Re: [lace] Happy Anniversary

[Diana Smith]

Definitely a hankie ‘for show not blow’!

Happy anniversary everyone.

Diana Smith in Northamptonshire 

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Re: [lace] Hand carved bobbins - East Midlands

[Diana Smith]

Hello Brian, Alex and everyone 

I believe hand carved/decorated bobbins were produced more for sentimental 
reasons, often made or decorated by, and for, a loved one and thus were 
possibly kept safe when collections were disposed of.

In the last few years I have tried to concentrate on collecting, and comparing, 
whenever possible East Midlands bobbins of this genre. I’ve found two possible 
makers producing hand carved bobbins in quantities and possibly commercially. 
I’ve also found that many lathe turned examples have later hand decoration. At 
this point I should point out that unfortunately very few are dated, also the 
only possible way of identifying is in comparing the shape of the head and/or 
tail etc,. 

The High Wycombe area of South Buckinghamshire is well know, even today, for 
the production of chairs therefore any discarded offcuts would have been 
extremely useful to bobbin turners such as the Saunders family of Waddesdon and 
accounts for the variety they used to produce the wooden bobbins they 
specialised in, I’ve only found one bone example made by them.

‘Pocket knife’ bobbins are not necessarily the earliest, I have one dated mid 
eighteen hundreds and another very late 1914 example. 

Diana Smith in Northamptonshire 

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Re: [lace] (progress report) and Malmsbury bobbins (Long)

[Diana Smith]

I guess by now many people will have realised that I’m the shy bobbin 
collector! I’ve offered my help to many people who needed pictures of bobbins 
for various reasons - I’m always happy to help if I can.

When 25+ years ago a chap from the other side of the world contacted me about 
old bobbin research I thought (sorry Brian!) - what a weirdo and that’s putting 
it nicely! But I thought I’d go along with him - chances to exchange news, 
views and info on old bobbins were few and far between. 

Then of all things he wanted to visit! I mean he was in Australia for heavens 
sake! Ok so I thought I’d still go along with it, I was just one of a number of 
contacts he had in this country. 

So while Jean was off doing her own thing my husband and I entertained Brian, I 
’fed’ him bobbins by the score while he photographed them. Actually we had a 
great time. And as they say the rest is history, we’ve corresponded on and off 
now for many years collaborating on various projects on East Midlands bobbins - 
sometimes I despair at his typos but he’s so enthusiastic as I’m sure you're 
all aware!!

Diana Smith in Northamptonshire 

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[lace] Enjoy!

[Diana Smith]

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Re: [lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue

[Diana Smith]

Dear Louise 
Thank you very much for that. 
I must confess a little disappointment that there wasn’t more info but I guess 
Prince Albert wasn’t to know I’d be searching a hundred and sixty odd years 
later!
Now I wonder where Thomas Wright got the information for his book - maybe from 
a local Olney source.
Regards
Diana

> On 11 Oct 2019, at 08:28, Louise Bailey  wrote:
> 
> Oops can't see for looking.  'Lace pillow with lace in progress employing 
> upwards of 600 bobbins each having a separate thread' right there on the 
> first page.
> 
> The rain must have addled my eyes
> 
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Re: [lace] 1851 Great Exhibition catalogue

[Diana Smith]

Thank you for the link Brian. After scrolling up, down and inside out I’ve 
learnt there are five catalogues of the exhibition. After considerable time 
studying what turned out to be only other countries of the world I managed to 
find a short reference to Lacemaking in the East Midlands.

Page 112 (can’t remember which catalogue - sorry)
“Mr B Hill of Olney exhibited several specimens of Buckinghamshire pillow lace 
of very pleasing patterns, and all admirably executed. In the production of the 
specimen engraved comprising oak branch with pendant acorns there are upwards 
of 700 bobbins employed.” 

I must add that I have an old sample of this lace.

“A good notion of the process of Lacemaking was afforded by a lace pillow 
exhibited by Messrs Groucock & Co, which was placed on one of the bridges in 
Class X1X and which deservedly attracted much observation, on account of its 
singular appearance and the exceeding fineness of the lace in process of making 
upon it.”

