Michael == Michael Richardson m...@sandelman.ca writes:
Michael but please, not Paris in the summer... nor Orlando on
Michael spring break)
ps: I'm really upset about Orlando in March. We did that in back in
December 1998, and it seemed a failure to me. Maybe this will be a
remote
On 08/09/2012 09:17 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
On Aug 9, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
offlist.
Not so much
Geoff,
Frankfurt is a city in Germany. I believe the IETF has never been there.
Two more tidbits:
- It's a huge aviation hub. There are direct flights from everywhere, similar
Ole == Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com writes:
Ole On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
So I'm confused... We're we talking about the possibility of
sticking to one European city, one north American city and one Asian
city and not picking various cities throughout the
Frankfurt as the Minneapolis of Europe: central, well-connected, cold,
unglamorous. -T
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Geoff Mulligan ge...@proto6.com wrote:
On 08/09/2012 09:17 AM, Yoav Nir wrote:
On Aug 9, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
offlist.
Not so much
Geoff,
Frankfurt
On Fri, 10 Aug 2012, Tim Bray wrote:
Frankfurt as the Minneapolis of Europe: central, well-connected, cold,
unglamorous. -T
Plus expensive and generally unsuitable for a meeting such as ours,
until the day Bit's and Bites turns into a 200,000 square foot
tradeshow, just kidding! :-)
I
Minneapolis is infinitely more glamorous Frankfurt ..
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Frankfurt as the Minneapolis of Europe: central, well-connected, cold,
unglamorous. -T
On 8/10/12 9:30 AM, Tim Bray wrote:
Frankfurt as the Minneapolis of Europe: central, well-connected, cold,
unglamorous. -T
Also home of the ECB and the Bundesbank which shows when you try to book
a large event into the big hotels near the hauptbahnhof.
The why have we not met in this large
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Frankfurt as the Minneapolis of Europe: central, well-connected, cold,
unglamorous. -T
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offlist.
Geoff,
Frankfurt is a city in Germany. I believe the IETF has never been there.
Other than those two tidbits about it, I've no idea what is to be
accomplished by someone's randomly throwing out the names of cities for
a discussion like this, especially when threads like these
On 8/8/2012 1:52 PM, John Levine wrote:
ps. btw, what is it that you think is different about this from the way
we /do/ discuss protocol specs?
People discussing venues are less willing to believe that anyone
else's experience or issues differ from their own.
A common problem in /any/
On 8/9/2012 8:07 AM, Dave Crocker wrote:
offlist.
weird. i really did prune the list. sorry.
but then, it's not as if my concern applies only to Geoff's note...
d/
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On Aug 9, 2012, at 6:07 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
offlist.
Not so much
Geoff,
Frankfurt is a city in Germany. I believe the IETF has never been there.
Two more tidbits:
- It's a huge aviation hub. There are direct flights from everywhere, similar
to CDG, Heathrow, or Schiphol
- Unlike
On Wed, 8 Aug 2012, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
So I'm confused... We're we talking about the possibility of
sticking to one European city, one north American city and one Asian
city and not picking various cities throughout the world.
Oh, I see. My reading was that we would focus on small
Frankfurt has been considered. Turns out that it is one of the most
expensive cities in all of Europe to have a conference. It is also
geared mostly towards large tradeshows. The Frankfurt Messe is about
the size of your average Olympic Park, just walking from the nearest
hotel to your venue
Besides where to to repeat, some new places to go that are cheaper and
closer to me (and possible to others, and perhaps not so bad to many).
Sao Paolo, Mexico City, Miami, Madrid, Cancun, Santiago, Panama, San
Juan
Regards,
as
On 9 Aug 2012, at 12:22, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
Hi,
For new how is Dubai or Barcelona?
Repeat: I would like Prague, Vancouver, Quebec!
