Stan Vass wrote:
It's amazing to me this has become such a long discussion. The facts are
simple:
1) People don't ask for the other parse errors even half as often as
they as for T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM
2) They do so because it looks like gibberish to them, so it looks
unlikely to be a common
Jonathan Bond-Caron wrote:
On Fri Aug 20 06:54 AM, Jean-Sébastien H. wrote:
No it's wrong.
A Child is a Parent so we must be able to pass a Parent to the method
equals() defined on Child.
The declaration of the parent functions must always be valid in the
children.
Maybe my OO theory
Johannes Schlüter wrote:
On Thu, 2010-08-19 at 01:13 -0700, Stas Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
I was under the impression that, in order for inheritance to provide
proper polymorphism, overridden methods should share the parent's method
signature, although they can have additional optional arguments.
Zeev Suraski wrote:
At 17:04 19/08/2010, Ionut G. Stan wrote:
I can't call Child::foo() with an instance of Taz, but I can call
Parent::foo() with such an instance. So, I can't use instances of
Child wherever instances of Parent would be accepted.
Child should clearly not be allowed to
Chris Stockton wrote:
Hello,
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Guys, this is going a bit nuts, let's swap all the Foo and Bar's for a real
example - Zeev I've copied the way you specified above.
I think your misunderstanding his position. To summarize
postmas...@colder.ch wrote:
- Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
class Point2DManager {
public function distanceBetween( Point2D $p1 , Point2D $p2 ) {};
}
class Point3DManager extends Point2DManager {
public function distanceBetween( Point3D $p1 , Point3D $p2
Hi All,
Wondering if there is any support for SPKAC [1] in the openssl extension
for PHP?
If not is it planned, and if not can it be? KEYGEN/SPKAC support is
growing in the UA vendors and KEYGEN is part of HTML5, being the
preferred way to generate client side SSL certificates since the
as to why you need this feature within PHP. I would
expect that web server administrators typically need such feature but
I am missing the context of it within PHP script engine.
- Sriram
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 2:05 AM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi All,
Wondering if there is any support
Richard Lynch wrote:
I have taken the liberty of making an RFC for this:
http://wiki.php.net/rfc/url_dots
Feel free to add/edit it as fit, particularly since it's my first use
of that RFC wiki, and I'm not good at wiki markup, and I probably
missed something from this thread.
I
Tim Starling wrote:
Stan Vassilev wrote:
I hope PHP6 will remove this processing as register_globals will be
completely removed at that point.
I'd be happy if it stayed like it is, for backwards compatibility.
Sometimes forwards compatibility has to take precedence though.
Linked data is
Alexey Zakhlestin wrote:
On 21.01.2010, at 18:21, Richard Lynch wrote:
For BC, I suppose PHP could have *both* 'a.b' and 'a_b', or yet
another php.ini flag (sorry!) to choose the behaviour.
-1 from me.
I don't think we need to keep backward compatibility for this. PHP-6 is a
major
Dots and spaces in variable names are converted to underscores. For
example input name=a.b / becomes $_POST[a_b].
Any reason why? and any way to modify this behaviour to preserve dots
and spaces? (dots specifically)
reason, when building linked data / rdf based applications using PHP
it's most
Jonathan Tapicer wrote:
Hi,
Matt's approach works also for your usecase, casting to array returns
all the properties of the class and base classes, but it has some
problems: for private properties the class name is added before the
property name, and for protected properties * is added, both
Hi All,
hoping somebody can help me here..
I need to implement an inverted __sleep method, by which I mean to
specify what variables should not be included.
use case:
?php
class base
{
private $notToBeSerialized;
public function __sleep()
{
// TODO code return instance properties
Matt Wilson wrote:
get_class_vars + array_diff
cheers but nope; as the manual says
Returns an associative array of default public properties of the class
need private and inherited private
On May 31, 2009, at 8:04 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote:
Hi All,
hoping somebody can help me here..
I
]=
string(1) a
[3]=
string(1) d
}
On May 31, 2009, at 8:46 PM, Nathan Rixham wrote:
Matt Wilson wrote:
get_class_vars + array_diff
cheers but nope; as the manual says
Returns an associative array of default public properties of the class
need private and inherited private
On May 31, 2009
Michael Shadle wrote:
To me, it basically creates some laziness and reintroduces a vector on
the register_globals issue.
