[JBoss-dev] 4.0.4 release notes wikis

2006-03-31 Thread Scott M Stark
4.0.4 sections have been added to:
http://wiki.jboss.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=JBossReleaseNotes
http://wiki.jboss.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=404UpgradeIssues
 

Scott Stark
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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-27 Thread Steve Ebersole
Just to keep y'all up-to-date, I have one more piece of code to do
before I cut the Hibernate release for use with 4.0.4.  It'll be done
today...


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Just do a 4.0.5 soon after than. I don't want to push the 4.0.4.GA as
Dimitris said people have been waiting on it for a while.

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It would be cool if we could push GA a bit further after CR2.  I would 
like to do a big push for EJB3 final draft(and my book) compliance with 
4.0.4 and need more than 2 weeks as I'm on vacation for 10 days in
between.

Scott M Stark wrote:
 Ok. We want the 4.0.4.CR2 out this week and the GA two weeks latter.
 
 
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So provided we do not cause issues with portal, I say we go 
with a 3.2 final.  Specific reasons:
(1) Less issues with the version differences between AS and EJB3
(2) JBossCache optimistic locking support (only in 3.2)
(3) Javassist support (only in 3.2)
(4) Some performance enhancements relating to aggressive 
connection releasing on JBoss (although this is in 3.1.3 also).

The only other real difference between 3.1.3 and 3.2 is the 
non-transactional stuff.

The installer/build option seems a bit late in the game 
considering a release next week (#1).
 
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-27 Thread Dimitris Andreadis
 Just to keep y'all up-to-date, I have one more piece of code 
 to do before I cut the Hibernate release for use with 4.0.4.  
 It'll be done today...

Great; I created a task to track the hibernate upgrade:
http://jira.jboss.com/jira/browse/JBAS-3009


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Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-21 Thread Bill Burke

That sounds like a plan.

Scott M Stark wrote:

Just do a 4.0.5 soon after than. I don't want to push the 4.0.4.GA as
Dimitris said people have been waiting on it for a while.

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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 6:54 PM
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Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

It would be cool if we could push GA a bit further after CR2.  I would 
like to do a big push for EJB3 final draft(and my book) compliance with 
4.0.4 and need more than 2 weeks as I'm on vacation for 10 days in

between.

Scott M Stark wrote:


Ok. We want the 4.0.4.CR2 out this week and the GA two weeks latter.




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So provided we do not cause issues with portal, I say we go 
with a 3.2 final.  Specific reasons:

(1) Less issues with the version differences between AS and EJB3
(2) JBossCache optimistic locking support (only in 3.2)
(3) Javassist support (only in 3.2)
(4) Some performance enhancements relating to aggressive 
connection releasing on JBoss (although this is in 3.1.3 also).


The only other real difference between 3.1.3 and 3.2 is the 
non-transactional stuff.


The installer/build option seems a bit late in the game 
considering a release next week (#1).




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[JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Steve Ebersole
I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for Hibernate
3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there specifically for EJB3
persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done before
AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving forward.

Is there an anticipated release date for 4.0.4 GA at this point?


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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Dimitris Andreadis

3rd April (give or take) 

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 I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for 
 Hibernate 3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there 
 specifically for EJB3 persistence support, I need to have a 
 stable version of 3.2 done before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will 
 ship with 3.2.x moving forward.
 
 Is there an anticipated release date for 4.0.4 GA at this point?
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Dimitris Andreadis

But you need to get your changes with 4.0.4.CR2 (due out this week) so
they get tested!

After CR2 you'll need to target 4.0.5 

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 3rd April (give or take) 
 
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  Steve Ebersole
  Sent: 20 March, 2006 19:03
  To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
  
  I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for 
 Hibernate 
  3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there specifically for EJB3 
  persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done 
  before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving forward.
  
  Is there an anticipated release date for 4.0.4 GA at this point?
  
  
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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Scott M Stark
Since the CR2 is going to be on the order of a week late, the GA needs
to be pushed back a week to give at least 2 weeks for feedback. The week
of the 10th should be the new GA target. 

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 3rd April (give or take) 
 
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  Steve Ebersole
  Sent: 20 March, 2006 19:03
  To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
  
  I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for 
 Hibernate 
  3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there specifically for EJB3 
  persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done 
  before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving forward.
  
  Is there an anticipated release date for 4.0.4 GA at this point?
  
  
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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Steve Ebersole
No way I'll have a 3.2 final this week ;)

And it is not a simple matter of re-target for 4.0.5.  EJB3 relies on
changes made in the current alphas of 3.2 due to the latest changes in
the spec (specifically the joinTransaction() stuff)...

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But you need to get your changes with 4.0.4.CR2 (due out this week) so
they get tested!

After CR2 you'll need to target 4.0.5 

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 3rd April (give or take) 
 
  -Original Message-
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Steve Ebersole
  Sent: 20 March, 2006 19:03
  To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
  
  I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for 
 Hibernate 
  3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there specifically for EJB3 
  persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done 
  before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving forward.
  
  Is there an anticipated release date for 4.0.4 GA at this point?
  
