Re: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2003-01-07 Thread Alex Zinin
RTG AD hat on Let me try to summarize this discussion. Part of the discussion was on draft-katz-yeung vs draft-srisuesh-ospf-te. Based on the following note from Suresh-- Make no mistake. The comments I sent to the IETF were solely in response to the IETF last call on the katz-yeung

Re: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-22 Thread Yakov Rekhter
Suresh, My recommendation against using this draft as the basis for building further TE-extensions to inter-area and mixed networks was in the context of OSPF Autonomous System (AS). I also mentioned the draft has scalability limitations in extending this to inter-area and mixed

RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-22 Thread Pyda Srisuresh
Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard Suresh, My recommendation against using this draft as the basis for building further TE-extensions to inter-area and mixed networks was in the context of OSPF Autonomous System (AS). I also mentioned the draft has scalability

RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-21 Thread Pyda Srisuresh
... snip My recommendation against using this draft as the basis for building further TE-extensions to inter-area and mixed networks was in the context of OSPF Autonomous System (AS). I also mentioned the draft has scalability limitations in extending this to inter-area and mixed

Re: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-19 Thread Yakov Rekhter
Suresh, As for the comment from John Moy (circa July 2001) about the availability of an inter-area OSPF draft, I do recall responding that the inter-area draft was assuming additive properties to TE metrics to advertise summary info. It is a mistake to assume that all TE metrics

RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-19 Thread Pyda Srisuresh
... snip Please look at draft-kompella-mpls-multiarea-te-03.txt, as at least some of the approaches described in that draft do *not* assume additive properties of TE metrics (and do not advertise summary info). Yakov. Yakov - You are right. The draft does talk about

Re: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-19 Thread Yakov Rekhter
Suresh, Please look at draft-kompella-mpls-multiarea-te-03.txt, as at least some of the approaches described in that draft do *not* assume additive properties of TE metrics (and do not advertise summary info). Yakov. Yakov - You are right. The draft does talk about

RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-18 Thread Rohit Dube
Suresh, You have brought up this issue on the ospf mailing list a couple of times and as such the topic has been addressed on the list. Here is pointer to an email from John Moy (circa July 2001) http://discuss.microsoft.com/SCRIPTS/WA-MSD.EXE?A2=ind0107L=OSPFD=0I=-3P=15162 and another more

Re: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-18 Thread Rohit Dube
On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 13:11:37 -0800 Pyda Srisuresh writes: =Rohit, = =My comments were made solely in reference to the =draft-katz-yeung draft; not in comparison to any specific draft, =as you might believe. [snip] Suresh, This is not the first time we are hearing from you on the topic. Your

Re: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-18 Thread Mike O'Dell
actually, in the IETF, having running code for *one* solution is a good way to demonstrate how much of the problem is understood, and if some of us had our way, it would be impossible to charter a Working Group *without* the understanding of the problem space being *at least* that good.

RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-18 Thread Pyda Srisuresh
O'Dell; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard actually, in the IETF, having running code for *one* solution is a good way to demonstrate how much of the problem is understood, and if some of us had our way, it would

RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-18 Thread Pyda Srisuresh
-Original Message- From: Kireeti Kompella [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 3:37 PM To: Pyda Srisuresh Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard On Wed, 18

RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-18 Thread Pyda Srisuresh
... snip As for the comment from John Moy (circa July 2001) about the availability of an inter-area OSPF draft, I do recall responding that the inter-area draft was assuming additive properties to TE metrics to advertise summary info. It is a mistake to assume that all TE metrics can be

RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-18 Thread Pyda Srisuresh
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kireeti Kompella Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 5:16 PM To: Pyda Srisuresh Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2

RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-17 Thread Pyda Srisuresh
]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard Suresh, You have brought up this issue on the ospf mailing list a couple of times and as such the topic has been addressed on the list. Here is pointer to an email from

Re: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-17 Thread Yakov Rekhter
Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard Suresh, You have brought up this issue on the ospf mailing list a couple of times and as such the topic has been addressed on the list. Here is pointer to an email from John Moy (circa July 2001) http

RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard

2002-12-16 Thread Pyda Srisuresh
; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Last Call: Traffic Engineering Extensions to OSPF Version 2 to Proposed Standard The draft is a solution to providing TE within an OSPF area. The draft has serious scalability limitations in extending this to inter-area and mixed networks (with TE and non-TE