Re: respect privacy please !

2004-05-21 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
(Finally back after a prolonged sabbatical - last few months have been too weird/hectic for me to do much of anything IETF-related).. On Fri, 21 May 2004 15:55:50 BST, Tim Chown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 12:05:00AM +1000, grenville armitage wrote: > > > > This could be

Re: spoofing email addresses

2004-05-24 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 24 May 2004 10:18:28 BST, Christian de Larrinaga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I'm hoping that spam filters will detect the inconsistent header information > and not blacklist me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] but I'm not hopeful. In fact, there isn't any sane way to detect "inconsistent" header inf

Re: spoofing email addresses

2004-05-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 26 May 2004 15:00:00 MDT, Vernon Schryver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > I don't see any of those proposals and their competitors as sane. Oh, I wasn't addressing whether the proposals were workable, merely listing proposals motivated by the fact that verifying the legitimacy of a sending ma

Re: spoofing email addresses

2004-05-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 27 May 2004 18:23:17 +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum said: > There is also the possibility of blacklisting known bad credentials. Anybody who's had to get themselves out of 3,000 private blacklists, and anybody who's had to fight with places that were blackholing the 69/8 address space, knows

Re: STD series of documents

2004-06-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 11:04:06 PDT, Joe Touch said: > STD-5 is a nice choice - it actually refers to 6 different RFCs. > > So which one redirects to STD005.txt, and what is in it? > > (To see this noted in the RFCs themselves, see STD-62, which refers to a > set of 8 different RFCs.) > > And wha

Re: Hi

2004-06-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 07 Jun 2004 12:43:50 CDT, Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > --ccjixvqhktnezunmahim > Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > > OK, so it's content-free. At least it's buzzword-free too. ;) Question - the Received: headers in

Re: Problem of blocking ICMP packets

2004-06-16 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:23:44 EDT, Mike S said: > Any router configured to block ICMP packets is, quite simply, > in violation of RFC792 (STD5), which clearly states "ICMP is actually > an integral part of IP, and must be implemented by every IP module." > For a router, "implemented" means forwar

Re: Problem of blocking ICMP packets

2004-06-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 11:00:29 PDT, Sally Floyd said: > to the browser. Presumeably if the web server wanted to use something > like QuickStart, it could have the firewall configured to allow the > IP QuickStart Option not to be blocked on the outgoing SYN packet? Given the number of times we've h

Re: Response to complaint from Dean Anderson (fwd)

2004-06-22 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 18:43:23 EDT, Dean Anderson said: > Mr. Vixie's obvious malice for Av8 Internet is plain to see, As is the fact that the feelings appear to be mutual > services to customers. However, it is unclear what Mr. Vixie's expertise > is actually in, other than name-calling, an

Re: What exactly is an internet (service) provider?

2004-06-22 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 11:11:25 +0900, Masataka Ohta said: > With your motivation explained and with your three new categories, > all of which are unrelated to telecommunication providers but > related to hotels, I think I can understand your fundamental > mistake. More generally, Internet access is

Re: What exactly is an internet (service) provider?

2004-06-24 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:39:07 +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum said: > But that's just a detail. The real difference is that you can buy a car > anywhere on the landmass of your choice and then bring it to whereever > you want to use it on that same landmass. With IP service, you're > limited to what

Re: Defining Internet services/service levels?

2004-06-24 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:29:37 +0200, Hadmut Danisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > OK, there was some discussion about different > levels of Internet services and categories. > > So should the IETF publish a definition? There's discussion in progress off-list. The problem is that although it's pro

Re: copyright requirements clarification - please

2004-06-24 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:46:20 EDT, Sal Mangiapane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > 5.4. Copyright Notice (required for all IETF Documents) > "Copyright (C) The Internet Society (year). This document is > subject to the rights, licenses and restrictions contained in BCP > 78, and ex

Re: Intellectual property clarification - please

2004-06-24 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:56:46 EDT, Sal Mangiapane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Is it the intention to always include the IPR statement and the RFC > Editor will only "ensure" it when an IPR disclosure has been made? I read it as "If we are aware of an IPR claim or disclosure, the RFC Editor will i

Re: Is the IANA a function performed by ICANN ?

