KR> Ethanol

Firstly, I will try to respond to questions and comments about ethanol / my KR build as soon as I can. The upcoming events and work load my company is seeing may take up a large portion of my "free" time. Thank y'all for being patient. Something I might need to add: I noticed someone mention

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Thanks,good additionial data points!Regards,Bill Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 11:41 AM, Gibson Racing Group via KRnet wrote: Hey, guys.? I usually just lurk, absorb the (often extremely) useful information I run across here, and take the rest with a grain of

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Hey, guys. I usually just lurk, absorb the (often extremely) useful information I run across here, and take the rest with a grain of salt. I was also on vacation so might have missed part of this conversation, However, having spent a great deal of time with methanol/ethanol in racing, I

KR> Ethanol Discussion (more than you ever wanted to know...)

Andrew, Appreciate you sharing your insights and research results, and I have a couple of questions that I'm genuinely interested in the answers to: I read through your information and am wondering about this statement you made: "We slosh anodized our Cessna tanks..." I'm not aware that it is

KR> Ethanol-free autofuel

A quick and easy to test for alcohol in fuel is to use a clear water or soda bottle. Put approx one inch of water in an empty bottle and mark the level with a felt tip pen. Fill remainder of bottle with gas to be tested and shake for 5 seconds or so. Allow to set for a minute or two and,

KR> Ethanol

Turbochargers and/or Superchargers love the way the input temps drop on ethanol. Granted the milage is only 1/4 mile at a time. Most dedicated drag cars that run very high boost shy away from gasoline as you dont need to cool inlet temps artificially with water injection in the air

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Andrew,The information that you provided is sincerely appreciated. People may have different opinions. BUT you cannot argue with the that much solid data.Thanks again. Bill Jacobs -- Original message--From: Andrew Sugg via KRnet Date: Mon, Jun 6, 2016 1:17 PMTo: krnet at

KR> Ethanol-free autofuel - be careful what you buy!

On the subject of ethanol-free gasoline, be careful where you buy it. I don't recommend "no-name" independent gas stations...those with names that you've never seen or are very small chains that sell really cheap gas, and for good reason. Where I live, about 5 years ago almost all of the

KR> Ethanol

as to whether or not you want to try it. Ron On Mon, 6/6/16, Mike Stirewalt via KRnet wrote: Subject: KR> Ethanol To: krnet at list.krnet.org Cc: laser147 at juno.com Date: Monday, June 6, 2016, 1:52 PM I had an old Cadillac with a compu

KR> Ethanol

Mark W. N952MW (res) >Tony King wrote. >-Original Message- >From: KRnet [mailto:krnet-bounces at list.krnet.org] On Behalf Of Tony King >via KRnet >Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 10:29 PM >To: KRnet >Cc: Tony King >Subject: Re: KR> Ethan

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/2016 3:19 PM (GMT-05:00) To: KRnet Cc: Ronald Wright Subject: Re: KR> Ethanol It is a simple matter to separate the ethanol out of the gas.? They recommend using Premium fuel due to a drop in octane when taking the ethanol out.? Get a clear tank, add ethanol fuel, dump in water and wa

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Tony - Even full aircraft can be modified for ethanol use. Our fleet was donated or purchased aicraft. We simply pull what components we needed and anodized the alluminum, and replaced natural rubber with teflon. - The water issue is another reason we did the test. Ethanol is moonshine, and

KR> Ethanol

at list.krnet.org Cc: Pete Klapp Subject: Re: KR> Ethanol Ron Ethanol free fuel is also available at many marinas, at least here in Ohio. Pete Klapp, building KR-2S N729PK, Canton, Ohio > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 19:19:39 + > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Ethano

KR> Ethanol

Ron Ethanol free fuel is also available at many marinas, at least here in Ohio. Pete Klapp, building KR-2S N729PK, Canton, Ohio > Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 19:19:39 + > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Ethanol > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > CC: ronwr

KR> Ethanol

STCs are still valid. Original Message Subject: KR> Ethanol From: Mike Stirewalt via KRnet List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Mon, June 06, 2016 11:52 am To: krnet at list.krnet.org Cc: laser147 at juno.com I had an old Cadillac with a computer display that would read out

KR> Ethanol

Of andrew via KRnet Sent: Monday, 6 June 2016 1:07 PM To: krnet at list.krnet.org Cc: andrew Subject: KR> Ethanol Here goes the spoon feed ?Don?t use it?. As I?m working on blue prints for the KRSuper1, and getting my outside research done. I am settled on one huge taboo of the aviat

KR> Ethanol

The two primary objections to ethanol seem to be corrosion/degradatiion of fuel system components and its tendency to absorb water. As you've pointed out, the corrosion can be dealt with at design stage quite readily - just specify appropriate materials. The water issue doesn't seem so

KR> Ethanol

*What about high altitude flying in the winter *time?? I have gone to 100LL in the winter because of accational carb icing. ?Would the moisture absorbed by ethanol fuel contribute to carb icing? Joe Nunley?CW2 US Army RetiredBaker JROTC Instructor?Baker Florida?