I’ve not heard of Groucock & co, pity their location wasn’t included - more 
research maybe!
Diana 

> On 10 Oct 2019, at 08:14, Maureen  wrote:
> 
> I remember Barbara Underwood saying that Thomas Lester used family and 
> friends for his complicated patterns as they would not be cost effective for 
> the average lacemaker. Maybe they used ivory bobbins.  I always thought it 
> would be impossible for antique bobbins to be ivory but maybe there are some 
> about.  I do have one ivory Bobbin which was made by Richard Gravestock, 
> possibly early to mid 1980s just before it became illegal to sell ivory.  And 
> I have an Antique ivory parasol but I have no idea how old it is.  Even if it 
> was legal I wouldn’t buy ivory now.
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[lace] 1851 Great exhibition bobbins

[Diana Smith]

I decided to come out from the shadow of my friend and fellow old bobbin freak 
Brian Lemin to post a question of my own. 

Having said previously that I only have one old ivory bobbin in the collection 
I remembered a special pair purchased some years ago from reputable dealer Anne 
Swift. They have the provenance  of being “one of a set of 144 made for the 
1851 Crystal Palace Exhibition - ivory bobbins”.

On page 221 of Thomas Wrights book Romance of the Lace Pillow he writes of the 
exhibition “When Queen Victoria visited the Exhibition Miss Elizabeth Clayson 
(afterwards Mrs. George Smith of Olney) had the honour of making lace in her 
presence. The pillow was covered for the occasion with blue velvet edged with 
rose colour, and provided with rose colour bobbin bags.” It seems logical that 
special bobbins would be held in those special bags.

Friend Liz Knight of the museum at Olney wasn’t able to help.

I know there are itemised catalogues of the exhibition out there somewhere and 
would love to know if there’s any confirmation of Miss Clayson and the bobbins 
she used before the Queen. 

I guess what I’m looking for is someone who has a copy of the said catalogue or 
access to one. Any help would be appreciated.

Diana

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Re: [lace] The Bobbins of Thomas Wright , The Romance of the Lace Pillow 1919

[Diana Smith]

As always you know my collection is available! 

Diana

> On 19 Jul 2019, at 07:15,   wrote:
> 
> It is 100 years since his book was first published; a book I devoured many
> years ago when I got hit by the "Bobbin Bug".  This week, I re-read my first
> chunk of it waiting for my turn to sit in the Dentist's Chair and it gave me
> such a lift as the more I read the calmer I got!  I had decided that I would
> write an article about "His" bobbins.  However, if I am to do that I need
> your help (as usual) as one thing I realized was that I have never seen some
> of the bobbins he talks about.  I suspect that I will be writing a few
> begging letters to you all to see if you have seen them and/or you own one,
> request a picture of it! (no nothing has changed!! Smile)  Here are my first
> set of requests:
> 
> 
> 
> 1:
> 
> He says that he is aware of bobbins (remember before 1919) that were made of
> Brass, Silver, Gold, Pewter, glass and ivory; of course as well as bone and
> wood.
> 
> I have seen brass, and pewter bobbins, never gold, silver, or ivory and I
> may have seen antique glass bobbins but frankly I have no idea how to date
> them? Of course I am not expecting that you have any or all of these
> yourself (maybe) but have you seen them in museums or other collections
> please? I repeat ,remember they must be antiques before 1919.
> 
> 2:
> 
> Yak bobbins.  He describes the original Yaks as being 7 inches long and 4
> inches in circumference.  I have seen some of the smaller ones he describes
> that developed from the large ones. but never this "big" bobbin.  Have you?
> Perhaps you may even have one?
> 
> 
> 
> OK I will stop there for today.
> 
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> 
> I think my next request will, if we find one, tell us which village it came
> from.  That is just a teaser.
> 
> 
> 
> (Yes, I am still chasing pictures of Honiton and Downton decorated bobbins.)
> 
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> Take Care
> 
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> 
> Brian
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Re: [lace] Lace Sewer

[Diana Smith]

I’ve also seen these workers listed as ‘Perl worker’. Perl being another name 
for a picot.
Diana

> On 14 Jul 2019, at 16:38, Alice Howell  wrote:
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> The early lace machines tried to replicate known lace styles.  Some styles 
> they could do partially but they had to have some work done by hand.  For 
> example, gimp  and picots.  
> 
> If a lace style had a gimp outline on the motifs, this would be sewn in by 
> hand with a needle.  If the lace style was edged with picots, a narrow strip 
> of picot lace was attached by hand with a needle.  The people who did this 
> sewing were known as lace sewers or lace workers. They didn't make the lace 
> itself (lace maker) but did work on the lace in one way or another.
> 
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[lace] Bobbin makers?

