Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

Hi, Am 05.11.2015 um 03:45 schrieb Mark Roszko: >> I have repeatedly asked that devs do incremental changes so I can >> easily review them. > It's hard to do refactoring when your one commit has to throw out the > kitchen sink. However, it is often possible to submit multiple commits of the

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 3:57 AM, Wayne Stambaugh wrote: > On 11/4/2015 9:01 PM, Stefano Rossi wrote: >> Also, it isn't clear the goals. Are CERNs goals kicad goals? I have >> learned that if you have no clear goals you will waste time in useless >> features. Feature creep.

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

Hi Mark, Martin, "~mrluzeiro/kicad/kicad_new3d-viewer is the ray tracing viewer. This is not a refactor. Its a different direction to improve rendering." My branch is actually / technical a refactoring. There is very little from the old-3d-viewer, there are only some legacy names that I keept

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

015 22:07 To: kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Subject: Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation Hi Mario, thank you for your reply. The other people felt offended when I said "waist of time". Actually I m

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation (Was: Re: Bug #1511552 - Fixes to Incorrect export of Spice net-list from EESchema)

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 1:02 PM, x...@sms.cz wrote: > > Hello Andy, > > what you are saying really interests me. > >> Regarding integrating any kind of simulation tool into the mainline PCB > design >> package, I suggest the following: DONT BOTHER. > > I'm not an EE professional, I'm an EE

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

My bad, I thought you were doing just rendering but I would throw handling different render targets as part of rendering. Either way theres no overlap in refactoring and its completely normal to have separate branches for divergent work until its time to merge. On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:46 PM,

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

Hi to all, some other guys, like me, has developed external tools to improve the MCAD exports of board and component http://sourceforge.net/projects/kicadstepup/ I started years ago to improve myself the 3d rendering, before the actual 3D realistic rendering was available in the main branch

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

gt; Příjemce: "x...@sms.cz" <x...@sms.cz>, "kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net" <kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> Datum: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:20:00 + Předmět: RE: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

KiCad user or a long-time KiCad developer. Martin. - Původní zpráva - Odesílatel: Javier Serrano <javier.serrano.par...@gmail.com> Příjemce: x...@sms.cz Datum: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:10:47 +0100 Předmět: Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentatio

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

Hi Martin, It is good to bring some discussion where to the mailing list. Some of this points discussed here (as Wayne pointed?) was already discussed before, we may need some way of track / record of this discussions, it would help to add / improve the discussions. "On the other hand, it's

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

Hi All, "Simulations: Provide quality circuit simulation capabilities similar to commercial products - no progress". This is my personal view. Taking this (simulation feature) as an example, I think because the nature of kicad, adding new big features like this need a lot of ponderation from

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

pers <kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> Datum: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 22:03:01 + Předmět: RE: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation > Hi All, > > "Simulations: Provide quality circuit simulation capabilities simi

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

iro <mrluze...@ua.pt> Příjemce: "x...@sms.cz" <x...@sms.cz>, KiCad Developers <kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> Datum: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 22:03:01 + Předmět: RE: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentati

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation (Was: Re: Bug #1511552 - Fixes to Incorrect export of Spice net-list from EESchema)

Andy, I've put my comments in to the text below. > > I'm not an EE professional, I'm an EE hobbyist. And my ideal tool would allow > > me to draw a schema and allow me to copy it to a document or to publish it to > > internet. And then by extending it a little bit I could use the same schema > >

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

Actually right now, officially we are doing current code maintenance only as we are trying to do a "stable" release. Its also why things have quieted down as people have went to squirrel away on personal branches as no new features are accepted right now.

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

be a long-time KiCad user or a long-time KiCad developer. > > Martin. > > > - Původní zpráva - > Odesílatel: Javier Serrano <javier.serrano.par...@gmail.com> > Příjemce: x...@sms.cz > Datum: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:10:47 +0100 > Předmět: Re: [Kicad-developers]

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation (Was: Re: Bug #1511552 - Fixes to Incorrect export of Spice net-list from EESchema)

> On Nov 4, 2015, at 4:11 PM, x...@sms.cz wrote: > > Andy, > > I've put my comments in to the text below. > >>> I'm not an EE professional, I'm an EE hobbyist. And my ideal tool would > allow >>> me to draw a schema and allow me to copy it to a document or to publish it > to >>> internet. And

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

Creating separate branches with large change sets is risky. I've stated many times before that my time is limited and reviewing a 10K+ lines of code merge request is likely going to sit in the queue for a long time until I or someone who's coding ability I trust can find time to review the