2004-06-25 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 22:05:36 +0200, "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > "the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority (IANA) is a function performed by > ICANN". > http://www.iana.org/procedures/delegation-data.html > grounds that it may not be still here in two years. The majority of

Re: Email account utilization warning.

2004-07-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 08:10:57 PDT, Michel Py <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Tim Chown > > Oh, you can filter out any sender easily enough. The snag > > is you see all the replies people send to their mailings :( > > Indeed. Procmail filtering on 'From:|To:|cc:' is easy enough. There's probably a

Re: Email account utilization warning.

2004-07-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 12:38:01 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled because of unauthorized access. Our virus scanners are still nailing some 30K Bagles a week. Are there really people net.clued enough to be subscribed to the IETF list, but with so few

Re: Central registries (was RE: Chinese IPv9)

2004-07-20 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:28:37 EDT, Michael Richardson said: > Even if they do not result in efficiencies in the routing table, I > think they would go a long way to making people happy. If you want to make people happy by promising technically infeasible solutions, I suggest a career in politics

Re: IETF60: time needed for check-in at San Diego?

2004-07-22 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 18:41:53 EDT, shogunx said: > How about a city in the US which agrees to not engage in such > behavior, and has an international airport, and several private airports? The cities aren't given a choice in the matter - some bright bulb in the federal bureaucracy decided that fin

Re: IETF60: time needed for check-in at San Diego?

2004-07-22 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:22:54 EDT, shogunx said: > And if we bring suit against this obvious invasion of privacy, It's been tried. http://freetotravel.org/ pgpi3AgZS6a1Q.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://ww

Re: Naming convention for a WG I-D that returns to

2004-08-03 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 09:10:24 EDT, Sal Mangiapane said: > > Thank you. I was also looking for an RFC - if any -which documents why. > > > There is RFC3552 which is the Security Considerations Best Practices but > it doesn't answer the WHY question. At the risk of stating the obvious Anybody

Re: [¯f¬rĵ§i](no subject)

2004-08-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 06:40:30 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > -- > Warning: Message delivery wasn't performed. > > Reason: Our virus scanner detected very suspicious code in > the attachment of a mail addressed to a user of our sy

Re: YATS? Re: T-shirts, and some suggestions for future ietf meetings

2004-08-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 21:27:52 EDT, Bill Sommerfeld said: > Huh? There have been (small numbers of) clued people wearing collars > and ties at just about every IETF I've attended.. And I'm willing to bet that at least some subset of the clued-collar-tie-IETF group is actually a clued-tshirt-corpora

Re: Last Call: 'The APPLICATION/MBOX Media-Type' to Proposed Standard

2004-08-13 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:18:19 EDT, Tony Hansen said: > The information about the mbox format being anecdotally defined is > incorrect. The mbox format has traditionally been documented in the > binmail(1) or mail.local(8) man pages (BSD UNIX derivatives) or mail(1) > man page (UNIX System 3/5/III

Re: Last Call: 'The APPLICATION/MBOX Media-Type' to Proposed Standard

2004-08-17 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 22:47:52 EDT, Tony Hansen said: > The claim in Appendix A is that there were no authoritative sources of > documentation for the mbox formats and otherwise it's "only documented > in anecdotal form". I'm sorry, but the the definitions ARE there, and > ARE almost always autho

Re: Copying conditions

2004-10-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 07:30:24 EDT, scott bradner said: > there seems to be an assertion of evil intent here that is not the case The problem isn't one of current evil intent, the problem is that there's a hole in the tent that an evilly-intented camel could get far more than just its nose through.

