Re: [efloraofindia:62794] ... met Aarti Khale ji at Rani Baug on 9 FEB 11
Dear Dinesh sir, Based on molecular analysis as well as morphological differences, by the top experts of the world, the order LILIALES was broken down into three Liliales Asparagales Diosocoreales Asparagales included many of the families, like Orchidaceae, Boryaceae, Blandfordiaceae, Lanariaceae, Asteliaceae, Hypoxidaceae, Ixioliriaceae, Tecophilaeaceae, Doryanthaceae, Iridaceae, Xeronemataceae, Xanthorrhoeaceae sensu lato, Hemerocallidoideae, Xanthorrhoeoideae, Asphodeloideae, Amaryllidaceae sensu lato, Agapanthoideae, Allioideae, Amaryllidoideae and Asparagaceae sensu lato. Asparagaceae inturn was divided into sub families which included many of the earlier families such as subfamily Agavoideae = family Agavaceae and family Hesperocallidaceae subfamily Aphyllanthoideae = family Aphyllanthaceae subfamily Asparagoideae = family Asparagaceae sensu stricto subfamily Brodiaeoideae = family Themidaceae subfamily Lomandroideae = family Laxmanniaceae subfamily Nolinoideae = family Ruscaceae subfamily Scilloideae = family Hyacinthaceae Cordyline belonged Laxmanniaceae which is not under Asparagaceae where as Dracaena belonged to Ruscaceae and earlier Ruscaceae did belong to Liliaceae but that was loong time back and not any more. Some of the basis differences are provided in Wikipedia which are given below. ASPARAGALES: The order is clearly circumscribed on the basis of DNA sequence analysis, but is difficult to define morphologically, since its members are structurally diverse. Thus although most species in the order are herbaceous, some no more than 15 cm high, there are a number of climbers (e.g. some species of Asparagus), as well as several genera forming trees (e.g. Agave, Cordyline, Yucca, Dracaena), some of which can exceed 10 m in height. Succulent genera occur in several families (e.g. Aloe). One of the defining characteristics of the order is the presence of phytomelan, a black pigment present in the seed coat, creating a dark crust. Phytomelan is found in most families of the Asparagales (although not in Orchidaceae, thought to be a sister to the rest of the group). Almost all species have a tight cluster of leaves (a rosette), either at the base of the plant or at the end of a more-or-less woody stem; the leaves are less often produced along the stem. The flowers are in the main not particularly distinctive, being of a general 'lily type', with six tepals, either free or fused from the base. The order is thought to have first diverged from other related monocots some 120-130 million years ago (early in the Cretaceous period), although given the difficulty in classifying the families involved, estimates are likely to be uncertain. LILIALES: This order consists mostly of herbaceous plants, but lianas and shrubs occur. They are mostly perennial plants, with food storage organs such as corms or rhizomes. The family Corsiaceae is notable for being heterotrophs. The order has worldwide distribution. The larger families (with more than 100 species) are roughly confined to the Northern Hemisphere, or are distributed worldwide, centering on the north. On the other hand, the smaller families (with up to 10 species) are confined to the Southern Hemisphere, or sometimes just to Australia or South America. The total number of species in the order is now about 1300. One big question raised by someone was, why Dracaena or Cordyline is in Asparagaceae and not Liliaceae. Answer is because NEITHER OF THEM HAVE CORM OR BULB. Classifications change from time to time. When Linne wrote Species Plantarum, he had his limitations in describing a taxa, he didnt have much facility and hence if you see his descriptions, trust me, half of the plant a common man wont be able to identify. For example, he described two taxa as Dioscorea alata: follis cordatis, caule alato bulifero Dioscorea bulbifera: follis cordatis, caule laevi bulbifero Linne didnt have a proper microscope. But then things improvised and more and more technology got involved and people started describing species in more details and then finally is the age of DNA which some Indians have just started using. Though world has reached PROTEONOMICS which India is still unaware of. -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62798] ... met Aarti Khale ji at Rani Baug on 9 FEB 11
... wow dear Pankaj .. whatever you have put, must be a deep subject ... but I could read it fearlessly !! Many many thanks for the efforts. Regards Dinesh. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Dinesh sir, Based on molecular analysis as well as morphological differences, by the top experts of the world, the order LILIALES was broken down into three Liliales Asparagales Diosocoreales Asparagales included many of the families, like Orchidaceae, Boryaceae, Blandfordiaceae, Lanariaceae, Asteliaceae, Hypoxidaceae, Ixioliriaceae, Tecophilaeaceae, Doryanthaceae, Iridaceae, Xeronemataceae, Xanthorrhoeaceae sensu lato, Hemerocallidoideae, Xanthorrhoeoideae, Asphodeloideae, Amaryllidaceae sensu lato, Agapanthoideae, Allioideae, Amaryllidoideae and Asparagaceae sensu lato. Asparagaceae inturn was divided into sub families which included many of the earlier families such as subfamily Agavoideae = family Agavaceae and family Hesperocallidaceae subfamily Aphyllanthoideae = family Aphyllanthaceae subfamily Asparagoideae = family Asparagaceae sensu stricto subfamily Brodiaeoideae = family Themidaceae subfamily Lomandroideae = family Laxmanniaceae subfamily Nolinoideae = family Ruscaceae subfamily Scilloideae = family Hyacinthaceae Cordyline belonged Laxmanniaceae which is not under Asparagaceae where as Dracaena belonged to Ruscaceae and earlier Ruscaceae did belong to Liliaceae but that was loong time back and not any more. Some of the basis differences are provided in Wikipedia which are given below. ASPARAGALES: The order is clearly circumscribed on the basis of DNA sequence analysis, but is difficult to define morphologically, since its members are structurally diverse. Thus although most species in the order are herbaceous, some no more than 15 cm high, there are a number of climbers (e.g. some species of Asparagus), as well as several genera forming trees (e.g. Agave, Cordyline, Yucca, Dracaena), some of which can exceed 10 m in height. Succulent genera occur in several families (e.g. Aloe). One of the defining characteristics of the order is the presence of phytomelan, a black pigment present in the seed coat, creating a dark crust. Phytomelan is found in most families of the Asparagales (although not in Orchidaceae, thought to be a sister to the rest of the group). Almost all species have a tight cluster of leaves (a rosette), either at the base of the plant or at the end of a more-or-less woody stem; the leaves are less often produced along the stem. The flowers are in the main not particularly distinctive, being of a general 'lily type', with six tepals, either free or fused from the base. The order is thought to have first diverged from other related monocots some 120-130 million years ago (early in the Cretaceous period), although given the difficulty in classifying the families involved, estimates are likely to be uncertain. LILIALES: This order consists mostly of herbaceous plants, but lianas and shrubs occur. They are mostly perennial plants, with food storage organs such as corms or rhizomes. The family Corsiaceae is notable for being heterotrophs. The order has worldwide distribution. The larger families (with more than 100 species) are roughly confined to the Northern Hemisphere, or are distributed worldwide, centering on the north. On the other hand, the smaller families (with up to 10 species) are confined to the Southern Hemisphere, or sometimes just to Australia or South America. The total number of species in the order is now about 1300. One big question raised by someone was, why Dracaena or Cordyline is in Asparagaceae and not Liliaceae. Answer is because NEITHER OF THEM HAVE CORM OR BULB. Classifications change from time to time. When Linne wrote Species Plantarum, he had his limitations in describing a taxa, he didnt have much facility and hence if you see his descriptions, trust me, half of the plant a common man wont be able to identify. For example, he described two taxa as Dioscorea alata: follis cordatis, caule alato bulifero Dioscorea bulbifera: follis cordatis, caule laevi bulbifero Linne didnt have a proper microscope. But then things improvised and more and more technology got involved and people started describing species in more details and then finally is the age of DNA which some Indians have just started using. Though world has reached PROTEONOMICS which India is still unaware of. -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62799] Re: Pitcher Plants 1
Dear Sir, Thanks a lot for sharing the pics. Atleast you have seen them in wild, you are lucky... And special thanks for Arundina graminifolia Nepenthes. What species are they by the way? This one looks like N. khasiana but I thought they were endemic to India. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Neil Soares drneilsoa...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Had encountered a few while trekking through the Kerangas [Heath Forests] of Bako National Park, Sarawak, Borneo. Sending a few photographs. With regards, Neil Soares. -- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49982/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49982/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62800] Re: Pitcher Plants 2
I assume we have more than one species here, and second last one doesnt seem like Nepenthes, but some other genus may be. Thanks a lot for sharing. Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Neil Soares drneilsoa...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Sending a few more photographs. With regards, Neil Soares. -- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbarhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/alerts you the instant new Mail arrives.Check it out.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49937/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62803] Another Polygonaceae for id 150211MK2
Can be polygonum glabrum plz validate On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Kindly help to identify this Polygonaceae member. The location is on the perennial river [Moyar] at eastern most part of Nilgiris district in TN. I also recorded this plant in Mudumalai wls at an altitude of c 800msl in a riverine patch. *Date/Time-* 10-02-2011 / 1:00 PM *Location- Place, Altitude, GP* river in Nilgiris RF; TN. c 350 msl *Habitat-** Garden**/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-* wild, riparian *Plant Habit-* herb *Height/Length-* c. 70 cm *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-* c. 7 X 2 cm *Inflorescence Type/ Size-* raceme; up to 6cm long *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-* pink; c 0.3cm across *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- * *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- * * * -- Muthu Karthick, N Care Earth Trust #15, second main road, Thillai ganga nagar, Chennai - 600 061 Mob: 0091 96268 33911 www.careearthtrust.org -- Smita raskar 308 Disha Residency, Salaiwada,Sawantwadi Mob.9763989639
Re: [efloraofindia:62804] Re: thorny Euphorbia sp.
Muthu ji Your two sets of plants seem to be the same E. antiquorum , only the matter of older and younger branches: All have distinctly 3-winged stems with straight wings. Rashida ji your first three plants are E. antiquorum without any doubt, but there is no reason to confuse the fourth photograph. It is without any wings and with spines which are spirally arranged. It should be E. neriifolia. This key from Flora of China should help in separating often confused species 4 (3)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-3Stems ± terete, leaves inserted on spirally arranged tubercles, spine shield widely separated. 29 *E. neriifolia*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321485 +Stems winged or ribbed, leaves arranged along ribs, spines shields often ± contiguous (5)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-5 5 (4)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-4Stem 3(or 4)-winged, wings thin and irregularly dentate, 1-2 cm wide. 30 *E. antiquorum*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=220005106 +Stem 5-7-angular, angles impressed and flat, irregularly repand-dentate. 31 *E. royleanahttp://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511 * * * * http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511** -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ * On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Just wanted to add. Euphorbia is a very big group and one most interesting thing is, the genus Euphorbia has two type species, Euphorbia antiquorum and Euphirbia serrata. I never heard a genus with two types before. If anyone else knows then please do add to our information. Kew has a list of around over 5000 names of which only ~2000 names are accepted. That itself depicts the taxonomic complications here. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Muthu Here is the lectotype of Euphorbia antiquorum L. Lectotype : Herb. Clifford: 196, Euphorbia 1 (BM-000628669) Designated by: Wijnands in Bot. Commelins : 97 (1983) You can clearly make out which is the real Euphorbia antiquorum. There is another species called Euphorbia royleana. Kindly check your plant with that description. I am not sure if this plant is found in South India but it is supposed to be widespread from Pakistan to Taiwan. I assume I have seen it in Uttarakhand as well as Rajasthan. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com Date: Feb 15, 12:08 pm Subject: thorny Euphorbia sp. To: efloraofindia Dear all, These plants are from the same locality. Kindly excuse me for mixing two species(?) in the same post. Please guide me in this morphology of * Euphorbia* spp. The previous plant posted have straight grooves and not that of *E. antiquorum*. Is this any physical variation or totally the species is different? On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Thank you all, and Pardeshiji cleared my doubt on inflorescence colour. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Usha Desai ushande...@gmail.com wrote: E. antqourumnice picture of Praying mantis in the last picture,preying for prey[?] Thanks for sharing.E antquorum is flowering all over Mumbai. Usha Desai On 1 February 2011 20:11, tanay bose tanaybos...@gmail.com wrote: *Euphorbia antiquorum* ***Tanay * On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Pardeshi S. satishparde...@gmail.comwrote: the young inflorescence appears green. once the ivary is formed it would impart the reddish/ purplish tone. Regards Satish Pardeshi On Feb 1, 4:31 pm, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Muthu ji I would go with E. antiquurum, because the angles are distinctly 3-winged, the wings are running almost straight. In E. tortilis the angles are not that promently winged, they are lobulate with stout paired spines on lobes, and most importantly the angles are spirally twisted like we have in E. neriifolia where of course the angles are not that prominents, and there are 5 spiral rows. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:56 PM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Dear all,
Re: [efloraofindia:62805] Another Polygonaceae for id 150211MK2
Hi, Can it be Persicaria hydropiper On 2/15/11, Smita Raskar smita.ras...@gmail.com wrote: Can be polygonum glabrum plz validate On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Kindly help to identify this Polygonaceae member. The location is on the perennial river [Moyar] at eastern most part of Nilgiris district in TN. I also recorded this plant in Mudumalai wls at an altitude of c 800msl in a riverine patch. *Date/Time-* 10-02-2011 / 1:00 PM *Location- Place, Altitude, GP* river in Nilgiris RF; TN. c 350 msl *Habitat-** Garden**/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-* wild, riparian *Plant Habit-* herb *Height/Length-* c. 70 cm *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-* c. 7 X 2 cm *Inflorescence Type/ Size-* raceme; up to 6cm long *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-* pink; c 0.3cm across *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- * *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- * * * -- Muthu Karthick, N Care Earth Trust #15, second main road, Thillai ganga nagar, Chennai - 600 061 Mob: 0091 96268 33911 www.careearthtrust.org -- Smita raskar 308 Disha Residency, Salaiwada,Sawantwadi Mob.9763989639 -- Dr. Amit Chauhan Junior Technical Assistant Central Institute of Medicinal and Aromatic Plants, Research Centre, Pantnagar, PO Dairy Farm Nagla, Pantnagar, Udham Singh Nagar, Uttarakhand 263149 ph.05944 234445 mob.+919412161087 mail: amitci...@gmail.com amitci...@rediffmail.com amit.chau...@cimap.res.in
Re: [efloraofindia:62806] Re: thorny Euphorbia sp.