[Diana Smith]

Hi Brian

No doubt you will receive replies from people more qualified than me to answer 
your questions on Honiton bobbins/lace - but here goes.

The recorders of census returns tended to use their own terms for occupations. 
So the term ‘lace worker’ could have cover almost any work connected to the 
production of lace depending on who was filling in the return. 
The term ‘Lace sewer’  probably applied to the workers who joined the sprigs of 
lace together to form larger items i.e. shawls, collars, veils, length edgings 
etc. 
This could have been by either mounting/sewing the sprigs onto pre made machine 
made net or joining them together with handmade lace ground or ‘brides’ which 
were plaited similar to Bedfordshire lace.

The number of bobbins needed to make the smaller fine Honiton sprigs was far 
fewer than was needed to produce the borders/lengths etc of the heavier 
Northants/Beds/Bucks laces of the East Midlands. Hence there were probably few 
actual bobbin makers in the smaller Devon geographical Lacemaking area and as 
you know only too well even less were decorated. Also as Brenda has pointed out 
also many bobbins were passed down through families.
I doubt there was enough work to employ many full time at just producing 
bobbins. Also the decorations on Honiton sticks could have been added at 
anytime during the bobbins lifetime unlike the more elaborate decoration of EM 
bobbins which on the whole could only be done during or prior to production. 
Any questions?
Diana

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[lace] Bobbin makers response - Brian Lemin

[Diana Smith]

Can I say what a pleasure it was to read the response from Brian, our bobbin 
maker/expert in residence. It’s good to know he’s keeping in touch during his 
recovery.

Another beautiful wood Yew seems to be a more modern choice, I cannot recall 
finding any, or very few, old bobbins made from it. Maybe our predecessors were 
more superstitious as the tree is usually associated with graveyards.  

When a lilac tree was uprooted in my garden David Davies kindly produced some 
lovely bobbins for me - now that is a beautiful wood and I believe a joy to 
turn, it has an almost pink/purple hue as perhaps you would expect from the 
colour of the trees flowers. Maybe not every cottager had a lilac tree in the 
garden with fruit trees taking preference.

Diana in Northamptonshire where snowdrops, aconites, crocus, hellebores and 
daffodils are all in bloom.

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Re: [lace] Working with black thread [was "Thread"]

[Diana Smith]

Like Alex I’ve always understood that on the whole black lace produced in the 
English east Midlands was worked with white thread which was later dyed. 
On the other hand I have old Beds lace prickings on grey card which I believe 
were used for work with black thread.
Diana in Northamptonshire 

> On 4 Sep 2018, at 16:37, N.A. Neff  wrote:
> 
> I have found black thread hard to work with if the pricking is made of a
> card too light in color. If the contrast is too great, then the eye has
> trouble seeing the details of the black threads. (Same with photographing
> or photocopying black lace.) So it might seem contrary, but using a medium
> to darker color for your pricking or background makes the contrast within
> the black thread paths clearer.
> 
> I have come to greatly prefer a medium-dark red card for my prickings, for
> white, ecru, and black threads all. It is much easier on my eyes than the
> brighter or lighter blue cards.
> 
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> Connecticut, USA
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Re: [lace] RE: Shopping for lace in Belgium........ www.worldlacecongressbrugge2018.be

[Diana Smith]

Thank you so much for that list of traders/vendors at the congress, it took me 
for a walk down memory lane! Oh happy days in Brugge.

Diana in Northamptonshire

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Re: [lace] YouTube of early bobbin and/or needlelace

[Diana Smith]

The types of lace made were not ruled by county boarders. What we know as the 
Bedfordshire type was made in all the counties of the East Midlands - as was 
Bucks Point. There was a Northampton Point, the term was not so common but was 
usually known for baby laces. 

The ‘Thumpers’ were mostly used in the South Bucks area, though many were later 
adapted to carry a spangle. The way the lady is working is typical of that 
area, they rarely used a pillow horse or stand, the bolster type pillow rested 
usually toward the left side of the lap with the left hand working the bobbins 
and the right hand lifting and placing the pins in the pattern. 
I’ve seen this method being used by Continental lace makers as the bobbins can 
be rolled rather than thrown/tossed as is necessary with spangled bobbins.
Diana in Northamptonshire


> On 17 Jul 2018, at 19:57, Jill Hawkins  wrote:
> 
> I was also surprised to see that the lacemaker was using what I know as
> "Bucks thumpers" to make Bedfordshire lace. Thumpers refers to the style
> of bobbin she is using. I was not aware that they used thumpers for Beds.
> 
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[lace] Lace Guild Artefact of the month

[Diana Smith]

Has anyone else received the new look Artefact of the Month page from the 
English Lace Guild? 
It has been given a whole new look and it certainly is an improvement. The 
Artefact is a sample piece of American eagle old Bucks type lace. I’ve seen 
this pattern adapted to a bookmark/fingerplate - one of those pieces I’ve been  
to try!
Diana in a very hot Northamptonshire where we really need some rain. 