Regards,
D
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:41 PM, Arturo Servin aser...@lacnic.net wrote:
Besides where to to repeat, some new places to go that are cheaper
and closer to me (and possible to others, and
Simon == Simon Perreault simon.perrea...@viagenie.ca writes:
Simon Le 2012-08-08 12:34, Geoff Mulligan a écrit :
I also would vote to return to Minneapolis again and again even
permanently.
Simon Does nobody care about going to new places so that new people
Simon are
Frankfurt?
On Aug 8, 2012, at 12:49 PM, Dave Crocker dcroc...@bbiw.net wrote:
On 8/8/2012 11:46 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
shockingly, amsterdam can't handle the ietf. wrong mix of
So I'm confused... We're we talking about the possibility of sticking to one
European city, one north American city and one Asian city and not picking
various cities throughout the world.
I was just suggesting picking -a- city in Europe that was not multiple hops
from most US hubs. Prague,
So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
On Aug 7, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com wrote:
You said about Prague:
...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?
+1
Regards,
as
On 8 Aug 2012, at 16:40, Michael Richardson wrote:
Let's innovate for that third meeting, realizing that we do not yet
have a preferred place in Asia, or any place in Africa or South America,
but maybe we should.
On Aug 8, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Michael Richardson wrote:
Simon Does nobody care about going to new places so that new people
Simon are exposed to the IETF and may start getting involved?
Simon We've seen this positive effect many times when we went
Simon outside our comfort
On 8/9/2012 11:37 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
Frankfurt is a city in Germany. I believe the IETF has never been
...
I've found it relatively inexpensive, clean and very easy to get to.
Ole's comment was reflecting secretariat and IAOC research.
Individual experience can be very misleading
I haven't been at any IETF recently, but from my previous
experience, I agree with several commenters about these
cities:
* MINNEAPOLIS consistently works well for IETF meetings.
* VANCOUVER consistently works well for IETF meetings.
* DUBLIN has good air transport links, and would have
--On Thursday, August 09, 2012 11:55 -0700 Dave Crocker
dcroc...@bbiw.net wrote:
This is why I threw out a not so random city name -
Frankfurt.
Indeed, random was the wrong word. That word is often used
incorrectly. The correct word is arbitrary.
It is frankly entirely arbitrary to
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So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette
Geoff Mulligan; Ole Jacobsen
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Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Why not consider Istanbul? It's another nice harbor city.
Has a series of world class hotels like Grand Hyatt, Hilton,
InterContinental, Radisson Blu
Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management
granularity)
Why not consider Istanbul? It's another nice harbor city.
Has a series of world class hotels like Grand Hyatt, Hilton,
InterContinental, Radisson Blu but also less expensive hotels,
close to each other.
Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management
granularity)
Why not consider Istanbul? It's another nice harbor city.
Has a series of world class hotels like Grand Hyatt, Hilton,
InterContinental, Radisson Blu but also less expensive hotels,
close to each other.
On 8/9/12 2:42 PM, John C Klensin wrote:
Let me say that a different way. We sometimes have to tolerate
countries, like the US, who a fussy about visas or immigration
procedures for people coming from specific other countries. I
wish we didn't. But, as soon as a country says if you have a
Yes, and sadly that rules out really good venues such as Kuala
Lumpur, quite possibly the least expensive (hotel wise) suitable
location in Asia.
The IAOC researched this recently, quite thoroughly; Ole and I are both
biased towards wanting it. (I lived there for a year.)
This is worth
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Yes, and sadly that rules out really good venues such as Kuala Lumpur,
quite possibly
the least expensive (hotel wise) suitable location in Asia.
Ole J. Jacobsen
Editor Publisher
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We HAVE a requirements document.
Ole
On Thu, 9 Aug 2012, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
Agreed.
Dare I say that we need a requirements document? ;-)
Peter
Peter Saint-Andre
https://stpeter.im/
On 8/9/12 3:31 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
We HAVE a requirements document.
Aha, so it's just that people at the mic haven't read the draft. That
never happens at one of our meetings, does it? ;-)
Unfortunately, I can't seem to find this requirements document in the
datatracker...