I've been using $_GET $_POST $_COOKIE $_SESSION $_SERVER etc. since
they were introduced, and have never had any problems. Was there a
reasoning behind making a variable that
Christian Schneider wrote:
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
On 21.01.2009, at 12:00, Karsten Dambekalns wrote:
On 21.01.2009 11:44 Uhr, Kenan R Sulayman wrote:
I did propose the function because the construction in user-land is
quite
expensive;
Reflection is expensive, indeed. The way we solved it
Christian Schneider wrote:
Nathan Rixham wrote:
seems to me that many of the new requests coming in, including my own
stupid ones are because people want to build fast decent orm's in php -
Having built an ORM system myself I can say that you don't need
Reflection (or even other fancy
Nathan Rixham wrote:
Project: PHP Common Objects and Datatypes
wrong list - forget; meant for general!
sorry - having a good week - and it's monday. *sigh*
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first off; had a rather in-depth (but lacking when it comes to internal
input) over on the general list; has been interesting.
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
On 17.01.2009, at 18:06, Nathan Rixham wrote:
a: Optional Static Typing
I'm finding an ever increasingly need to be able to staticly type
Hannes Magnusson wrote:
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 17:42, Lukas Kahwe Smith m...@pooteeweet.org wrote:
On 17.01.2009, at 18:06, Nathan Rixham wrote:
a: Optional Static Typing
I'm finding an ever increasingly need to be able to staticly type
properties, parameters, return types etc (in classes) I
Robin Burchell wrote:
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 9:39 PM, Nathan Rixham nrix...@gmail.com wrote:
I've reworded my original mail completely maybe this one will have more
feedback (or not)
question: Would anybody else like to see, or feel the need for, *optional*
type hinting of variables and class
Afternoon all,
Recently I've been running in to a lot of frustrations with PHP, don't
get me wrong I love the language, but I just can't do what I *need* to
in a few situations, specifically when dealing with Classes and Objects.
I strongly feel that these need added in to PHP 6, for
Hi All,
Figured this was for internals before opening up a bug report.
In php 5.2.8 on windows and linux (only ones tested so far)
when you add in a value to open_basedir in either php.ini or a
vhosts.conf file; *relative* paths suddenly do not work for the
php_value error_log specified in a
Nathan Rixham wrote:
Hi All,
Figured this was for internals before opening up a bug report.
In php 5.2.8 on windows and linux (only ones tested so far)
when you add in a value to open_basedir in either php.ini or a
vhosts.conf file; *relative* paths suddenly do not work for the
php_value
Jani Taskinen wrote:
Nathan Rixham wrote:
with php.ini/vhosts.conf open_basedir set
these values in .htaccess WILL NOT work
php_flag log_errors on
php_value error_log logfile.txt
these values in vhosts.conf WILL work
php_flag log_errors on
php_value error_log logfile.txt
Nathan Rixham wrote:
Jani Taskinen wrote:
Nathan Rixham wrote:
with php.ini/vhosts.conf open_basedir set
these values in .htaccess WILL NOT work
php_flag log_errors on
php_value error_log logfile.txt
these values in vhosts.conf WILL work
php_flag log_errors on
php_value error_log logfile.txt
I just threw the christmas tree out, came online and noticed that the
decorations are still up on the php.net site; any idea when they're
coming down?
ho-ho-ho etc
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Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
While I whole heartedly agree with the idea, I am not sure its a good
thing to do in 5.2 branch. I'd like to hear more feedback on that topic
before making the decision. The only mitigating factor is that it will
only affect new users since upgrading the release does
Marco Tabini wrote:
On 6-Jan-09, at 11:49 AM, Ilia Alshanetsky wrote:
I'm ok with doing for 5.3, most people when upgrade rarely look at the
INI file especially if the update is done through a distribution's
package management system.
Not to barge in, but many people won't consider 5.2 -
Robin Burchell wrote:
Just a random thought I have from reading over that:
Would it not be more 'natural' to change 'function' to indicate a
method with a variant return type, and allow e.g.
'int somefunc()' instead of 'function (int) somefunc()' to indicate an
int return?
it would break
Robin Burchell wrote:
Hmm. How would it break it?