  
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Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Bill Burke
4.0.4CR2 is going to go out with 3.2.0alpha2 as next release of EJB3 
requires it.


Steve Ebersole wrote:

No way I'll have a 3.2 final this week ;)

And it is not a simple matter of re-target for 4.0.5.  EJB3 relies on
changes made in the current alphas of 3.2 due to the latest changes in
the spec (specifically the joinTransaction() stuff)...

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But you need to get your changes with 4.0.4.CR2 (due out this week) so
they get tested!

After CR2 you'll need to target 4.0.5 




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3rd April (give or take) 




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Subject: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for 


Hibernate 

3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there specifically for EJB3 
persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done 
before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving forward.


Is there an anticipated release date for 4.0.4 GA at this point?


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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Dimitris Andreadis

I love those dependencies ;)

Is it possible to have a final next week ? 

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 No way I'll have a 3.2 final this week ;)
 
 And it is not a simple matter of re-target for 4.0.5.  EJB3 
 relies on changes made in the current alphas of 3.2 due to 
 the latest changes in the spec (specifically the 
 joinTransaction() stuff)...
 
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 But you need to get your changes with 4.0.4.CR2 (due out this 
 week) so they get tested!
 
 After CR2 you'll need to target 4.0.5 
 
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  3rd April (give or take)
  
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   I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for
  Hibernate
   3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there 
 specifically for EJB3 
   persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done 
   before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving forward.
   
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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Steve Ebersole
Well, its *possible* to have a final release whenever I want ;)

But at a bare minimum there is one more feature that EJB3 will require
which still needs to be implemented; and it is an ugly one.  I need to
release 3.1.3 today/tomorrow (this needs to be done for reasons
extraneous to this discussion).  I can then come back to work on this
particular feature.  All that I can get done by next week.

But that is not all I had initially targeted for 3.2 final (nor even
beta).  And I do not like leaving off planned features just to get to a
3.2 final.

For me it comes down to whether this is a planned final release for
EJB3.  If so, I guess I could be persuaded to cut a 3.2 final after
implementing the above mentioned feature and then start on 3.2.1 or
whatever.  

 
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I love those dependencies ;)

Is it possible to have a final next week ? 

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 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 No way I'll have a 3.2 final this week ;)
 
 And it is not a simple matter of re-target for 4.0.5.  EJB3 
 relies on changes made in the current alphas of 3.2 due to 
 the latest changes in the spec (specifically the 
 joinTransaction() stuff)...
 
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 But you need to get your changes with 4.0.4.CR2 (due out this 
 week) so they get tested!
 
 After CR2 you'll need to target 4.0.5 
 
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  3rd April (give or take)
  
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   I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for
  Hibernate
   3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there 
 specifically for EJB3 
   persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done 
   before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving forward.
   
   Is there an anticipated release date for 4.0.4 GA at this point?
   
   
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Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Bill Burke

we just need something stable for hibernate in 4.0.4 GA.

Steve Ebersole wrote:

Well, its *possible* to have a final release whenever I want ;)

But at a bare minimum there is one more feature that EJB3 will require
which still needs to be implemented; and it is an ugly one.  I need to
release 3.1.3 today/tomorrow (this needs to be done for reasons
extraneous to this discussion).  I can then come back to work on this
particular feature.  All that I can get done by next week.

But that is not all I had initially targeted for 3.2 final (nor even
beta).  And I do not like leaving off planned features just to get to a
3.2 final.

For me it comes down to whether this is a planned final release for
EJB3.  If so, I guess I could be persuaded to cut a 3.2 final after
implementing the above mentioned feature and then start on 3.2.1 or
whatever.  

 
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I love those dependencies ;)

Is it possible to have a final next week ? 




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No way I'll have a 3.2 final this week ;)

And it is not a simple matter of re-target for 4.0.5.  EJB3 
relies on changes made in the current alphas of 3.2 due to 
the latest changes in the spec (specifically the 
joinTransaction() stuff)...


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But you need to get your changes with 4.0.4.CR2 (due out this 
week) so they get tested!


After CR2 you'll need to target 4.0.5 




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3rd April (give or take)



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I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for


Hibernate

3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there 


specifically for EJB3 

persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done 
before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving forward.


Is there an anticipated release date for 4.0.4 GA at this point?


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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Steve Ebersole
Yep.

Ok, so I'll implement that one mentioned feature and cut alpha3 which we
can use in 4.0.4...


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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

we just need something stable for hibernate in 4.0.4 GA.

Steve Ebersole wrote:
 Well, its *possible* to have a final release whenever I want ;)
 
 But at a bare minimum there is one more feature that EJB3 will require
 which still needs to be implemented; and it is an ugly one.  I need to
 release 3.1.3 today/tomorrow (this needs to be done for reasons
 extraneous to this discussion).  I can then come back to work on this
 particular feature.  All that I can get done by next week.
 
 But that is not all I had initially targeted for 3.2 final (nor even
 beta).  And I do not like leaving off planned features just to get to
a
 3.2 final.
 