Peter
--
This is worth mentioning because the MY formal rule is not strict
prohibition but a formal visa process that is so onerous as to equate to
a prohibition.
Wouldn't that rule out the United States? It is my impression that
getting a US visa for someone with a Cuban or Iranian passport is
Subject: Re: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
downtown. Same for
Vienna.
Steve
On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Tim Chown wrote:
Hi,
My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and
Vancouver
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The Orlando airport is a nightmare almost any time and will be even worse
during this upcoming IETF. When I had my FlyClear card it was the only airport
where I ever felt that it was necessary.
Avoiding Orlando during the many weeks a spring break would have been good.
Geoff
On Aug 6,
I liked the hotel and prague was wonderful, but it didn't seem easy to get to
cheaply from the US.
Geoff
On Aug 6, 2012, at 6:22 PM, Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org wrote:
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:41, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
If we were to choose one place in the U.S. to
Le 2012-08-08 12:34, Geoff Mulligan a écrit :
I also would vote to return to Minneapolis again and again even permanently.
Does nobody care about going to new places so that new people are
exposed to the IETF and may start getting involved?
We've seen this positive effect many times when we
Mileage varies.
For me it was the shortest and cheapest flight of any IETF meeting I have
attended.
Yoav
On Aug 8, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
I liked the hotel and prague was wonderful, but it didn't seem easy to get to
cheaply from the US.
Geoff
On Aug 6, 2012, at
+1
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Mileage varies
On 8/8/12 12:06 PM, Yoav Nir wrote:
Mileage varies.
For me it was the shortest and cheapest flight of any IETF meeting I have
attended.
If we discussed protocols the way we discuss venue sites, all would be
lost. Oh, this feature works great for me, therefore let's include it
in the spec.
On 8/8/2012 11:18 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
Perhaps we might consider ending these interminable venue discussions
and just complain three times a year when we visit a place that the IAOC
has selected?
now i'm completely confused.
i thought that that was/is exactly what's being done...
On 8/8/2012 11:46 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote:
So then why not consider, London, Paris (not the Concorde Lafayette),
Frankfurt, Amsterdam?
shockingly, amsterdam can't handle the ietf. wrong mix of resources.
really.
paris appears to have broad crime and work-ethic patterns that also are
Geoff,
What are you talking about? Of course we are considering all of
those places. We are going to London in 2014 for example, we went to
Paris this year. But, like with all popular places, finding venues
available for OUR dates is not easy. Add to that the costs and you
will understand
Hi Peter,
At 11:18 08-08-2012, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
If we discussed protocols the way we discuss venue sites, all would be
lost. Oh, this feature works great for me, therefore let's include it
in the spec.
That's how protocols are discussed. :-)
Perhaps we might consider ending these
ps. btw, what is it that you think is different about this from the way
we /do/ discuss protocol specs?
People discussing venues are less willing to believe that anyone
else's experience or issues differ from their own.
R's,
John
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Mileage varies.
For me it was the shortest and cheapest flight of any
On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 12:18 -0600, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
On 8/8/12 12:06 PM, Yoav Nir wrote:
Mileage varies.
For me it was the shortest and cheapest flight of any IETF meeting I have
attended.
If we discussed protocols the way we discuss venue sites, all would be
lost. Oh, this
Simon Perreault wrote:
Le 2012-08-08 12:34, Geoff Mulligan a écrit :
I also would vote to return to Minneapolis again and again even
permanently.
Does nobody care about going to new places so that new people are
exposed to the IETF and may start getting involved?
We've seen this positive
No more so than Orlando where we are going after Atlanta, in my
opinion. There exists a whole set of requirements ranging from
travel considerations, costs, suitable venue, hotels, and nearby
environment to host and sponsorship availability. I see no reason
why Miami would be automatically
+1 to both of Carsten's suggestions.
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Carsten Bormann c...@tzi.org wrote:
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:41, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
If we were to choose one place in the U.S. to meet, Minneapolis is the best
choice IMHO.