Thanks for the detail. I totally forgot about neriifolia. If you look at the second group of pics shared by Mr. Muthu, I think there are two species. Secondly, in the lectotype, the wings are not straight. I have seen both of these plants myself in gardens, and I always thought one of them to be hybrid. But you are more experienced so you must be having a better idea. Thanks again. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Muthu ji Your two sets of plants seem to be the same E. antiquorum , only the matter of older and younger branches: All have distinctly 3-winged stems with straight wings. Rashida ji your first three plants are E. antiquorum without any doubt, but there is no reason to confuse the fourth photograph. It is without any wings and with spines which are spirally arranged. It should be E. neriifolia. This key from Flora of China should help in separating often confused species 4 (3)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-3 Stems ± terete, leaves inserted on spirally arranged tubercles, spine shield widely separated. 29 *E. neriifolia*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321485 +Stems winged or ribbed, leaves arranged along ribs, spines shields often ± contiguous (5)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-5 5 (4)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-4 Stem 3(or 4)-winged, wings thin and irregularly dentate, 1-2 cm wide. 30 *E. antiquorum*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=220005106+Stem 5-7-angular, angles impressed and flat, irregularly repand-dentate. 31 *E. royleanahttp://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511 * * * * http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511** -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ * On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Just wanted to add. Euphorbia is a very big group and one most interesting thing is, the genus Euphorbia has two type species, Euphorbia antiquorum and Euphirbia serrata. I never heard a genus with two types before. If anyone else knows then please do add to our information. Kew has a list of around over 5000 names of which only ~2000 names are accepted. That itself depicts the taxonomic complications here. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Muthu Here is the lectotype of Euphorbia antiquorum L. Lectotype : Herb. Clifford: 196, Euphorbia 1 (BM-000628669) Designated by: Wijnands in Bot. Commelins : 97 (1983) You can clearly make out which is the real Euphorbia antiquorum. There is another species called Euphorbia royleana. Kindly check your plant with that description. I am not sure if this plant is found in South India but it is supposed to be widespread from Pakistan to Taiwan. I assume I have seen it in Uttarakhand as well as Rajasthan. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com Date: Feb 15, 12:08 pm Subject: thorny Euphorbia sp. To: efloraofindia Dear all, These plants are from the same locality. Kindly excuse me for mixing two species(?) in the same post. Please guide me in this morphology of * Euphorbia* spp. The previous plant posted have straight grooves and not that of *E. antiquorum*. Is this any physical variation or totally the species is different? On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Thank you all, and Pardeshiji cleared my doubt on inflorescence colour. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Usha Desai ushande...@gmail.com wrote: E. antqourumnice picture of Praying mantis in the last picture,preying for prey[?] Thanks for sharing.E antquorum is flowering all over Mumbai. Usha Desai On 1 February 2011 20:11, tanay bose tanaybos...@gmail.com wrote: *Euphorbia antiquorum* ***Tanay * On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Pardeshi S. satishparde...@gmail.comwrote: the young inflorescence appears green. once the ivary is formed it would impart the reddish/ purplish tone. Regards Satish Pardeshi On Feb 1, 4:31 pm, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Muthu ji I would go with E. antiquurum, because the angles are distinctly 3-winged, the wings are running almost straight. In E. tortilis the angles are not that promently winged, they are lobulate with stout paired spines on
Re: [efloraofindia:62807] Re: thorny Euphorbia sp.
Pankaj ji Perhaps this image should clarify what I meant by straight and spirally running wings. E. tortilis has spirally running and E. antiquorum straight. http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=2860osCsid=gm3v4gonrocedtfv9d3c9kqnn4 http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=2860osCsid=gm3v4gonrocedtfv9d3c9kqnn4If you look carefully the type specimen cited by you also has straight wings. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for the detail. I totally forgot about neriifolia. If you look at the second group of pics shared by Mr. Muthu, I think there are two species. Secondly, in the lectotype, the wings are not straight. I have seen both of these plants myself in gardens, and I always thought one of them to be hybrid. But you are more experienced so you must be having a better idea. Thanks again. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.comwrote: Muthu ji Your two sets of plants seem to be the same E. antiquorum , only the matter of older and younger branches: All have distinctly 3-winged stems with straight wings. Rashida ji your first three plants are E. antiquorum without any doubt, but there is no reason to confuse the fourth photograph. It is without any wings and with spines which are spirally arranged. It should be E. neriifolia. This key from Flora of China should help in separating often confused species 4 (3)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-3 Stems ± terete, leaves inserted on spirally arranged tubercles, spine shield widely separated. 29 *E. neriifolia*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321485 +Stems winged or ribbed, leaves arranged along ribs, spines shields often ± contiguous (5)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-5 5 (4)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-4 Stem 3(or 4)-winged, wings thin and irregularly dentate, 1-2 cm wide. 30 *E. antiquorum*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=220005106+Stem 5-7-angular, angles impressed and flat, irregularly repand-dentate. 31 *E. royleanahttp://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511 * * * * http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511* * -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ * On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Just wanted to add. Euphorbia is a very big group and one most interesting thing is, the genus Euphorbia has two type species, Euphorbia antiquorum and Euphirbia serrata. I never heard a genus with two types before. If anyone else knows then please do add to our information. Kew has a list of around over 5000 names of which only ~2000 names are accepted. That itself depicts the taxonomic complications here. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Muthu Here is the lectotype of Euphorbia antiquorum L. Lectotype : Herb. Clifford: 196, Euphorbia 1 (BM-000628669) Designated by: Wijnands in Bot. Commelins : 97 (1983) You can clearly make out which is the real Euphorbia antiquorum. There is another species called Euphorbia royleana. Kindly check your plant with that description. I am not sure if this plant is found in South India but it is supposed to be widespread from Pakistan to Taiwan. I assume I have seen it in Uttarakhand as well as Rajasthan. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com Date: Feb 15, 12:08 pm Subject: thorny Euphorbia sp. To: efloraofindia Dear all, These plants are from the same locality. Kindly excuse me for mixing two species(?) in the same post. Please guide me in this morphology of * Euphorbia* spp. The previous plant posted have straight grooves and not that of *E. antiquorum*. Is this any physical variation or totally the species is different? On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Thank you all, and Pardeshiji cleared my doubt on inflorescence colour. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Usha Desai ushande...@gmail.com wrote: E. antqourumnice picture of Praying mantis in the last picture,preying
Re: [efloraofindia:62809] Another ID from Chamba
Thanks Gurcharan ji, I see your point, and since you all have identified many more of this species I think you'd know much more than me about this so Plectranthus it is and as far as the species I think Prashant ji and you would have the answer Thank you Sincerely, regards Alok On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 10:02 +0530, Gurcharan Singh wrote: inflorescence. -- Himalayan Village Education Trust Village Khudgot, P.O. Dalhousie District Chamba H.P. 176304, India www.hive.interconnection.org hivetrust.wordpress.com
Re: [efloraofindia:62811] ... met Aarti Khale ji at Rani Baug on 9 FEB 11
It would be good to get more reliable information with regards to this family. I wish someone who has worked with Asparagaceae would enlighten us with regards to the leaves. Also two main characteristics for a plant to be in Liliaceae is the inferior trilocular ovary and trimerous arrangement of sepals and petals. Perhaps more diverse contribution from experts is needed here. regards, Rashida. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Dinesh Valke dinesh.va...@gmail.comwrote: ... wow dear Pankaj .. whatever you have put, must be a deep subject ... but I could read it fearlessly !! Many many thanks for the efforts. Regards Dinesh. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Dinesh sir, Based on molecular analysis as well as morphological differences, by the top experts of the world, the order LILIALES was broken down into three Liliales Asparagales Diosocoreales Asparagales included many of the families, like Orchidaceae, Boryaceae, Blandfordiaceae, Lanariaceae, Asteliaceae, Hypoxidaceae, Ixioliriaceae, Tecophilaeaceae, Doryanthaceae, Iridaceae, Xeronemataceae, Xanthorrhoeaceae sensu lato, Hemerocallidoideae, Xanthorrhoeoideae, Asphodeloideae, Amaryllidaceae sensu lato, Agapanthoideae, Allioideae, Amaryllidoideae and Asparagaceae sensu lato. Asparagaceae inturn was divided into sub families which included many of the earlier families such as subfamily Agavoideae = family Agavaceae and family Hesperocallidaceae subfamily Aphyllanthoideae = family Aphyllanthaceae subfamily Asparagoideae = family Asparagaceae sensu stricto subfamily Brodiaeoideae = family Themidaceae subfamily Lomandroideae = family Laxmanniaceae subfamily Nolinoideae = family Ruscaceae subfamily Scilloideae = family Hyacinthaceae Cordyline belonged Laxmanniaceae which is not under Asparagaceae where as Dracaena belonged to Ruscaceae and earlier Ruscaceae did belong to Liliaceae but that was loong time back and not any more. Some of the basis differences are provided in Wikipedia which are given below. ASPARAGALES: The order is clearly circumscribed on the basis of DNA sequence analysis, but is difficult to define morphologically, since its members are structurally diverse. Thus although most species in the order are herbaceous, some no more than 15 cm high, there are a number of climbers (e.g. some species of Asparagus), as well as several genera forming trees (e.g. Agave, Cordyline, Yucca, Dracaena), some of which can exceed 10 m in height. Succulent genera occur in several families (e.g. Aloe). One of the defining characteristics of the order is the presence of phytomelan, a black pigment present in the seed coat, creating a dark crust. Phytomelan is found in most families of the Asparagales (although not in Orchidaceae, thought to be a sister to the rest of the group). Almost all species have a tight cluster of leaves (a rosette), either at the base of the plant or at the end of a more-or-less woody stem; the leaves are less often produced along the stem. The flowers are in the main not particularly distinctive, being of a general 'lily type', with six tepals, either free or fused from the base. The order is thought to have first diverged from other related monocots some 120-130 million years ago (early in the Cretaceous period), although given the difficulty in classifying the families involved, estimates are likely to be uncertain. LILIALES: This order consists mostly of herbaceous plants, but lianas and shrubs occur. They are mostly perennial plants, with food storage organs such as corms or rhizomes. The family Corsiaceae is notable for being heterotrophs. The order has worldwide distribution. The larger families (with more than 100 species) are roughly confined to the Northern Hemisphere, or are distributed worldwide, centering on the north. On the other hand, the smaller families (with up to 10 species) are confined to the Southern Hemisphere, or sometimes just to Australia or South America. The total number of species in the order is now about 1300. One big question raised by someone was, why Dracaena or Cordyline is in Asparagaceae and not Liliaceae. Answer is because NEITHER OF THEM HAVE CORM OR BULB. Classifications change from time to time. When Linne wrote Species Plantarum, he had his limitations in describing a taxa, he didnt have much facility and hence if you see his descriptions, trust me, half of the plant a common man wont be able to identify. For example, he described two taxa as Dioscorea alata: follis cordatis, caule alato bulifero Dioscorea bulbifera: follis cordatis, caule laevi bulbifero Linne didnt have a proper microscope. But then things improvised and more and more technology got involved and people started describing species in more details and then finally is the age of DNA which some Indians have just started using. Though world has reached PROTEONOMICS which India
Re: [efloraofindia:62812] Re: thorny Euphorbia sp.