 For me it comes down to whether this is a planned final release for
 EJB3.  If so, I guess I could be persuaded to cut a 3.2 final after
 implementing the above mentioned feature and then start on 3.2.1 or
 whatever.  
 
  
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 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 
 I love those dependencies ;)
 
 Is it possible to have a final next week ? 
 
 
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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

No way I'll have a 3.2 final this week ;)

And it is not a simple matter of re-target for 4.0.5.  EJB3 
relies on changes made in the current alphas of 3.2 due to 
the latest changes in the spec (specifically the 
joinTransaction() stuff)...

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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4


But you need to get your changes with 4.0.4.CR2 (due out this 
week) so they get tested!

After CR2 you'll need to target 4.0.5 


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3rd April (give or take)


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Subject: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for

Hibernate

3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there 

specifically for EJB3 

persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done 
before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving forward.

Is there an anticipated release date for 4.0.4 GA at this point?


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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Dimitris Andreadis

Exactly. Something stable, that can be tested with 4.0.4.CR2 (which is
delayed until Friday 24th or Monday 27th max), that satisfies Bill, and
won't require an immediate 4.0.4.SP1 release for fixes :)

There are many-many people waiting for 4.0.4 for quite some time and we
are already delayed, so please try to get a stable release out. Users
won't like at all running jboss 4.0.4 on a hibernate alpha.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Sent: 20 March, 2006 20:45
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 we just need something stable for hibernate in 4.0.4 GA.
 
 Steve Ebersole wrote:
  Well, its *possible* to have a final release whenever I want ;)
  
  But at a bare minimum there is one more feature that EJB3 
 will require 
  which still needs to be implemented; and it is an ugly one. 
  I need to 
  release 3.1.3 today/tomorrow (this needs to be done for reasons 
  extraneous to this discussion).  I can then come back to 
 work on this 
  particular feature.  All that I can get done by next week.
  
  But that is not all I had initially targeted for 3.2 final 
 (nor even 
  beta).  And I do not like leaving off planned features just 
 to get to 
  a
  3.2 final.
  
  For me it comes down to whether this is a planned final 
 release for 
  EJB3.  If so, I guess I could be persuaded to cut a 3.2 final after 
  implementing the above mentioned feature and then start on 3.2.1 or 
  whatever.
  
   
  -Original Message-
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  Dimitris Andreadis
  Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:42 AM
  To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
  
  
  I love those dependencies ;)
  
  Is it possible to have a final next week ? 
  
  
 -Original Message-
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 Steve Ebersole
 Sent: 20 March, 2006 19:33
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 No way I'll have a 3.2 final this week ;)
 
 And it is not a simple matter of re-target for 4.0.5.  EJB3 
 relies on 
 changes made in the current alphas of 3.2 due to the latest 
 changes in 
 the spec (specifically the
 joinTransaction() stuff)...
 
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 Dimitris Andreadis
 Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:24 AM
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 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 
 But you need to get your changes with 4.0.4.CR2 (due out this
 week) so they get tested!
 
 After CR2 you'll need to target 4.0.5
 
 
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 Sent: 20 March, 2006 19:09
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 3rd April (give or take)
 
 
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 Steve Ebersole
 Sent: 20 March, 2006 19:03
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for
 
 Hibernate
 
 3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there
 
 specifically for EJB3
 
 persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done 
 before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving forward.
 
 Is there an anticipated release date for 4.0.4 GA at this point?
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Steve Ebersole
This goes back to the previous discussion sometime last week.  

JBoss itself *should* keep bundling 3.1.x - preferably 3.1.3 as soon as
I release it today/tomorrow; that is the stable release cycle.  But that
screws EJB3 for the previously mentioned reasons. 

So what's the solution?

Here's the roadmap:
http://opensource2.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH?report=co
m.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project:roadmap-panel

As you can see, I am nowhere near even a beta according to any known
definition of beta of which I am aware.


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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4


Exactly. Something stable, that can be tested with 4.0.4.CR2 (which is
delayed until Friday 24th or Monday 27th max), that satisfies Bill, and
won't require an immediate 4.0.4.SP1 release for fixes :)

There are many-many people waiting for 4.0.4 for quite some time and we
are already delayed, so please try to get a stable release out. Users
won't like at all running jboss 4.0.4 on a hibernate alpha.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Bill Burke
 Sent: 20 March, 2006 20:45
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 we just need something stable for hibernate in 4.0.4 GA.
 
 Steve Ebersole wrote:
  Well, its *possible* to have a final release whenever I want ;)
  
  But at a bare minimum there is one more feature that EJB3 
 will require 
  which still needs to be implemented; and it is an ugly one. 
  I need to 
  release 3.1.3 today/tomorrow (this needs to be done for reasons 
  extraneous to this discussion).  I can then come back to 
 work on this 
  particular feature.  All that I can get done by next week.
  
  But that is not all I had initially targeted for 3.2 final 
 (nor even 
  beta).  And I do not like leaving off planned features just 
 to get to 
  a
  3.2 final.
  
  For me it comes down to whether this is a planned final 
 release for 
  EJB3.  If so, I guess I could be persuaded to cut a 3.2 final after 
  implementing the above mentioned feature and then start on 3.2.1 or 
  whatever.
  