By leaving 'function' to mean variant, it's only adding new
functionality by overriding types to replace 'function', which should
have no issue with older code, surely?
To clarify:
current method declaration:
function foo()
public static
2008/12/18 Dave Ingram d...@dmi.me.uk
Also, what about this case:
class MyTestClass {
public function blah(Foo $f);
public function blah(Bar $b);
public function blah($v);
}
I would argue that the most specific function should be called, but how
costly would that be to determine?
Dave Ingram wrote:
I remember that multiple signatures was said to have a possible very
difficult implementation. However, a similar behaviour can be achieved by
some instanceof().
I thought it probably would be awkward, but we do already have some type
hinting that can also be
Dave Ingram wrote:
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
class MyTestClass {
public function blah(Foo $f);
public function blah(Bar $b);
public function blah($v);
}
Looks like you are using the wrong language, you need JAVA instead.
Yes, I'll admit it does look like Java (or any C++-like OO
Nathan Rixham wrote:
Dave Ingram wrote:
Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
class MyTestClass {
public function blah(Foo $f);
public function blah(Bar $b);
public function blah($v);
}
Looks like you are using the wrong language, you need JAVA instead.
Yes, I'll admit it does look like
Don't want to take up much of you're time, just wondered if anybody
could point me to the reason why some primitives aren't in php.
Would find it very very useful to have byte, short, long, float, double
and char in php. (primarily byte and char).
while I'm here I may as well also ask about
Graham Kelly wrote:
Hi,
I think the reason there aren't more primitive types in PHP is because of
the nature of the language. One of the main features of PHP over say, C (and
even Java), is that the memory managment is completely transparent to the
devloper. This means that it really shouldent
Stan Vassilev | FM wrote:
Opinions about how disruptive a mandatory backslash for global symbols *in
namespaces* would be, are welcome. Keep in mind that making the backslash
optional will lead to code breakage (such as for above drop-in replacements,
class autoloading etc.) and slower
Greg Beaver wrote:
Hi all,
Let me make this brief: there will be lots of complaining about the
namespace separator.
Stop. Now.
It serves no possible useful purpose. If you want to discuss why this
was chosen or suggest alternatives, feel free to write me *off-list*. I
would be more than
Jani Taskinen wrote:
1. This should be applied to PHP_5_2 (not big change and in no way can
break anything)
2. You can always simply put a short comment like Fixed in CVS, needs
documenting and reclassify the bug report as docu issue. There's no
need for some fancy shortcuts or such. Just
Diogo Galvão wrote:
The destructor method will be called as soon as all references to a
particular object are removed or when the object is explicitly destroyed
or in any order in shutdown sequence.
As far as I understand it if your active record references the PDO
instance (say $this-conn)
Jani Taskinen wrote:
Nathan Rixham wrote:
just to add it in; in ejb3 in java you have PostConstruct and
PreDestroy which are pretty useful; maybe something along the same
lines could be implemented in PHP?
Or perhaps you should just stick with Java?
just a suggestion for some useful
Ronald Chmara wrote:
On Oct 17, 2008, at 3:53 AM, Nathan Rixham wrote:
*A Simpler Solution*
Force userland / general naming conventions in PHP.
# namespaces are always lowercase
# functions are always lowercase
# classes are always CamelCaps with initial uppercase letter enforced
thus
Gregory Beaver wrote:
Nathan Rixham wrote:
seen. Personally though I'd love to see stas' #1 get implemented and
- used for all functions in a namespace so..
one::step::two(); //always static method of class
one::step-two(); //always function of namespace.
But it's still ambiguous (only
Marcus Boerger wrote:
Hello all,
Greg was so kind to give me part of his awesome upcoming Pyrus code. He
actually has it running with both ':::' and '\' as namespace separators.
So I thought I'd help out a tiny tiny bit by giving you all the choice of
having a look at actual working code:
Marcus Boerger wrote:
Hello all,
Greg was so kind to give me part of his awesome upcoming Pyrus code. He
actually has it running with both ':::' and '\' as namespace separators.
So I thought I'd help out a tiny tiny bit by giving you all the choice of
having a look at actual working code:
*The Problem (as defined by Greg):*
foo.php:
?php
namespace one::step;
function two(){}
namespace one;
class step {
static function two(){}
}
?
main.php:
?php
include 'foo.php';
// is this class one::step or namespace one::step?
one::step::two();
?
