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> 2016-08-15 19:09 GMT+02:00 Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk>:
>> We will do what WE have to to maintain it, but none of us are up to
>> speed with current PHP 'style' of coding so we also need help which is
>> how we mana
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> 2016-08-15 18:05 GMT+02:00 Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk>:
>> > Don't go there again!
> If there is no active maintainer, it just creates a burden on us core
> developers that have to maintain it to the best o
On 15/08/16 11:41, Nikita Popov wrote:
> I think the interbase extension is missing from this list, I don't think it
> has an active maintainer.
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> provide anything that I need. I have already written code that does the
> job, and I see no reason to change it.
SNAP ...
Only problem is none of mine plays well with 'composer/PSR' style of
module management :
worse
rather than better :(
This is simply about a standard method of adding constraint and other
data to the $fieldarray. Even Yasuo's filter extensions need a third
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In the past it used to be easier to write extensions and the way I still
see it is that anything that you don't want the 'customers' to play with
should be packaged that way. It's the 'creative ways' of using the USER
interface which is the problem and as soon a
And that I think is much more important.
On top of just how useful IS namespace and if it's needed at all?
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to pick up if they try and start a second session, but I don't believe I
NEED all the complexity of cryptography secure id's? Just ones where I
CAN actually identify the client ... or should I be handling that
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egex as been used for years in hand coded
javascript and is clean in the checker program, just not producing a
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certainly LIKE 'XYZ%' and '%XYZ' are probably the 'generic' solution but
suffer from slower search times, especially when looking for the ENDING
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what is so special about making that validation available inside an
array against simply having $date->rules($my_date_spec) and return
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On 12/08/16 12:18, Peter Lind wrote:
> On 12 August 2016 at 13:15, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 12/08/16 12:09, Peter Lind wrote:
>>> And if all typos were switching 'e' and 'n', what a wonderful world it
>>> would be. That is
On 12/08/16 12:09, Peter Lind wrote:
> And if all typos were switching 'e' and 'n', what a wonderful world it
> would be. That is not the case though - it's possible to accidentally enter
> " and > too.
And the browser validation strips them and handles the ' when used in
text fi
On 12/08/16 10:22, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
> Hi Lester,
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 6:12 PM, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 12/08/16 09:23, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
>>> I don't think it's framework job to do.
>>
>> This was a little 'tongu
ent, and
the rules you are defining are the same rules that would be needed on a
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> On 12 August 2016 at 11:54, Rowan Collins <rowan.coll...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 12/08/2016 10:21, Lester Caine wrote:
>>
>>> Many of my systems run on secure intra-nets and much of the 'safety
>>> concerns' that h
On 12/08/16 11:23, Peter Lind wrote:
> On 12 August 2016 at 12:13, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 12/08/16 10:42, Peter Lind wrote:
>>> On 12 August 2016 at 11:25, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks fo
On 12/08/16 11:11, Yasuo Ohgaki wrote:
> Hi Lester,
>
> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 5:19 PM, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>> > I'm thinking
>> > $var->setConstraint()
>> > $var->setEscape()
>> > $var->setReadOnly()
> DbC canno
On 12/08/16 10:42, Peter Lind wrote:
> On 12 August 2016 at 11:25, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 12/08/16 10:07, Christoph M. Becker wrote:
>>>>> I'm thinking
>>>>> $var->setConstraint()
>>>>> $var->setEscap
On 12/08/16 09:54, Rowan Collins wrote:
> On 12/08/2016 09:19, Lester Caine wrote:
>> I'm thinking
>> $var->setConstraint()
>> $var->setEscape()
>> $var->setReadOnly()
>>
>> Rather than having to build 'reflections' classes to pull out data that
>
it platforms. The raw view of the data can
vary depending on if you are using seconds or days as a base but both
bases eventually produce a variety of displays with managed time offsets.
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ntly being
discussed MAY be better handled with a return to the basic model of a
variable. If a variable is 'readonly' there is no need to worry about
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right thing. It's one of the
reasons I've not been able to convert a number of sites since they don't
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iable can be managed in it's own right.
I'm thinking
$var->setConstraint()
$var->setEscape()
$var->setReadOnly()
Rather than having to build 'reflections' classes to pull out data that
a simple $var->is_valid or echo $var will output a correctly escaped
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his is workflow and that workflow could include a
simple array function on the input array, but that still requires that
there are a set of constraint rules for each element of the array ...
applied to each variable ... so why can't we simply improve the variable?
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On 11/08/16 16:14, Rowan Collins wrote:
> On 11/08/2016 15:49, Lester Caine wrote:
>> The question is not how
>> you flag an error, but rather when do you check for one. If the 'load'
>> function from a database record or the populate from a web form results
>> in $age
On 11/08/16 14:51, Rowan Collins wrote:
> On 11/08/16 13:50, Niklas Keller wrote:
>>> > If not by using exceptions, how would you handle them if you assign
>>> such
>>> > checks to variables and assign a wrong value?
