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How can I print intput of "journalctl -b | grep org.kde.kgapi" into file? It's
too big to mark it all.
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I meant output*
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Deprecated? You mean that this feature will be removed in some feature updates?
Because so far it works, although I do agree that it's pointless feature so it
needs to go.
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Thanks :)
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I used "alt+h" and folders showed themselves! Thanks!
I would never thought that linux folders can be hidden without "." So trivial
issue. However I don't see
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I don't have ~/.config/QtProject/ folder :(
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Bug ID: 371954
Summary: Gdrive doesn't show all files/folders
Product: kio-gdrive
Version: 1.0.3
Platform: Archlinux Packages
OS: Linux
Status: UNCONFIRMED
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Version
===
KWin version: 5.9.4
Qt Version: 5.8.0
Qt compile version: 5.8.0
XCB compile version: 1.12
Operation Mode: X11 only
Build Options
=
KWIN_BUILD_DECOR
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Bug ID: 379111
Summary: Vertical sync causes flickering on screen capturing
Product: kwin
Version: 5.9.4
Platform: Archlinux Packages
OS: Linux
Status: UNCONFIRMED
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Bug ID: 383069
Summary: Corrputed mp3 files when sent through KDE Connect
Product: kdeconnect
Version: 1.0
Platform: Manjaro
OS: Linux
Status: UNCONFIRMED
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--- Comment #2 from Michał Dybczak <michal.dybc...@gmail.com> ---
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> How were you sending the files?
>
> a) right click on the file -> send to using kdeconnect
>
> or
>
> b)
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Look at this video of another arch user (Antergos KDE):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIpO2NcTkvw=55=WL
Can you notice panel flickering? That's EXACTLY the same bug. I'm not th
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OpenGL 2 didn't help, although it seems to cause a bit less flickering but
that's hard to assess really, because flicker can get erratic.
About xorg modesettings ddx, I have n
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When I right click a file and choose the option "send to with kde
connect" it does nothing. I cannot use it to send any files.
When I open my device from places in Dolph
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(In reply to Albert Vaca from comment #7)
> I can effectively confirm that this is an SSHFS 3.0 bug, which has been
> fixed in 3.1 but for some reason reintroduced in 3.2 (?
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Thank you kishor...@gmail.com. Now at least we have something to watch and hope
for fix.
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> There is no way to surface this error to the user in a backwards compatible
> way :( It might be seen as a bug, but I think it'
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I was given some kind of solution to this problem, I checked it and it realy
works:
create file /home/user/.config/plasma-workspace/env/kwin.sh with:
#!/bin/sh
export __GL_YIELD=&
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So with sshfs 3.2.0-1 it works correctly? Or do we have to wait till 3.2.1?
Oh wait, I can test it ;).
I managed to send some mp3 music file with right-click option "send
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You're right. When using Dolphin and dragging a file between panels/locations,
it shows "cannot write /path1 to /path2".
When I used a small text file, everything went
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>From feedback on Manjaro forum it might not be a general bug, because it was
reported to me it works as expected, Gwenview adds extension chosen from the
list even if there
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Bug ID: 384474
Summary: Gwenview is not adding extension automatically with
"Save As"
Product: gwenview
Version: 17.08.0
Platform: Manjaro
OS: Linux
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I made video of that bug and... I noticed a small box to check:
"automatically use jpeg extension"
Well, this is confusing. In many places when saving something (from br
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Bug ID: 384030
Summary: Plasmashell freezes and crashes when panel is moved on
left or right side of screen
Product: plasmashell
Version: 5.10.4
Platform: Manjaro
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I updated git version recently and I still have the issue with additional,
crashy menu.
Is the fix not in git version yet?
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I still can't find it (I cleared the cache first) but I suspect that there is
some propagation time or something like that, will check tomorrow.
I assume that we will still need
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I'm not talking about the package. In order for Plasma integration to work we
need to install browser extensions as well. Unless they won't be needed
anymore? If that so, it's not c
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Thanks for clarifying it. I didn't know it was possible.
By the way, you said "for all supported browsers", does that include Falcon? It
would be weird if Falkon had no
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Yes, I confirm, plasma integration is showing again on google web store.
Everything is all right now :).
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Summary: Plasma integration extension disappeared from Google
Web Store
Product: plasma-browser-integration
Version: unspecified
Platform: Other
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media icon bug
Adding additional print screen because I couldn't do it with first post.