*A Simpler Solution*
Force userland /
==
Greg#2 (alt #3, #1)Yes
Guilherme #3 Yes
Kalle #4 Yes
Tony Bibbs #3 Yes
Jaroslav Hanslik#1 (alt #3)Yes
Nathan Rixham #4 (D/S
great work - just one little note that may/may not help..
after much more thought I think you're option #2 is actually best
however the choice of ::: separator in the example really confuses
things and makes at an instant turn off..
I honestly think that if the option was rewritten as let's
Edmund Tam wrote:
(one::step)::two();
Yes, parenthesis, just like when we want to write (1 + 2) * 3.
So my question is: can parenthesis play a part in namespace resolving?
see this is the problem and where the solution should be (imo)
mynamespace::anotherspace::somespace makes sense
Steph Fox wrote:
I think that pretty much disqualifies it as a solution for ns resolution
in PHP, sadly. If people on this list aren't able to fully grasp the
concept, it doesn't have a hope in user space.
agreed; one last little push can't hurt too much though can it?
(beats backtracking
Steph Fox wrote:
#1 and then #3.
Thanks :)
- Steph
that is so wrong, you know 3 was better - you're not in my club :'(
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Steph Fox wrote:
that is so wrong, you know 3 was better - you're not in my club :'(
Sorry to disappoint, but I'm collecting votes here, not making them up
as I go along.
- Steph
twas directed at scott; an i typo'd n meant 3, and was misplaced humour
- tis 2am here and I really shouldn't
Yes
Kalle #4 Yes
Tony Bibbs #3 Yes
Jaroslav Hanslik#1 (alt #3)Yes
Nathan Rixham* #2 (DS, alt #1 DS, #4) Yes
Liz #1 or #3 Yes
Andrei #2 (alt #3, #1
Evening All,
Could anybody either point me to some existing documentation as to the
specifics of Garbage Collection in PHP; specifically for multi-process
(forked) CLI applications. Specifically when is a variable a candidate
for garbage collection (the criteria); what timing can one expect
Kalle Sommer Nielsen wrote:
Hi
Like Guilherme wrote, I've spend alot of my day reading the emails and
trying to understand the namespace issues and after reading your
proposal I understand the issues you're bringing up. So heres my
votes:
Conflict between namespaced functions and static class
Derick Rethans wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008, Nathan Rixham wrote:
Evening All,
Could anybody either point me to some existing documentation as to the
specifics of Garbage Collection in PHP; specifically for multi-process
(forked) CLI applications. Specifically when is a variable a candidate
Steph Fox wrote:
I'd love to see the public reaction if we get it badly wrong. I bet that
lasts much, much longer than the five minute huff over withdrawal.
+10 to that
there are no doubt loads of other fixes, upgrades and necessaries which
people are waiting for from the release of 5.3 -
Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
Surely everyone can see the very public ongoing discussions on
internals@ over the course of this and last year?
Surely everyone in PHP world reads internals@ and can follow all the
twists and turns of all the discussion. You must be kidding.
most of the
Arvids Godjuks wrote:
2008/9/22 Stanislav Malyshev [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi!
3. Functions will not be allowed inside namespaces. We arrived to
conclusion that they are much more trouble than they're worth, and summarily
we would be better off without them. Most of the functionality could be
Hi All,
Can anybody answer the following question for me please.
Why not follow (exactly) Java's strong static package/namespace system
rather than a home grown dynamic namespace system?
It works, it's common, logical, robust, a working model to follow, and
ties in well with the PHP on Java
Richard Quadling wrote:
2008/9/26 Nathan Rixham [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi All,
Can anybody answer the following question for me please.
Why not follow (exactly) Java's strong static package/namespace system
rather than a home grown dynamic namespace system?
It works, it's common, logical, robust
Ryan Panning wrote:
Jessie Hernandez wrote:
Hi Stan,
I made a proposal and patch a few months ago...
The developers should really take a serious look at this issue or it
will come back to haunt them later. I'm not sure why no one seems
comment on your proposal and patch. It seemed like
Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
is it too late to scrap all this and go with Java/AS3 style
base.package.class please?