KR> Ethanol

What about high altitude flying in the winter time? Sense ethanol will hold moisture how do you prevent freezing? Sounds like you all have done a lot of research just ask. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 6, 2016, at 2:27 AM, billjacobs386 at yahoo.com via KRnet list.krnet.org> wrote: > > > >

KR> Ethanol

I had an old Cadillac with a computer display that would read out my real-time fuel consumption. I imagine most cars have such things these days, althoiugh the Oldsmobile that I replaced my beloved Cadillac with doesn't. Whenever I would drive cross country and got into the mid-west where

KR> Ethanol

Probably the same reason most auto oriented stay away. Availability. I agree with everything you said. Fuel consumption increases slightly to compensate for power density. Some of the fastest cars on the planet run it and i would set up for it too. If i could RELIABLY find it.My 2C

KR> Ethanol

my FIRST thought upon reading that (besides how interesting it is) is what does this mean for E90 from the local Shell station because, economically, thats the cheapest to run. I then think of "vapor lock" which seems to be the primary concern, followed by water absorption and corrosion. I am

KR> Ethanol

Here goes the spoon feed ?Don?t use it?. As I?m working on blue prints for the KRSuper1, and getting my outside research done. I am settled on one huge taboo of the aviation community. This bad boy is going to be tuned and built to run primarily on ethanol. ?But Cessna and the big aviation

KR> Ethanol

Build your own design and call it something else. Steve Glover Sent from my electronic leash. > On Jun 5, 2016, at 20:06, andrew via KRnet wrote: > > Here goes the spoon feed ?Don?t use it?. > > As I?m working on blue prints for the KRSuper1, and getting my outside > research done. I am

KR> ethanol-free fuel link

We now have 90UL Avgas which is cleared for use on most engines like Lycomings in the UK. It is 20% cheaper than 100LL and our fuel costs are way higher than in the US. I have been running it in by PA28 140 for about a year with no ill effects. Peter Drake UK "It will be a great day when

KR> ethanol-free fuel link

There are many stories just like this one. What is that old saying, "pay me now, or pay me later"? Well, flying is expensive. It took me a long time to come to the conclusion that if I wanted to fly, I was going to have to pay at one end or the other. So, I choose to have the convenience of

KR> ethanol-free fuel link

I replaced the fiberglass wing tanks in my KR-2 with welded aluminum tanks. Ethanol in the mogas, that I was trying to use, was dissolving the Vinyl Ester resin rather quickly. Rubber components in the carb were being hardened and would not seal. (Lots of fun and excitement when the carb

KR> ethanol-free fuel link

Pure gasoline should be good with glass & plastic tanks... Ethanol degrades certain rubber-ish compounds & the interior of some varieties of fuel-lines... The 'mush-ifying' of fuel-tanks has been a problem for fiberglass boats, too... So even without glass tanks... 'Keep the booze in your

KR> ethanol-free fuel link

packed in the carb inlet. The Cherokee 235 had the tip tanks softened to the point where they were deforming from the air pressures in flight. ? -Jeff Scott > - Original Message - > From: Dj Merrill > Sent: 08/03/13 09:45 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> etha

KR> ethanol-free fuel link

On Aug 3, 2013, at 11:37 PM, "Jeff Scott" wrote: > > I have seen disastrous results from using alcohol contaminated fuel in glass > tanks. One was thousands of $$ damage to the fuel system of a Cherokee 235 > and the other totaled the plane (a Grumman Cheetah), so be sure to test your >

KR> ethanol-free fuel link

This last winter the cost of 100LL finally hit my pain threshhold when I realized I had burned $7000 in 100LL during 2012. ?With a $2 per gallon difference, burning Mogas will make a significant impact over the course of a year. ?In February I dragged my old 100 gallon tank out of storage,

KR> ethanol-free fuel link

NetHeads, For those who'd rather burn ethanol-free fuel, there's a website that lists most known vendors in the US and Canada at http://www.pure-gas.org/ . They also have free iPhone and Android apps that will guide you to a nearby station, along with pertinent info such as octane ratings.