Re: A new technique to anti spam

2004-10-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:52:26 +0800, =?gb2312?B?dGVzdA==?= said: > 3.The authority database guarantee all \"Email-content servers\" are related with > legal ESPs. This is somewhere between "highly unlikely" and "totally unworkable". Problems: 1) Who controls the authority database? Why should I

Re: Call for Consensus: IETF Administrative Restructuring

2004-10-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:40:39 +0200, Harald Tveit Alvestrand said: > I do sympathize somewhat with the people who just want "someone to take > care of this" and choose not to comment in detail on the document - we have > to make sure they know what's going on, but we cannot force anyone to > act

Re: Stepping down as IETF chair in March - & - RE: A personal take on WG's priorities..

2004-11-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 12:38:21 PST, Tony Hain said: > all space currently considered lost. Given that IANA allocated 9 /8's over a > 6 month period this year, coupled with the fact that only 78 /8's remain in > the useful part of the pool (ie: 52 month burn out), They said that just before CIDR hap

Re: Stepping down as IETF chair in March - & - RE: A personal take on WG's priorities..

2004-11-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 22:48:16 +0100, Gert Doering said: > Hi, > > On Fri, Nov 05, 2004 at 04:31:46PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So 40% isn't even *allocated* yet (saying that we're probably burning /8's > > faster than needed, but only 36% of the available space is actually routed. > > >

Re: [IETF61] no IPv6?

2004-11-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:23:30 EST, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ said: > And trying to be positive, I will strongly suggest that the next IETF we > have a new type of training: "How to deploy IPv6 in your network". This seems more appropriate for a NANOG tutorial, or many other places/times, than an IETF m

Re: IPv6 is being deployed !

2004-11-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 08:39:44 EST, Stephane Bortzmeyer said: > No, in one location :-) > http://www.space.net/~gert/RIPE/ipv6-filters.html Yes, but didn't you see the "Beware of Leopard" sign on the way down the stairs? ;) pgp48g7cHZcQv.pgp Description: PGP signature ___

Re: Air condition ...

2004-11-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 09:34:44 PST, Tim Bray said: > > On Nov 12, 2004, at 7:51 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > > Believe me, I know the difference between a big rat and a squirrel > > Everybody knows there are lots of rats in Washington, as in any capital > city. -T Are there *any* cities *

Re: Yahoo is not using ESMTP

2004-11-15 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 06:40:35 EST, Fred Baker said: > That is the ISP's choice. As a percentage of total volume, SMTP/ESMTP is a > small proportion of total traffic, or so please I can read sample > measurements (like > http://www.caida.org/dynamic/analysis/workload/sdnap/0_0_/ts_top_n_app_bytes

Re: How the IPnG effort was started

2004-11-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:02:18 GMT, Paul Vixie said: > given the relative ease of acquiring v6 address space and the relative > ease of deploying v4+v6 end hosts and either v4+v6 campuses or v6 tunnels > in v4 campuses, there is no incentive to do nat/v4 any more, and precious > little incentive to

Re: How the IPnG effort was started

2004-11-19 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 19:10:33 +0100, Kurt Erik Lindqvist said: > I have long thought that the knowledge of having long (life-long) > persistent, well-spread unique personal identifiers are bad was general > knowledge. Then again, I guess the US biometric stuff has proven me > wrong on that alrea

Re: Why people by NATs

2004-11-23 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 13:44:30 +0100, Jeroen Massar said: > Ack, nicely turn that NAT box into a real router by flashing it with a > This is unfortunately not something that most people dare to do. Then > again, I know that quite a lot of people 'upgraded' their SpeedTouch Argh. Flashing it with a

Re: How the IPnG effort was started

2004-11-23 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 11:46:23 +1200, Franck Martin said: > Well, in most Pacific Islands, there is only one operator who is nearly > fully owned by the government, so the words "sole ISP" and "country" can > be interchanged. The countries there are islands, physically and virtually. While waitin

Re: AdminRest: IASA BCP: Finances and Accounting - principles

2004-11-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 26 Nov 2004 19:16:58 EST, Sam Hartman said: > Personally, I do believe that stating some details would help me > evaluate whether IASA is seperable and would require the IETF's > consent in order to change the details. I do think that requiring > IASA keep separate bank accounts is probab

Re: Why people by NATs

2004-11-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 27 Nov 2004 02:33:54 +0100, "JFC (Jefsey) Morfin" said: > But why to spend time and money and to take risks to change something which > is not broken. IPv6 has no problem in keeping the same host numbers if the > used addressing plan uses a numbering scheme designed with that purpose in

Re: Suggest new mailing list for IASA stuff

2004-12-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 09 Dec 2004 11:41:24 EST, Michael StJohns said: > The IASA, AdminRest et al discussions appear to be proceeding well, but > perhaps it might make sense to craft a mailing list specifically for those > discussions ? On the one hand, part of me says "Amen, this stuff makes my brain hurt".

