In response to Lynn's information about Crowood not being able to identify the
title, I've sent them all the information about the mat i.e. the fact that it
was a supplement, the format it took, what was printed on it, the paper folder
it came in, e.t.c., publication details of In the Cause of
It's possible that Ruth Bean was licenced,by C C Channer's heirs, to use the
pricking, but the copyright remained with her heirs. If that is the case then
only the artwork for the Ruth Bean version will be copyrighted to Ruth Bean's
heirs.
Brenda
On 8 Jan 2014, at 08:16, Jean Nathan wrote:
I've already had a rely from Crowood:
Thank you for your reply. We understand that Ruth
Bean published it as a
supplement to the title In the Cause of English
Lace, however, so far we have
been unable to trace the artwork for
it.
Yours
Ken Hathaway
Whether that means they'll continue
Just looked at the Copyright Law page again and it states that:
For literary, dramatic, musical or artistic works70 years from the end of the
calendar year in which the last remaining author of the work dies.If
the
author is unknown, copyright will last for 70 years from end of the
calendar
Happy New Year Diana
I've been following with interest the posts about Miss Channer's mat and
wonder if it might be a good idea to contact Tricia Bury, as she might
possibly know a little more of the history relating to the pricking(s)?
Fond Regards
Cathy
Catherine Barley Needlelace
My 1928 first edition of 'Pratical Lacemaking - Bucks Point-Ground' says
exacty the same. There is no other mention that I can find in the text of the
mat.
I have in the past recognised some of the component parts as having
come from other, possibly older, designs. I guess that is only to be
I was in contact with Channer family members some years ago - not now though.
Vera, a niece of Miss Channer, came to spend a day with me with her son and his
partner. As you can imagine I was thrilled. We took them to the church as
Desborough where Miss Channers father had been vicar in the
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Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:38 AM
Subject: Re: [lace] Miss Channer
Dear Friends,
Could I congratulate David on yet another excellent piece of lace.
And may I also publicly acknowledge Julian's promptness and
efficiency in posting all my photos. Miss Channer went to the framers
David has just signed off arachne for 10 days or do to go walkabout in the
Australian outback, which he does each year. Usually he comes back with
photos of him sitting in a stream making lace.
However he will not be around to receive the message you just sent and
answer its questions.
I
On May 4, 2009, at 11:40, Julian Jefferson wrote:
You will be glad to learn that David has completed the mat which can
be viewed at:
http://www.margorsson.com/Margorsson_Design/
Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.html
Super job, David! Funny... I had never been a fan of that mat before
but
Greetings arachnids from a wet May Bank Holiday Rochdale.
You will be glad to learn that David has completed the mat which can
be viewed at:
http://www.margorsson.com/Margorsson_Design/Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.html
He has promised to send pictures of the lace off the pillow. When he
Subject: [lace] Miss Channer
Greetings arachnids from a wet May Bank Holiday Rochdale.
You will be glad to learn that David has completed the mat which can
be viewed at:
http://www.margorsson.com/Margorsson_Design/Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.html
He has promised to send pictures
Congratulations - What a fantastic achievement. Thanks for keeping us
appraised at the progress.
And how does one sew in that many ends?
Diane Z
Lubec, Maine
USA
On May 4, 2009, at 11:40 AM, Julian Jefferson wrote:
Greetings arachnids from a wet May Bank Holiday Rochdale.
You will be
in the past 3
months That's beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
Beth McCasland
in a very stormy New Orleans
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Sent: May 4, 2009 10:40 AM
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Subject: [lace] Miss Channer
Greetings arachnids from a wet May Bank
That's a fantastic achievement David - do you ever go to sleep?
Brenda
On 4 May 2009, at 16:40, Julian Jefferson wrote:
You will be glad to learn that David has completed the mat which can
be viewed at:
http://www.margorsson.com/Margorsson_Design/
Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.html
That is such a beautiful piece of lace, David. I can only imagine it made in
white/ecru, but I think it has a different character being made in black.