>
> On 11/08/2016 14:29, Lester Ca
clean built
in validation process. Rather than throwing some array handling
validator with an isolated set of rules at the problem post reading the
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variables simply
passes a pointer to the variable code to process an operation like
$age->setannot( 'number', range(1,120) ); at which point setannot( $age,
'number', range(1,120) ); makes perfect sense since $age is simply
passed to the global library of code
off list to set up a account. At some
point I'll being THAT site up to the latest versions ... it's on a
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but ones which still use all the basic functionality.
Similarly an array of them can be asked to provide a simple 'yes/no' if
all of the variables pass their validation check, or an array of
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>>From what i can tell, Lester has an infrastructure problem. Not a PHP
> problem. But he still wants to halt language development so the community
> doesn't pick up new features that might make problems in his code. That
> does not seem reasona
projects and it is that sort of hassle that simply crushes any
pleasure in coding these days, when there is nothing gained by this move
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> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:59 PM, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>>> That is, when I'm running the test-suite of my package, the Composer
>>> project is the root folder of that package - but when the package is
>>&g
ge number of different packages it's a major hindrance. I
don't need to know where my Linux install has put the include files ...
it takes care of that and then finding the pigging things again is the
problem. Much the same with finding the source of problems in the mess
that composer has cre
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On one hand we are being pushed to add things like getter and setter and
all that overhead to create proper objects, while this option is back
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>> What for?
> is easy to verify
>
> is not easy to verify
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data validation, and so I would teach that and not worry about any of
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to store the wrong value can be handled ... something that several user
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*SO* much greater than any of them with no sign of any of them gaining
traction? Simply because for the vast number of users the simplicity of
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On 20/06/16 16:24, Rasmus Schultz wrote:
> (and please, nobody say "use a template engine" - I *am* using a
> template engine, it's called PHP!)
My PHP is augmented with Smarty so I know which are template files and
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On 20/06/16 07:00, Niklas Keller wrote:
>> Now ... I want to add content that includes
>> > alert("xss") it needs to be in the format
>> > scriptalert(xss)script so that it never
>> > appears in the 'dangerous' format, but if $user['about_me'] is
>> > designated a simple text string, then any
On 19/06/16 19:33, Михаил Востриков wrote:
> Lester
>
>> > there is NO need to simply slap htmlspecialchars() onto
>> > properly built data
> There are many cases when user data can contain quotes or other html
> entities.
>
>
> // $book['title'] =
On 19/06/16 10:01, Marco Pivetta wrote:
> This basically means that you lack basic understanding of how escaping and
> user input are to be handled.
> Most apps out there about getting a bunch of text from the user, then
> rendering it somewhere else in the app.
> Cleaning user input just leads to
n the output' approach, but this STILL left holes which can only be
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t makes a lot more sense to me that '$this->_price = $value;' either
does the job of validation fully, or does not do it at all?
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ifferent metric.)
The problem with your base is it assumes everybody is using composer?
Just how many people are not? None of my infrastructure uses it and none
of the ISP's I support. So it's skewed in favour of the converted.
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> On 06/10/2016 02:14 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
>> On 10/06/16 17:57, Rowan Collins wrote:
>>> For the record, I'm not entirely sure which way I want the language to
>>> go, but I think it's a decision that needs to be made, and
PHP even if it does mean there are
two builds. But we already HAVE two builds ... people who want strongly
typed and pre-compiled PHP simply use HHVM. There is no need to drag PHP
down the same road map? Each has it's own strengths.
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he natural way of doing things if the
FIRST validation step is '$a between 1 and 10' and adding the 'int' does
nothing to change the work flow of handling $a in my book ... just loads
the process with additional checks which often have to be duplicated
internally anyway to maintain a proper flow through
ch property then it's own full copy of
the var code, which is why you want to 'optimise' for each different
type, rather than improving the caching of the objects data to only run
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raw dates.
An alternate date/time variable is essential anyway, which is why some
of these discussions are so utterly pointless anyway. date and time are
as essential to any system as integer and float but all anybody seems to
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On 01/06/16 21:09, Jesse Schalken wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 7:40 PM, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Morphed into simply passing an array to the constructor ...
>>
>> $static1 = new Data\StaticVariable( array(
>>
=> 'blahFunction' ) );
// className defaults to null
Of cause the short cut at that time was to drop the names and simply
count the variables, but what this replaces is all the complications of
named parameters and allowed passing objects in such as '$unknown1'
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> class Person {
> protected var $death; // var is intentional - my flag for a holder
> $death->__type( DateTime, not_null = false );
>
> To which one can add
> $death->__limit( $birth, '120years' );
> Where $birth
y
converted to a date offset :)
BASICALLY any hard coded handling of attributes can co-exist tidily with
the much more dynamic and flexible nature that PHP used to have! If you
want strict fully bolted down code simply use C/C++ in the first place?