Re: New Last Call: 'Tags for Identifying Languages' to BCP

2004-12-10 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 14:46:52 EST, Bruce Lilly said: > Accessibility has not been a problem for this implementor (who, > incidentally, was unaware of this draft until the New > Last Call). ISO 639 language code lists are readily available in > HTML-ized English and French via > http://www.lo

Re: Want to know about antispam

2004-12-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 16:04:36 PST, Asif Pathan said: >I want to know that is it possible to transfer the fingerprint > (converted) coding over net? If yes then which protocol we use if no then why? http://www.rhyolite.com/anti-spam/dcc/ describes one method in common use. You might also

Re: draft-phillips-langtags-08, process, sp ecifications, "stability", and extensions

2005-01-10 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 11:33:54 GMT, Misha Wolf said: > I find statements such as this mind-boggling. Please explain what you > mean by "much support". There have been at least as many individuals > writing mails in favour of the document as against it. Furthermore, > it has been made clear tha

Re: new.net (was: Root Server DDoS Attack: What The Media Did Not Tell You)

2002-12-01 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
#x27;s amazing that dancing bear can dance at all... -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech msg09538/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Clarification needed

2002-12-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
essed header*. The hint is "since the output packet can be larger than the input packet". Contemplate the algorithm, and see if you can see what states will cause the 120 byte header to require 128 bytes after "compression". -- Valdis Kletn

Re: new.net (was: Root Server DDoS Attack: What The Media Did Not Tell You)

2002-12-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
(probably off topic here) include lower prices, breaking of a cartel. Notice that you don't get the lower prices and cartel breaking by increasing the number of domains, you get it by increasing the number of registrars. -- Valdis Kletnieks

Re: new.net (was: Root Server DDoS Attack: What The Media Did Not Tell You)

2002-12-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 13:44:04 EST, "Michael Froomkin - U.Miami School of Law" said: > I dispute the accuracy of this assertion below (unless "registrars" is a > typo for "registries" in which case we agree totally and you can ignore > what follows): I meant registries, and we *are* in agreement. ;)

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 08:28:57 PST, "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" said: > The only way to resolve this issue properly would be to require every > submission to an IETF mailing list to be cryptographically signed (PGP > or S/MIME), to require the subscribers to register their signing key and > to then filt

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
t's easier and cheaper to just settle rather than take it to court. -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech msg09572/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
ng the entire IETF gets less than a tenth of a customer. But they got a tenth of a customer for *ONE* piece of outbound mail. Which is an extraordinary response rate. -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech msg09577/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-02 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:33:16 PST, "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" said: > OCSP scales fine for revocation checking. We can use the same > platform that currently serves 6 billion DNS queries a day. The fact that OCSP scales fine for revocation checking doesn't mean that you have a system that scales fine

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
ditional info" field then saves you another resource hit when an OCSP query gets made. -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech msg09608/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Operational issues of protocols and invalid data

2002-12-04 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
"Informational". -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech msg09612/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: namedroppers mismanagement: it never ends

2002-12-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:03:43 GMT, Lloyd Wood said: > Bush and Bernstein are both the kind of people who wish to rearrange > the world entirely to their own satisfaction. How unfortunate that > they must share that world. It would be a lot simpler if one or both of them qualified as a net.loon (we'

Re: new.net (was: Root Server DDoS Attack: What The Media Did Not Tell You)

