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This took so long I believe it when I see it ;). Can't wait.
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Thank you!
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--- Comment #66 from Kamil Piwowarski <9luty1...@gmail.com> ---
When it will be fixed? I've installed Majnaro KDE for my family. They aren't
technical people and it's difficult for them to distinguish what the
„Zaniechaj” is for. They were using Windows
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> Hi Luigi,
>
> What do we need to do rollback the commit (+
> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=415209) ?
Other changes happened in the meantime, so the commit can't
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--- Comment #60 from NSLW ---
(In reply to Kamil Piwowarski from comment #58)
> Unfortunately there is still one thing that made me irritated, broke my
> workflow and ruin hard earned consistency. When I am using any Java/GKT3/Qt
>
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--- Comment #59 from NSLW ---
(In reply to grzebo from comment #57)
> (In reply to Albert Astals Cid from comment #54)
>
> > > 2) Polish (MacOS)
>
> Currently MacOS uses Cancel = Anuluj translation. This translation has been
> used by Apple for the
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--- Comment #58 from Kamil Piwowarski <9luty1...@gmail.com> ---
One of the goal of KDE is consistency.
https://dot.kde.org/2019/09/07/kde-decides-three-new-challenges-wayland-consistency-and-apps
In latest months there were done a lot of work to
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--- Comment #57 from grz...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Albert Astals Cid from comment #54)
> > 2) Polish (MacOS)
Currently MacOS uses Cancel = Anuluj translation. This translation has been
used by Apple for the last 15 years. Even Mac users do not
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--- Comment #56 from Luigi Toscano ---
(In reply to NSLW from comment #55)
> (In reply to Albert Astals Cid from comment #54)
> > (In reply to NSLW from comment #53)
> > > I suggest to have:
> > > 1) Polish (Windows)
> > > 2) Polish (MacOS)
> >
> >
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--- Comment #55 from NSLW ---
(In reply to Albert Astals Cid from comment #54)
> (In reply to NSLW from comment #53)
> > I suggest to have:
> > 1) Polish (Windows)
> > 2) Polish (MacOS)
>
> There's no two polish languages (AFAIK), so no, that is not a
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--- Comment #54 from Albert Astals Cid ---
(In reply to NSLW from comment #53)
> I suggest to have:
> 1) Polish (Windows)
> 2) Polish (MacOS)
There's no two polish languages (AFAIK), so no, that is not a valid solution.
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--- Comment #53 from NSLW ---
(In reply to Albert Astals Cid from comment #50)
> (In reply to grzebo from comment #49)
> > please fix it.
>
> Please STOP saying "fix it" as if it was something that was doable with a
> quick flick of fingers, if it
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Skopiuj in GIMP
(In reply to grzebo from comment #49)
> Please do not get bogged down in theoretical discussions. This bug is still
> not
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--- Comment #51 from grz...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to Albert Astals Cid from comment #50)
This is a serious problem, that really requires immediate fix. It is putting
the entire KDE project to ridicule in front of every Polish-speaking user.
This
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--- Comment #50 from Albert Astals Cid ---
(In reply to grzebo from comment #49)
> please fix it.
Please STOP saying "fix it" as if it was something that was doable with a quick
flick of fingers, if it was, we would have done it months ago.
There's
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--- Comment #49 from grz...@gmail.com ---
Please do not get bogged down in theoretical discussions. This bug is still not
resolved, and it is serious. I care deeply about KDE and this bug makes it
impossible to convince new people to use this
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--- Comment #48 from Jarosław Staniek ---
tl;dr is an excerpt of the comment, not indication I've not read your comments.
PS: following this bug it is possible that another bug is in order: "Lack of of
consistency of KF5 polish messages with Qt
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--- Comment #47 from NSLW ---
(In reply to r.rozne from comment #45)
> Before anyone says I've promised not to get involved anymore - I only said
> anything about *contending* this matter, not *commenting* on it.
No problem for me with either one :) I
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--- Comment #46 from NSLW ---
(In reply to Jarosław Staniek from comment #44)
> tl;dr
You wrote "tl;dr" which means "too long; didn't read". Do you feel annoyed
of what you read from me because you expect your opinion to be taken into
account more?
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--- Comment #45 from r.ro...@outlook.com ---
Before anyone says I've promised not to get involved anymore - I only said
anything about *contending* this matter, not *commenting* on it.
I did some Christmas reading and found some extra context here:
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--- Comment #44 from Jarosław Staniek ---
tl;dr translations are not works living alone, they serve for the software and
the goals, not the other way round
I think the software authors that were involved in related discussions (long
before this ticket
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--- Comment #43 from NSLW ---
(In reply to Jarosław Staniek from comment #41)
> Time flies and KDE is kept apart from the standard because of a single
> person decission to "fix" a word in just KDE.
MacOS promoted "Poniechaj" from 1986 to 2006 (20
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--- Comment #42 from NSLW ---
(In reply to przem.formela from comment #40)
> > I'm not sure after reading "Examples of the similarity principle" on
> > https://www.usertesting.com/blog/gestalt-principles/
> > Could you tell me why did you originally
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--- Comment #41 from Jarosław Staniek ---
Time flies and KDE is kept apart from the standard because of a single person
decission to "fix" a word in just KDE.
