Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

[Scorpio]

Hi Mike,

Not sure if you checked this or not, but have you made sure that Jaws is set 
to copy from the virtual cursor, and not the on-screen highlight?


This setting sometimes gets switched arbitrarily, sometimes without the user 
knowing.  Admittedly, this has not happened to me in some time, but it might 
have happened to you.


You can check this by pressing Jaws key+V, to go to the verbosity options, 
and using your arrow keys to arrow down to "Virtual Cursor Options".  If the 
tree is not expanded, arrow to the right, and down arrow to select and copy. 
There are two options, it should be set to copy from the virtual cursor. 
Press the spacebar to make the change.


Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: Fernando Gregoire

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 6:28 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

Hi Mike,
Sometimes the verbosity settings prevent JAWS from saying messages like 
“Copied selection to clipboard,” but you say that the text is not actually 
copied.
If sighted users can copy the text normally, try to press INSERT+3 before 
pressing CTRL+C. This prior command will pass the next keystroke (in this 
case CTRL+C) directly to the active application as if JAWS were not loaded, 
which allows you to determine wetter or not the issue is caused by 
assignments in JAWS key map files. If the text is copied correctly by doing 
that, check that the CTRL+C keystroke in Default.jkm is assigned to the 
CopySelectedTextToClipboard script; if not, assign CTRL+C to this script by 
using the JAWS Keyboard Manager.


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Behalf Of Mike Mote

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:59 AM
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Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

Good morning all!  Using the latest version of JAWS 18, (Build 2945), I'm 
encountering an issue when trying to copy text from a web page into a word 
document.  I am able to highlight the text, but unable to copy and paste it 
to my document.  When I press Control C, JAWS says nothing, indicating that 
nothing has been copied.  This is confirmed, when I go to my document and 
press Control plus V.  The text that I selected does not copy to my 
document.  A sighted user can copy and paste the text without any problems.

Why is this happening?


Mike Mote
Technology Accessibility Developer,  Human Resources IFB Solutions Our 
Vision is Working - see more at www.ifbsolutions.org 
 Work Phone (336) 245-5650 Mobile Phone (336) 
793-6006

Shipping:  7730 North Point Dr
Winston-Salem, NC 27106

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Re: [JAWS-Users] starting jaws 18 demo

[Judy]

Sorry, using Win 7. Judy

 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Fernando Gregoire
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 6:55 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] starting jaws 18 demo

Hi,
Which Windows version are you using? Does the JAWS 18 desktop shortcut open
the context menu of JAWS 14, or it simply doesn't start with no error
messages? This might allow better suggestions.


-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Judy
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] starting jaws 18 demo

Hi, I took Mike's advice finally and downloaded Jaws 18 demo to see what I
think and to access it when necessary if my current Jaws won't work with a
website. It is on my desktop, but when I hit enter on it it doesn't start.
How do I turn off 14 and start 18 when I want to without interfering with 14
as my Jaws that starts automatically? Thanks in advance.  Judy & Libby 

 

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] sound issue

[Fernando Gregoire]

Hi Sugar,
Regarding general Windows sounds like the one played when Outlook ask for 
permanently deletion of deleted items or the default beep which JAWS plays at 
the top of a document, you may have system sounds muted.
In Windows 7, in the context menu for the volume icon, go to Open Volume Mixer 
to open this utility. In the Volume Mixer window, tab to the Volume for System 
Sounds slider and, in addition to check that the volume is in an audible level, 
make sure the muting button which you can reach by tabbing once more is not 
pressed. If this particular volume is muted, press the button to unmute it.
For some sounds made by Office programs, like the ones Outlook make when 
sending or deleting messages or Word when saving or auto-correcting, you need 
an add-on called Office Sounds which is not installed by default. To easily get 
it, in Word, go to the File tab and then to the Help tab. In the Help tab, find 
and activate the Options button.
In the Categories list box, go to Advanced and, using the TAB key, find and 
check the Provide Feedback with Sound checkbox and press ENTER to save the 
change. If the add-on is not installed, you'll get a prompt to go to the Office 
website to download it.
In this website, you only have to follow the instructions to download the file 
and then install it as any other program; when finished, the Sounds Control 
Panel applet will have a new sounds category called Microsoft Office, which 
will allow to customize Office sounds in sound schemes as any other Windows 
sound. Unlike in other languages such as Spanish were the add-on was not 
updated to be compatible with newer Office versions, you will not need to catch 
the temporarily generated MSI nor modify the Registry to complete the 
installation of the add-on in English. But even if you have a localized Office 
installation, you can use the English add-on without any issue; the only 
relevant difference is that names of Office sound events in the Sounds dialog 
will be displayed in English.