   
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Dimitris Andreadis
  Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:42 AM
  To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
  
  
  I love those dependencies ;)
  
  Is it possible to have a final next week ? 
  
  
 -Original Message-
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 Steve Ebersole
 Sent: 20 March, 2006 19:33
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 No way I'll have a 3.2 final this week ;)
 
 And it is not a simple matter of re-target for 4.0.5.  EJB3 
 relies on 
 changes made in the current alphas of 3.2 due to the latest 
 changes in 
 the spec (specifically the
 joinTransaction() stuff)...
 
 -Original Message-
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 Dimitris Andreadis
 Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:24 AM
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 
 But you need to get your changes with 4.0.4.CR2 (due out this
 week) so they get tested!
 
 After CR2 you'll need to target 4.0.5
 
 
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 Dimitris Andreadis
 Sent: 20 March, 2006 19:09
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 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 
 3rd April (give or take)
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of
 
 Steve Ebersole
 Sent: 20 March, 2006 19:03
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for
 
 Hibernate
 
 3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there
 
 specifically for EJB3
 
 persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done 
 before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving forward.
 
 Is there an anticipated release date for 4.0.4 GA at this point?
 
 
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Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Bill Burke



Steve Ebersole wrote:
This goes back to the previous discussion sometime last week.  


JBoss itself *should* keep bundling 3.1.x - preferably 3.1.3 as soon as
I release it today/tomorrow; that is the stable release cycle.  But that
screws EJB3 for the previously mentioned reasons. 


So what's the solution?

Here's the roadmap:
http://opensource2.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH?report=co
m.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project:roadmap-panel

As you can see, I am nowhere near even a beta according to any known
definition of beta of which I am aware.



What exactly is preventing a 3.2 FINAL and deferring bugs/features until 
3.2.1?  I do this with EJB3 all the time.  If there is a date I have to 
make, I drop bugs/features from the release to make the date, or move 
the date if this isn't possible.


Bill





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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4


Exactly. Something stable, that can be tested with 4.0.4.CR2 (which is
delayed until Friday 24th or Monday 27th max), that satisfies Bill, and
won't require an immediate 4.0.4.SP1 release for fixes :)

There are many-many people waiting for 4.0.4 for quite some time and we
are already delayed, so please try to get a stable release out. Users
won't like at all running jboss 4.0.4 on a hibernate alpha.



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Sent: 20 March, 2006 20:45
To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

we just need something stable for hibernate in 4.0.4 GA.

Steve Ebersole wrote:


Well, its *possible* to have a final release whenever I want ;)

But at a bare minimum there is one more feature that EJB3 


will require 

which still needs to be implemented; and it is an ugly one. 


I need to 

release 3.1.3 today/tomorrow (this needs to be done for reasons 
extraneous to this discussion).  I can then come back to 


work on this 


particular feature.  All that I can get done by next week.

But that is not all I had initially targeted for 3.2 final 


(nor even 

beta).  And I do not like leaving off planned features just 


to get to 


a
3.2 final.

For me it comes down to whether this is a planned final 


release for 

EJB3.  If so, I guess I could be persuaded to cut a 3.2 final after 
implementing the above mentioned feature and then start on 3.2.1 or 
whatever.



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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4


I love those dependencies ;)

Is it possible to have a final next week ? 





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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

No way I'll have a 3.2 final this week ;)

And it is not a simple matter of re-target for 4.0.5.  EJB3 


relies on 

changes made in the current alphas of 3.2 due to the latest 


changes in 


the spec (specifically the
joinTransaction() stuff)...

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But you need to get your changes with 4.0.4.CR2 (due out this
week) so they get tested!

After CR2 you'll need to target 4.0.5




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3rd April (give or take)




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I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for


Hibernate



3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there


specifically for EJB3


persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done 
before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving forward.


Is there an anticipated release date for 4.0.4 GA at this point?


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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Steve Ebersole
Sure, I do this also; but:

(1) I prefer not adding brand new features in a point release, if
possible.
(2) The query parser re-work represents a significant change in the
code-base, which I'd also prefer to not include in a point release.

Another option, I guess, is to cut a 3.2 final after this last feature
needed for EJB3, and then immediately start on 3.3...


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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:21 PM
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Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4



Steve Ebersole wrote:
 This goes back to the previous discussion sometime last week.  
 
 JBoss itself *should* keep bundling 3.1.x - preferably 3.1.3 as soon
as
 I release it today/tomorrow; that is the stable release cycle.  But
that
 screws EJB3 for the previously mentioned reasons. 
 
 So what's the solution?
 
 Here's the roadmap:

http://opensource2.atlassian.com/projects/hibernate/browse/HHH?report=co
 m.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project:roadmap-panel
 
 As you can see, I am nowhere near even a beta according to any known
 definition of beta of which I am aware.
 

What exactly is preventing a 3.2 FINAL and deferring bugs/features until

3.2.1?  I do this with EJB3 all the time.  If there is a date I have to 
make, I drop bugs/features from the release to make the date, or move 
the date if this isn't possible.