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> On 27 May 2016 10:53:05 GMT+01:00, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>>On 27/05/16 10:16, Rowan Collins wrote:
>>> The most useful typehints are inside the SomeModel class, not the
>>> table-level wrapper. This
argument all along. And if I'm doing it all in
userland anyway I do it in the database read/write rather than
duplicating all of that in secondary copies ...
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> On 5/27/2016 11:41 AM, Lester Caine wrote:
>> Now I am confused, but it's probably because I'm looking at a simple
>>
>> $f->d = new DateTime( $initial );
>>
>> While you are looking at
>>
>> If ( isset($i
On 27/05/16 10:16, Rowan Collins wrote:
> My comment was in reaction to Lester expressing surprise at destroying
> and re-creating objects when new data is fetched. To be clear, I'm
> talking about this:
>
> // Clear old data
> $this->data = [];
> // Re-populate from
an object I can do
all of the checks on that are provided by int or DateTime as appropriate
... the object needs to exist before the 'new' in order to know if you
need the first or second type of $initial code ... or we make typed
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Having accessed the data which naturally includes many null elements is
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The exact question here then is in relation to just how one uses
'DateTime' in this situation? Or more accurately how one maintains the
'or Null' state when the type does not allow null itself?
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but rather than direct properties of the object they are simply an array
element. This is why I have such a problem with 'array' functions being
so different to 'properties' ... in my book they are the same thing!
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> On 26/05/2016 20:33, Lester Caine wrote:
>> If I am creating an object which is a 'person' for which I actually want
>> to ensure I have valid dates for birth, marriage and death and an
>> integer 'no of siblings' then I have a set
On 26/05/16 20:16, Fleshgrinder wrote:
> On 5/26/2016 9:10 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
>> DateTime is probably a better example to work with than 'int' since it
>> already has a long pedigree of problems and clashes where many projects
>> had their own interpretation and still
ood reasons that the
initialization is later then the 'construct' be that a DateTime or an
int ... null is the correct way of indicating that 'as yet we do not
have the value of type xxx' just as it does for an untyped value, so
trying to make a special case to block it's use is simply strangling
nor
need different functions to access them.
Within a class isset($x) should mirror isset($this->x) and exists($x)
makes sense along with other 'object' related functions, but is there no
way to get back to a lot simpler consistent handling of variables ...
and a more constructive way to add f
ps the 'fault' that isset does not actually work properly is
biting? But since $a->z does not exist false avoids an error.
> var_dump($a->z); // 0 + notice
The notice should be 'variable does not exist' as at this point $a->z
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es that '0' records were returned.
If you are reading a set of fields for which some have no matching
values then these are returned as 'NULL' while the rest will be
populated. NULL is ALWAYS a 'state' meaning that this field is undefined
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ch may or may not be set along with a 'now' few more
attributes to constrain what that value is restricted to contain.
unset simply removes that name and content from the list and leaving any
'trail' which prevents creating a totally clean use of the same name is
simply wrong?
I can even see the addition of a 'read only' flag to solve that problem
while still constraining the initial setting of a domain.
But this is simply user land code and does not need a small subset of
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On 12/05/16 12:39, Michael Wallner wrote:
> On 12/05/16 13:36, Lester Caine wrote:
>> > On 12/05/16 11:21, Davey Shafik wrote:
>>> >> E.g. the behavior of passing executing with a null value for the
>>> >> argument is something you should be consciousl
is that I HAVE to add the '?' for many of my libraries to continue to
work simply because they do handle the null case. So what was a working
system is broken by this change.
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security, and there is now at least a path that can be documented to
help them which includes https, sessions and authentication?
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On 11/05/16 16:41, Andrey Andreev wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 5:46 PM, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
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>> On 11/05/16 14:40, Andrey Andreev wrote:
>>> Therefore, while the session store *after l
an see that some people
would want to ensure that anonymous content was 'secure', but isn't that
the job of https?
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nds a copy of a 'library' which is the
main problem here, and in my case it's finding copies of the gds32.dll
which are the wrong format for the php_interbase.dll extension. I'm
seeing the same problem with other third party clients, so in my book it
is important to keep using the extension so one knows exac
?' throws an
error the workflow is broken after the event where a user code warning
would be more helpful.
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On 11/05/16 07:20, Christian Stoller wrote:
> Apache modules on Windows also have the .so suffix.
THAT was what I was forgetting ;)
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