Hope it helps.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Sugar Lopez
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 7:15 PM
To: 'jaws-users-list' 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] sound issue

Hi all

I am so stuck and hhave no one one else to turn to.

Here is my situation

AT deleted all my contacts from my out;look and while doing this they goofed 
all my blindkeys or sounds on my pc and more on my outlook

I use a

Del Desk top

Windows 7, 64

Windows office/outlook 2010

Jaws 14

 

I went to my sounds and schemes and checked and saved all the sounds I wanted 
but no sound.

I do get my new e mail notification, log on and off windows but nothing else 
like when I enter to delete a message no sound evnthough I have a (oh oh!) 
soundsaved

When I go to the top of an e mail or document I have a windows beep saved but 
no sound happens

When I close a program like outlook Jaws ask me if I want to perm delete 
messages but no sound and I have a soundsaved.

When I save a file that I already have or a copy is already saved no sound, 
where there was a oh oh sound in the past

I am truly stuck and I feel bad for not knows what I should know.

So if anyone can please help me

I would appreciate that.

Sugar

p.s.

I am sorry if I have asked this again but maybe I have not explained myself and 
all that I have been told to do has not worked, not that they are wrong maybe I 
just don't know as much.

Feeling so useless here

 

 

There is speaking grace. Colossians 4:6 says, "Let your speech be always with 
grace, seasoned with salt, that ye may know how ye ought to answer every man."

~Blessings, Sugar

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

[Fernando Gregoire]

Hi Mike,
Sometimes the verbosity settings prevent JAWS from saying messages like “Copied 
selection to clipboard,” but you say that the text is not actually copied.
If sighted users can copy the text normally, try to press INSERT+3 before 
pressing CTRL+C. This prior command will pass the next keystroke (in this case 
CTRL+C) directly to the active application as if JAWS were not loaded, which 
allows you to determine wetter or not the issue is caused by assignments in 
JAWS key map files. If the text is copied correctly by doing that, check that 
the CTRL+C keystroke in Default.jkm is assigned to the 
CopySelectedTextToClipboard script; if not, assign CTRL+C to this script by 
using the JAWS Keyboard Manager.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 8:59 AM
To: blindt...@groups.io; 'Groups.io' 
; 
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

Good morning all!  Using the latest version of JAWS 18, (Build 2945), I'm 
encountering an issue when trying to copy text from a web page into a word 
document.  I am able to highlight the text, but unable to copy and paste it to 
my document.  When I press Control C, JAWS says nothing, indicating that 
nothing has been copied.  This is confirmed, when I go to my document and press 
Control plus V.  The text that I selected does not copy to my document.  A 
sighted user can copy and paste the text without any problems.
Why is this happening?


Mike Mote
Technology Accessibility Developer,  Human Resources IFB Solutions Our Vision 
is Working - see more at www.ifbsolutions.org  
Work Phone (336) 245-5650 Mobile Phone (336) 793-6006
Shipping:  7730 North Point Dr
Winston-Salem, NC 27106

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Using Adobe Acrobat DC

[Fernando Gregoire]

Hi Scorpio,
Sometimes when going to the next page in long documents, especially on slow 
computers, JAWS does not reactivate the Virtual Cursor and simply speaks the 
reading window as “AppPageView.” Since Adobe Reader supports using arrow keys 
and HOME/END to move between pages, if you try to move in this situation you'll 
change your position in the document.
When this is happening frequently on a given document, after I press CTRL+PAGE 
DOWN to go to the next page and after pressing CTRL+HOME I find that the 
Virtual Cursor was not reactivated, I press F6 to move to the next panel and 
then SHIFT+F6. This forces a FocusChangedEvent to be fired and, in facts, JAWS 
recognizes this area and reactivates the Virtual Cursor.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Scorpio
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 12:52 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Using Adobe Acrobat DC

Hi Folks,

Just learning to work with Adobe Acrobat DC, and am a bit stifled at being able 
to read documents, particularly long ones.