Bill



 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
 Dimitris Andreadis
 Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:54 PM
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 
 Exactly. Something stable, that can be tested with 4.0.4.CR2 (which is
 delayed until Friday 24th or Monday 27th max), that satisfies Bill,
and
 won't require an immediate 4.0.4.SP1 release for fixes :)
 
 There are many-many people waiting for 4.0.4 for quite some time and
we
 are already delayed, so please try to get a stable release out. Users
 won't like at all running jboss 4.0.4 on a hibernate alpha.
 
 
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
Behalf Of Bill Burke
Sent: 20 March, 2006 20:45
To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

we just need something stable for hibernate in 4.0.4 GA.

Steve Ebersole wrote:

Well, its *possible* to have a final release whenever I want ;)

But at a bare minimum there is one more feature that EJB3 

will require 

which still needs to be implemented; and it is an ugly one. 

 I need to 

release 3.1.3 today/tomorrow (this needs to be done for reasons 
extraneous to this discussion).  I can then come back to 

work on this 

particular feature.  All that I can get done by next week.

But that is not all I had initially targeted for 3.2 final 

(nor even 

beta).  And I do not like leaving off planned features just 

to get to 

a
3.2 final.

For me it comes down to whether this is a planned final 

release for 

EJB3.  If so, I guess I could be persuaded to cut a 3.2 final after 
implementing the above mentioned feature and then start on 3.2.1 or 
whatever.

 
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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:42 AM
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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4


I love those dependencies ;)

Is it possible to have a final next week ? 



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Sent: 20 March, 2006 19:33
To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

No way I'll have a 3.2 final this week ;)

And it is not a simple matter of re-target for 4.0.5.  EJB3 

relies on 

changes made in the current alphas of 3.2 due to the latest 

changes in 

the spec (specifically the
joinTransaction() stuff)...

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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4


But you need to get your changes with 4.0.4.CR2 (due out this
week) so they get tested!

After CR2 you'll need to target 4.0.5



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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4


3rd April (give or take)



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Steve Ebersole
Sent: 20 March, 2006 19:03
To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

I am trying to nail down a short-term release schedule for

Hibernate


3.2.x.  Due to some of the changes made there

specifically for EJB3


persistence support, I need to have a stable version of 3.2 done 
before AS goes 4.0.4 as 4.0.4 will ship with 3.2.x moving

RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Scott M Stark
It seems like ejb3 should only be brining in a latter hibernate
dependency via the installer and a custom build for testing. The
default/all should not be bumped up to track ejb3 issues to an untested
hibernate release. 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Dimitris Andreadis
 Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:54 AM
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 
 Exactly. Something stable, that can be tested with 4.0.4.CR2 
 (which is delayed until Friday 24th or Monday 27th max), that 
 satisfies Bill, and won't require an immediate 4.0.4.SP1 
 release for fixes :)
 
 There are many-many people waiting for 4.0.4 for quite some 
 time and we are already delayed, so please try to get a 
 stable release out. Users won't like at all running jboss 
 4.0.4 on a hibernate alpha.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Bill Burke
  Sent: 20 March, 2006 20:45
  To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
  
  we just need something stable for hibernate in 4.0.4 GA.
  
  Steve Ebersole wrote:
   Well, its *possible* to have a final release whenever I want ;)
   
   But at a bare minimum there is one more feature that EJB3
  will require
   which still needs to be implemented; and it is an ugly one. 
   I need to
   release 3.1.3 today/tomorrow (this needs to be done for reasons 
   extraneous to this discussion).  I can then come back to
  work on this
   particular feature.  All that I can get done by next week.
   
   But that is not all I had initially targeted for 3.2 final
  (nor even
   beta).  And I do not like leaving off planned features just
  to get to
   a
   3.2 final.
   
   For me it comes down to whether this is a planned final
  release for
   EJB3.  If so, I guess I could be persuaded to cut a 3.2 
 final after 
   implementing the above mentioned feature and then start 
 on 3.2.1 or 
   whatever.
   

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   I love those dependencies ;)
   
   Is it possible to have a final next week ? 


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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Steve Ebersole
It is up to y'all.  I am fine with cutting a 3.2 final and then
continuing HEAD development as 3.3.  But the 3.2 release introduced some
fairly different behavior in terms of non-transactional access more
in-line with what is defined in the EJB3 spec.  These changes are
stricter than what Hibernate had previously allowed in these scenarios.
I think everyone agrees that these are better behaviors, but certainly
there are probably some users relying on the old bad behaviors.


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Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:39 PM
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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

It seems like ejb3 should only be brining in a latter hibernate
dependency via the installer and a custom build for testing. The
default/all should not be bumped up to track ejb3 issues to an untested
hibernate release. 

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Behalf Of Dimitris Andreadis
 Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:54 AM
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 
 Exactly. Something stable, that can be tested with 4.0.4.CR2 
 (which is delayed until Friday 24th or Monday 27th max), that 
 satisfies Bill, and won't require an immediate 4.0.4.SP1 
 release for fixes :)
 
 There are many-many people waiting for 4.0.4 for quite some 
 time and we are already delayed, so please try to get a 
 stable release out. Users won't like at all running jboss 
 4.0.4 on a hibernate alpha.
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Bill Burke
  Sent: 20 March, 2006 20:45
  To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
  
  we just need something stable for hibernate in 4.0.4 GA.
  