Great Sir. Thankyou so much for the clarification and pictures. Euphorbiaceae week is more than three week away, but the interest is generated from now ! regards, Rashida. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Muthu ji Your two sets of plants seem to be the same E. antiquorum , only the matter of older and younger branches: All have distinctly 3-winged stems with straight wings. Rashida ji your first three plants are E. antiquorum without any doubt, but there is no reason to confuse the fourth photograph. It is without any wings and with spines which are spirally arranged. It should be E. neriifolia. This key from Flora of China should help in separating often confused species 4 (3)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-3 Stems ± terete, leaves inserted on spirally arranged tubercles, spine shield widely separated. 29 *E. neriifolia*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321485 + Stems winged or ribbed, leaves arranged along ribs, spines shields often ± contiguous (5)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-5 5 (4)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-4 Stem 3(or 4)-winged, wings thin and irregularly dentate, 1-2 cm wide. 30 *E. antiquorum*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=220005106 + Stem 5-7-angular, angles impressed and flat, irregularly repand-dentate. 31 *E. royleanahttp://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511 * * * * http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511** -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ * On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Just wanted to add. Euphorbia is a very big group and one most interesting thing is, the genus Euphorbia has two type species, Euphorbia antiquorum and Euphirbia serrata. I never heard a genus with two types before. If anyone else knows then please do add to our information. Kew has a list of around over 5000 names of which only ~2000 names are accepted. That itself depicts the taxonomic complications here. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Muthu Here is the lectotype of Euphorbia antiquorum L. Lectotype : Herb. Clifford: 196, Euphorbia 1 (BM-000628669) Designated by: Wijnands in Bot. Commelins : 97 (1983) You can clearly make out which is the real Euphorbia antiquorum. There is another species called Euphorbia royleana. Kindly check your plant with that description. I am not sure if this plant is found in South India but it is supposed to be widespread from Pakistan to Taiwan. I assume I have seen it in Uttarakhand as well as Rajasthan. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com Date: Feb 15, 12:08 pm Subject: thorny Euphorbia sp. To: efloraofindia Dear all, These plants are from the same locality. Kindly excuse me for mixing two species(?) in the same post. Please guide me in this morphology of * Euphorbia* spp. The previous plant posted have straight grooves and not that of *E. antiquorum*. Is this any physical variation or totally the species is different? On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Thank you all, and Pardeshiji cleared my doubt on inflorescence colour. On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Usha Desai ushande...@gmail.com wrote: E. antqourumnice picture of Praying mantis in the last picture,preying for prey[?] Thanks for sharing.E antquorum is flowering all over Mumbai. Usha Desai On 1 February 2011 20:11, tanay bose tanaybos...@gmail.com wrote: *Euphorbia antiquorum* ***Tanay * On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:18 AM, Pardeshi S. satishparde...@gmail.comwrote: the young inflorescence appears green. once the ivary is formed it would impart the reddish/ purplish tone. Regards Satish Pardeshi On Feb 1, 4:31 pm, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Muthu ji I would go with E. antiquurum, because the angles are distinctly 3-winged, the wings are running almost straight. In E. tortilis the angles are not that promently winged, they are lobulate with stout paired spines on lobes, and most importantly the angles are spirally twisted like we have in E. neriifolia where of course the angles are not that prominents, and there are 5 spiral rows. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh
[efloraofindia:62813] Re: Scrophulariaceae for id 140211MK3
Looks like Lindernia parviflora Satish Pardeshi On Feb 14, 3:44 pm, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Please help to identify this Scrophulariaceae herb found on river bank. I already requested id of the same species in a different place here:https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/dd... *Date/Time-* 10-02-2011 / 11:00 AM *Location- Place, Altitude, GPS* river-shore in Satyamangalam RF; TN. c 350 msl *Habitat-** Garden**/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-* wet shore *Plant Habit-* Prostrate herb *Height/Length-* c. 15 cm *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-* c. 1.5 X 0.5 cm; sessile *Inflorescence Type/ Size-* solitary *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-* light violet; 0.5cm across *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- * *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- * * * -- Muthu Karthick, N Care Earth Trust #15, second main road, Thillai ganga nagar, Chennai - 600 061 Mob: 09626833911www.careearthtrust.org Scrophulariaceae.jpg 191KViewDownload Scrophulariaceae (1).jpg 268KViewDownload Scrophulariaceae (2).jpg 165KViewDownload
Re: [efloraofindia:62814] ... met Aarti Khale ji at Rani Baug on 9 FEB 11
Thank you sir for appreciation. I am trying to gather more information, which if I could get before tomorrow evening then its fine or I will share after february. I assume, we are lacking good taxonomists in India for this. I have written a mail to one of my acquaintences at University of Vienna. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Dinesh Valke dinesh.va...@gmail.com wrote: ... wow dear Pankaj .. whatever you have put, must be a deep subject ... but I could read it fearlessly !! Many many thanks for the efforts. Regards Dinesh. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Dinesh sir, Based on molecular analysis as well as morphological differences, by the top experts of the world, the order LILIALES was broken down into three Liliales Asparagales Diosocoreales Asparagales included many of the families, like Orchidaceae, Boryaceae, Blandfordiaceae, Lanariaceae, Asteliaceae, Hypoxidaceae, Ixioliriaceae, Tecophilaeaceae, Doryanthaceae, Iridaceae, Xeronemataceae, Xanthorrhoeaceae sensu lato, Hemerocallidoideae, Xanthorrhoeoideae, Asphodeloideae, Amaryllidaceae sensu lato, Agapanthoideae, Allioideae, Amaryllidoideae and Asparagaceae sensu lato. Asparagaceae inturn was divided into sub families which included many of the earlier families such as subfamily Agavoideae = family Agavaceae and family Hesperocallidaceae subfamily Aphyllanthoideae = family Aphyllanthaceae subfamily Asparagoideae = family Asparagaceae sensu stricto subfamily Brodiaeoideae = family Themidaceae subfamily Lomandroideae = family Laxmanniaceae subfamily Nolinoideae = family Ruscaceae subfamily Scilloideae = family Hyacinthaceae Cordyline belonged Laxmanniaceae which is not under Asparagaceae where as Dracaena belonged to Ruscaceae and earlier Ruscaceae did belong to Liliaceae but that was loong time back and not any more. Some of the basis differences are provided in Wikipedia which are given below. ASPARAGALES: The order is clearly circumscribed on the basis of DNA sequence analysis, but is difficult to define morphologically, since its members are structurally diverse. Thus although most species in the order are herbaceous, some no more than 15 cm high, there are a number of climbers (e.g. some species of Asparagus), as well as several genera forming trees (e.g. Agave, Cordyline, Yucca, Dracaena), some of which can exceed 10 m in height. Succulent genera occur in several families (e.g. Aloe). One of the defining characteristics of the order is the presence of phytomelan, a black pigment present in the seed coat, creating a dark crust. Phytomelan is found in most families of the Asparagales (although not in Orchidaceae, thought to be a sister to the rest of the group). Almost all species have a tight cluster of leaves (a rosette), either at the base of the plant or at the end of a more-or-less woody stem; the leaves are less often produced along the stem. The flowers are in the main not particularly distinctive, being of a general 'lily type', with six tepals, either free or fused from the base. The order is thought to have first diverged from other related monocots some 120-130 million years ago (early in the Cretaceous period), although given the difficulty in classifying the families involved, estimates are likely to be uncertain. LILIALES: This order consists mostly of herbaceous plants, but lianas and shrubs occur. They are mostly perennial plants, with food storage organs such as corms or rhizomes. The family Corsiaceae is notable for being heterotrophs. The order has worldwide distribution. The larger families (with more than 100 species) are roughly confined to the Northern Hemisphere, or are distributed worldwide, centering on the north. On the other hand, the smaller families (with up to 10 species) are confined to the Southern Hemisphere, or sometimes just to Australia or South America. The total number of species in the order is now about 1300. One big question raised by someone was, why Dracaena or Cordyline is in Asparagaceae and not Liliaceae. Answer is because NEITHER OF THEM HAVE CORM OR BULB. Classifications change from time to time. When Linne wrote Species Plantarum, he had his limitations in describing a taxa, he didnt have much facility and hence if you see his descriptions, trust me, half of the plant a common man wont be able to identify. For example, he described two taxa as Dioscorea alata: follis cordatis, caule alato bulifero Dioscorea bulbifera: follis cordatis, caule laevi bulbifero Linne didnt have a proper microscope. But then things improvised and more and more technology got involved and people started describing species in more details and then finally is the age of DNA which some Indians have just started using. Though world has reached PROTEONOMICS which India is still unaware of. -- ***
Re: [efloraofindia:62815] Re: thorny Euphorbia sp.
Thanks for sharing the pic and link. I understood what you meant. I just imagine if those contractions and swelling are due to environmental factors or that is a consistent character of this taxa? because that character is also evident in image of the Lectotype. Undoubtedly Euphorbias are complicated!! Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Here is my photograph where you can see both young and old branches in the same plant. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.comwrote: Pankaj ji Perhaps this image should clarify what I meant by straight and spirally running wings. E. tortilis has spirally running and E. antiquorum straight. http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=2860osCsid=gm3v4gonrocedtfv9d3c9kqnn4 http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=2860osCsid=gm3v4gonrocedtfv9d3c9kqnn4If you look carefully the type specimen cited by you also has straight wings. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for the detail. I totally forgot about neriifolia. If you look at the second group of pics shared by Mr. Muthu, I think there are two species. Secondly, in the lectotype, the wings are not straight. I have seen both of these plants myself in gardens, and I always thought one of them to be hybrid. But you are more experienced so you must be having a better idea. Thanks again. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.comwrote: Muthu ji Your two sets of plants seem to be the same E. antiquorum , only the matter of older and younger branches: All have distinctly 3-winged stems with straight wings. Rashida ji your first three plants are E. antiquorum without any doubt, but there is no reason to confuse the fourth photograph. It is without any wings and with spines which are spirally arranged. It should be E. neriifolia. This key from Flora of China should help in separating often confused species 4 (3)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-3 Stems ± terete, leaves inserted on spirally arranged tubercles, spine shield widely separated. 29 *E. neriifolia*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321485 +Stems winged or ribbed, leaves arranged along ribs, spines shields often ± contiguous (5)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-5 5 (4)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-4 Stem 3(or 4)-winged, wings thin and irregularly dentate, 1-2 cm wide. 30 *E. antiquorum*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=220005106+Stem 5-7-angular, angles impressed and flat, irregularly repand-dentate. 31 *E. royleanahttp://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511 * * * *http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511 ** -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ * On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Just wanted to add. Euphorbia is a very big group and one most interesting thing is, the genus Euphorbia has two type species, Euphorbia antiquorum and Euphirbia serrata. I never heard a genus with two types before. If anyone else knows then please do add to our information. Kew has a list of around over 5000 names of which only ~2000 names are accepted. That itself depicts the taxonomic complications here. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Muthu Here is the lectotype of Euphorbia antiquorum L. Lectotype : Herb. Clifford: 196, Euphorbia 1 (BM-000628669) Designated by: Wijnands in Bot. Commelins : 97 (1983) You can clearly make out which is the real Euphorbia antiquorum. There is another species called Euphorbia royleana. Kindly check your plant with that description. I am not sure if this plant is found in South India but it is supposed to be widespread from Pakistan to Taiwan. I assume I have seen it in Uttarakhand as well as Rajasthan. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:35 PM, Dr Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: --
Re: [efloraofindia:62816] Polygonum for id 150211MK1
Germanname Knöterich. But I have this weed in my garden in Ritterhude, not just white but redisch too. I don't think I have a foto of the red one. Will send some in summer. Sending Knöterich from my garden in a new mail. Nalini - Original Message - From: Muthu Karthick To: indiantreepix Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 8:31 AM Subject: [efloraofindia:62790] Polygonum for id 150211MK1 Dear all, Please help to is this Polygonaceae member. I hope the genus is Polygonum sp. I found this single individual in a first-order stream among P.glabrum population. The location is on the eastern most part of Nilgiris district in TN. Date/Time- 10-02-2011 / 11:00 AM Location- Place, Altitude, GP stream in Nilgiris RF; TN. c 350 msl Habitat- Garden/ Urban/ Wild/ Type- wild, wetland Plant Habit- herb Height/Length- c. 50 cm Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size- c. 10 X 1 cm; Violet blotches in mid of leaf Inflorescence Type/ Size- raceme; upto 10cm long Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts- white Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- -- Muthu Karthick, N Care Earth Trust #15, second main road, Thillai ganga nagar, Chennai - 600 061 Mob: 0091 96268 33911 www.careearthtrust.org
[efloraofindia:62818] Re: Erithrina sp. flowering
This is Erythrina stricta. can be easily identified on the shape and size of the Keel petal. common in Sanjay Gandhi National Park, Mumbai Regards Satish Pardehsi On Feb 15, 9:41 am, Rashida Atthar atthar.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Alok ji. This is seen towards the edge of the forest. It is dry right now. regards, Rashida. Alok On Feb 12, 5:36 am, Rashida Atthar atthar.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Here's the first flowering of Erythrinia with a visitor seen at the south end of the forest in Mumbai - most likely Erythrinia variegata L. The bark has vertical lines and prickles on trunk and young branches- Request validation. regards, Rashida. Erythrinia sp. and tailor bird.JPG 149KViewDownload
Re: [efloraofindia:62823] begonia...??
Yes this is a Begonia. Can you please send full details about the location. If you follow the rules to post for identification, that would be of more help in proper identification of the taxa. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Alok Isabelle alokisabe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Is this a begonia?? Regards Sincerely Alok -- Himalayan Village Education Trust Village Khudgot, P.O. Dalhousie District Chamba H.P. 176304, India www.hive.interconnection.org hivetrust.wordpress.com -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62822] the next from Kalatope sanctuary...
Crucifers are often difficult to identify without fruits, but looking at flowers and leaves it looks like Thlaspi cochleariforme -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Alok Isabelle alokisabe...@gmail.comwrote: Dear friends, Since I have found this beautifully interactive forum, I am offloading my last years unanswered questions to you... I hope you all do not mind... :)) Here is another one of the flowers I have yet to id... Alok -- Himalayan Village Education Trust Village Khudgot, P.O. Dalhousie District Chamba H.P. 176304, India www.hive.interconnection.org hivetrust.wordpress.com
Re: [efloraofindia:62825] Plumbaginaceae: Plumbago zeylanica L.
Thanks Pankaj ji for details of this common species. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Plumbago zeylanica L. Sp. Pl. 1: 151. 1753. Family: Plumbaginaceae Lectotype : Herb. Linn. No. 216.2 (LINN) Location: TBGRI, Thiruvananthapuram Distribution: Africa, the Middle East, South Asia, Southeast Asia, Oceania [Wikipedia] Camera: Nikon D300+Nikkor 60mm+Vivitar Ringhflash. Attachments: 1. Image of the plant 2. Protologue 3. Image of Lectotype Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62826] begonia...??