It would seem that jaws will get stuck on certain patches of text, but when I 
do a say all command, it’s able to pass by that text and continue reading.

I also find it jumping from one page to the next, mostly when I try to re-read 
a line or some other part of the text.  This tends to happen most when I’m 
using the arrow keys to go through the document one line at a time.

Does anyone have any tips or maybe some suggestions on how I should set this 
program to better read PDF documents with Jaws.

I’m using Adobe Acrobat DC, 2015, Windows 10, Anniversary Build, not the 
creator’s build, Jaws 18, latest build.

I can’t say if it happens with all screen reader, and it’s too late to discover 
if it does at this point, but if I find out more, I’ll write in and let 
everyone know.

Thanks for any advice.

Scorpio
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Re: [JAWS-Users] starting jaws 18 demo

[Fernando Gregoire]

Hi,
Which Windows version are you using? Does the JAWS 18 desktop shortcut open the 
context menu of JAWS 14, or it simply doesn't start with no error messages? 
This might allow better suggestions.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Judy
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] starting jaws 18 demo

Hi, I took Mike's advice finally and downloaded Jaws 18 demo to see what I 
think and to access it when necessary if my current Jaws won't work with a 
website. It is on my desktop, but when I hit enter on it it doesn't start.
How do I turn off 14 and start 18 when I want to without interfering with 14 as 
my Jaws that starts automatically? Thanks in advance.  Judy & Libby 

 

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

[Adrian Spratt]

Try pressing JAWS key+v for the JAWS quick settings center, then arrowing down 
a few times to "Select and copy full content." 
 (YOU can also get here by typing "virtual" in the edit field that appears on 
opening this center.) Press spacebar to change the setting to "Select and copy 
from virtual cursor" and tab to Okay. You will lose attributes, links, etc., 
but with this setting, JAWS almost always copies the text you've selected.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Pearson
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 6:53 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

I have this same exact problem when I try to copy text from a library program. 
Text articles will be on the screen and when I select all jaws says nothing, so 
when I copy it says nothing, when I paste nothing is there. This forces me to 
go back to using window eyes and I would rather use just one screen reader.

At 06:59 AM 6/27/2017, you wrote:
>Good morning all!  Using the latest version of JAWS 18, (Build 2945), 
>I'm encountering an issue when trying to copy text from a web page into 
>a word document.  I am able to highlight the text, but unable to copy 
>and paste it to my document.  When I press Control C, JAWS says 
>nothing, indicating that nothing has been copied.  This is confirmed, 
>when I go to my document and press Control plus V.  The text that I 
>selected does not copy to my document.  A sighted user can copy and paste the 
>text without any problems.
>Why is this happening?
>
>
>Mike Mote
>Technology Accessibility Developer,  Human Resources IFB Solutions Our 
>Vision is Working - see more at www.ifbsolutions.org 
> Work Phone (336) 245-5650 Mobile Phone 
>(336) 793-6006
>Shipping:  7730 North Point Dr
>Winston-Salem, NC 27106
>
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>
>
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Re: [JAWS-Users] starting jaws 18 demo

[Adrian Spratt]

First close JAWS 14 by pressing JAWS key+F4 and then enter.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Judy
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 6:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] starting jaws 18 demo

Hi, I took Mike's advice finally and downloaded Jaws 18 demo to see what I 
think and to access it when necessary if my current Jaws won't work with a 
website. It is on my desktop, but when I hit enter on it it doesn't start.
How do I turn off 14 and start 18 when I want to without interfering with 14 as 
my Jaws that starts automatically? Thanks in advance.  Judy & Libby 

 

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

[Scorpio]

I'm getting confused...

What exactly are you trying to do?

Are you trying to play a song from your library using the library pane of 
Winamp?


If this is the case, then you should use the enter key, not the spacebar.

It's similar to iTunes.

You can arrow up and down the library, but until you press enter on the 
selection, the track won't play, though when you press the spacebar, it will 
keep playing the previous track you had loaded in Winamp.


I'm also interested in why you are using the Winamp Library?