NSLW wrote (I'd be happy if you unhide your name in these records as a minimum
attitude for
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--- Comment #40 from przem.form...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to NSLW from comment #38)
> > > According to https://www.usertesting.com/blog/gestalt-principles/
> > > "The human brain is wired to see structure, logic, and patterns. It helps
> > > us
> > >
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(In reply to NSLW from comment #37)
> (In reply to r.rozne from comment #34)
> > > You used Polish translation in KDE before the change to "Zaniechaj" and
> > > after the change
> > > you tried (struggled)
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(In reply to przem.formela from comment #36)
> > According to https://www.usertesting.com/blog/gestalt-principles/
> > "The human brain is wired to see structure, logic, and patterns. It helps us
> > make sense of the
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(In reply to r.rozne from comment #34)
> > You used Polish translation in KDE before the change to "Zaniechaj" and
> > after the change
> > you tried (struggled) to use it?
>
> No, I had never used KDE *in Polish* before
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--- Comment #36 from przem.form...@gmail.com ---
(In reply to NSLW from comment #31)
> (In reply to przem.formela from comment #27)
> > > For me user experience isn't hurt if the word is understandable.
> > User Experience isn't based on personal
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--- Comment #35 from Luigi Toscano ---
(In reply to r.rozne from comment #34)
>
> Since this is a fundamental change that would set us apart? Definitely.
> However, reading this thread, as well as the relevant thread in the mailing
> list archives
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--- Comment #34 from r.ro...@outlook.com ---
(In reply to NSLW from comment #33)
> (In reply to r.rozne from comment #30)
> > I stumbled over here after seeing angry comments from people on Nate's blog
> > and feel I have a couple things to say.
> >
>
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--- Comment #33 from NSLW ---
(In reply to r.rozne from comment #30)
> I stumbled over here after seeing angry comments from people on Nate's blog
> and feel I have a couple things to say.
>
> One, as a native Polish speaker (and sorta a purist like
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--- Comment #32 from NSLW ---
(In reply to Michał Dybczak from comment #28)
> Why? One of the most common motivators for people is when we see something
> we don't like, instead being passive and whiny, we take action to improve
> things. Nothing
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(In reply to przem.formela from comment #27)
> > For me user experience isn't hurt if the word is understandable.
> User Experience isn't based on personal preference, it's a whole area of
> scientfiic expertise, grounded
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--- Comment #29 from Michał Dybczak ---
Sorry if my previous post may not be completely readable for English speakers.
It's hard to discuss such complex stuff without falling into our native
language constructions. I also noticed, I forgot some
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(In reply to NSLW from comment #24)
> Created attachment 124526 [details]
> Tłumaczenie plasma-vault.mbox
>
>
> I'm disappointed that's your motivation. I would like you to come here to
> work on translation
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> For me user experience isn't hurt if the word is understandable.
User Experience isn't based on personal preference, it's a whole area of
scientfiic expertise, grounded in gestalt laws of perception.
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--- Comment #26 from NSLW ---
(In reply to Luigi Toscano from comment #25)
> (In reply to NSLW from comment #24)
> > In regard to hurting KDE development. Luigi Toscano wrote
> > "There is one translator, apparently the only one active, who decided to
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--- Comment #25 from Luigi Toscano ---
(In reply to NSLW from comment #24)
> In regard to hurting KDE development. Luigi Toscano wrote
> "There is one translator, apparently the only one active, who decided to
> translate something in a certain way."
>
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> I added myself to the PL lang mailing list just to fight for
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Similarly to this, „lock” was abhorrently re-translated as „tie”: #415209
After almost a year situation is worse as it were before.
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(In reply to Michał Dybczak from comment #20)
> Yes, this is a social problem but git system would allow more people be
> involved and that would create a healthier atmosphere.
>
> Currently, active lang devs
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Yes, this is a social problem but git system would allow more people be
involved and that would create a healthier atmosphere.
Currently, active lang devs feel unsupported and alone. They also know how much
work
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Adding more details: even with git and a web interface, the team coordinators
for each language would have the final words.
I think we are waiting for a Community Working Group decision. If the decision
is going
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Please note that a move to git wouldn't help at all. Right now anyone with
developer access can commit anywhere anyway.
This is a purely social problem, not a technical one.
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How long does it take to revert this translation back?
It's already 8 months with invalid translation...
That's sad that one person has applied such visible change on his own, just
because "it seemed more natural to
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Any update on this? Apart from Plasma and Frameworks, which have more frequent
releases, we are going to have a major release of many applications as part of
KDE Applications in few days.
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(In reply to NSLW from comment #9)
> (In reply to grzebo from comment #6)
> (In reply to Marta Rybczyńska from comment #8)
> > We have had a lot
> > of differences between Gnome and KDE and other translations and
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> I agree that in theory changing Polish translation of "Cancel" to
> "Zaniechaj" could be a good idea - but only if it was done in all the
> software simultaneously. Unfortunately, this
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W pełni
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(In reply to NSLW from comment #5)
> Translating "Cancel" as "Anuluj" is certainly correct in terms of software
> customs.
>
> In my opinion, until now, nobody dared or cared to question the status quo.
I
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> (In reply to NSLW from comment #3)
> This was a single instance many years ago, and literally every computer
> course, and every piece of software for both Mac, iOS, Windows, Android
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(In reply to NSLW from comment #3)
> It's not true that since the beginning of GUI applications in Polish
> "Cancel" was translated as "Anuluj".
> You can see that in Mac's dictionary from 1992 at
>
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--- Comment #3 from NSLW ---
Thank you Luigi for bringing me into this discussion.
It's true that "anuluj" is used in most software. I changed it to "zaniechaj"
cause it seems more natural to me. I didn't know about the Mac thing until this
thread but
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Lukasz, your call - but usually diverging from the common translation used by
most of the other programs does not help the user experience.
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