+1 a lot.
(If we indeed
From: John Levine [jo...@taugh.com]
It would have cost me more than twice as much as it did to fly to
Beijing, for example, if I had taken a direct flight from DFW
That's very odd. I see lots of fares from DFW to YVR from Saturday to
Saturday via Houston or Denver for in upcoming weeks
Dear colleagues,
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:42:10AM -0400, Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote:
I expect that a chunk of the variance hinges on the qualifier
While the vagaries of air transport costs fascinate me, I'm not sure
how the question of the cost of one route at one time for one person
is
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Dear colleagues,
On Tue, Aug 07, 2012 at 10:42:10AM -0400, Worley, Dale R
I'd strongly prefer the IETF to focus on going to places where we get
work done and where costs can be controlled.
I'd prefer to avoid tourist destinations to some extent even if they are
not more expensive, but definitely if they are.
I want to present a professional image to my clients and I
17:28:33
To: ext Andrew Sullivana...@anvilwalrusden.com; ietf@ietf.org
Subject: RE: So, where to repeat? (was: Re: management granularity)
Why the survey should limit it to the last five meetings...
In the long history we experienced additional good places
So maybe the survey should be more
BTW, if anyone finds the venue question extremely compelling / interesting
-- consider seeking a spot on the IAOC during the next nominating period.
- Jason
BTW, if anyone finds the venue question extremely compelling / interesting
-- consider seeking a spot on the IAOC during the next nominating period.
Yes, please do. Frankly, I'd prefer there be competition; it creates
healthy debate within nomcom and might even improve community awareness
Hi,
My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and Vancouver. Great
meeting venues, with everything you need nearby.
My least favoured venues have been Dublin, Vienna and Maastricht.
Of course, you have to experiment to find good repeat venues...
Tim
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been downtown. Same
for Vienna.
Steve
On Aug 7, 2012, at 5:55 PM, Tim Chown wrote:
Hi,
My top three repeat venues would be Prague, Minneapolis and Vancouver. Great
meeting venues, with everything you need nearby.
My least
On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote:
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been downtown.
Same for Vienna.
Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue, not a city. Dublin is a
great city. An out of town golf resort is not a great venue.
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Tim Chown wrote:
On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote:
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
downtown. Same for Vienna.
Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a venue, not a city.
Dublin is a great city. An
or getting the work done.
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I'll bet Dublin
On 08/08/2012 12:30 AM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Tim Chown wrote:
On 7 Aug 2012, at 23:01, Steve Crocker st...@shinkuro.com wrote:
I'll bet Dublin would be rated higher if the meetings had been
downtown. Same for Vienna.
Quite possibly, but a rating is based on a
So I agree with that. If a feasible venue actually in Dublin
turns up I'll be sure to let Ray/IAOC/site-visit folks know.
The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
MAAWG met there in 2007 and it worked well for us, although that was
a somewhat smaller meeting.
R's,
On 8/7/2012 5:29 PM, John Levine wrote:
So I agree with that. If a feasible venue actually in Dublin
turns up I'll be sure to let Ray/IAOC/site-visit folks know.
The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
Yeah, it's exactly that easy to choose a venue. A single
On 8/7/2012 4:34 PM, Richard Shockey wrote:
+1 Prague was excellent .. I actually liked Quebec City but connections
were awful.
I haven't seen anyone post negative comments about Prague in this
thread. By way of probing, I'll ask for them. For example, do folks
who live outside of that
On 8/7/12 6:24 PM, Dave Crocker wrote:
I haven't seen anyone post negative comments about Prague in this
thread. By way of probing, I'll ask for them. For example, do folks
who live outside of that region not care about the additional hop of
travel to get to it?
It was over 24 hours of
You said about Prague:
...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?