On second thought I think it could be as simple as Begonia picta. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Yes this is a Begonia. Can you please send full details about the location. If you follow the rules to post for identification, that would be of more help in proper identification of the taxa. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Alok Isabelle alokisabe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Is this a begonia?? Regards Sincerely Alok -- Himalayan Village Education Trust Village Khudgot, P.O. Dalhousie District Chamba H.P. 176304, India www.hive.interconnection.org hivetrust.wordpress.com -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62828] Plumbaginaceae: Plumbago indica L.
Thanks a lot for your comment. I am quite touched. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Pankaj ji for another Plumbago, I had not seen. Great to see the protologue and lectotype With these additions I think our database should become a unique resource for Indian Flora. You are a great asset to the group. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Plumbago indica L. Herb. Amboin. (Linn.) 24. 1754. Synonym: Plumbago rosea L. Sp. Pl., ed. 2. 1: 215. 1762. nom. illeg. Family: Plumbaginaceae Lectotype = Radix Vesicatoria in Rumphius, Herb. Amboin., 5: 453, t. 168, 1747 Attachment: 1. Image of plant 2. Protologue - Radix Vesicatoria Herb. Amboin., 5: 453 3. Lectotype - Herb. Amboin., t. 168 Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62824] Plumbaginaceae: Plumbago indica L.
Thanks Pankaj ji for another Plumbago, I had not seen. Great to see the protologue and lectotype With these additions I think our database should become a unique resource for Indian Flora. You are a great asset to the group. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Plumbago indica L. Herb. Amboin. (Linn.) 24. 1754. Synonym: Plumbago rosea L. Sp. Pl., ed. 2. 1: 215. 1762. nom. illeg. Family: Plumbaginaceae Lectotype = Radix Vesicatoria in Rumphius, Herb. Amboin., 5: 453, t. 168, 1747 Attachment: 1. Image of plant 2. Protologue - Radix Vesicatoria Herb. Amboin., 5: 453 3. Lectotype - Herb. Amboin., t. 168 Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62829] Sterculia villosa
Rashida ji, the posted images are of *Sterculia urens* Roxb. *** Rajdeo Singh Project fellow St. Xavier's College, Mumbai
Re: [efloraofindia:62830] Vallisneria natans (Lour.) Hara [Hydrocharitaceae]
Nice catch Thanks for sharing tanay On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 11:22 PM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Yes sir, the pedicels were spirally coiled and when straightened extends up to 20 cm On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: You got the flowers too. Thanks a lot for sharing the beautiful pics. Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:48 PM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Name: Vallisneria natans (Lour.) Hara Family:Hydrocharitaceae Location Bhavanisagar dam; Erode dist., TN Date: 08 Feb 2011 Is this id right? or could this be any other species? -- Muthu Karthick, N Care Earth Trust #15, second main road, Thillai ganga nagar, Chennai - 600 061 Mob: 0091 96268 33911 www.careearthtrust.org -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Muthu Karthick, N Care Earth Trust #15, second main road, Thillai ganga nagar, Chennai - 600 061 Mob: 0091 96268 33911 www.careearthtrust.org -- *Tanay Bose* Research Assistant Teaching Assistant. Department of Botany. University of British Columbia . 3529-6270 University Blvd. Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) 604-822-2019 (Lab) 604-822-6089 (Fax) ta...@interchange.ubc.ca *Webpages:* http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/
Re: [efloraofindia:62831] Re: Pitcher Plants 1
Thanks for sharing Tanay On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Sir, Thanks a lot for sharing the pics. Atleast you have seen them in wild, you are lucky... And special thanks for Arundina graminifolia Nepenthes. What species are they by the way? This one looks like N. khasiana but I thought they were endemic to India. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Neil Soares drneilsoa...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi, Had encountered a few while trekking through the Kerangas [Heath Forests] of Bako National Park, Sarawak, Borneo. Sending a few photographs. With regards, Neil Soares. -- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49982/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49982/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *Tanay Bose* Research Assistant Teaching Assistant. Department of Botany. University of British Columbia . 3529-6270 University Blvd. Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) 604-822-2019 (Lab) 604-822-6089 (Fax) ta...@interchange.ubc.ca *Webpages:* http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/
Re: [efloraofindia:62832] Another Polygonaceae for id 150211MK2
Persicaria hydropiper Tanay On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:48 AM, amit chauhan amitci...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Can it be Persicaria hydropiper On 2/15/11, Smita Raskar smita.ras...@gmail.com wrote: Can be polygonum glabrum plz validate On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Kindly help to identify this Polygonaceae member. The location is on the perennial river [Moyar] at eastern most part of Nilgiris district in TN. I also recorded this plant in Mudumalai wls at an altitude of c 800msl in a riverine patch. *Date/Time-* 10-02-2011 / 1:00 PM *Location- Place, Altitude, GP* river in Nilgiris RF; TN. c 350 msl *Habitat-** Garden**/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-* wild, riparian *Plant Habit-* herb *Height/Length-* c. 70 cm *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-* c. 7 X 2 cm *Inflorescence Type/ Size-* raceme; up to 6cm long *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-* pink; c 0.3cm across *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- * *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- * * * -- Muthu Karthick, N Care Earth Trust #15, second main road, Thillai ganga nagar, Chennai - 600 061 Mob: 0091 96268 33911 www.careearthtrust.org -- Smita raskar 308 Disha Residency, Salaiwada,Sawantwadi Mob.9763989639 -- Dr. Amit Chauhan Junior Technical Assistant Central Institute of Medicinal and Aromatic Plants, Research Centre, Pantnagar, PO Dairy Farm Nagla, Pantnagar, Udham Singh Nagar, Uttarakhand 263149 ph.05944 234445 mob.+919412161087 mail: amitci...@gmail.com amitci...@rediffmail.com amit.chau...@cimap.res.in -- *Tanay Bose* Research Assistant Teaching Assistant. Department of Botany. University of British Columbia . 3529-6270 University Blvd. Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) 604-822-2019 (Lab) 604-822-6089 (Fax) ta...@interchange.ubc.ca *Webpages:* http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/
Re: [efloraofindia:62834] begonia...??
Extremely sorry friends... :(( I am too presumptuous in my thought that you would understand that all my posts are pertaining only to Kalatope Khajjiar sanctuary around my house from an altitude of 2100 mts to 2500 mts (the area which I have covered), however I'll try and remember it in future posts, in the later part of my study I had the date of observation imprinted on the photo.. so that I would not have a problem remembering as in the case of begonia where it is on the photo itself.. Sorry for the oversight again... Sincerely Regards Alok On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 20:04 +0530, Gurcharan Singh wrote: Alok ji Please send your posts with relevant information. In our country with diversity of Flora that represents every thing from poles to equator, it is almost impossible even for experts to identify with location, altitude and other relevant details. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Yes this is a Begonia. Can you please send full details about the location. If you follow the rules to post for identification, that would be of more help in proper identification of the taxa. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Alok Isabelle alokisabe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Is this a begonia?? Regards Sincerely Alok -- Himalayan Village Education Trust Village Khudgot, P.O. Dalhousie District Chamba H.P. 176304, India www.hive.interconnection.org hivetrust.wordpress.com -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Himalayan Village Education Trust Village Khudgot, P.O. Dalhousie District Chamba H.P. 176304, India www.hive.interconnection.org hivetrust.wordpress.com
Re: [efloraofindia:62835] begonia...??
Dear Alok Genus Begonia has more than 1500 species, often very difficult to identify. Once you have told us the place we know we will have to mostly choose between B. picta (leaves often blotched with pink, hairy ; flowers tinged pink and capsule with unequal wings) and B. dioica (syn: B. amoena; leaves green, glabrous, flowers mostly white and capsule with equal wings). Obviously your plant is B. dioica. I hope you and other members will now understand the value of data needed in the prescribed format. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Alok Isabelle alokisabe...@gmail.comwrote: Extremely sorry friends... :(( I am too presumptuous in my thought that you would understand that all my posts are pertaining only to Kalatope Khajjiar sanctuary around my house from an altitude of 2100 mts to 2500 mts (the area which I have covered), however I'll try and remember it in future posts, in the later part of my study I had the date of observation imprinted on the photo.. so that I would not have a problem remembering as in the case of begonia where it is on the photo itself.. Sorry for the oversight again... Sincerely Regards Alok On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 20:04 +0530, Gurcharan Singh wrote: Alok ji Please send your posts with relevant information. In our country with diversity of Flora that represents every thing from poles to equator, it is almost impossible even for experts to identify with location, altitude and other relevant details. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Yes this is a Begonia. Can you please send full details about the location. If you follow the rules to post for identification, that would be of more help in proper identification of the taxa. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Alok Isabelle alokisabe...@gmail.com wrote: Dear friends, Is this a begonia?? Regards Sincerely Alok -- Himalayan Village Education Trust Village Khudgot, P.O. Dalhousie District Chamba H.P. 176304, India www.hive.interconnection.org hivetrust.wordpress.com -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Himalayan Village Education Trust Village Khudgot, P.O. Dalhousie District Chamba H.P. 176304, India www.hive.interconnection.org hivetrust.wordpress.com
Re: [efloraofindia:62836] Sterculia villosa
Rashida ji, i think you are very poor in identification. Before posting anything please get it confirm as you are not a botanists. the posted images are of Sterculia urens and not of Sterculia villosa. ok On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM, rajdeo singh rajdeo.1...@gmail.com wrote: Rashida ji, the posted images are of *Sterculia urens* Roxb. *** Rajdeo Singh Project fellow St. Xavier's College, Mumbai
Re: [efloraofindia:62837] Sterculia villosa
स्नेहल भाई , अरे अरे इतना गुस्सा मत करो यार [?] आदमी है तो भूल तो होनी ही है , चलता है चलता है On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:38 PM, snehal patel snehal.patel...@gmail.comwrote: Rashida ji, i think you are very poor in identification. Before posting anything please get it confirm as you are not a botanists. the posted images are of Sterculia urens and not of Sterculia villosa. ok On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM, rajdeo singh rajdeo.1...@gmail.comwrote: Rashida ji, the posted images are of *Sterculia urens* Roxb. *** Rajdeo Singh Project fellow St. Xavier's College, Mumbai 35D.gif
Re: [efloraofindia:62838] Sterculia villosa
Snehal ji All of us make mistakes, experts or non-botanists alike. In fact the key to fast progress of this group, where most photographs get identified within minutes of posting, is because members on this group (experts and nonexperts alike) don't have any hesitation in throwing a guess, even if it is wild guess. This group is known for great cordiality and mutual respect, and such comments would only come in way of such progress. Rashida ji knows about plants more than many of us, and is an expert in the right sense. I hope you will avoid such comments in future, even for nonbotanists or common members. Let us maintain the dignity of this forum and not give directions to others. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:47 PM, ajinkya gadave ajinkyagad...@gmail.comwrote: स्नेहल भाई , अरे अरे इतना गुस्सा मत करो यार [?] आदमी है तो भूल तो होनी ही है , चलता है चलता है On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:38 PM, snehal patel snehal.patel...@gmail.comwrote: Rashida ji, i think you are very poor in identification. Before posting anything please get it confirm as you are not a botanists. the posted images are of Sterculia urens and not of Sterculia villosa. ok On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM, rajdeo singh rajdeo.1...@gmail.comwrote: Rashida ji, the posted images are of *Sterculia urens* Roxb. *** Rajdeo Singh Project fellow St. Xavier's College, Mumbai 35D.gif
Re: [efloraofindia:62839] Plumbaginaceae: Plumbago indica L.
P.rosea and P. indica are same or not ? On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks a lot for your comment. I am quite touched. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Pankaj ji for another Plumbago, I had not seen. Great to see the protologue and lectotype With these additions I think our database should become a unique resource for Indian Flora. You are a great asset to the group. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Plumbago indica L. Herb. Amboin. (Linn.) 24. 1754. Synonym: Plumbago rosea L. Sp. Pl., ed. 2. 1: 215. 1762. nom. illeg. Family: Plumbaginaceae Lectotype = Radix Vesicatoria in Rumphius, Herb. Amboin., 5: 453, t. 168, 1747 Attachment: 1. Image of plant 2. Protologue - Radix Vesicatoria Herb. Amboin., 5: 453 3. Lectotype - Herb. Amboin., t. 168 Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com
Re: [efloraofindia:62840] Plumbaginaceae: Plumbago indica L.
Yes they are synonyms. I have given that information in my mail. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Vijayadas D dvijaya...@gmail.com wrote: P.rosea and P. indica are same or not ? On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for your comment. I am quite touched. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Pankaj ji for another Plumbago, I had not seen. Great to see the protologue and lectotype With these additions I think our database should become a unique resource for Indian Flora. You are a great asset to the group. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Plumbago indica L. Herb. Amboin. (Linn.) 24. 1754. Synonym: Plumbago rosea L. Sp. Pl., ed. 2. 1: 215. 1762. nom. illeg. Family: Plumbaginaceae Lectotype = Radix Vesicatoria in Rumphius, Herb. Amboin., 5: 453, t. 168, 1747 Attachment: 1. Image of plant 2. Protologue - Radix Vesicatoria Herb. Amboin., 5: 453 3. Lectotype - Herb. Amboin., t. 168 Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62841] Re: Pitcher Plants 2
Hi Dr. Pankaj, The plant in the second last photograph is also a pitcher plant as can be seen from both live and dead pitchers attached to its leaves. Encountered different species of Nepenthes during my sojourn in Sabah Sarawak - the last photograph possibly being of the Rajah Brooke's Pitcher Plant [Nepenthes rajah] - the worlds largest that can hold upto 3.5 litres of water, and am told they were used by locals to steam rice. With regards, Neil Soares. --- On Tue, 2/15/11, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: From: Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:62796] Re: Pitcher Plants 2 To: Neil Soares drneilsoa...@yahoo.com Cc: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 2:22 PM I assume we have more than one species here, and second last one doesnt seem like Nepenthes, but some other genus may be. Thanks a lot for sharing. Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Neil Soares drneilsoa...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Sending a few more photographs. With regards, Neil Soares. Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out. -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Re: [efloraofindia:62842] Plumbaginaceae: Plumbago indica L.