I find it very difficult to use, though I don't know if scripts have been 
created for the Winamp Library feature.  Having said that though, I simply 
use File Explorer to manage my audio tracks.


Since I have no sight, I don't bother with cover art, or anything like that, 
I simply manage the audio tracks as files.


Regardless, Winamp won't stop working, simply because it's not being 
developed, there simply won't be any support or updates, so you'll have to 
get your support or help from online sources, or lists like these.


Perhaps you could explain in finer detail what it is you're trying to 
accomplish, and how you're going about trying to achieve this.


Scorpio

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:28 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

Yes. I assume you mean Winamp help. So, you are saying, for example, that
when you are in the library window that pressing the spacebar does not start
music playing.

-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

I have no issues with winamp and Jaws.  Have you looked at the help file?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 11:47 PM
To: List Jaws
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

Winamp is still a disaster. Every time I press the spacebar the song I last
played starts playing. I would expect this behavior in the main Windows, but
not in the library window. Also, as I said in an earlier post, Alt 1 through
Alt 0 will read the column headers in Window-Eyes. I believe Alt+3 opens the
Data editor. I’ll be using Window-Eyes until it breaks or until you JAWS
users can come up with some better solutions. I know, I know, Winamp is
supposed to be broken soon, too.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

[David Pearson]

I have this same exact problem when I try to copy text from a library 
program. Text articles will be on the screen and when I select all 
jaws says nothing, so when I copy it says nothing, when I paste 
nothing is there. This forces me to go back to using window eyes and 
I would rather use just one screen reader.


At 06:59 AM 6/27/2017, you wrote:

Good morning all!  Using the latest version of JAWS 18, (Build 2945), I'm
encountering an issue when trying to copy text from a web page into a word
document.  I am able to highlight the text, but unable to copy and paste it
to my document.  When I press Control C, JAWS says nothing, indicating that
nothing has been copied.  This is confirmed, when I go to my document and
press Control plus V.  The text that I selected does not copy to my
document.  A sighted user can copy and paste the text without any problems.
Why is this happening?


Mike Mote
Technology Accessibility Developer,  Human Resources
IFB Solutions
Our Vision is Working - see more at www.ifbsolutions.org

Work Phone (336) 245-5650
Mobile Phone (336) 793-6006
Shipping:  7730 North Point Dr
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[JAWS-Users] starting jaws 18 demo

[Judy]

Hi, I took Mike's advice finally and downloaded Jaws 18 demo to see what I
think and to access it when necessary if my current Jaws won't work with a
website. It is on my desktop, but when I hit enter on it it doesn't start.
How do I turn off 14 and start 18 when I want to without interfering with 14
as my Jaws that starts automatically? Thanks in advance.  Judy & Libby 

 

 

 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

[Jim Flusche]

Hi Mike, At the beginning of the text to be selected, press Control+Windows+K, 
this makes a temporary place marker at the beginning of your text. At the end 
of the text to be copied, press Insert+Spacebar, you will hear a sound, Then 
press the letter M, this will select all text between the temporary place 
marker and the end of the text, press Control+C, will copy all the block of 
text, then just paste with Control+V in to your word document. Good luck, 
Smiles.

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Of Mike Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:59 AM
To: blindt...@groups.io; 'Groups.io' 
; 
jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

Good morning all!  Using the latest version of JAWS 18, (Build 2945), I'm 
encountering an issue when trying to copy text from a web page into a word 
document.  I am able to highlight the text, but unable to copy and paste it to 
my document.  When I press Control C, JAWS says nothing, indicating that 
nothing has been copied.  This is confirmed, when I go to my document and press 
Control plus V.  The text that I selected does not copy to my document.  A 
sighted user can copy and paste the text without any problems.
Why is this happening?