2002-12-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 04 Dec 2002 18:54:14 PST, Randy Bush <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > From: Paul Vixie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> COM is a failed experiment and needs to be closed and/or eliminated. > > i thought i'd already said that. yes, i did. in november, 1995. > > h

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:34:14 PST, "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" said: > The problem here is that having Randy Bush moderate is > not a scalable solution to the problems of Spam in general. We could clone him, but that's probably not scalable either msg09660/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signatur

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
the DNS, you have to do a compute-intensive proof. What would people think of that idea? -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech msg09679/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
upgraded software-wise to support a scheme, even if it takes zero additional CPU? I strongly suspect that the *big* issue in getting said box to play nice won't be the CPU, it will be trying to find a way to upgrade whatever creeping-horror bletchware mailer they're using on Windows 3

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
100% perfect anti-spam solution. Like most societal ills, if we can fix 98% of it, we can move on. -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech msg09684/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
server "accept any mail that presents a token that hashes to ", where I provide a test that doesn't provide any information regarding the sender. Why? Because I don't trust my government to resist the temptation. (Nor do I trust any OTHER national goverment, for that matter).

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 00:47:45 EST, Bill Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > How about passing a law that makes eveyone install a BIOS patch to block out > spam. ;-) There exist systems that don't have a BIOS. ;) (Making this reply mostly because there's been serious DRM proposals that have thi

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
ation scheme that doesn't imply any authentication? -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech msg09712/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-09 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:47:58 EST, Edward Lewis said: > >Does anybody have a reference on an authorization scheme that > >doesn't imply any authentication? > > World readable files. We know how to do that already ;) I was thinking more along the lines of a zero-knowledge proof or something like

Re: namedroppers, continued

2002-12-10 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 08:57:59 EST, "Gray, Eric" said: > On top of that, some spammers are actually breaking the law. > Gotten any South African "my late died and left me ..." > mail lately? Those people belong in jail... Or this: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20021209

Re: a personal opinion on what to do about the sub-ip area

2002-12-10 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:34:10 EST, Eric Rosen said: > Naturally every special interest group claims to be the defender of the > values of the larger community. Since there is no way to determine > objectively what is or is not in the "larger community's" interest, a > properly

Re: DNSEXT WGLC Summary: AXFR clarify

2002-12-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
(*) I'll let wiser people than I decide if there should be such a section in a son-of-2026 -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech msg09798/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: DNSEXT WGLC Summary: AXFR clarify

2002-12-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 18 Dec 2002 14:14:16 PST, Bill Strahm said: > I hope EVERYONE deeply involved in a WG documentation process has deep > DEEP conflict of interest problems. I mean if we are not working on the > things we are documenting, how will we know if they work or not. Quite true. And I believe I sai

Re: DNSEXT WGLC Summary: AXFR clarify

2002-12-23 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 03:57:59 GMT, Paul Vixie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > What if (as in this case) it was in the past, and Olafur had no current > or prospective income riding on BIND9, but he did once work for a company > who did some subcontract work related to BIND9? Would he still be tainted

Re: Status of draft-christey-wysopal-vuln-disclosure-00.txt

2002-12-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
ernet Security in hopes that they'll either pick it up or know who should be doing it. -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech msg09856/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Status of draft-christey-wysopal-vuln-disclosure-00.txt

2002-12-26 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 20:35:34 +0100, Florian Weimer said: > There was quite a bit rejection, and some very profound criticism (the > killer argument, IMHO, is that a large part of the industry does not > accept _any_ disclosure at all). Wander over to NANOG - a large(*) part of the ISP industry do

Re: Fw: namedroppers, continued (flamed in less than an hour. figures)

2003-01-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 23:10:56 EST, Melinda Shore said: > I'm not sure which is more impressive - that you chose to > forward private email to several mailing lists, or that you > chose to insult someone by referring to him as a woman. Could be worse. We've had no complaints from any of the robot

Re: namedroppers, continued (flamed in less than an hour. figure s)

2003-01-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
provide the original citation for the statement (similar to): "The flame you are complaining about did not cast any aspersion on your parentage or dietary preferences, and as such was mild by IETF standards"? -- Valdis Kletnieks