KR> ethanol

:20 AM To: corvaircr...@mylist.net; kr...@mylist.net Subject: KR> ethanol Hey Guys,I don't usually foreword stuff but this petition looks real enough to me concerning the future introduction of ethanol into the fuel supplies. I signed it and gave reason .Joe Horton http://www.thepetitionsite.

KR> ethanol

Hey Guys,I don't usually foreword stuff but this petition looks real enough to me concerning the future introduction of ethanol into the fuel supplies. I signed it and gave reason .Joe Horton http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/keep-pure-gas/

KR> ethanol and the Ellison

ovember 30, 2009 6:01 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> ethanol and the Ellison Precautions>>>> http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_engine_precautions.html ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp to UNsubscribe f

KR> ethanol and the Ellison

Of Lee Parker Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 6:40 AM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> ethanol and the Ellison I have a friend who has had several race cars.  He said they tested the 100LL against 93 octane auto gas and the auto gas came out with more horse power on the  dynometer.  He also said the a

KR> ethanol and the Ellison

, 11/30/09, Tim <t...@telus.net> wrote: From: Tim <t...@telus.net> Subject: Re: KR> ethanol and the Ellison To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 8:01 AM Precautions>>>> http://www.fuel-

KR> ethanol and the Ellison

Precautions http://www.fuel-testers.com/ethanol_engine_precautions.html

KR> ethanol and the Ellison

don't run a Car engine ;-) - Original Message - From: "Mark Langford" <n5...@hiwaay.net> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 6:52 AM Subject: Re: KR> ethanol and the Ellison Mike Stirewalt wrote: > ethanol. And who know

KR> ethanol and the Ellison

Mike Stirewalt wrote: > ethanol. And who knows what it might be doing to diaphragms & other > fittings inside the Ellison? I know a guy who's had an Ellison diaphragm in a jar of E85 (85% ethanol) for several years and it still looks like a new one. But as Larry would say, "your mileage may

KR> ethanol

Hi Netters. re Issue 186 on 25 Apr 06. Lets face it, there is going to be a shortage of gasoline in the future. We in the airplane group are a tiny drop in the pot. No one is going to make special fuel for us. Go with the flow and that is ethanol. Adapt now. No aluminum fuel lines. Ethanol

KR> ethanol

Harold: I have no idea what the FAA's reasoning is but when they issue an STC to permit the use of Autogas in an aircraft engine they stipulate that such fuel must NOT contain alcohol. I do know that older auto engines, ones built before alcohol blending began, were equiped with many ancillary

KR> Ethanol

It is my understanding that this why alcohol and straight pump gas has never been endorsed by the FAA: alcohol absorbs water. Water in fuel creates a nightmare of problems from freezing at altitude to low power, etc… That is why MOGAS at airports has the same rating in octane but is refined

KR> Ethanol

Beverly & Colin Rainey wrote: > > Personally, everything I read leads me to draw the conclusion that the > engine of the future in GA aviation will be run on JET A, kerosene. > They already have several diesels that run successfully on it, and it > is just a matter of time before they eclipse the

KR> Ethanol

Netters: Gleaned from new accounts it has came to my attention that the military uses a grade of diesel fuel that fuels everything from HumVees to aircrft. Of course they do it for logistical reasons. This fact came to my attention in a news report where in the background I observed a "Chopper"

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lez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 27/05/2006 05:17 Pour : <kr...@mylist.net> cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : KR> ethanol Hi Netters. re Issue 186 on 25 Apr 06. Lets face it, there is going to be a shortage of gasoline in the future. We in

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> Paris, France > > > > "Harold Woods" <haroldwo...@rogers.com> > > Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net > 27/05/2006 05:16 > Veuillez répondre à KRnet > Remis le : 27/05/2006 05:17 > > > Pour : <kr...@mylist.net> >

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t-boun...@mylist.net 28/05/2006 14:43 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 28/05/2006 14:44 Pour : KRnet <kr...@mylist.net> cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : Re: Réf. : KR> ethanol KR-netters: Has anyone explored using the old or newer VW diese

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:00 PM > >To: KRnet > >Subject: Re: KR> Ethanol > > > FAA says that ethynol blends are a NO-NO. > > I have been flying 93 octane ethynol blens with absolutely no > problemsmaybe I have just been lucky so far. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI >

KR> Ethanol

I was watching a film on TV a couple of days ago that showed a Mooney flying on pure ethynol. I then read an article in the Saint Paul paper that said that it cost $2.74 per gallon to make ethynol. Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patric...@usfamily.net http://www.freewebs.com/patrick1936/ LIFE MAY

KR> Ethanol

Pat: I wonder what mods were made to the engine/carburator/injection system to permit that because in the STC's it is clearly stated no alcohol. Don Pat Driscoll wrote: > I was watching a film on TV a couple of days

KR> Ethanol

It takes twice as much ethanol than gasoline to do the same task, and when they blend 10% ethanol, you're losing 5% in value. Ethanol is a big joke, ranking just behind hydrogen as a good idea. Think about how they make hydrogen. In our imperfect government, they'll probably use ethanol to fuel

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et> Envoyé par : krnet-boun...@mylist.net 24/04/2006 18:06 Veuillez répondre à KRnet Remis le : 24/04/2006 18:06 Pour : "'KRnet'" <kr...@mylist.net> cc :(ccc : Serge VIDAL/DNSA/SAGEM) Objet : RE: KR> Ethanol It takes twice as much ethano

KR> Ethanol

Ron: You have it about right on fuel economy and unfortunately there are to few diesel a/c engines available as they are a challenge for weight reasons. A diesel would be great as you can run #6 fuel oil or "Jet A" in one. That is what the military has done for logistics reasons as all their

KR> Ethanol

Don wrote:I wonder what mods were made to the engine/carburator/injection system According to the announcer, only drilling out a couple of ports in the carb were needed Pat Driscoll Saint Paul, MN patric...@usfamily.net http://www.freewebs.com/patrick1936/ LIFE MAY NOT BE THE PARTY WE HOPED

KR> Ethanol

Pat: I can see that but that alone will not adjust for the higher volitility that causes vapor locking and alcohol is very hygroscopic which can also cause problems, Some seal materials are also adversely affected so that would need to be checked out and addressed. Don

KR> Ethanol

Hi all is this going to be a problem running in are aircraft? and if so what can we do . most guys at the airport don't seem to really know . im not going back to avgas it just devastates the valve seats in vw engines . mac n1055a still flying the vw powered Kr

KR> Ethanol

--- flymaca711...@aol.com wrote: > im not going back to > avgas it just devastates the valve seats in vw > engines . Anybody know WHY it trashes the valve seats in VW engines? Scott __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best

KR> Ethanol

Low lead. - Original Message - From: "Scott William" <scot...@yahoo.com> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 10:52 PM Subject: Re: KR> Ethanol > > > --- flymaca711...@aol.com wrote: > > >> im not goi

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Auto gas has NO lead. Anybody else? Scott --- James R Freeman <jrfree...@highland.net> wrote: > Low lead. > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott William" <scot...@yahoo.com> > To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> > Sent: Su

KR> Ethanol

Rnet" <kr...@mylist.net> > > Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 10:52 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> Ethanol > > > >> > Anybody know WHY it trashes the valve seats in VW > > > engines? > > > > > > Scott > > > > &g

KR> Ethanol

, farm, or other off road use. - Original Message - From: "Scott William" <scot...@yahoo.com> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:20 PM Subject: Re: KR> Ethanol > > Auto gas has NO lead. > > Anybody else? > >

KR> Ethanol

This is a good point. Based on my experience with it, it vapor-locks at sea level so I wouldn't want to fly with it. Scott --- D F Lively wrote: potential > forvapor-lock at altitude when > used. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired

KR> Ethanol

>-Original Message- >From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On >Behalf Of D F Lively >Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2006 11:00 PM >To: KRnet >Subject: Re: KR> Ethanol > FAA says that ethynol blends are a NO-NO. I have been flying

KR> Ethanol Gasoline Issue

The use of ethanol blend gasoline has many more ramifications that just O rings and carb parts. The ethanol gasoline has a lower vapor pressure that straight gasoline which may give you trouble at higher altitudes above 8,000' It absorbs water and holds it suspended in your fuel. Carb icing

KR> Ethanol

In their great wisdom and ignorance of the consequences, the Kansas state legislature has passed a law that PROHIBITS the filling stations from indicating if the gasoline contains alcohol, except for the E85 designation (the farm lobby is strong here). Consequently, you can believe that they

KR> Ethanol

The problem is that they are probaly cheaper and the aviation industry couldn't have that :-) -Original Message- They obviously make alcohol resistant rubbers that are used in automotive systems and how much more could they possibly cost? Brian Kraut -End Original Message-