Mike Mote
Technology Accessibility Developer,  Human Resources IFB Solutions Our Vision 
is Working - see more at www.ifbsolutions.org  
Work Phone (336) 245-5650 Mobile Phone (336) 793-6006
Shipping:  7730 North Point Dr
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

[Nathaniel Kile]

I have used the JAWS History feature to copy text right from the History
window. I clear my Jaws history with Space bar/Insert, then Shift/H Then I
read over the text I would like to copy and then pull up the JAWS history
window with Space bar/insert and then H, you will be in the JAWS history
window then and you will find the text that you just read on the webpage,
now you can copy and paste it. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Mike Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 9:10 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

Good to know.  Thanks for the suggestion!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Janie Degenshein
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

sometimes when that happens to me, I use the workaround of application key
and arrow to copy see if that will do it for you

-Original Message-
From: Mike Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:59 AM
To: blindt...@groups.io ; 'Groups.io' ; jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

Good morning all!  Using the latest version of JAWS 18, (Build 2945), I'm
encountering an issue when trying to copy text from a web page into a word
document.  I am able to highlight the text, but unable to copy and paste it
to my document.  When I press Control C, JAWS says nothing, indicating that
nothing has been copied.  This is confirmed, when I go to my document and
press Control plus V.  The text that I selected does not copy to my
document.  A sighted user can copy and paste the text without any problems.
Why is this happening?


Mike Mote
Technology Accessibility Developer,  Human Resources IFB Solutions Our
Vision is Working - see more at www.ifbsolutions.org
 Work Phone (336) 245-5650 Mobile Phone (336)
793-6006
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Re: [JAWS-Users] grammar checking software

[Jorge Rivas]

Helga,
Try insert V and is somewhere down the list menu, use tab key to move.
Jorge

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Helga Schreiber
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2017 1:12 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] grammar checking software

Hi How are you?  I write a lot of papers using JAWS 18 and Microsoft word. I 
use word 2016. How can I activate text analyzer? I will really appreciat e it a 
lot! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!

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> On Jun 24, 2017, at 12:02 AM, Fernando Gregoire  
> wrote:
> 
> Since version 12, JAWS has a feature called Text Analyzer, which Ammon the 
> inconsistencies in text it detects, it is able to alert about extra spaces, 
> missing question marks and other punctuation symbols.
> You can manually use layered keystrokes to jump through inconsistencies and 
> get more information about the current one, or configure JAWS to alert 
> automatically with speech or sound of found inconsistencies when reading 
> either by line or Say All.
> 
> Hope it helps!
> 
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> Asunto: [JAWS-Users] grammar checking software
> 
> Is there any jaws friendly software that will check punctuation etc.? 
> Microsoft word only tells me that I need a ; at times. About 25-30 years ago 
> I had some software that was quite intuitive. I do not remember the name but 
> it was dos based
> 
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

[Mike Mote]

Good to know.  Thanks for the suggestion!


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Janie Degenshein
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

sometimes when that happens to me, I use the workaround of application key
and arrow to copy see if that will do it for you

-Original Message-
From: Mike Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:59 AM
To: blindt...@groups.io ; 'Groups.io' ; jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

Good morning all!  Using the latest version of JAWS 18, (Build 2945), I'm
encountering an issue when trying to copy text from a web page into a word
document.  I am able to highlight the text, but unable to copy and paste it
to my document.  When I press Control C, JAWS says nothing, indicating that
nothing has been copied.  This is confirmed, when I go to my document and
press Control plus V.  The text that I selected does not copy to my
document.  A sighted user can copy and paste the text without any problems.
Why is this happening?


Mike Mote
Technology Accessibility Developer,  Human Resources IFB Solutions Our
Vision is Working - see more at www.ifbsolutions.org
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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

[David Ferrin]

Your message got posted by accident as is a cross post, please reframe from 
such practices in the future.


-Original Message- 
From: Mike Mote

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:59 AM
To: blindt...@groups.io ; 'Groups.io' ; jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

Good morning all!  Using the latest version of JAWS 18, (Build 2945), I'm
encountering an issue when trying to copy text from a web page into a word
document.  I am able to highlight the text, but unable to copy and paste it
to my document.  When I press Control C, JAWS says nothing, indicating that
nothing has been copied.  This is confirmed, when I go to my document and
press Control plus V.  The text that I selected does not copy to my
document.  A sighted user can copy and paste the text without any problems.
Why is this happening?