Re: namedroppers, continued

2003-01-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 19:04:41 EST, Doug said: > It seems to me if the mail server administrators would make the decision to > require people that send emails from their servers to log into a valid Your proposal would fix the problem, but end up tossing a large quantity of babies out with the bathw

Re: Fw: namedroppers, continued (flamed in less than an hour. fig ures)

2003-01-05 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 06 Jan 2003 16:56:20 +1200, Franck Martin said: > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Could be worse. We've had no complaints from any of the robotic or > > space-alien intelligences about the human-centric language > > used on this list

Re: namedroppers, continued

2003-01-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
hemes are *NOT* a long-term solution - if any of those packages becomes widespread enough to actually impact the spam problem, the spammers will have a little Perl program scanning the bounces and canning the "yes I'm not a spammer" responses. --

Re: namedroppers, continued

2003-01-06 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
erent addresses. And no, we won't change this unless you first manage to get hotmail.com and aol.com to not use different inbound and outbound addresses first, as they do the same thing for the same reasons. -- Valdis Kletni

Re: namedroppers, continued

2003-01-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 06 Jan 2003 18:08:44 EST, Doug said: > You can tell the difference between 1, 2, and 3 because they all have > a different DNS/IP footprint. They do? Are you sure of this? I'll give you a hint - if you're outside the two /16's of our network, and you get an inbound SMTP connection from us

Re: namedroppers, continued

2003-01-07 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
to be relatively simple to find - it has to be simple enough that even a victim who doesn't have enough kloo to stop to wonder why the "confidential and private" Nigerian scam arrived via spammage can figure out how to get aboard -- Valdis Kletnieks

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2003-01-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 08 Jan 2003 01:46:50 EST, Bill Cunningham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Who does the real IE work in the Internet world? Is it the IESG or IAB? That's what working groups are for. > Seems like there's more arguing on this list than anything else. You haven't been here long, have you? ;)

Re: Searching for depressing moments of Internet history.....

2003-01-13 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 19:51:51 GMT, Lloyd Wood said: > Simon Spero wrote: > > > > I believe Kapor's law was first stated at the January '92 Usenix (The > > first use for any new communications technology is sex). > > any SUCCESSFUL communications technology, surely? This must mean that 3G phones ar

Re: Dan Berrnstein deserves what he gets. FW: qsecretary notice

2003-01-22 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:30:18 PST, "Hallam-Baker, Phillip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > [*] Its only an assistant professorship that by European lights > only ranks him as a mere lecturer. The fact that he has to refer And by common US practice, he has a PhD and is accorded the title Doctor. At th

Re: Last Call: CR-LDP Extensions for ASON to Informational

2003-01-23 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
ion of non-canonical versions that possibly have errata in them. If I create a derivative work by adding hyperlinks and the like, and accidentally change a 3 to a 4 or something like that, all sorts of mischief will result -- Valdis Kletnieks

Re: Last Call: CR-LDP Extensions for ASON to Informational

2003-01-23 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
ural difference that lead to MIME and X.400..... -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer Virginia Tech msg10069/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: WG Review: Enhancements to Internet email to support diverse service environments (lemonade)

2003-01-30 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 09:29:13 +1030, Andrew Rutherford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Voice Mail. A number of ISDN access devices without significant local > storage are capable of converting an incoming call to an SMTP stream > on the fly and spooling it to a mail server. Pretty much everyone who >

Re: movies vs chat logs

2003-02-14 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:56:12 GMT, Lloyd Wood said: > You fail to grasp the fundamentally non-participatory role of the > non-participant. And the non-participants are there why, exactly? (Note that I'm basically clueless on this one - there's been a few IETFs that have actually been plausible for

Re: axfr-clarify's fraudulent claims of consensus

2003-02-14 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
mentations were non-conforming to THAT too - but the situation has improved dramatically since then. And note that there are more servers for *THAT* protocol, from more vendors, than for DNS. -- Valdis Kletnieks