Thanks. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Yes they are synonyms. I have given that information in my mail. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Vijayadas D dvijaya...@gmail.com wrote: P.rosea and P. indica are same or not ? On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for your comment. I am quite touched. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Pankaj ji for another Plumbago, I had not seen. Great to see the protologue and lectotype With these additions I think our database should become a unique resource for Indian Flora. You are a great asset to the group. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Plumbago indica L. Herb. Amboin. (Linn.) 24. 1754. Synonym: Plumbago rosea L. Sp. Pl., ed. 2. 1: 215. 1762. nom. illeg. Family: Plumbaginaceae Lectotype = Radix Vesicatoria in Rumphius, Herb. Amboin., 5: 453, t. 168, 1747 Attachment: 1. Image of plant 2. Protologue - Radix Vesicatoria Herb. Amboin., 5: 453 3. Lectotype - Herb. Amboin., t. 168 Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com
Re: [efloraofindia:62843] Re: Pitcher Plants 2
Yes sir, it is a pitcher plant, but all pitcher plants are not Nepenthes. I said that it doesnt look like Nepenthes. Pitcher plants can be Nepenthes, Cephalotes or Saracenia. Your second last plant can be Cephalotes. I may be wrong though. Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Neil Soares drneilsoa...@yahoo.comwrote: Hi Dr. Pankaj, The plant in the second last photograph is also a pitcher plant as can be seen from both live and dead pitchers attached to its leaves. Encountered different species of Nepenthes during my sojourn in Sabah Sarawak - the last photograph possibly being of the Rajah Brooke's Pitcher Plant [Nepenthes rajah] - the worlds largest that can hold upto 3.5 litres of water, and am told they were used by locals to steam rice. With regards, Neil Soares. --- On *Tue, 2/15/11, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:62796] Re: Pitcher Plants 2 To: Neil Soares drneilsoa...@yahoo.com Cc: indiantreepix@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 2:22 PM I assume we have more than one species here, and second last one doesnt seem like Nepenthes, but some other genus may be. Thanks a lot for sharing. Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:50 PM, Neil Soares drneilsoa...@yahoo.comhttp://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=drneilsoa...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Sending a few more photographs. With regards, Neil Soares. -- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbarhttp://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/alerts you the instant new Mail arrives.Check it out.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49937/*http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flickhttp://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail#newsin no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/?fr=oni_on_mail#news -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62845] Aromatic Asteraceae for id 150211MK3
Seems to be Blumea sp. santhosh On 15 February 2011 13:24, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Please help to identify this Asteraceae member. The location is on the the bank of river at eastern most part of Nilgiris district in TN. The leaves are aromatic and hairy semi-succulent *Date/Time-* 10-02-2011 / 12:30 PM *Location- Place, Altitude, GP* river bank in Nilgiris RF; TN. c 350 msl *Habitat-** Garden**/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-* *Plant Habit-* pubescent herb *Height/Length-* c. 30 cm *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-* c. 15 X 8 cm *Inflorescence Type/ Size-* panicles up to 10cm long; *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-* pink head; c 0.5cm across *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- * *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- * * * -- Muthu Karthick, N Care Earth Trust #15, second main road, Thillai ganga nagar, Chennai - 600 061 Mob: 0091 96268 33911 www.careearthtrust.org -- SANTHOSH -- Dr. E.S. Santhosh Kumar Tropical Botanic Garden and Research Institute, Palode Thiruvananthapuram-695562 Kerala India www.drsanthosh.wetpaint.com
Re: [efloraofindia:62847] Guaiacum officinale L. flowering
We have a white variety of Guaicum in Govt secretariat campus trivandrum, sorry I dont have a photograph with my end. Hope that also belongs to the same species? santhosh On 13 February 2011 13:42, Rashida Atthar atthar.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Guaiacum officinale L. -Lignum vitae seen flowering at Rani baug , Mumbai on 6 Feb. 2011. The small dark blue flowers turn white after fading. regards, Rashida, -- SANTHOSH -- Dr. E.S. Santhosh Kumar Tropical Botanic Garden and Research Institute, Palode Thiruvananthapuram-695562 Kerala India www.drsanthosh.wetpaint.com
Re: [efloraofindia:62850] Plumbaginaceae: Plumbago indica L.
Beautiful. Thanks for sharing sir. Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Pravin Kawale kawale.pra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Closer look of the same Regards On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Vijayadas D dvijaya...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Yes they are synonyms. I have given that information in my mail. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Vijayadas D dvijaya...@gmail.com wrote: P.rosea and P. indica are same or not ? On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for your comment. I am quite touched. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Pankaj ji for another Plumbago, I had not seen. Great to see the protologue and lectotype With these additions I think our database should become a unique resource for Indian Flora. You are a great asset to the group. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Plumbago indica L. Herb. Amboin. (Linn.) 24. 1754. Synonym: Plumbago rosea L. Sp. Pl., ed. 2. 1: 215. 1762. nom. illeg. Family: Plumbaginaceae Lectotype = Radix Vesicatoria in Rumphius, Herb. Amboin., 5: 453, t. 168, 1747 Attachment: 1. Image of plant 2. Protologue - Radix Vesicatoria Herb. Amboin., 5: 453 3. Lectotype - Herb. Amboin., t. 168 Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com -- Pravin -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62851] Plumbaginaceae: Plumbago indica L.
Pravin ji, just beautiful. Very beautiful color and very good foto. - Original Message - From: Pravin Kawale To: Vijayadas D Cc: Pankaj Kumar ; Gurcharan Singh ; indiantreepix Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2011 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:62849] Plumbaginaceae: Plumbago indica L. Hi, Closer look of the same Regards On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Vijayadas D dvijaya...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Yes they are synonyms. I have given that information in my mail. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Vijayadas D dvijaya...@gmail.com wrote: P.rosea and P. indica are same or not ? On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for your comment. I am quite touched. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Pankaj ji for another Plumbago, I had not seen. Great to see the protologue and lectotype With these additions I think our database should become a unique resource for Indian Flora. You are a great asset to the group. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Plumbago indica L. Herb. Amboin. (Linn.) 24. 1754. Synonym: Plumbago rosea L. Sp. Pl., ed. 2. 1: 215. 1762. nom. illeg. Family: Plumbaginaceae Lectotype = Radix Vesicatoria in Rumphius, Herb. Amboin., 5: 453, t. 168, 1747 Attachment: 1. Image of plant 2. Protologue - Radix Vesicatoria Herb. Amboin., 5: 453 3. Lectotype - Herb. Amboin., t. 168 Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com -- Pravin
Re: [efloraofindia:62851] Plumbaginaceae: Plumbago indica L.
Nice pictures, Pravin ji. Regards Vijayasankar Raman National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Na Bha nabha-megh...@gmx.de wrote: Pravin ji, just beautiful. Very beautiful color and very good foto. - Original Message - *From:* Pravin Kawale kawale.pra...@gmail.com *To:* Vijayadas D dvijaya...@gmail.com *Cc:* Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com ; Gurcharan Singhsingh...@gmail.com; indiantreepix indiantreepix@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Tuesday, February 15, 2011 6:39 PM *Subject:* Re: [efloraofindia:62849] Plumbaginaceae: Plumbago indica L. Hi, Closer look of the same Regards On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Vijayadas D dvijaya...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Yes they are synonyms. I have given that information in my mail. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Vijayadas D dvijaya...@gmail.com wrote: P.rosea and P. indica are same or not ? On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for your comment. I am quite touched. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Pankaj ji for another Plumbago, I had not seen. Great to see the protologue and lectotype With these additions I think our database should become a unique resource for Indian Flora. You are a great asset to the group. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Plumbago indica L. Herb. Amboin. (Linn.) 24. 1754. Synonym: Plumbago rosea L. Sp. Pl., ed. 2. 1: 215. 1762. nom. illeg. Family: Plumbaginaceae Lectotype = Radix Vesicatoria in Rumphius, Herb. Amboin., 5: 453, t. 168, 1747 Attachment: 1. Image of plant 2. Protologue - Radix Vesicatoria Herb. Amboin., 5: 453 3. Lectotype - Herb. Amboin., t. 168 Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com -- *Pravin*
Re: [efloraofindia:62853] Orchidee from Ritterhude for ID
Sometimes, it helps if you can imagine how it looks like. Make vague guesses and you can be right, especially with orchids. This is called Octopus Orchid though it doesnt have 8 arms. Prosthechea cochleata Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Na Bha nabha-megh...@gmx.de wrote: Hallo, I don't know what Orchidee this one is. I did not buy it. The story: The supermarkets sell not only everything from paper to chocolate to fish. But they also have flowers and plants on sale. It is a pity because most of the flowers don't see any daylight once they are in the markethall and the staff have no idea at all about how to care for the different flowers. Anyway, this orchidee was on a trolly where there were many other plants, half dead, and not looking healthy. They were sorted out and were to be thrown away. I talked to one woman from the supermarket but she did not allow me to carry the plant. I insisted on talking to the bigboss. He explained me, that they normally don't sell the plants even for half the price or just give them away, to avoid misuse of this practice. Anyway after some discussion he gave me the plant. That is how it is now in my room. After a long time it is flowering now, just three at present but I hope to see more flowers next time. But I don't know the name of it. Experts, plz Id it. Regards Nalini -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62855] Plumbaginaceae: Plumbago indica L.
