Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-17 Thread Jeff Tantsura
+1 Regards, Jeff > On Feb 16, 2018, at 18:18, Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore) > wrote: > > Agree, what Eric has is starting to look like a compromise. Let’s get the > final text (wip) on the list asap. > > Andrew > > From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" > Date: Friday, February 16, 20

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-16 Thread Tony Przygienda
I'm working on a strawman of what I understood we seem to agree on for further comments in detail, ETA tommorow ... On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 6:18 PM, Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore) < andrew.dolga...@nokia.com> wrote: > Agree, what Eric has is starting to look like a compromise. Let’s get

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-16 Thread Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore)
Agree, what Eric has is starting to look like a compromise. Let’s get the final text (wip) on the list asap. Andrew From: "Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)" Date: Friday, February 16, 2018 at 11:08 PM To: Eric Rosen , Andrew Dolganow , "(Ice) IJsbrand Wijnands" Cc: Greg Shepherd , "b...@ietf.org" , "

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-16 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Eric - From: Eric C Rosen [mailto:ero...@juniper.net] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 6:45 AM To: Les Ginsberg (ginsberg) ; Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore) ; IJsbrand Wijnands Cc: Greg Shepherd ; b...@ietf.org; isis-wg@ietf.org; Xiejingrong ; arkadiy.gu...@thomsonreuters.com Subject: Re

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-16 Thread Eric C Rosen
Perhaps the following would be a good compromise (or perhaps not). Have an eight-bit field whose values are taken from the "IGP Algorithms" Registry. Have another eight-bit field whose values are taken from a new BIER-specific registry.  I don't know, maybe call it the "BIER Underlay Algorit

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
Andrew – There is no change being considered to the size of the algorithm field for Segment Routing. That is 8 bits – there are mature SR documents and multiple implementations that use that encoding. There is also the IGP registry defined in an SR document (though not necessarily exclusively

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-15 Thread Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore)
Well, Now, there are multiple treads being discussed here under one topic: - how big should the the field be? - should there be common registry for all technologies? - where should it be defined and which WG should standardize it? To me the first question is totally dependent on the answer to th

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-15 Thread IJsbrand Wijnands
I think its clear from the discussion there are different opinions on the matter on how to make BIER use the BAR field. The reason for me to support 16 bits is that everybody seemed ok go move forward with an 8bits BAR without a registry, a 16bits BAR does not change anything, its just a bigger

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-15 Thread Les Ginsberg (ginsberg)
And the registry has already been created: https://www.iana.org/assignments/igp-parameters/igp-parameters.xhtml#igp-algorithm-types Les From: BIER [mailto:bier-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Greg Shepherd Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2018 8:39 AM To: Tony Przygienda Cc: b...@ietf.org; isis-

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-15 Thread Tony Przygienda
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 9:20 AM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Tony Przygienda > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:38 AM, Greg Shepherd wrote: >> >>> For the record, there is no SR Registry. There is only an IGP Algo Type >>> Registry as defined in draft-ietf

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-15 Thread Greg Shepherd
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Tony Przygienda wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:38 AM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > >> For the record, there is no SR Registry. There is only an IGP Algo Type >> Registry as defined in draft-ietf-ospr-segment-routing-extensions-24 >> section 8.5 >> > > So is tha

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-15 Thread Tony Przygienda
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:38 AM, Greg Shepherd wrote: > For the record, there is no SR Registry. There is only an IGP Algo Type > Registry as defined in draft-ietf-ospr-segment-routing-extensions-24 > section 8.5 > So is that a good idea, having multiple drafts in flight with fields expecting to

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-15 Thread Greg Shepherd
For the record, there is no SR Registry. There is only an IGP Algo Type Registry as defined in draft-ietf-ospr-segment-routing-extensions-24 section 8.5 More inline: On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:25 AM, Tony Przygienda wrote: > Under 8-bit artistic license granted by Acee herewith ;-) > > First, I

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-15 Thread Tony Przygienda
Under 8-bit artistic license granted by Acee herewith ;-) First, I want to emphasize that this is IETF LC (called by Greg as shepherding WG chair) which means chairs have no further function so we all can only speak as individuals only . 2nd, I oppose any suggestion to align any kind of SR regist

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-15 Thread Eric C Rosen
Ice's reasoning makes sense to me. On 2/15/2018 3:11 AM, IJsbrand Wijnands (iwijnand) wrote: Hi Folks, I support 16 bits because of the following reasons. For me it would make sense to align the Algorithm value to the "IGP Algorithm" registry. This registry is defined in: https://tools.ietf.

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-15 Thread IJsbrand Wijnands (iwijnand)
Hi Folks, I support 16 bits because of the following reasons. For me it would make sense to align the Algorithm value to the "IGP Algorithm" registry. This registry is defined in: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ospf-segment-routing-extensions-24#section-8.5 In my opinion, this is going

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-14 Thread Jeff Tantsura
+1 I’d really like to see justification for anything larger than 8 bits. Regards, Jeff > On Feb 14, 2018, at 18:30, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > I agree. As a point of reference, we've only have defined two IGP algorithms > so far and the segment routing draft dates back about 4 years. > >

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-14 Thread Acee Lindem (acee)
I agree. As a point of reference, we've only have defined two IGP algorithms so far and the segment routing draft dates back about 4 years. https://www.iana.org/assignments/igp-parameters/igp-parameters.xhtml#igp-algorithm-types Even with more artistic freedom afforded to multicast, I still be

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-14 Thread Dolganow, Andrew (Nokia - SG/Singapore)
Guys, I would think 8 bits are sufficient. Others (like SegRtg mentioned below also use 8). 8 bits gives us tons of room to grow - especially since we have only a single value defined currently (SFP 0). If we have clear use cases that show us running out of 8 bits or getting close to that we ca

Re: [Isis-wg] [Bier] WGLC : draft-ietf-bier-isis-extensions-07.txt

2018-02-14 Thread Xiejingrong
Hi Arkadiy, I checked the latest and for reference and comparing, and they both use a 8 bits Algorithm. One of the description: "Algorithm: Single octet identifying the algorithm." Interesting to use more than 8 bits for BIER's future flexibility :-) Regards, XieJingrong -Original Mess