  Steve Ebersole wrote:
   Well, its *possible* to have a final release whenever I want ;)
   
   But at a bare minimum there is one more feature that EJB3
  will require
   which still needs to be implemented; and it is an ugly one. 
   I need to
   release 3.1.3 today/tomorrow (this needs to be done for reasons 
   extraneous to this discussion).  I can then come back to
  work on this
   particular feature.  All that I can get done by next week.
   
   But that is not all I had initially targeted for 3.2 final
  (nor even
   beta).  And I do not like leaving off planned features just
  to get to
   a
   3.2 final.
   
   For me it comes down to whether this is a planned final
  release for
   EJB3.  If so, I guess I could be persuaded to cut a 3.2 
 final after 
   implementing the above mentioned feature and then start 
 on 3.2.1 or 
   whatever.
   

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   I love those dependencies ;)
   
   Is it possible to have a final next week ? 


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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Scott M Stark
Your input is a large factor as well since I don't really know how
different the hibernate 3.1rc2jboss version that was shipped with
4.0.3SP1 and the current version needed for ejb3. The first question, is
what do you want bundled in terms of stability/support?

If this is not what is needed for ejb3 then we need to decouple the
jbossas build from the ejb3 hibernate dependency and deal with ejb3 as a
separate component integrated into the installer with a separate
hibernate dependency that replaces/differs from the default/all version.


 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Steve Ebersole
 Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:11 PM
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 It is up to y'all.  I am fine with cutting a 3.2 final and 
 then continuing HEAD development as 3.3.  But the 3.2 release 
 introduced some fairly different behavior in terms of 
 non-transactional access more in-line with what is defined in 
 the EJB3 spec.  These changes are stricter than what 
 Hibernate had previously allowed in these scenarios.
 I think everyone agrees that these are better behaviors, but 
 certainly there are probably some users relying on the old 
 bad behaviors.
 
 
 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Scott M Stark
 Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:39 PM
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 It seems like ejb3 should only be brining in a latter 
 hibernate dependency via the installer and a custom build for 
 testing. The default/all should not be bumped up to track 
 ejb3 issues to an untested hibernate release. 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Dimitris Andreadis
  Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:54 AM
  To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
  
  
  Exactly. Something stable, that can be tested with 
 4.0.4.CR2 (which is 
  delayed until Friday 24th or Monday 27th max), that satisfies Bill, 
  and won't require an immediate 4.0.4.SP1 release for fixes :)
  
  There are many-many people waiting for 4.0.4 for quite some 
 time and 
  we are already delayed, so please try to get a stable release out. 
  Users won't like at all running jboss
  4.0.4 on a hibernate alpha.
  
   -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of 
   Bill Burke
   Sent: 20 March, 2006 20:45
   To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
   Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
   
   we just need something stable for hibernate in 4.0.4 GA.
   
   Steve Ebersole wrote:
Well, its *possible* to have a final release whenever 
 I want ;)

But at a bare minimum there is one more feature that EJB3
   will require
which still needs to be implemented; and it is an ugly one. 
I need to
release 3.1.3 today/tomorrow (this needs to be done for reasons 
extraneous to this discussion).  I can then come back to
   work on this
particular feature.  All that I can get done by next week.

But that is not all I had initially targeted for 3.2 final
   (nor even
beta).  And I do not like leaving off planned features just
   to get to
a
3.2 final.

For me it comes down to whether this is a planned final
   release for
EJB3.  If so, I guess I could be persuaded to cut a 3.2
  final after
implementing the above mentioned feature and then start
  on 3.2.1 or
whatever.

 
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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4


I love those dependencies ;)

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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Steve Ebersole
Well the other piece to the puzzle is the differences between that
Hibernate version you mentioned and 3.1.3.  If the differences there are
drastic enough, then I see even more of an argument to move to 3.2 for
the AS bundle.  Another thing to consider is portal (which AFAIK is
still the only other bundled user of the deployer stuff).
Specifically, will the non-transactional access changes cause them
problems?  Julien; Roy?

I'll go back and analyze the changes made since the bundled 3.1rc2jboss.

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Scott M Stark
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:37 PM
To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

Your input is a large factor as well since I don't really know how
different the hibernate 3.1rc2jboss version that was shipped with
4.0.3SP1 and the current version needed for ejb3. The first question, is
what do you want bundled in terms of stability/support?

If this is not what is needed for ejb3 then we need to decouple the
jbossas build from the ejb3 hibernate dependency and deal with ejb3 as a
separate component integrated into the installer with a separate
hibernate dependency that replaces/differs from the default/all version.