Mike Mote
Technology Accessibility Developer,  Human Resources
IFB Solutions
Our Vision is Working - see more at www.ifbsolutions.org

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Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

[Janie Degenshein]

sometimes when that happens to me, I use the workaround of
application key and arrow to copy
see if that will do it for you

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Mote
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:59 AM
To: blindt...@groups.io ; 'Groups.io' ; jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

Good morning all!  Using the latest version of JAWS 18, (Build 2945), I'm
encountering an issue when trying to copy text from a web page into a word
document.  I am able to highlight the text, but unable to copy and paste it
to my document.  When I press Control C, JAWS says nothing, indicating that
nothing has been copied.  This is confirmed, when I go to my document and
press Control plus V.  The text that I selected does not copy to my
document.  A sighted user can copy and paste the text without any problems.
Why is this happening?


Mike Mote
Technology Accessibility Developer,  Human Resources
IFB Solutions
Our Vision is Working - see more at www.ifbsolutions.org

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Freedom Scientific Store

[Eric Damery]

Hi all,

We still have unique stores for the Freedom Scientific, AiSquared, and Optelec 
Brands. Our store needed to get updated so everyone who had an account on our 
store, got notified.

Regards,
Eric

Eric Damery
VFO(tm) | VP Software Product Management
11800 31st Court North, St. Petersburg, FL 33716
T 727-299-6110 F 727-803-8001
edam...@vfogroup.com
www.vfogroup.com


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of David Ferrin
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 12:59 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Freedom Scientific Store

I did as well, it seems real and above board so to speak.

-Original Message-
From: Maria Campbell
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Freedom Scientific Store

I just got an email promoting the Freedom Scientific store.  Is this legit?  
Why would VFO call it the Freedom Scientific store?



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Re: [JAWS-Users] My Apologies

[David Ferrin]

What you think you did was most likely nothing because I don't remember what 
you guys are talking about, granted I have had a couple of naps since then.


It has been quite some time, but in the past the list got so out of hand a 
few times that I simply turned it off for several days as a cooling off 
period.


Times like that and I want to hang it up, fortunately that has not happened 
for some years already.


-Original Message- 
From: Tom Fairhurst

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 10:49 AM
To: List Jaws
Subject: [JAWS-Users] My Apologies

I made crucial mistakes when discussing safe mode. I then realized that 
Narrator would open in safe mode. I escalated that discussion in the wrong 
way. Whatever happened between the makers of Window-Eyes and JAWS indeed has 
no place on this list. I am truly sorry.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Freedom Scientific Store

[David Ferrin]

I did as well, it seems real and above board so to speak.

-Original Message- 
From: Maria Campbell

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:32 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Freedom Scientific Store

I just got an email promoting the Freedom Scientific store.  Is this
legit?  Why would VFO call it the Freedom Scientific store?



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[JAWS-Users] JAWS not copying text from a web-site.

[Mike Mote]

Good morning all!  Using the latest version of JAWS 18, (Build 2945), I'm
encountering an issue when trying to copy text from a web page into a word
document.  I am able to highlight the text, but unable to copy and paste it
to my document.  When I press Control C, JAWS says nothing, indicating that
nothing has been copied.  This is confirmed, when I go to my document and
press Control plus V.  The text that I selected does not copy to my
document.  A sighted user can copy and paste the text without any problems.
Why is this happening?


Mike Mote 
Technology Accessibility Developer,  Human Resources
IFB Solutions
Our Vision is Working - see more at www.ifbsolutions.org
  
Work Phone (336) 245-5650
Mobile Phone (336) 793-6006
Shipping:  7730 North Point Dr
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[JAWS-Users] Freedom Scientific Store

[Maria Campbell]

I just got an email promoting the Freedom Scientific store.  Is this 
legit?  Why would VFO call it the Freedom Scientific store?




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Re: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

[JM Casey]

Successfully using Winamp on Windows 10 with JAWS 18 here. Thought I would have 
some issues at first but it still works like a charm, mostly, though I've had 
to change the way I use it a bit, since Windows plays much nicer if you use its 
context menus rather than working exclusively in the playlist editor as I used 
to. Not sure about your spacebar issue. I know this is an old hat kin dof 
answer, but the few times Winamp has started acting strange on me, a reinstall 
has always fixed whatever issue I was having. 