Today is the Plumbago day!!! :)) Thanks for sharing. Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Prashant awale pkaw...@gmail.com wrote: Thought of sharing my finds as well. Do have a look. regards Prashant On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Pravin Kawale kawale.pra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Closer look of the same Regards On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:40 PM, Vijayadas D dvijaya...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Yes they are synonyms. I have given that information in my mail. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Vijayadas D dvijaya...@gmail.com wrote: P.rosea and P. indica are same or not ? On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks a lot for your comment. I am quite touched. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Pankaj ji for another Plumbago, I had not seen. Great to see the protologue and lectotype With these additions I think our database should become a unique resource for Indian Flora. You are a great asset to the group. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Plumbago indica L. Herb. Amboin. (Linn.) 24. 1754. Synonym: Plumbago rosea L. Sp. Pl., ed. 2. 1: 215. 1762. nom. illeg. Family: Plumbaginaceae Lectotype = Radix Vesicatoria in Rumphius, Herb. Amboin., 5: 453, t. 168, 1747 Attachment: 1. Image of plant 2. Protologue - Radix Vesicatoria Herb. Amboin., 5: 453 3. Lectotype - Herb. Amboin., t. 168 Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com -- Pravin -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62856] ... met Aarti Khale ji at Rani Baug on 9 FEB 11
Dear Dinesh Sir, This is very strange and I couldnt stop laughing at the fact that Inferior trilocular ovary and trimerous arrangement of sepals and petals (tepal is a better word though) is also found in Orchids, so then it means, Orchids should be placed in family Liliaceae according to some??? Secondly, in most of the Liliaceae there are tepals and they are not differentiated into petals and sepals. I got this reply from Dr. Mark W. Chase, still waiting for reply from Vienna. --- Hello Pankaj, Most Asparagales have phytomelan in their seed coats, except for orchids (microseeds with thin seed coats, so no room for phytomelan) and some Asparagaceae (such as Convallaria with a berry, but Asparagus itself does have phytomelan even though it has a berry). No Liliales have this. Liliales has nectaries no located in the septae of the ovary, whereas this is common in Asparagales. There are differences as well in pollen and ovule development , but these are technical. Spotted tepals are frequent in Liliales (as in Alstroemeria and Tricyrtis), but this does not occur in Asparagales, and in the latter blue flowers are common, whereas in Liliales they are rare. Best wishes, Mark -- I will urge members not to force their identity of any plant on others plz. This creates very foul atmosphere in the group. Incorrect identity is not a big deal many top taxonomists in the world go wrong at times and some at many times, but forcing incorrect identity on others is not correct. As I said before, just for example, Dracaena fragrans has so many synonyms and one more interesting thing is, this taxa has been placed in 7 different genera by different authors, e.g., Dracaena fragrans (L.) Ker Gawl, Aletris fragrans L., Aloe fragrantissima Jacq., Pleomele fragrans (L.) Salisb., Sansevieria fragrans (L.) Jacq., Cordyline fragrans (L.) Planch. and Draco fragrans (L.) Kuntze. but that doesnt mean that Linne, Jacquemont, Salisbury, Planchon, Kuntze were fools and Ker Gawl was the most intelligent one. Just that people have their own views which were not being followed by others. If this would have been the case then Linne would have been most infamous guy and so would have been Van Rheede and earlier workers. For me, an EXPERT is the one, who knows his mistakes and corrects it, rather than keep doing more and more mistakes. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you sir for appreciation. I am trying to gather more information, which if I could get before tomorrow evening then its fine or I will share after february. I assume, we are lacking good taxonomists in India for this. I have written a mail to one of my acquaintences at University of Vienna. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Dinesh Valke dinesh.va...@gmail.com wrote: ... wow dear Pankaj .. whatever you have put, must be a deep subject ... but I could read it fearlessly !! Many many thanks for the efforts. Regards Dinesh. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Dinesh sir, Based on molecular analysis as well as morphological differences, by the top experts of the world, the order LILIALES was broken down into three Liliales Asparagales Diosocoreales Asparagales included many of the families, like Orchidaceae, Boryaceae, Blandfordiaceae, Lanariaceae, Asteliaceae, Hypoxidaceae, Ixioliriaceae, Tecophilaeaceae, Doryanthaceae, Iridaceae, Xeronemataceae, Xanthorrhoeaceae sensu lato, Hemerocallidoideae, Xanthorrhoeoideae, Asphodeloideae, Amaryllidaceae sensu lato, Agapanthoideae, Allioideae, Amaryllidoideae and Asparagaceae sensu lato. Asparagaceae inturn was divided into sub families which included many of the earlier families such as subfamily Agavoideae = family Agavaceae and family Hesperocallidaceae subfamily Aphyllanthoideae = family Aphyllanthaceae subfamily Asparagoideae = family Asparagaceae sensu stricto subfamily Brodiaeoideae = family Themidaceae subfamily Lomandroideae = family Laxmanniaceae subfamily Nolinoideae = family Ruscaceae subfamily Scilloideae = family Hyacinthaceae Cordyline belonged Laxmanniaceae which is not under Asparagaceae where as Dracaena belonged to Ruscaceae and earlier Ruscaceae did belong to Liliaceae but that was loong time back and not any more. Some of the basis differences are provided in Wikipedia which are given below. ASPARAGALES: The order is clearly circumscribed on the basis of DNA sequence analysis, but is difficult to define morphologically, since its members are structurally diverse. Thus although most species in the order are herbaceous, some no more than 15 cm high, there are a number of climbers (e.g. some species of Asparagus), as well as several genera forming trees (e.g. Agave, Cordyline, Yucca, Dracaena), some of which can exceed 10 m in height. Succulent genera occur in several families (e.g. Aloe). One
[efloraofindia:62857] Sikkim Trip
Respected Sirs and dear friends, From tomorrow (16th) evening onwards I would be on trip to Delhi and on 18th to Sikkim (Pakyong and Gangtok) and higher altitudes of West Bengal (Kalimpong and Darjeeling) and hence, as usual, I wont be able to contribute much on eflora. From 18th - 21st I would be busy but afterwards (21st - 25th) I will just be roaming around as much as I can. I would be back to Delhi on 25th evening and to Dehradun by 27th. This is going to be my first trip to NE and I am really excited. I would really be interested in meeting any members from Sikkim region during my trip. Anyone interested may call me on +919412368451. Thanks for all your support and encouragement. Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62857] ... met Aarti Khale ji at Rani Baug on 9 FEB 11
Its really good to get enlightened by subject authorities. Thanks Dr.Mark and thanks Dr.Pankaj. Regards Vijayasankar Raman National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Dinesh Sir, This is very strange and I couldnt stop laughing at the fact that Inferior trilocular ovary and trimerous arrangement of sepals and petals (tepal is a better word though) is also found in Orchids, so then it means, Orchids should be placed in family Liliaceae according to some??? Secondly, in most of the Liliaceae there are tepals and they are not differentiated into petals and sepals. I got this reply from Dr. Mark W. Chase, still waiting for reply from Vienna. --- Hello Pankaj, Most Asparagales have phytomelan in their seed coats, except for orchids (microseeds with thin seed coats, so no room for phytomelan) and some Asparagaceae (such as Convallaria with a berry, but Asparagus itself does have phytomelan even though it has a berry). No Liliales have this. Liliales has nectaries no located in the septae of the ovary, whereas this is common in Asparagales. There are differences as well in pollen and ovule development , but these are technical. Spotted tepals are frequent in Liliales (as in Alstroemeria and Tricyrtis), but this does not occur in Asparagales, and in the latter blue flowers are common, whereas in Liliales they are rare. Best wishes, Mark -- I will urge members not to force their identity of any plant on others plz. This creates very foul atmosphere in the group. Incorrect identity is not a big deal many top taxonomists in the world go wrong at times and some at many times, but forcing incorrect identity on others is not correct. As I said before, just for example, Dracaena fragrans has so many synonyms and one more interesting thing is, this taxa has been placed in 7 different genera by different authors, e.g., Dracaena fragrans (L.) Ker Gawl, Aletris fragrans L., Aloe fragrantissima Jacq., Pleomele fragrans (L.) Salisb., Sansevieria fragrans (L.) Jacq., Cordyline fragrans (L.) Planch. and Draco fragrans (L.) Kuntze. but that doesnt mean that Linne, Jacquemont, Salisbury, Planchon, Kuntze were fools and Ker Gawl was the most intelligent one. Just that people have their own views which were not being followed by others. If this would have been the case then Linne would have been most infamous guy and so would have been Van Rheede and earlier workers. For me, an EXPERT is the one, who knows his mistakes and corrects it, rather than keep doing more and more mistakes. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:10 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you sir for appreciation. I am trying to gather more information, which if I could get before tomorrow evening then its fine or I will share after february. I assume, we are lacking good taxonomists in India for this. I have written a mail to one of my acquaintences at University of Vienna. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Dinesh Valke dinesh.va...@gmail.com wrote: ... wow dear Pankaj .. whatever you have put, must be a deep subject ... but I could read it fearlessly !! Many many thanks for the efforts. Regards Dinesh. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Dinesh sir, Based on molecular analysis as well as morphological differences, by the top experts of the world, the order LILIALES was broken down into three Liliales Asparagales Diosocoreales Asparagales included many of the families, like Orchidaceae, Boryaceae, Blandfordiaceae, Lanariaceae, Asteliaceae, Hypoxidaceae, Ixioliriaceae, Tecophilaeaceae, Doryanthaceae, Iridaceae, Xeronemataceae, Xanthorrhoeaceae sensu lato, Hemerocallidoideae, Xanthorrhoeoideae, Asphodeloideae, Amaryllidaceae sensu lato, Agapanthoideae, Allioideae, Amaryllidoideae and Asparagaceae sensu lato. Asparagaceae inturn was divided into sub families which included many of the earlier families such as subfamily Agavoideae = family Agavaceae and family Hesperocallidaceae subfamily Aphyllanthoideae = family Aphyllanthaceae subfamily Asparagoideae = family Asparagaceae sensu stricto subfamily Brodiaeoideae = family Themidaceae subfamily Lomandroideae = family Laxmanniaceae subfamily Nolinoideae = family Ruscaceae subfamily Scilloideae = family Hyacinthaceae Cordyline belonged Laxmanniaceae which is not under Asparagaceae where as Dracaena belonged to Ruscaceae and earlier Ruscaceae did belong to Liliaceae but that was loong time back and not any more. Some of the basis differences are provided in Wikipedia which are given below. ASPARAGALES: The order is clearly circumscribed on the basis of DNA sequence analysis, but is difficult to define morphologically,
[efloraofindia:62859] Re: [itpmods:2133] Sikkim Trip
Your tour program sounds really great! I am missing those trips nowadays[?]. My best wishes for a 'fruitful' (and flowerful!) trip. I had a chance to visit Manipur and i just loved it. Hope you also will thoroughly enjoy your Darjeeling and Sikkim trip. Look forward to see your raining pictures of NE plant wealth. Are you going alone (to Darjeeling)?! Regards Vijayasankar Raman National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Respected Sirs and dear friends, From tomorrow (16th) evening onwards I would be on trip to Delhi and on 18th to Sikkim (Pakyong and Gangtok) and higher altitudes of West Bengal (Kalimpong and Darjeeling) and hence, as usual, I wont be able to contribute much on eflora. From 18th - 21st I would be busy but afterwards (21st - 25th) I will just be roaming around as much as I can. I would be back to Delhi on 25th evening and to Dehradun by 27th. This is going to be my first trip to NE and I am really excited. I would really be interested in meeting any members from Sikkim region during my trip. Anyone interested may call me on +919412368451. Thanks for all your support and encouragement. Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ITPmods group. To post to this group, send an email to itpm...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/itpmods?hl=en-GB. 33A.gif
[efloraofindia:62860] Re: [itpmods:2134] Sikkim Trip
Yeah alone :( you are putting salt on my wounds !! On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Vijayasankar vijay.botan...@gmail.comwrote: Your tour program sounds really great! I am missing those trips nowadays[?] . My best wishes for a 'fruitful' (and flowerful!) trip. I had a chance to visit Manipur and i just loved it. Hope you also will thoroughly enjoy your Darjeeling and Sikkim trip. Look forward to see your raining pictures of NE plant wealth. Are you going alone (to Darjeeling)?! Regards Vijayasankar Raman National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Respected Sirs and dear friends, From tomorrow (16th) evening onwards I would be on trip to Delhi and on 18th to Sikkim (Pakyong and Gangtok) and higher altitudes of West Bengal (Kalimpong and Darjeeling) and hence, as usual, I wont be able to contribute much on eflora. From 18th - 21st I would be busy but afterwards (21st - 25th) I will just be roaming around as much as I can. I would be back to Delhi on 25th evening and to Dehradun by 27th. This is going to be my first trip to NE and I am really excited. I would really be interested in meeting any members from Sikkim region during my trip. Anyone interested may call me on +919412368451. Thanks for all your support and encouragement. Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ITPmods group. To post to this group, send an email to itpm...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/itpmods?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ITPmods group. To post to this group, send an email to itpm...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/itpmods?hl=en-GB. -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India 33A.gif
[efloraofindia:62861] Re: [itpmods:2134] Sikkim Trip
Extremely sorry, that was not meant for public view!!!:P Thanks a lot Dr. Vijay, but hope you are aware of this Gorkhaland agitation going on in that part and the recent bands and killings. Hopefully that doesnt hamper my trip. Hope they dont shoot me :P Yes, I will have 4 days for flower shooting, but its too cold for most of the plants to flower, but hopefully I will find some. Thanks. Regards Pankaj On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah alone :( you are putting salt on my wounds !! On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Vijayasankar vijay.botan...@gmail.comwrote: Your tour program sounds really great! I am missing those trips nowadays [?]. My best wishes for a 'fruitful' (and flowerful!) trip. I had a chance to visit Manipur and i just loved it. Hope you also will thoroughly enjoy your Darjeeling and Sikkim trip. Look forward to see your raining pictures of NE plant wealth. Are you going alone (to Darjeeling)?! Regards Vijayasankar Raman National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Respected Sirs and dear friends, From tomorrow (16th) evening onwards I would be on trip to Delhi and on 18th to Sikkim (Pakyong and Gangtok) and higher altitudes of West Bengal (Kalimpong and Darjeeling) and hence, as usual, I wont be able to contribute much on eflora. From 18th - 21st I would be busy but afterwards (21st - 25th) I will just be roaming around as much as I can. I would be back to Delhi on 25th evening and to Dehradun by 27th. This is going to be my first trip to NE and I am really excited. I would really be interested in meeting any members from Sikkim region during my trip. Anyone interested may call me on +919412368451. Thanks for all your support and encouragement. Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ITPmods group. To post to this group, send an email to itpm...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/itpmods?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ITPmods group. To post to this group, send an email to itpm...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/itpmods?hl=en-GB. -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India 33A.gif
[efloraofindia:62862] Re: [itpmods:2136] Sikkim Trip
Wishing you a safe journey, Dr.Pankaj. Try to have (or hire) a local person to accompany you all the time when you are in NE. It really helps a lot and saves lot of time to deal with guards. Keep sufficient id proof and sanction letter etc. from your department and the local forest dept. We had to show these several times in a day in Manipur. I don't know about the situation here. The safest thing to do in NE is: go with a local guide. I guess you know many botanists from the region. So you shouldn't have any problem. Good luck Regards Vijayasankar Raman National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Extremely sorry, that was not meant for public view!!!:P Thanks a lot Dr. Vijay, but hope you are aware of this Gorkhaland agitation going on in that part and the recent bands and killings. Hopefully that doesnt hamper my trip. Hope they dont shoot me :P Yes, I will have 4 days for flower shooting, but its too cold for most of the plants to flower, but hopefully I will find some. Thanks. Regards Pankaj On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:17 AM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah alone :( you are putting salt on my wounds !! On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:15 AM, Vijayasankar vijay.botan...@gmail.comwrote: Your tour program sounds really great! I am missing those trips nowadays [?]. My best wishes for a 'fruitful' (and flowerful!) trip. I had a chance to visit Manipur and i just loved it. Hope you also will thoroughly enjoy your Darjeeling and Sikkim trip. Look forward to see your raining pictures of NE plant wealth. Are you going alone (to Darjeeling)?! Regards Vijayasankar Raman National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Respected Sirs and dear friends, From tomorrow (16th) evening onwards I would be on trip to Delhi and on 18th to Sikkim (Pakyong and Gangtok) and higher altitudes of West Bengal (Kalimpong and Darjeeling) and hence, as usual, I wont be able to contribute much on eflora. From 18th - 21st I would be busy but afterwards (21st - 25th) I will just be roaming around as much as I can. I would be back to Delhi on 25th evening and to Dehradun by 27th. This is going to be my first trip to NE and I am really excited. I would really be interested in meeting any members from Sikkim region during my trip. Anyone interested may call me on +919412368451. Thanks for all your support and encouragement. Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ITPmods group. To post to this group, send an email to itpm...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/itpmods?hl=en-GB. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ITPmods group. To post to this group, send an email to itpm...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/itpmods?hl=en-GB. -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ITPmods group. To post to this group, send an email to itpm...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/itpmods?hl=en-GB. 33A.gif