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

>When I hear that UI refinement is not necessary. I cringe Don't confuse UX with UI. UX is User Experience, it includes UI but it also includes workflow which is highly opinionated stuff like Wayne mentioned where its selection toolbars vs. hotkeys. Yes, the UI isn't the greatest and I don't

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

On 11/4/2015 9:45 PM, Mark Roszko wrote: >> I have repeatedly asked that devs do incremental changes so I can > easily review them. > > It's hard to do refactoring when your one commit has to throw out the > kitchen sink. > My experimental gerbview refactor for giggles changes the layer system >

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

> I have repeatedly asked that devs do incremental changes so I can easily review them. It's hard to do refactoring when your one commit has to throw out the kitchen sink. My experimental gerbview refactor for giggles changes the layer system from the fixed bitmask nonsense to a dynamic managed

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

t; I know this is sad, but the newbie cannot make the high-level design by > himself. It must be a long-time KiCad user or a long-time KiCad > developer. > > Martin. > > > - Původní zpráva ----- > Odesílatel: Javier Serrano <javier.serrano.par...

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

2015-11-04 20:33 GMT+01:00 : >> You are treating developers as a some sort of object. We >> are people, we have lives, we do not sit here looking for work. > > Please, don't feel offended :-). I'm a professional developer, and I'm used to > be treated as a "human resource". But I

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation (Was: Re: Bug #1511552 - Fixes to Incorrect export of Spice net-list from EESchema)

Hello Andy, what you are saying really interests me. > Regarding integrating any kind of simulation tool into the mainline PCB design > package, I suggest the following: DONT BOTHER. I'm not an EE professional, I'm an EE hobbyist. And my ideal tool would allow me to draw a schema and allow me

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

This starts to be a debate of opinions. > What are their amibtions? I've met many developers that wanted to create something cool that many will be using. And they end up an application of no use that is used only by themselves. I was like that too when I was younger. My idea was that if they

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation (Was: Re: Bug #1511552 - Fixes to Incorrect export of Spice net-list from EESchema)

> On Nov 3, 2015, at 8:12 PM, timofonic timofonic wrote: > > Hello > > I'm just a lurker and still not started to contribute, but I have some ideas: > > - Indian Institute of Technology Bombay: I see technological and educational > institutions as potential contributors

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

> You are treating developers as a some sort of object. We > are people, we have lives, we do not sit here looking for work. Please, don't feel offended :-). I'm a professional developer, and I'm used to be treated as a "human resource". But I don't take that personally, I don't feel my humanity

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

>I think, that many developers just seek for an opportunity to realize their ambitions somewhere. If it were true, then no open source project would have a lack of man power. We don't control the name of bzr branches, we don't even control the existence of branches as launchpad shows everyones

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net" <kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net> Datum: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 14:32:13 +0100 Předmět: Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation > Hello, > > a good topic and good ideas, in my

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

Hello, a good topic and good ideas, in my opinion. Though it should be the core developers who should say that. A few weeks ago I was performing my own small research in what EDA tools are available. I was looking for a schema_drawing-simulator-pcb_creator all-in-one app. And found none (free).

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

My responses below are pretty well known to most of the devs that have been here a while. For the folks new to the mailing list, please read on. I should probably put a lot of this in some type of formal developer documentation ("A Word from the Project Leader"???) so that I do not have to keep

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

I would like to add just a little to this: over the last few years, many people on this list have spent a lot of time making the developer community a friendlier place. This is not easy, and required hard decisions by many people. Additionally, people have worked hard to make it easier to

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

>This is exactly the reason why these "competent" developers should be shared >and cooperated among projects. You are treating developers as a some sort of object. We are people, we have lives, we do not sit here looking for work. We pick what we like to do and work on it if we have time. You

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

On 11/4/2015 11:33 AM, Adam Wolf wrote: > I would like to add just a little to this: over the last few years, > many people on this list have spent a lot of time making the developer > community a friendlier place. This is not easy, and required hard > decisions by many people. > >

Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation

h <stambau...@gmail.com> Příjemce: kicad-developers@lists.launchpad.net Datum: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 11:00:17 -0500 Předmět: Re: [Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation > My responses below are pretty well known to most of the d

[Kicad-developers] About collaboration, simulation, documentation, organisation, usability and documentation (Was: Re: Bug #1511552 - Fixes to Incorrect export of Spice net-list from EESchema)

Hello I'm just a lurker and still not started to contribute, but I have some ideas: - Indian Institute of Technology Bombay: I see technological and educational institutions as potential contributors at this stage of development. Indian Institute of Technology Bombay developed the Oscad package