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 11:47 PM
To: List Jaws
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

Winamp is still a disaster. Every time I press the spacebar the song I last 
played starts playing. I would expect this behavior in the main Windows, but 
not in the library window. Also, as I said in an earlier post, Alt 1 through 
Alt 0 will read the column headers in Window-Eyes. I believe Alt+3 opens the 
Data editor. I’ll be using Window-Eyes until it breaks or until you JAWS users 
can come up with some better solutions. I know, I know, Winamp is supposed to 
be broken soon, too.
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[JAWS-Users] My Apologies

[Tom Fairhurst]

I made crucial mistakes when discussing safe mode. I then realized that 
Narrator would open in safe mode. I escalated that discussion in the wrong way. 
Whatever happened between the makers of Window-Eyes and JAWS indeed has no 
place on this list. I am truly sorry.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

[Tom Fairhurst]

As another lister pointed out, my tone was terrible. I was frustrated about 
not getting help the first time, but that is no excuse.Shame on me.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

I have no issues with winamp and Jaws.  Have you looked at the help file?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 11:47 PM
To: List Jaws
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

Winamp is still a disaster. Every time I press the spacebar the song I last 
played starts playing. I would expect this behavior in the main Windows, but 
not in the library window. Also, as I said in an earlier post, Alt 1 through 
Alt 0 will read the column headers in Window-Eyes. I believe Alt+3 opens the 
Data editor. I’ll be using Window-Eyes until it breaks or until you JAWS 
users can come up with some better solutions. I know, I know, Winamp is 
supposed to be broken soon, too.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

[Tom Fairhurst]

Yes. I assume you mean Winamp help. So, you are saying, for example, that 
when you are in the library window that pressing the spacebar does not start 
music playing.


-Original Message- 
From: Dennis Long

Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 1:13 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

I have no issues with winamp and Jaws.  Have you looked at the help file?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On 
Behalf Of Tom Fairhurst

Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 11:47 PM
To: List Jaws
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

Winamp is still a disaster. Every time I press the spacebar the song I last 
played starts playing. I would expect this behavior in the main Windows, but 
not in the library window. Also, as I said in an earlier post, Alt 1 through 
Alt 0 will read the column headers in Window-Eyes. I believe Alt+3 opens the 
Data editor. I’ll be using Window-Eyes until it breaks or until you JAWS 
users can come up with some better solutions. I know, I know, Winamp is 
supposed to be broken soon, too.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] jaba add on

[Adrian Spratt]

There was a thread here on JAVA two or three months ago. It convinced me to 
uninstall it. Note that Java is spelled with "v" for victor.

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Holger Fiallo
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 7:21 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: [JAWS-Users] jaba add on



Hi, all
Using current IE 11, W10. Do I need to have jaba add on in my IE? My IE 11 is 
slow and I am checking what I can turn off in add on without affecting IE.
Holger Fiallo
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[JAWS-Users] jaba add on

[Holger Fiallo]

Hi, all
Using current IE 11, W10. Do I need to have jaba add on in my IE? My IE 11 is 
slow and I am checking what I can turn off in add on without affecting IE.
Holger Fiallo
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft accessibility number

[Holger Fiallo]

   
Thanks so much.
-Original Message- 
From: Mike B. 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 8:48 PM 
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com 
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft accessibility number 


Hi Holger,

Here you go:

Phone#: 1-800-936-5900

TTY#: 1-800-892-5234

Monday thru Friday: 8:00 AM to 12:00 AM, eastern time

Saturday & Sunday: 9:00 AM to 6:00 PM, eastern time

Take care.  Mike.  Go Dodgers!
Sent from my iBarstool.
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end you have to ignore everything, & click I agree.
- Original Message - 
From: Holger Fiallo

To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:42 PM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft accessibility number




May I have the accessibility number to call microsoft for help.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft surface notebook

[Joseph Lee]

Hi,
Until end of this year, anyone using a computer with Windows 10 S can
upgrade to Windows 10 Pro for free.
Cheers,
Joseph

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Paul J. Traynor
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 12:45 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft surface notebook

Hi,

Is there a free upgrade to the full windows 10 for people using a screen
reader?. If so how do you go about obtaining the upgrade, how does MS know
that you are using a screen reader?.

Many thanks,

Paul.