Re: [efloraofindia:62863] Orchidee from Ritterhude for ID
Really nice orchid. I also saw several orchids in California stores, but people there know it well how to look after them, or may be they are sold faster. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Sometimes, it helps if you can imagine how it looks like. Make vague guesses and you can be right, especially with orchids. This is called Octopus Orchid though it doesnt have 8 arms. Prosthechea cochleata Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:13 PM, Na Bha nabha-megh...@gmx.de wrote: Hallo, I don't know what Orchidee this one is. I did not buy it. The story: The supermarkets sell not only everything from paper to chocolate to fish. But they also have flowers and plants on sale. It is a pity because most of the flowers don't see any daylight once they are in the markethall and the staff have no idea at all about how to care for the different flowers. Anyway, this orchidee was on a trolly where there were many other plants, half dead, and not looking healthy. They were sorted out and were to be thrown away. I talked to one woman from the supermarket but she did not allow me to carry the plant. I insisted on talking to the bigboss. He explained me, that they normally don't sell the plants even for half the price or just give them away, to avoid misuse of this practice. Anyway after some discussion he gave me the plant. That is how it is now in my room. After a long time it is flowering now, just three at present but I hope to see more flowers next time. But I don't know the name of it. Experts, plz Id it. Regards Nalini -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62870] ID Plz_171210_Ritesh03
Yes Pleauspermum brunonis only -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 12:56 PM, J.M. Garg jmga...@gmail.com wrote: Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. Some earlier relevant feedback: “Dear look this plant in family *Apiaceae*” FROM aNIL JI. “*I think Pleurospermum brunonis* -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh” -- Forwarded message -- From: Ritesh Kumar Choudhary ritesh@gmail.com Date: 17 December 2010 12:14 Subject: [efloraofindia:57173] ID Plz_171210_Ritesh03 To: efloraofindia indiantreepix@googlegroups.com ID Plz, Locality: On way to Churdhar (ca 1500m); Himachal Pradesh. Date: August, 2010. Regards, Ritesh. -- With regards, J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora Fauna' The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand species* eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. You can also use them for free as per Creative Commons license attached with each image. For identification, learning, discussion documentation of Indian Flora, please visit/ join our Google e-group- Efloraofindia: http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix or https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ (more than 1500 members 60,000 messages on 15/1/11 with a database of around 4450 species on 15/12/10)
[efloraofindia:62873] Re: [itpmods:2137] Sikkim Trip
Wish you a happy safe and flowerfull journey. One of my friend is there in darjeeling Area Major (Dr) Nepal. I may ask him to help if you need. Best of Luck and Best of Journey -- Regards Dr Balkar Singh Head, Deptt. of Botany and Biotechnology Arya P G College, Panipat Haryana-132103 09416262964
Re: [efloraofindia:62874] Sterculia villosa
Yeah very true I know Rashida personally, she has immense interest in knowing plantslearning about it scientifically she has got lot of knowledge too, in addition she is very nice human being, she has supported me lot when i was depressed, I am her big fan therefore i want to say something Any one can make mistake In fact accurate identification of plants on the basis of just picture may be possible for many plants but not all even then it gives you clue for further accurate identification...so we all make mistakes.. we ask for apologies are, forgiven toolet us argue when ever necessary let us fight but fight fair ..without insulting or hurting each other If you are expert, you should have politely corrected her, thats the correct way Forget it all now Let us be good friends and Learn from each other [?] On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Vijayasankar vijay.botan...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, mutual respect and cordiality are the keys for the success of this group. We have no differences like experts and non-experts in this group and every member is equal. If we are uncomfortable with the id, we should try to correct it in a healthy way with a scientific basis. We must never critisize a person's capabilities. We may argue about the science of the subject just to make it authentic. I was shocked to read your statement. Because i have also misidentified (unintentionally, of course) pictures several times. Because we try to identify the plants just by seeing the pictures. And we correct ourselves when someone else provides with correct id. And we also don't react and give back for such unusual comments. That's our another strength! Please don't take it as an advice. Just wanted to express my views. Regards Vijayasankar Raman National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.comwrote: Snehal ji All of us make mistakes, experts or non-botanists alike. In fact the key to fast progress of this group, where most photographs get identified within minutes of posting, is because members on this group (experts and nonexperts alike) don't have any hesitation in throwing a guess, even if it is wild guess. This group is known for great cordiality and mutual respect, and such comments would only come in way of such progress. Rashida ji knows about plants more than many of us, and is an expert in the right sense. I hope you will avoid such comments in future, even for nonbotanists or common members. Let us maintain the dignity of this forum and not give directions to others. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:47 PM, ajinkya gadave ajinkyagad...@gmail.comwrote: स्नेहल भाई , अरे अरे इतना गुस्सा मत करो यार [?] आदमी है तो भूल तो होनी ही है , चलता है चलता है On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:38 PM, snehal patel snehal.patel...@gmail.com wrote: Rashida ji, i think you are very poor in identification. Before posting anything please get it confirm as you are not a botanists. the posted images are of Sterculia urens and not of Sterculia villosa. ok On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM, rajdeo singh rajdeo.1...@gmail.comwrote: Rashida ji, the posted images are of *Sterculia urens* Roxb. *** Rajdeo Singh Project fellow St. Xavier's College, Mumbai -- Smita raskar 308 Disha Residency, Salaiwada,Sawantwadi Mob.9763989639 35D.gif330.gif
Re: [efloraofindia:62875] Re: Erithrina sp. flowering
Thanks Satish Pardeshi ji for the species ID . regards, Rashida. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Pardeshi S. satishparde...@gmail.comwrote: This is Erythrina stricta. can be easily identified on the shape and size of the Keel petal. common in Sanjay Gandhi National Park, Mumbai Regards Satish Pardehsi On Feb 15, 9:41 am, Rashida Atthar atthar.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Alok ji. This is seen towards the edge of the forest. It is dry right now. regards, Rashida. Alok On Feb 12, 5:36 am, Rashida Atthar atthar.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Here's the first flowering of Erythrinia with a visitor seen at the south end of the forest in Mumbai - most likely Erythrinia variegata L. The bark has vertical lines and prickles on trunk and young branches- Request validation. regards, Rashida. Erythrinia sp. and tailor bird.JPG 149KViewDownload
Re: [efloraofindia:62877] Another Polygonaceae for id 150211MK2
Thanks for correcting me Tanay , Amit On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:33 PM, tanay bose tanaybos...@gmail.com wrote: Persicaria hydropiper Tanay On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:48 AM, amit chauhan amitci...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Can it be Persicaria hydropiper On 2/15/11, Smita Raskar smita.ras...@gmail.com wrote: Can be polygonum glabrum plz validate On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Kindly help to identify this Polygonaceae member. The location is on the perennial river [Moyar] at eastern most part of Nilgiris district in TN. I also recorded this plant in Mudumalai wls at an altitude of c 800msl in a riverine patch. *Date/Time-* 10-02-2011 / 1:00 PM *Location- Place, Altitude, GP* river in Nilgiris RF; TN. c 350 msl *Habitat-** Garden**/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-* wild, riparian *Plant Habit-* herb *Height/Length-* c. 70 cm *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-* c. 7 X 2 cm *Inflorescence Type/ Size-* raceme; up to 6cm long *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-* pink; c 0.3cm across *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- * *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- * * * -- Muthu Karthick, N Care Earth Trust #15, second main road, Thillai ganga nagar, Chennai - 600 061 Mob: 0091 96268 33911 www.careearthtrust.org -- Smita raskar 308 Disha Residency, Salaiwada,Sawantwadi Mob.9763989639 -- Dr. Amit Chauhan Junior Technical Assistant Central Institute of Medicinal and Aromatic Plants, Research Centre, Pantnagar, PO Dairy Farm Nagla, Pantnagar, Udham Singh Nagar, Uttarakhand 263149 ph.05944 234445 mob.+919412161087 mail: amitci...@gmail.com amitci...@rediffmail.com amit.chau...@cimap.res.in -- *Tanay Bose* Research Assistant Teaching Assistant. Department of Botany. University of British Columbia . 3529-6270 University Blvd. Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) 604-822-2019 (Lab) 604-822-6089 (Fax) ta...@interchange.ubc.ca *Webpages:* http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ -- Smita raskar 308 Disha Residency, Salaiwada,Sawantwadi Mob.9763989639
[efloraofindia:62878] Re: [itpmods:2133] Sikkim Trip
Best wishes, Vijayadas On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:32 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Respected Sirs and dear friends, From tomorrow (16th) evening onwards I would be on trip to Delhi and on 18th to Sikkim (Pakyong and Gangtok) and higher altitudes of West Bengal (Kalimpong and Darjeeling) and hence, as usual, I wont be able to contribute much on eflora. From 18th - 21st I would be busy but afterwards (21st - 25th) I will just be roaming around as much as I can. I would be back to Delhi on 25th evening and to Dehradun by 27th. This is going to be my first trip to NE and I am really excited. I would really be interested in meeting any members from Sikkim region during my trip. Anyone interested may call me on +919412368451. Thanks for all your support and encouragement. Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups ITPmods group. To post to this group, send an email to itpm...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to itpmods+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/itpmods?hl=en-GB. -- Vijayadas D Horticulturist EstateSupervisorDeputy Salwa Garden Village, PB -7210 Riyadh -11462 , KSA vijayadas.wetpaint.com
Re: [efloraofindia:62879] Sikkim Trip
Dear Pankaj, Seems to be a very adventurous journey. Probably you can make a documentary on of your trip. Good luck for your trip. Sid. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Respected Sirs and dear friends, From tomorrow (16th) evening onwards I would be on trip to Delhi and on 18th to Sikkim (Pakyong and Gangtok) and higher altitudes of West Bengal (Kalimpong and Darjeeling) and hence, as usual, I wont be able to contribute much on eflora. From 18th - 21st I would be busy but afterwards (21st - 25th) I will just be roaming around as much as I can. I would be back to Delhi on 25th evening and to Dehradun by 27th. This is going to be my first trip to NE and I am really excited. I would really be interested in meeting any members from Sikkim region during my trip. Anyone interested may call me on +919412368451. Thanks for all your support and encouragement. Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62880] Sikkim Trip
Thanks a lot Dr. Vijay, Dr. Amit, Dr. Viay 2 :), Dr. Sid for the good wishes. Will see if I need someone then I will contact people appropriately, though I also have some of my own contacts outside the group. Regards Pankaj On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:14 AM, Sid sidd...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Pankaj, Seems to be a very adventurous journey. Probably you can make a documentary on of your trip. Good luck for your trip. Sid. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 3:32 AM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Respected Sirs and dear friends, From tomorrow (16th) evening onwards I would be on trip to Delhi and on 18th to Sikkim (Pakyong and Gangtok) and higher altitudes of West Bengal (Kalimpong and Darjeeling) and hence, as usual, I wont be able to contribute much on eflora. From 18th - 21st I would be busy but afterwards (21st - 25th) I will just be roaming around as much as I can. I would be back to Delhi on 25th evening and to Dehradun by 27th. This is going to be my first trip to NE and I am really excited. I would really be interested in meeting any members from Sikkim region during my trip. Anyone interested may call me on +919412368451. Thanks for all your support and encouragement. Regards Pankaj -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62882] Re: thorny Euphorbia sp.
Yes Pankajji, the environmental factors might play a role in the morphology of this genus. From Singhji's statement and Rashidaji's pictures, its clear that this *Euphorbia antiquorum* have much variations. However the plant does not matches with *E.royleana*. What I had posted are young and old plants of the same species. Many thanks Pankajji, Singhji and Rashidaji for your informative links and inputs. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for sharing the pic and link. I understood what you meant. I just imagine if those contractions and swelling are due to environmental factors or that is a consistent character of this taxa? because that character is also evident in image of the Lectotype. Undoubtedly Euphorbias are complicated!! Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.comwrote: Here is my photograph where you can see both young and old branches in the same plant. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.comwrote: Pankaj ji Perhaps this image should clarify what I meant by straight and spirally running wings. E. tortilis has spirally running and E. antiquorum straight. http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=2860osCsid=gm3v4gonrocedtfv9d3c9kqnn4 http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=2860osCsid=gm3v4gonrocedtfv9d3c9kqnn4If you look carefully the type specimen cited by you also has straight wings. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for the detail. I totally forgot about neriifolia. If you look at the second group of pics shared by Mr. Muthu, I think there are two species. Secondly, in the lectotype, the wings are not straight. I have seen both of these plants myself in gardens, and I always thought one of them to be hybrid. But you are more experienced so you must be having a better idea. Thanks again. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.comwrote: Muthu ji Your two sets of plants seem to be the same E. antiquorum , only the matter of older and younger branches: All have distinctly 3-winged stems with straight wings. Rashida ji your first three plants are E. antiquorum without any doubt, but there is no reason to confuse the fourth photograph. It is without any wings and with spines which are spirally arranged. It should be E. neriifolia. This key from Flora of China should help in separating often confused species 4 (3)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-3 Stems ± terete, leaves inserted on spirally arranged tubercles, spine shield widely separated. 29 *E. neriifolia*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321485 +Stems winged or ribbed, leaves arranged along ribs, spines shields often ± contiguous (5)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-5 5 (4)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-4 Stem 3(or 4)-winged, wings thin and irregularly dentate, 1-2 cm wide. 30 *E. antiquorum*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=220005106+Stem 5-7-angular, angles impressed and flat, irregularly repand-dentate. 31 *E. royleanahttp://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511 * * * *http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511 ** -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ * On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Just wanted to add. Euphorbia is a very big group and one most interesting thing is, the genus Euphorbia has two type species, Euphorbia antiquorum and Euphirbia serrata. I never heard a genus with two types before. If anyone else knows then please do add to our information. Kew has a list of around over 5000 names of which only ~2000 names are accepted. That itself depicts the taxonomic complications here. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Muthu Here is the lectotype of Euphorbia antiquorum L. Lectotype : Herb. Clifford: 196, Euphorbia 1 (BM-000628669) Designated by: Wijnands in Bot. Commelins :
Re: [efloraofindia:62883] Re: thorny Euphorbia sp.