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Bug ID: 395442
Summary: Plasma 5.13.0 systray notifications: list empty and
other issues
Product: ksystraycmd
Version: unspecified
Platform: Manjaro
OS: Linux
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The thing is, I'm not sure if those are multiple issues - it's all about
systray. It can be one bug but with multiple consequences.
It also doesn't matter if you use latte of plasma panel - I tried it and you
can
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Steps to reproduce:
1. Open settings of system tray
2. Go to notification settings tab and click OK or change settings and then
click "Apply".
3. Check notification tab settings list again, it's empty
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Bug ID: 395455
Summary: Discover buttons install/remove/launch disappear
Product: Discover
Version: 5.13.0
Platform: Manjaro
OS: Linux
Status: UNCONFIRMED
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Thanks Anotonio. This is what I feared. From talks here, devs weren't sure if
it will work on other distros and it seems it doesn't.
I also checked my Neon vbox install (so regular neon instead developer
preview
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Bug ID: 395519
Summary: Minimize applet stops working correctly - regression?
Product: kdeplasma-addons
Version: 5.13.0
Platform: Manjaro
OS: Linux
Status: UNCONFIRMED
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Bug ID: 395463
Summary: Plasma 5.13 Global menu in Firefox and Thunderbird
don't work
Product: kded-appmenu
Version: 5.13.0
Platform: Manjaro
OS: Linux
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Indeed, by resizing window buttons appeared (together with a layout change)
giving quite nice 3 column look. Awesome.
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Maximize Konsole window before marking a log output. At the moment everything
is cut in the middle.
Not sure what is the etiquette of this bugtracker? Maybe it's better to save
output to pastebin/hastebin
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Bug ID: 395619
Summary: Media icon defaults to fallback on non breeze themes
on Plasma 5.13.0
Product: ksystraycmd
Version: unspecified
Platform: Manjaro
OS:
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There was a bug in old Plasma version but it was fixed long time ago. I also
can't confirm this bug. Mounting works fine on Manjaro Plasma 5.13.0 and KDE
Framework 5.47 as it was in previous version.
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Thanks Elke, maybe at some later time, because ice-ssb developer should be
involved in it and at this moment he is occupied with the new peppermint
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ice-ssb is an app that allows for creating separate browser wrapped apps, so
for example instead using facebook in browser tab, you can create a facebook
app using firefox, chrome or chromium. ice-ssb creates
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There were lately some updates in Discover's kirigami (Plasma 5.13.1), or at
least I think I saw something like that. Is it fixed? I don't know how to go
back to those bugged window size to test it... maybe aside
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Ah thanks. In two panel mode bug still exists.
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My all SSD and HDD partitions are correctly mounted on boot. When pluging in
external hard drives and USB's, they are also correctly auto-mounted and I get
proper indication in systray.
In System Settings
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>From journalctl most striking to me were:
UdevQt: unhandled device action "unbind"
This may not be the same but check this out:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=236
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To add some info, libinput documentation is here:
https://www.systutorials.com/docs/linux/man/4-libinput/
Middle click emulation that I want to turn off is described:
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Bug ID: 393755
Summary: No corresponding option in conf for GUI's pad "Mouse
click emulation"
Product: systemsettings
Version: 5.12.4
Platform: Manjaro
OS: Linux
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Thanks, @ulusu, it now makes more sense. However, I switched [kded5] lines with
[org_kde_powerdevil] but it still doesn't work. After I log off/log in, old
lines (or at leas
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Bug ID: 390667
Summary: Physical power button stopped working in Plasma 5.12.1
Product: systemsettings
Version: 5.12.1
Platform: Manjaro
OS: Linux
Status: UNCONFIRMED
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(In reply to David Edmundson from comment #42)
> A secondary migration will be in 5.12.2
>
> >What gives?
>
> Same reason as my original update script d
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Yes, it does seem that this is the same bug. My screen brightness key shortcuts
also stopped working - I didn't realize that earlier.
I tried the solution of from comment 22 but it
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I have the same problem after upgrading Manjaro from Plasma 5.11.5 to 5.12.1.
Power button stopped working, also brightness keys doesn't work anymore
(brigness down fn+f9 and brig
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Unfortunately not. I edited original ~/.config/kglobalshortcutsrc file with
kwrite and still the same - it gets overwritten with every logoff/ login so it
never works :(.