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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday 22 June 2017 23:21
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft surface notebook

Hi,
All but one: Surface laptop running Windows 10 S. In fact, any computer
running Windows 10 S isn't compatible with JAWS, nor can run JAWS at this
time.
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Leonard Morris
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 3:16 PM
To: Jaws Users 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft surface notebook

It Is my understanding there are new Microsoft notebook computers coming
out. I wondered as anybody try one of these computers and if so are they
compatible with Jaws. Thanks much.

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft surface notebook

[Paul J. Traynor]

Hi,

Is there a free upgrade to the full windows 10 for people using a screen
reader?. If so how do you go about obtaining the upgrade, how does MS know
that you are using a screen reader?.

Many thanks,

Paul.


-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday 22 June 2017 23:21
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft surface notebook

Hi,
All but one: Surface laptop running Windows 10 S. In fact, any computer
running Windows 10 S isn't compatible with JAWS, nor can run JAWS at this
time.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Behalf Of Leonard Morris
Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2017 3:16 PM
To: Jaws Users 
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Microsoft surface notebook

It Is my understanding there are new Microsoft notebook computers coming
out. I wondered as anybody try one of these computers and if so are they
compatible with Jaws. Thanks much.

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[JAWS-Users] Any luck registering for Super Shuttle site?

[Nathaniel Kile]

Has anyone had luck registering for this site?
https://booking.supershuttle.com/login

 

It is the shuttle from the airport to the Shingle creek. I can get it done,
but I am wondering if anyone has done it on a PC with a screen reader. I had
two students try today and both were not successful. 

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Re: [JAWS-Users] Vipre

[Dennis Long]

I would absolutely send an email and call them.  I would do this however I 
don't have the product.  

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 11:35 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Vipre

Yes I could. It read it in the lowest voice possible, and it is a bit mumbly. 
Also, I cannot maximize the Vipre Screen. I believe it said JAWS cursor, but 
the voice is different from the JAWS cursor's default. I'm not worrying about 
that for now. The main point is that I can read the information I need. My scan 
took a good 7 or 8 hours. I checked it later, and it was completed. It makes me 
feel better about purchasing Vipre. I am still considering sending Vipre an 
E-mail recommending that they improve this to the point that no OCR function 
would be necessary.

-Original Message-
From: Dennis Long
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 12:05 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Vipre

Could you read what you were trying to read?

-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 10:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Vipre

\\I just got around to trying this. The OCR does help. I tried
Insert+Spacebar followed by  W and then by S. While may be not perfect, 
Insert+the
results are very helpful.  Thanks for the suggestion.

-Original Message-
From: Steve
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 2:13 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Vipre

Have you tried Convenient OCR on that screen, Tom?  Lots of times, it will read 
things that other times is invisible.
Try Insert-Space, then O then W and see if it gives you the scanning progress 
dialog.

- Original Message -
From: "Tom Fairhurst" 
To: "List Jaws" 
Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2017 12:25 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Vipre


>I know some of you are getting tired of this, but I thik the subject is 
>relevant since we are constantly tryhing to find antivirus, security, 
>and spyware programs that we can navigate and which do their jobs well. 
>In Window-Eyes, the mouse cursor can read such headings as “header text,”
>block title,” total items scanned” (multiple times), “progressk,”
>“right now text,” and “status text.” Uet tje actia; text is not displayed.
>I can’t read any of this with JAWS. I hate to say this, but the JAWS 
>cursor is wortheless in this Window. NVDA reads all headings except “header 
>text.”
>Again, the actual information is not read. I will look at letting the 
>folks at Vipre know this, since they seem to be happy with the facts 
>that they have a number of visually impaired customers.
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

[Dennis Long]

I have no issues with winamp and Jaws.  Have you looked at the help file?

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From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf 
Of Tom Fairhurst
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 11:47 PM
To: List Jaws
Subject: [JAWS-Users] Winamp

Winamp is still a disaster. Every time I press the spacebar the song I last 
played starts playing. I would expect this behavior in the main Windows, but 
not in the library window. Also, as I said in an earlier post, Alt 1 through 
Alt 0 will read the column headers in Window-Eyes. I believe Alt+3 opens the 
Data editor. I’ll be using Window-Eyes until it breaks or until you JAWS users 
can come up with some better solutions. I know, I know, Winamp is supposed to 
be broken soon, too.
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