Dear Muthu Yes, I also think that just because of dryness the tip of these plants do get constricted and at the same time, the wings on the stem get constricted as well. But there are some taxa in Euphorbia and others too, in which such characters are genotypic. Hope you understand my point there. Yes the plant was not E. royleana. As I said before, I completely forgot about E. neriifolia. Euphorbia is very complicated, jut put together Euphorbia thymifolia and Euphorbia cotinifolia and without flowers and latex, you dont find anything common!! Regards Pankaj On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Yes Pankajji, the environmental factors might play a role in the morphology of this genus. From Singhji's statement and Rashidaji's pictures, its clear that this *Euphorbia antiquorum* have much variations. However the plant does not matches with *E.royleana*. What I had posted are young and old plants of the same species. Many thanks Pankajji, Singhji and Rashidaji for your informative links and inputs. On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 6:15 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for sharing the pic and link. I understood what you meant. I just imagine if those contractions and swelling are due to environmental factors or that is a consistent character of this taxa? because that character is also evident in image of the Lectotype. Undoubtedly Euphorbias are complicated!! Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.comwrote: Here is my photograph where you can see both young and old branches in the same plant. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.comwrote: Pankaj ji Perhaps this image should clarify what I meant by straight and spirally running wings. E. tortilis has spirally running and E. antiquorum straight. http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=2860osCsid=gm3v4gonrocedtfv9d3c9kqnn4 http://www.aridlands.com/catalog/popup_image.php?pID=2860osCsid=gm3v4gonrocedtfv9d3c9kqnn4If you look carefully the type specimen cited by you also has straight wings. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks for the detail. I totally forgot about neriifolia. If you look at the second group of pics shared by Mr. Muthu, I think there are two species. Secondly, in the lectotype, the wings are not straight. I have seen both of these plants myself in gardens, and I always thought one of them to be hybrid. But you are more experienced so you must be having a better idea. Thanks again. Regards Pankaj On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.comwrote: Muthu ji Your two sets of plants seem to be the same E. antiquorum , only the matter of older and younger branches: All have distinctly 3-winged stems with straight wings. Rashida ji your first three plants are E. antiquorum without any doubt, but there is no reason to confuse the fourth photograph. It is without any wings and with spines which are spirally arranged. It should be E. neriifolia. This key from Flora of China should help in separating often confused species 4 (3)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-3 Stems ± terete, leaves inserted on spirally arranged tubercles, spine shield widely separated. 29 *E. neriifolia*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321485 +Stems winged or ribbed, leaves arranged along ribs, spines shields often ± contiguous (5)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-5 5 (4)http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=112355#KEY-1-4 Stem 3(or 4)-winged, wings thin and irregularly dentate, 1-2 cm wide. 30 *E. antiquorum*http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=220005106+Stem 5-7-angular, angles impressed and flat, irregularly repand-dentate. 31 *E. royleanahttp://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511 * * * *http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2taxon_id=242321511 ** -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ * On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.com wrote: Just wanted to add.
Re: [efloraofindia:62889] Sterculia villosa
Thnakyou for your kind words Dr. Gurcharan ji and Smita ji. Thanks also to Dr Gurcharan ji and Dr. Vijayashankar ji for the efforts you make in maintinaing the dignity and cordial atmosphere of this wonderful group. We are indeed blessed to first of all have someone like Garg ji conceive and start such a group, and than have veterans like you to guide the group through. Let me draw an analogy here- whenever one is walking and enjoying the nature blissfully, everything in its place working in harmony, suddenly out of the blue a bee or fly comes, stings you badly and goes off. You are left hurt and distracted for a while, but soon start enjoyng nature again and realize that for a bee you ar just food! Only in my case too many stings are coming my way too often.!! regards, Rashida On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Smita Raskar smita.ras...@gmail.comwrote: Yeah very true I know Rashida personally, she has immense interest in knowing plantslearning about it scientifically she has got lot of knowledge too, in addition she is very nice human being, she has supported me lot when i was depressed, I am her big fan therefore i want to say something Any one can make mistake In fact accurate identification of plants on the basis of just picture may be possible for many plants but not all even then it gives you clue for further accurate identification...so we all make mistakes.. we ask for apologies are, forgiven toolet us argue when ever necessary let us fight but fight fair ..without insulting or hurting each other If you are expert, you should have politely corrected her, thats the correct way Forget it all now Let us be good friends and Learn from each other [?] On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Vijayasankar vijay.botan...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, mutual respect and cordiality are the keys for the success of this group. We have no differences like experts and non-experts in this group and every member is equal. If we are uncomfortable with the id, we should try to correct it in a healthy way with a scientific basis. We must never critisize a person's capabilities. We may argue about the science of the subject just to make it authentic. I was shocked to read your statement. Because i have also misidentified (unintentionally, of course) pictures several times. Because we try to identify the plants just by seeing the pictures. And we correct ourselves when someone else provides with correct id. And we also don't react and give back for such unusual comments. That's our another strength! Please don't take it as an advice. Just wanted to express my views. Regards Vijayasankar Raman National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Gurcharan Singh singh...@gmail.comwrote: Snehal ji All of us make mistakes, experts or non-botanists alike. In fact the key to fast progress of this group, where most photographs get identified within minutes of posting, is because members on this group (experts and nonexperts alike) don't have any hesitation in throwing a guess, even if it is wild guess. This group is known for great cordiality and mutual respect, and such comments would only come in way of such progress. Rashida ji knows about plants more than many of us, and is an expert in the right sense. I hope you will avoid such comments in future, even for nonbotanists or common members. Let us maintain the dignity of this forum and not give directions to others. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:47 PM, ajinkya gadave ajinkyagad...@gmail.com wrote: स्नेहल भाई , अरे अरे इतना गुस्सा मत करो यार [?] आदमी है तो भूल तो होनी ही है , चलता है चलता है On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:38 PM, snehal patel snehal.patel...@gmail.com wrote: Rashida ji, i think you are very poor in identification. Before posting anything please get it confirm as you are not a botanists. the posted images are of Sterculia urens and not of Sterculia villosa. ok On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:13 PM, rajdeo singh rajdeo.1...@gmail.comwrote: Rashida ji, the posted images are of *Sterculia urens* Roxb. *** Rajdeo Singh Project fellow St. Xavier's College, Mumbai -- Smita raskar 308 Disha Residency, Salaiwada,Sawantwadi Mob.9763989639 35D.gif330.gif
Re: [efloraofindia:62890] Sterculia villosa
Rashida ji, In Ranibaug where u took the pictures of Sterculia urens, in that same compound there is also a tree of Sterculia villosa. --- Rajdeo Singh Project fellow St. Xavier's College, Mumbai
Re: [efloraofindia:62891] Sterculia villosa
People make mistakes, not a big deal. Being a moderator, I will request this thread to be closed here. Members are requested not to post anything further in this thread. This is to maintain peace and harmony in the group. Regards Pankaj On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:57 PM, rajdeo singh rajdeo.1...@gmail.com wrote: Rashida ji, In Ranibaug where u took the pictures of Sterculia urens, in that same compound there is also a tree of Sterculia villosa. --- Rajdeo Singh Project fellow St. Xavier's College, Mumbai -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62892] Sterculia villosa
Yes Rajdeo ji. Both the Sterculias are posted from that section, near the entrance near the kala Ghoda right? regards, Rashida. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:57 PM, rajdeo singh rajdeo.1...@gmail.comwrote: Rashida ji, In Ranibaug where u took the pictures of Sterculia urens, in that same compound there is also a tree of Sterculia villosa. --- Rajdeo Singh Project fellow St. Xavier's College, Mumbai
Re: [efloraofindia:62893] Sterculia villosa
Dr.Pankaj, I too am amoderator of this group. No one is fighting over here. I would like this thread to be kept open for a while. I have posed two queries to Rajdeo ji for which I am waiting a response. regards, Rashida. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Rashida Atthar atthar.rash...@gmail.comwrote: Yes Rajdeo ji. Both the Sterculias are posted from that section, near the entrance near the kala Ghoda right? regards, Rashida. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:57 PM, rajdeo singh rajdeo.1...@gmail.comwrote: Rashida ji, In Ranibaug where u took the pictures of Sterculia urens, in that same compound there is also a tree of Sterculia villosa. --- Rajdeo Singh Project fellow St. Xavier's College, Mumbai
Re: [efloraofindia:62894] Sterculia villosa
No mam, you can post it in a different thread. Rajdeo is also a moderator and I have requested him not to reply here and he agreed. You may open another thread and share more pics. Regards Pankaj On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Rashida Atthar atthar.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Dr.Pankaj, I too am amoderator of this group. No one is fighting over here. I would like this thread to be kept open for a while. I have posed two queries to Rajdeo ji for which I am waiting a response. regards, Rashida. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Rashida Atthar atthar.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Rajdeo ji. Both the Sterculias are posted from that section, near the entrance near the kala Ghoda right? regards, Rashida. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:57 PM, rajdeo singh rajdeo.1...@gmail.com wrote: Rashida ji, In Ranibaug where u took the pictures of Sterculia urens, in that same compound there is also a tree of Sterculia villosa. --- Rajdeo Singh Project fellow St. Xavier's College, Mumbai -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62895] Sterculia villosa
This is unacceptable behaviour Dr. Pankaj. It is my thread and I am a moderator and I want the response on this thread only. Why are you dictating terms to me ? regards, Rashida. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Pankaj Kumar sahanipan...@gmail.comwrote: No mam, you can post it in a different thread. Rajdeo is also a moderator and I have requested him not to reply here and he agreed. You may open another thread and share more pics. Regards Pankaj On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Rashida Atthar atthar.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Dr.Pankaj, I too am amoderator of this group. No one is fighting over here. I would like this thread to be kept open for a while. I have posed two queries to Rajdeo ji for which I am waiting a response. regards, Rashida. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Rashida Atthar atthar.rash...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Rajdeo ji. Both the Sterculias are posted from that section, near the entrance near the kala Ghoda right? regards, Rashida. On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:57 PM, rajdeo singh rajdeo.1...@gmail.com wrote: Rashida ji, In Ranibaug where u took the pictures of Sterculia urens, in that same compound there is also a tree of Sterculia villosa. --- Rajdeo Singh Project fellow St. Xavier's College, Mumbai -- *** TAXONOMISTS GETTING EXTINCT AND SPECIES DATA DEFICIENT !! Pankaj Kumar Ph.D. (Orchidaceae) Research Associate Greater Kailash Sacred Landscape Project Department of Habitat Ecology Wildlife Institute of India Post Box # 18 Dehradun - 248001, India
Re: [efloraofindia:62896] Scrophulariaceae for id 140211MK3
A reply from Satish Pardeshiji --Looks like *Lindernia parviflora*. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: kottai muthu kottaimu...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [efloraofindia:62719] Scrophulariaceae for id 140211MK3 To: Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com It could be Lindernia and very closely resembles both L. rotundifolia, L. crustacea Sincerely R. Kottaimuthu On 2/14/11, Muthu Karthick nmk@gmail.com wrote: Dear all, Please help to identify this Scrophulariaceae herb found on river bank. I already requested id of the same species in a different place here: https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix/browse_thread/thread/dda995370b20a180/1cd6ebe80630341d?hl=enlnk=gstq=Tirunelveli#1cd6ebe80630341d *Date/Time-* 10-02-2011 / 11:00 AM *Location- Place, Altitude, GPS* river-shore in Satyamangalam RF; TN. c 350 msl *Habitat-** Garden**/ Urban/ Wild/ Type-* wet shore *Plant Habit-* Prostrate herb *Height/Length-* c. 15 cm *Leaves Type/ Shape/ Size-* c. 1.5 X 0.5 cm; sessile *Inflorescence Type/ Size-* solitary *Flowers Size/ Colour/ Calyx/ Bracts-* light violet; 0.5cm across *Fruits Type/ Shape/ Size Seeds- * *Other Information like Fragrance, Pollinator, Uses etc.- * * * -- Muthu Karthick, N Care Earth Trust #15, second main road, Thillai ganga nagar, Chennai - 600 061 Mob: 09626833911 www.careearthtrust.org -- Muthu Karthick, N Care Earth Trust #15, second main road, Thillai ganga nagar, Chennai - 600 061 Mob: 09626833911 www.careearthtrust.org -- Muthu Karthick, N Care Earth Trust #15, second main road, Thillai ganga nagar, Chennai - 600 061 Mob: 0091 96268 33911 www.careearthtrust.org