This gets cited often, and I don't really understand why. There are
VERY few European cities that are reachable directly from the US (or
Asia for that matter). Most
On 8/7/2012 7:55 PM, Ole Jacobsen wrote:
You said about Prague:
...[do] folks who live outside of that region not care about the
additional hop of travel to get to it?
This gets cited often, and I don't really understand why. There are
VERY few European cities that are reachable directly
On Tue, 7 Aug 2012, Dave Crocker wrote:
Most require transiting some kind of major hub (London, Paris,
Frankfurt, Amsterdam to name a few).
So, those hubs are reachable directly from the US and Asia, aren't they?
Yes, they are, and we have met in Paris twice and London once, will
meet
The Burlington hotel claims that they can host a 1500 person meeting.
Yeah, it's exactly that easy to choose a venue. A single number does it.[1]
not.
Of course. MAAWG has been there so we know it's not a dump, it's
downtown, they can deal with nerds with lots of computers who demand
coffee
If we restrict European cities to the ones with direct flight
connections from other continents, we're really limiting the choices.
For some of us, if we limit our choices to places with direct flights,
that means Newark, Philadelphia, or Detroit. Count your blessings.
We can argue about
Dublin panned? I thought it was one of the best venues and locations of the
last meetings.
What about Italy or Spain? I've never heard about an IETF in Italy. I'm ok with
meetings outside Italy since i like traveling very much, but i was wondering
why it has never been taken into account in
Oslo?
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Dublin panned? I thought
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Dublin's problem was that the venue was isolated from the city. This has also
On 8/6/12 5:23 AM, Daniele Ceccarelli wrote:
Dublin panned? I thought it was one of the best venues and locations of the
last meetings.
The meeting wasn't in Dublin. There are no venues attached to or
adjacent to suitable hotels large enough to do a plenary in Dublin.
Regarding the venue
Daniele,
I can almost guarantee that if you help us find a suitable venue and
host we'll be coming to Italy. So far we haven't found either, but
that can be said about a lot of places...
Ole
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This appears to be turning into a survey. My views are no doubt colored
by it being difficult, expensive, and slow to get anywhere (I live near
Fairbanks, AK) so travel doesn't figure very prominently into how I
feel about various venues. But even if it did ... I go to IETF
meetings to get
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
feel about various venues. But even if it did ... I go to IETF
meetings to get work done, and it's been easier some places than others.
Minneapolis has consistently had outstanding meeting facilities, and
I thought
From central Europe perspective - price for airline ticket to Vancouver in
summer is rocket expensive. I can fly to united states for half price.
So cheap food cant beat more than $1.000 extra fee paid to airline.
It does not mean YVR is a bad place, but I'd recommend to be carefull when
On Mon, Aug 06, 2012 at 01:44:32PM -0400, Scott Brim wrote:
On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
and Vancouver have stood out. But still, the only really serious
consideration for me is whether or not the facilities make it easier
to get done the
I made always good experiences with meeting venues in the downtown of hub
cities with good flight connections.
As a European for me the east coast of North America is better than the west
coast.
So far my experience was very good with following meeting locations and would
agree for a
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To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK); Daniele Ceccarelli; Andrew Sullivan;
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Subject: RE: So, where to repeat
I've never been to an IETF meeting where the plane fare has exceeded the
hotel cost for a week.
note: I pay my own way, and make all my own arrangements.
The only meetings where my hotel costs exceeded my transporation costs
were the Montreal IETFs (I live in Ottawa). When I've flown I have
+1
On Aug 6, 2012, at 4:32 PM, Richard Shockey wrote:
[RS ] +1 and no employer ever argued that going to Minneapolis was a
boondoggle. The Hilton in Minneapolis of all the IETF meetings I’ve
attended has the most optimal layout of meeting rooms etc.
If we were to choose one place in
On Aug 6, 2012, at 16:41, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote:
If we were to choose one place in the U.S. to meet, Minneapolis is the best
choice IMHO.
+1 a lot.
(If we indeed have to choose the US.)
Great facility to get work done, good food, reasonable flights.
And add Prague as
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