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Steve Ebersole
 Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:11 PM
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 It is up to y'all.  I am fine with cutting a 3.2 final and 
 then continuing HEAD development as 3.3.  But the 3.2 release 
 introduced some fairly different behavior in terms of 
 non-transactional access more in-line with what is defined in 
 the EJB3 spec.  These changes are stricter than what 
 Hibernate had previously allowed in these scenarios.
 I think everyone agrees that these are better behaviors, but 
 certainly there are probably some users relying on the old 
 bad behaviors.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Scott M Stark
 Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:39 PM
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 It seems like ejb3 should only be brining in a latter 
 hibernate dependency via the installer and a custom build for 
 testing. The default/all should not be bumped up to track 
 ejb3 issues to an untested hibernate release. 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Dimitris Andreadis
  Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:54 AM
  To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
  
  
  Exactly. Something stable, that can be tested with 
 4.0.4.CR2 (which is 
  delayed until Friday 24th or Monday 27th max), that satisfies Bill, 
  and won't require an immediate 4.0.4.SP1 release for fixes :)
  
  There are many-many people waiting for 4.0.4 for quite some 
 time and 
  we are already delayed, so please try to get a stable release out. 
  Users won't like at all running jboss
  4.0.4 on a hibernate alpha.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of 
   Bill Burke
   Sent: 20 March, 2006 20:45
   To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
   Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
   
   we just need something stable for hibernate in 4.0.4 GA.
   
   Steve Ebersole wrote:
Well, its *possible* to have a final release whenever 
 I want ;)

But at a bare minimum there is one more feature that EJB3
   will require
which still needs to be implemented; and it is an ugly one. 
I need to
release 3.1.3 today/tomorrow (this needs to be done for reasons 
extraneous to this discussion).  I can then come back to
   work on this
particular feature.  All that I can get done by next week.

But that is not all I had initially targeted for 3.2 final
   (nor even
beta).  And I do not like leaving off planned features just
   to get to
a
3.2 final.

For me it comes down to whether this is a planned final
   release for
EJB3.  If so, I guess I could be persuaded to cut a 3.2
  final after
implementing the above mentioned feature and then start
  on 3.2.1 or
whatever.

 
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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4


I love those dependencies ;)

Is it possible to have a final next week ? 
 
 
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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Steve Ebersole
So provided we do not cause issues with portal, I say we go with a 3.2
final.  Specific reasons:
(1) Less issues with the version differences between AS and EJB3
(2) JBossCache optimistic locking support (only in 3.2)
(3) Javassist support (only in 3.2)
(4) Some performance enhancements relating to aggressive connection
releasing on JBoss (although this is in 3.1.3 also).

The only other real difference between 3.1.3 and 3.2 is the
non-transactional stuff.

The installer/build option seems a bit late in the game considering a
release next week (#1).

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Steve Ebersole
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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

Well the other piece to the puzzle is the differences between that
Hibernate version you mentioned and 3.1.3.  If the differences there are
drastic enough, then I see even more of an argument to move to 3.2 for
the AS bundle.  Another thing to consider is portal (which AFAIK is
still the only other bundled user of the deployer stuff).
Specifically, will the non-transactional access changes cause them
problems?  Julien; Roy?

I'll go back and analyze the changes made since the bundled 3.1rc2jboss.

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Scott M Stark
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:37 PM
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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

Your input is a large factor as well since I don't really know how
different the hibernate 3.1rc2jboss version that was shipped with
4.0.3SP1 and the current version needed for ejb3. The first question, is
what do you want bundled in terms of stability/support?

If this is not what is needed for ejb3 then we need to decouple the
jbossas build from the ejb3 hibernate dependency and deal with ejb3 as a
separate component integrated into the installer with a separate
hibernate dependency that replaces/differs from the default/all version.


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 Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:11 PM
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 It is up to y'all.  I am fine with cutting a 3.2 final and 
 then continuing HEAD development as 3.3.  But the 3.2 release 
 introduced some fairly different behavior in terms of 
 non-transactional access more in-line with what is defined in 
 the EJB3 spec.  These changes are stricter than what 
 Hibernate had previously allowed in these scenarios.
 I think everyone agrees that these are better behaviors, but 
 certainly there are probably some users relying on the old 
 bad behaviors.
 
 
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 Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:39 PM
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 It seems like ejb3 should only be brining in a latter 
 hibernate dependency via the installer and a custom build for 
 testing. The default/all should not be bumped up to track 
 ejb3 issues to an untested hibernate release. 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
  Dimitris Andreadis
  Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 10:54 AM
  To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
  Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
  
  
  Exactly. Something stable, that can be tested with 
 4.0.4.CR2 (which is 
  delayed until Friday 24th or Monday 27th max), that satisfies Bill, 
  and won't require an immediate 4.0.4.SP1 release for fixes :)
  
  There are many-many people waiting for 4.0.4 for quite some 
 time and 
  we are already delayed, so please try to get a stable release out. 
  Users won't like at all running jboss
  4.0.4 on a hibernate alpha.
  
   -Original Message-
   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of 
   Bill Burke
   Sent: 20 March, 2006 20:45
   To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
   Subject: Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
   
   we just need something stable for hibernate in 4.0.4 GA.
   
   Steve Ebersole wrote:
Well, its *possible* to have a final release whenever 
 I want ;)

But at a bare minimum there is one more feature that EJB3
   will require
which still needs to be implemented; and it is an ugly one. 
I need to
release 3.1.3 today/tomorrow (this needs to be done for reasons 
extraneous to this discussion).  I can then come back to
   work on this
particular feature.  All that I can get done by next week.