Looking forward to a photo of it off the pillow.
Lesley
in a very rainy Marple, Cheshire, UK
and hoping the rain keeps the patients out
of AE
Congratulations David, another superb piece of lace made as usual at top
speed.
Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK
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Dear David,
Yet again I am totally blown away by the amazing skill that you have.
Very nice job! Can't wait to see it off the pillow and 'up close'!
Thanks for sharing!
And Julian, thank you for doing this so we can all enjoy David's lovely
work.
bobbi
On Mon, 4 May 2009 16:40:16 +0100 Julian
Dear Friends,
Could I congratulate David on yet another excellent piece of lace.
And may I also publicly acknowledge Julian's promptness and
efficiency in posting all my photos. Miss Channer went to the framers
this morning.
I can now tell you that she took 158 pairs of bobbins plus 14
At 02:11 AM 5/05/2009, Beth McCasland wrote:
All I have to say is Wow! David, did you sleep or eat at all in
the past 3 months That's beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
Thanks Beth - just the usual 4 hours a night LOL
David
Beth McCasland
in a very stormy New Orleans
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At 02:21 AM 5/05/2009, Diane Zierold wrote:
Congratulations - What a fantastic achievement. Thanks for keeping us
appraised at the progress.
And how does one sew in that many ends?
You don't even attempt to - just cut them off.
David
Diane Z
Lubec, Maine
USA
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David that is an astounding piece of lace. The other astounding thing is
how do you manage your time so well - you have so much on the go.
Lynn in the Gong
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At 04:13 PM 16/04/2009, Lynn Scott wrote:
David that is an astounding piece of lace. The other astounding thing is
how do you manage your time so well - you have so much on the go.
Lynn,
lace is my relaxation therapy and I wouldn't start any day without it
- at least 3 or 4 hours of it :)
What a lovely piece and I do like it in Black as well as White.
Sue T Dorset UK
David has sent an update on his progress which can be seen at
http://www.margorsson.com/Margorsson_Design/Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.html
Enjoy!!!
Julian Jefferson
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David has sent an update on his progress which can be seen at
http://www.margorsson.com/Margorsson_Design/Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.html
Enjoy!!!
Julian Jefferson
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Julian,
Thank you for sharing this with us.
David, it is spectacular! I can't wait to see the finished piece!
Keep up the great work!
bobbi
On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 01:59:04 +0100 Julian Jefferson
ja.jeffer...@virgin.net writes:
David has sent an update on his progress which can be seen at
Dear Alex,
right now I'm very snowed under preparing to conduct Thurlow Weed's
world premiere next Saturday and frankly my mind is on that rather
than lace making techniques.
What I can say off the top of my head is that Chantilly is far more
than just black and half-stitch. I have
Dear David
I am very curious as to why working Miss Channer's mat in black with half
stitch for the 'clothwork' areas should be called 'going Chantilly'. Surely
you are just making Bucks Point using black thread. Bucks Point was frequrntly
made using black thread and then the 'clothwprk' areas
Other thing used are little nylon bags full of holes, with a ribbon on
the top that slips inside a plastic piece. When you press the button of
the plastic piece, pulling the ribbon at the same time, the bag closes,
(difficult to explain for me in English). These bags come into soap
powder
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On Behalf Of David in Ballarat
Sent: Monday 09 March 2009 14:56
To: bev walker; Cher
Cc: lace@arachne.com
Subject: Re: [lace] Miss Channer receives.../ideas for
stacking bobbins
I watched a lacemaker working with hundreds of Midlands
pairs, a big Beds
I guess much depends on how exact you want your bobbins to stay in order, or
don't mind to untwist a few. On the details of the congne page you see how
they don't mind too much. I saw them working this way. They just touch the
bobbins looking at their work to see which thread moves and thus know
http://www.dentellieres.com/Musee/Cogne/cogne2.htm
And if you look at the lace on the bolster pillow, they have no pricking and
are just working freehand torchon lace with pins only on the outside edge,
with impressive tension!