Is it too late to switch to Java/AS3? ;)
Already have switched front end design to flex3/as3 which is why I'm
asking :o)
Nath
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David Coallier wrote:
On Wed, Feb 20, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Felipe Ribeiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello,
I've been reading this list for a couple of months and I have a
question that might have already been discussed here before and I
haven't seen, so please apologize me.
My question is if
Alexey Zakhlestin wrote:
On 2/21/08, Nathan Rixham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hope you don't mind me asking for a bit more info, I was always under
the impressions that a thread is defined as (quote wiki)
Threads are a way for a program to fork (or split) itself into two or
more
Lukas Kahwe Smith wrote:
Hi,
I really like what Stefan did here with his traits RFC. Very solid work,
even if there are still some people not convinced if they want this
feature in, I have seen little complaints about the way this proposal
was made. Quite the contrary actually. I would like
Chris Stockton wrote:
When I think INI I think constants. What happens when I log into some
server I have to debug some app instance and one of the first things I
might do is check the INI and I see.
[IF ${value} == 1]
setting = 1
[ELIF ${value} == 2]
[IF ${valuex} == 1]
setting = 1
[ELIF
0 for me
-1 for all the people who'll bug the mailing lists askign where they've gone
suggest: E_NOTICE or E_STRICT telling the magic_quotes_runtime has gone
BUT in the next php 5.2.X release so peeps get used to it!
Pierre Joye wrote:
Hi,
It seems that there is voices in favor of keeping
quick work around for now..
base64_decode(json_decode(json_encode(base64_encode(ab\xE0\ something
Stanislav Malyshev wrote:
Hi!
Right now, if json_encode sees wrong UTF-8 data, it just cuts the string
in the middle, no error returned, no message produced. Example:
Surely the noise coming from outside are people's valid opinions? I mean
it's the people making the noise who have to live with decisions made on
the internals list, on a daily basis, and for most there income depends
on it.
It's not just php you're discussing, it's thousands of developers
Hate to bring this one up; I'll be brief!
for instance smarty get's upgraded and has it's own namespace, I have a
class which extends it, soon to be in my applications namespace which
implements an interface in my interfaces namespace.. how does one extend
a class in another namespace and
Would this not do the same thing and perhaps be easier to implement:
namespace Foo;
protected $var;
class Bar {
}
thus allowing use of private public protected before variables, and hell
why not classes aswell.
private = only methods, code, classes in namespace Foo have access
protected =
Sorry to intrude on this one!
It seems that some real hard work has gone into this, and a big thanks
from the community for all your hard work.
Can the gc patch feasibly be improved any more? If so surely the time
scales involved with improving further would mean it'd miss the boat for
a
In-Built PHP Functions for parsing of basic arithmetic and if possible
fraction to decimal and decimal to fraction
$arithmetic_string = 3*5;
echo arith($arithmetic_string); // returns float 15
$arithmetic_string = 1/2;
echo arith($arithmetic_string); // returns float 0.5
$fraction_string =
Roman Borschel wrote:
I don't agree with that. I think multiple namespaces per file would be
fine with the current syntax as this is a feature that would not be used
by that many people and if it's used it's not for development purposes
(who wants to read a class bundle with no comments,
Agreed, PECL or PEAR, some provision should be made, it's worth the
extra few bytes of code.
Thanks for the opinions
Nathan
Antony Dovgal wrote:
On 07.12.2007 18:05, Alexey Zakhlestin wrote:
I doubt this is needed in core, but sounds ok for an extension.
Yes, I'm sure a simple extension
proc_open() pipes:
when stdout and stderr are set to file no resource pointers are returned
in the pipes array
when using fwrite on a pipe to stdin (from proc_open())
fflush() does not work,
neither does stream_set_write_buffer();
regardless of whether stdout/stderr are mapped to pipes or
this functionality should not
be incorporated into the core?
Many Regards
Nathan Rixham
Alexey Zakhlestin wrote:
On 12/7/07, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes, an easy way to handle this functionality that is safe to use with
user input would be REALLY nice.
Specifically for allowing users
this functionality wasn't included! :P
Nathan
Daniel Brown wrote:
On Dec 7, 2007 9:51 AM, Nathan Rixham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In-Built PHP Functions for parsing of basic arithmetic and if possible
fraction to decimal and decimal to fraction
PHP already handles half of what you're looking
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