But that is not all I had initially targeted for 3.2 final
   (nor even
beta).  And I do not like leaving off planned features just
   to get to
a
3.2 final.

For me it comes down to whether this is a planned final
   release for
EJB3.  If so, I guess I could be persuaded to cut a 3.2
  final after

RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Scott M Stark
Ok. We want the 4.0.4.CR2 out this week and the GA two weeks latter.

 -Original Message-
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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
 Behalf Of Steve Ebersole
 Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:17 PM
 To: jboss-development@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4
 
 So provided we do not cause issues with portal, I say we go 
 with a 3.2 final.  Specific reasons:
 (1) Less issues with the version differences between AS and EJB3
 (2) JBossCache optimistic locking support (only in 3.2)
 (3) Javassist support (only in 3.2)
 (4) Some performance enhancements relating to aggressive 
 connection releasing on JBoss (although this is in 3.1.3 also).
 
 The only other real difference between 3.1.3 and 3.2 is the 
 non-transactional stuff.
 
 The installer/build option seems a bit late in the game 
 considering a release next week (#1).


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Re: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Bill Burke
It would be cool if we could push GA a bit further after CR2.  I would 
like to do a big push for EJB3 final draft(and my book) compliance with 
4.0.4 and need more than 2 weeks as I'm on vacation for 10 days in between.


Scott M Stark wrote:

Ok. We want the 4.0.4.CR2 out this week and the GA two weeks latter.



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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

So provided we do not cause issues with portal, I say we go 
with a 3.2 final.  Specific reasons:

(1) Less issues with the version differences between AS and EJB3
(2) JBossCache optimistic locking support (only in 3.2)
(3) Javassist support (only in 3.2)
(4) Some performance enhancements relating to aggressive 
connection releasing on JBoss (although this is in 3.1.3 also).


The only other real difference between 3.1.3 and 3.2 is the 
non-transactional stuff.


The installer/build option seems a bit late in the game 
considering a release next week (#1).




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RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

2006-03-20 Thread Scott M Stark
Just do a 4.0.5 soon after than. I don't want to push the 4.0.4.GA as
Dimitris said people have been waiting on it for a while.

-Original Message-
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Burke
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It would be cool if we could push GA a bit further after CR2.  I would 
like to do a big push for EJB3 final draft(and my book) compliance with 
4.0.4 and need more than 2 weeks as I'm on vacation for 10 days in
between.

Scott M Stark wrote:
 Ok. We want the 4.0.4.CR2 out this week and the GA two weeks latter.
 
 
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Subject: RE: [JBoss-dev] 4.0.4

So provided we do not cause issues with portal, I say we go 
with a 3.2 final.  Specific reasons:
(1) Less issues with the version differences between AS and EJB3
(2) JBossCache optimistic locking support (only in 3.2)
(3) Javassist support (only in 3.2)
(4) Some performance enhancements relating to aggressive 
connection releasing on JBoss (although this is in 3.1.3 also).

The only other real difference between 3.1.3 and 3.2 is the 
non-transactional stuff.

The installer/build option seems a bit late in the game 
considering a release next week (#1).
 
 
 
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[JBoss-dev] 4.0.4.CR2 remaining tasks recap

2006-03-18 Thread Dimitris Andreadis

http://jira.jboss.com/jira/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?reset=truemode=hi
desorter/order=DESCsorter/field=priorityresolutionIds=-1pid=10030fi
xfor=12310573

The major things left are (a) use jbossretro for jbossws (b) the
installer (c) resolve existing testcases and any other failing tests
that may pop up, especially in jbossws.

The (d) misc items could also be deferred for GA.

It would also help if we can run the 4.0 testsuite more often until we
get the release out.

(a) JBossRetro-ize JBossWS (Ryan, Ruel)
JBAS-2791
JBAS-2510 depends on
JBBUILD-188 depends on
JBBUILD-194
JBBUILD-299
JBBUILD-300
JBBUILD-301
JBBUILD-302

(b) Installer (Scott)
JBAS-2646
JBAS-2701
JBAS-2334

(c) Testcase resolution (Anil, Ruel)
JBAS-2947
JBAS-2744

(d) Misc
JBAS-2944 (Ben)
JBAS-2865 (Scott)
JBAS-2311 (Scott)



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[JBoss-dev] 4.0.4.GA issues broken by area

2006-02-22 Thread Dimitris Andreadis

We are some 190 JIRA tasks away from JBAS 4.0.4.GA, so please, don't be
shy, browse through your area (or adopt a new one :) and
qualify/tackle/reschedule tasks:

WebServices 6
XML 3
WebSvr(tomcat)  8
Testsuite   5
System  1
Security11
Remoting4
Other   1
Naming  1
CMP 49
Deployment  14
Documentation   2
EJBs17
Hibernate   2
IIOP4
Installer   13
JBossCache  2
JCA 4
JMS 10
No component10
Build system5
Clustering  21

Merci
/Dimitris


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