I c
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Manjaro OS
Plasma 5.13.1
KDE Framework: 5.47.0
Qt: 5.11.1
Kernel: 4.17
I confirm this bug. So far EVERY non-breeze theme I tried causes media icon to
fallback to the square one which is only in dark color so
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Thanks for the info Filip.
The fact that you have to use git versions from AUR to have fixed version from
top, trendy themes, while those in repos of cutting edge distros are broken +
hundreds of other themes
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I'm also a maintainer of some themes and this is puzzling to me.
So if I get it right, Plasma 5.13 broke the themes compatibility on purpose? If
so, why isn't there any clear info how to fix it? This way 99
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Thanks. I didn't even know that svg files can be opened in text editor. I
analyzed the file but didn't understand much of it. So I just decided to use
breeze file instead.
I went to /usr/share/plasma/desktoptheme
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Here is another thread of a lost user... People are confused by this
"invisible" icon.
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/media-reproductor-icon-not-showing-in-trey-area/52392
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Resolution
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I believe the bug is somehow related to Qt? Neon and Manjaro use the same,
newest version.
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Here is another thread about this problem:
https://forum.manjaro.org/t/kde-breath-theme-invisible-media-control-systray-icon/51644/2
It seems that not only media icon is touched with this issue.
I could easily
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Great! That's one thing to go.
Once git is updated I can test it myself.
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So how do I set LO global menu to use appmenu-gtk-module? I have it installed
along with gmenu-dbusmenu-proxy and did export SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk3 to
~/.xprofile
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I'm not sure if I did it correctly. I changed ~/.xprofile
export SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk
export GTK_MODULES=appmenu-gtk-module
Result is, I see situation 2) for a split of
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Is there a chance to cooperate this with libreoffice developers? Or maybe with
someone from Munich KDE team?
I'm not a software developer or any IT specialist so I can only report
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Bug ID: 391868
Summary: Incorrect Libre Office first topmenu item when office
file launched directly
Product: kded-appmenu
Version: 5.12.3
Platform: Manjaro
OS:
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I'm on Plasma 5.14.1 too, but the issue is rather with Libre (with how they
implement menu) so at the moment we can only wait for LO 6.2 and see if it is
really fixed or not.
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At the moment, when we open a document from a file directly we most likely get
a scrambled menu (sometimes it fixes itself in a split of second, sometimes it
stays).
When we focus to another app which has global
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AWC seems to be a KDE project now (ut has own bug section) so it's possible it
will be taken over sooner or later. I talked with Latte developer and he was
interested in it and had ideas on how to integrate AWC
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>
> In my understanding, a pragmatic way to approach this is different. Plasma
> in most of its parts is following UNIX philosophy, "do one thing an
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> (In reply to avlas from comment #2)
>
> Forgot to say in this context that this bug makes it difficult to show fully
> coherent information between the appl
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403471
--- Comment #2 from Michał Dybczak ---
I'll try to figure out specific. If I want the bug to happen, I also can't
reproduce it.
I was ignoring it although it was very annoying. Lately, it happens so often I
decided to post a report in hope
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403471
Bug ID: 403471
Summary: Latte dock stops hiding
Product: latte-dock
Version: git (master)
Platform: Manjaro
OS: Linux
Status: REPORTED
Severity: normal
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403471
--- Comment #6 from Michał Dybczak ---
B issue is not so troubling. It's just lingering a bit longer then it should
before hiding, but that's just a very minor annoyance, so at the moment let's
forget it.
As to latte shortcuts, this needs
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403471
--- Comment #9 from Michał Dybczak ---
(In reply to Michail Vourlakos from comment #7)
> All global shortcuts have an interface if
> you want to disable them from Global Shortcuts->Latte Dock. You can disable
> them all them in that int
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=353026
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--- Comment #23 from
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=403471
--- Comment #3 from Michał Dybczak ---
Ok, I have some info.
I noticed, the problem occurs when I hit meta key to call programs darshboard.
After that, Latte is stuck and no program makes it hide. It's 100% reproducible
that way.
The second way
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405937
Bug ID: 405937
Summary: Improve tooltip "“Roundness used from Latte
elements..."
Product: lattedock
Version: git (master)
Platform: Other
OS: Linux
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405937
--- Comment #4 from Michał Dybczak ---
Great! That works too, especially that there is no point of setting different
roundness then from the theme (because it creates this differential space
between outline and the background) so if latte is doing
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