Sue Babbs
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Dear Clay,
Not everyone works with spangled bobbins. I have to say, those
spangles come in handy for keeping the bobbins in order, but I
rarely use this kind of bobbin. Continental bobbins present their
own set of challenges. My favorite system (which I have not come
even *close* to
I watched a lacemaker working with hundreds of Midlands pairs, a big Beds.
piece on a large cookie pillow, and she was able to pick up groups of
bobbins, twist the bundle once so that the leader threads were all together,
and left them back of the pillow.
Now THAT'S an intriguing idea which I
David in Ballarat d.collye...@aapt.net.au wrote:
I have to say I've often wondering just how Continental bobbins are
kept in any sort of order without any spangles to thread on things.-
Other things used with continentals are:
knitted/crocheted strips with holes to poke the bobbin
Dear Margot,
I've tried that and it didn't work for me.
What I've made are like giant safety pins - 2 from each plastic
coated coat hanger cut in half. Each of these will hold about 32
bobbins, but we are talking close to 400 bobbins here.
I did try that method where I threaded a hundred or
To: Margot Walker; ARACHNE
Subject: Re: [lace] Miss Channer receives a Proposal
Dear Margot,
I've tried that and it didn't work for me.
What I've made are like giant safety pins - 2 from each plastic
coated coat hanger cut in half. Each of these will hold about 32
bobbins, but we are talking
I've been told that one of the things that separates *really* good
lacemakers from *merely* good lacemakers is their ability to manage huge
numbers of bobbins. And to a small extent, this can't be learned from a
book or from a set of rules... every piece which requires hundreds of
bobbins
This is a good idea for a given amount of a lot of bobbins. The pattern I
was working on with 140 continental pairs, I shifted groups out of the way
in layers, first placed a group on a stick (the stick with an elastic
threaded end to end), then the stick on a work cloth, and stacked them
On 8 Mar 2009, at 16:04, Clay Blackwell wrote:
My favorite system (which I have not come even *close* to
mastering...) is when those huge 12 pins are used to scoop up 6 -
8 bobbins at a time and stack them vertically in front of another
set...
That's what gave me the idea of using hat
David in Ballarat d.collye...@aapt.net.au wrote:
I've tried that and it didn't work for me.
I did try that method where I threaded a hundred or so onto one long
piece of electric wire, but they didn't come off easily enough.
--
An option I find useful with spangled bobbins is a short
Dear Friends,
Firstly I would personally like to thank Julian for the wonderful job
he is doing maintaining that website whereon he posts my photos.
I am currently at about the half way mark with Miss Channer and
finding the going quite tough. Not the stitches themselves - the
tediousness
On 7 Mar 2009, at 07:51, David in Ballarat wrote:
I am currently at about the half way mark with Miss Channer and
finding the going quite tough. Not the stitches themselves - the
tediousness comes in managing the sheer number of bobbins, which
are all indeed necessary. I now have the
Sounds like a great idea David, so come on all you folk who have been brave
enough to tackle it lets see how much variation in techniques have been
achieved.
Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK
Where I have been to our laceday today and bought some absolutely lovely
imitation silk threads in beautiful
: RE: [lace] Miss Channer receives a Proposal
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 21:46:25 +
Sounds like a great idea David, so come on all you folk who have been brave
enough to tackle it lets see how much variation in techniques have been
achieved.
Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK
Where I have been to our
You can see how David is getting on with the mat:
http://www.margorsson.com/Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.html
Thanks
Julian
Julian Jefferson
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Following on from David's piece of Tønder I have now uploaded pictures
of his latest project:
Miss Channer's Mat goes Chantilly.
http://www.margorsson.com/Miss_Channers_Mat_goes_Chantilly.html
You may also be interested to know that on the Men n' Lace pages I
have included information
Another incredible piece of lace work!
Thanks Julian for putting the pictures where we can all see them.