Re: axfr-clarify's fraudulent claims of consensus

2003-02-18 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:48:23 GMT, Lloyd Wood said: > Saying it's broken implies the act of breakage. > > At what point was the software NOT broken? It's quite conceivable the software was BAD (Broken As Designed). It's pretty clear to me that either djbdns or BIND was BAD. I'm just not sure whi

Re: A charter for the IESG

2003-03-08 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Sat, 08 Mar 2003 01:16:48 EST, shogunx said: > Cant you just type ftp at a unix shell? > Or use one of the 3D or X11 ftp clients available for the 3D user > interface for linux? 3D? Where? ;) /Valdis (who has concluded that NVidia's GLX drivers, XFree86 4.3.0, and the Linux 2.5.64 kernel don't

Re: Network Working Group

2003-03-10 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 10 Mar 2003 15:59:28 PST, Bob Braden said: > There are minutes of a number of key meetings recorded in RFCs. > EG more than you ever wanted to know about how FTP or Telnet > or NCP came about! Any in particular you'd nominate for "cautionary tale" status? ;) pgp0.pgp Description: PG

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:37:23 MST, Doug Royer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > If you are talking about TLS certs (not S/MIME certs) then the ISP can > issue them to the customer directly (be a CA for connections from their > customers over TLS connections). I have read that the customer can be > given

Re: Memory Problem

2003-03-14 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
piling on some broken system where you have to jump through hoops to get rational memory management. If so, your only long-term real hope is to use software that actually works. -- Valdis Kletnieks Computer Systems Senior Engineer

Re: IAB policy on anti-spam mechanisms?

2003-03-12 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:56:06 EST, Keith Moore said: > I think you mean "every domain"; DNS names don't need to correspond to hosts > anymore (and often don't). I'm not sure why it's inherently impractical to d o > this, especially if it were possible to have a single cert that covered > multiple

Re: rfc-ed reference style [Re: Last Call: Instructions to Request for Comments (RFC) Authors to BCP]

2003-03-21 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:01:54 +0200, Pekka Savola said: > However, I'd strongly suggest adding some small amount of text to > rationalize the editorial style, to avoid a thread like this occurring > when people wonder whether the style is correct or not. Would a "We prefer to follow style manual

Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT...

2003-03-27 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:27:01 PST, Tony Hain said: > Pekka Savola wrote: > > Not so. (If you build your system in an optimal fashion -- > > which really > > does need a bit fleshing out, though.) > > So the intent is to dictate to everyone how they build their networks? We issue RFC's and BCP's

Re: Doing "real" work

2003-03-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 08:47:45 PST, Michel Py said: > two pieces of duct tape is really way superior to Cisco products". Yeah, > right. If Cisco became market leader, it is because of their ability to > design and manufacture products that actually work in enterprises and > not because of questionab

Re: Thinking differently about the site local problem (was: RE: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT...))

2003-03-28 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:00:31 EST, "David R. Oran" said: > Did anybody consider just handing out a /48 (or a bit smaller) > automagically with each DNS registration? Routing Table Bloat. If you can figure out how to do this in a CIDR aggregation context, or otherwise work around the table problem

Re: Thinking differently about the site local problem (was: RE: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT...))

2003-03-31 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:17:44 PST, Eliot Lear said: > Right up till the point where two companies start communicating with one > another directly with site-locals. Even if there is a router frob to > keep the scopes scoped, you can bet it won't be used until someone > realizes that the above pro

Re: Thinking differently about the site local problem (was: RE: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT...))

2003-03-31 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:49:03 CST, Matt Crawford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > Let's assume that there is a FooBar server in SiteA. If another > > node in SiteA (NodeA) is communicating via a multi-party application > > to a node in SiteB (NodeB), and wants to refer NodeB to the FooBar > > server

Re: Thinking differently about the site local problem (was: RE: site local addresses (was Re: Fw: Welcome to the InterNAT...))

2003-03-31 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 00:23:15 +0200, Jeroen Massar said: > Effectively this could be resolved by having one globally > unique identifier per node. The underlying protocols should Paging Noel Chiappa Paging Noel Chiappa ;) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature

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