And congratulations to David on finishing his Tonder piece (I'm green with
envy at the skill and patience it must have taken)
Beth
in Cheshire, NW England
Julian wrote:
Following on from
I have heard of a few items disappearing at lace days, - and I think it is
dreadful that another lacemaker would do such a thing.
When I am demonstrating, I have lace on display - but aways pinned up on a
display board behind me.
I was doing kit piece at a Stitches and Craft show many years ago
Dear Diana,
Thank you for sharing your visit with the family of Miss Channer. You say
I was shown a family photograph album, including a picture
of Catherine, aged 16, taken when she was at school in Switzerland
Do you know what school she attended? I am wondering if it was the one that
As the list is quiet at the moment I thought I would tell you what an
enjoyable time I had yesterday. I had three guests for the day, one being
Vera, aged 91, the niece of Catherine C. Channer, she was accompanied by her
son and his partner. Vera is the daughter of Frances Channer, younger
typicall lacers - I could make that ... if I had all the bobbins
grin
Liz
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are right - it is NOT morally right
Liz
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dated 27/08/2003 22:01:05 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
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Date: 27/08/2003 22:01:05 GMT Standard Time
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As, I understand it, the principle behind copyright law is to encourage
creativity by ensuring that those who invest effort in a pattern or other
intellectual property may profit from it. Publishers who take the risk in publishing
the work are also deserving of the right to profit. I believe
I knew when I sent the message earlier today that a few replies would
be posted. All of the copyright information you ever wanted to know is
on the Internet. First, international copyright legislation is for the
most part governed by the Berne Convention, which you will find at:
From: Bev Walker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I prefer to make my original designs available through lace magazines, for
the
price of buying the magazine.
OK, we've been exploring copyright law through the hypothetical example of
Miss Channer's mat. And Vivienne, I do believe most of the messages
Some years ago at a lace convention a lawyer addressed us on the subject of
copyright. It was an amusing presentation because the orientation of the talk
was the supposition that members of the audience may have designed something
that they would like to protect and how to do that. However, all
A couple of things... the first is that the pricking published by Ruth
Bean is not the original but an adaptation by Anne Buck of the original.
Perhaps she can have some influence on the possibility of republishing
the pricking? Does anyone know when Ruth Bean Publishers started in
business? If it
Consider the following dark scenario.
The president of Ruth Bean finds that the e-mail campaigns to republish
Channer are now coming quarterly, rather than yearly. The increasingly angry tone
of these campaigns suggests that some people who would not engage in illicit
photocopying might engage
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Subject: RE: [lace] Miss Channer/enforcement issues (Soapbox)
From: Marcie Greer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Second
Yes, if you own something it is your right what you do with it. Also a lot of
the people on this soap box have never seen the mat, second it is quite
boring, third they couldn't do it and finally the only thing that excites people is
the number of bobbins!
KEEP LACING, VIVIENNE,
Sorry to intrude, Ladies, but as an attorney, I would like to remind you
that law is nothing unless it can be enforced. Enforcement through the
courts is a very expensive proposition. Copyright litigation can easily go
into the tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars. So if the
infraction
the mat - but was not an exact duplication -
would that be a violation of copyright?
Clay
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So, Tom, if someone
Any thoughts of stealing copies of the mat are dreadful. However annoying
it may be not being able to get a copy even copying and giving it to your
friend is illegal. Okay perhaps I feel really strongly about it because Biggins
design and produce patterns which are blatantly copied but it is
need at least eight for a complete place setting. Anyone game?
Tom Andrews
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So, Tom, if someone
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Hi Tom, and Devon, and other lacemakers!
To take this question in a slightly different direction, how
much
Dear Friends,
I have spent about 10 hours today working on the pricking for Miss
Channer's Mat, which will be my next project starting tomorrow.
For some years now I've looked at it and wanted to reduce it to a size
suitable for 2/20 silk. The problem was that the pricking was too large for
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