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Re: [lace] Rathfarnham Casle pins

[Diana Smith]

Please share any information Alex - sounds interesting.
Regards
Diana

> On 6 Jun 2018, at 08:21, Alex Stillwell  wrote:
> 
> Hi Arachnids
> 
> I am fascinated by the bobbins and fine pins found in Rathfarnham Castle in
> Dublin that date from the 17th century and would like more information about
> them. Please can anyone put me in touch with Ann Keller who wrote the
> article?
> 
> Blow the dust
> 
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Re: [lace] Modern v. traditional

[Diana Smith]

When I first saw traditional Bucks point pillow lace being made, nearly forty 
years ago, that was it that was what I wanted to do and I haven’t changed 
since. 
During those years I have dabbled in almost all bobbin laces also with needle, 
shuttle and hook - and colour, which I love, and even a little designing but 
the old laces of the East Midlands i.e, Bedfordshire, Bucks and 
Northamptonshire will always be my first love. Maybe my interest in the history 
of the craft has a lot to do with it and the fact that a grandmother way back 
was a lacemaker. 
I left school with no qualification what so ever, that came much later but 
that’s another story!
I’ve studied under Marjory Carter, also Pam Nottingham, Bridget Cooke, Vi 
Bullard and Barbara Underwood - to name a few. Marjory believed in making 
complete item such as motifs, mats and items for the dressing table. When I 
began a sample piece from an old pricking in one of her classes she said ‘waste 
of time’ and walked away. But even so she was generous with her time and 
knowledge.
Each to their own is my philosophy. 
Diana in Northamptonshire 


> On 20 May 2018, at 09:55, Sue Duckles  wrote:
> 
> Hi All, I usually lurk but... I'm sticking my head up here. 
> 
> There are those of us who are not interested in mathematics in it's pure 
> form, not interested in designing patterns when there are many patterns out 
> there already. We are the people who know what we like, we know if we can 
> work a design in colour, plain, fancy... rather like going into a shop and 
> deciding to buy the skirt in red floral rather than green plain. We like the 
> design and the colour was our choice. 
> 
> This shows that we are all interested in different forms of lace, 3 of us 
> meet up once a week, I love torchon and Bedfordshire, Milanese and honiton, 
> but I usually sit tatting, another of the group works on honiton only, whilst 
> the 'lady of the house' (it's her table we meet round), works on whatever 
> pattern she's come across that appeals to her. None of us design. If everyone 
> designed then there would be nobody to work our designs... they'd be too busy 
> working their own!
> 
> So, everyone has a personal preference, some people like modern settings, 
> some like traditional settings, some like early laces, some design their own. 
> We can't all be the same! The choices we all make for ourselves are based on 
> the finished article... unless you 'shove it in a cupboard to be ignored'! 
> What would be the point in that?? That'd be like shoving your husband in the 
> wardrobe... only allowing him out on odd occasions... lol!! 
> 
> 'Nuff said, we all know our choices!!
> 
> Sue in the UK

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Re: [lace] The English Lace School- Susan Cox

[Diana Smith]

Springett’s was the British College of Lace in Rugby, Warwickshire.

Diana in Northamptonshire 

> On 15 May 2018, at 15:11, Devon Thein  wrote:
> 
> I keep running across The English Lace School and Susan Cox. For some
> reason I thought that the Sprigett's business had that name.
> Can anyone explain the English Lace School and its role in the lace revival?
> Devon
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Re: [lace] RE: Colour in lace-Northamptonshire lace

[Diana Smith]

Dear Cathie 

It was brilliant wasn’t it! The visitors book was like a Who’s Who of the Lace 
world of the time.
I remember when Pat Rowley invited me, with my Northamptonshire lace research, 
to be a part of it my reaction was - Yes Please! The end results finally 
confirmed what I had always maintain that the lace industry in this county was 
equally as important as in Beds and Bucks. 
With the Westhope Group display being the icing on the cake, I think almost 
every aspect of Lacemaking was represented. I will certainly never forget your 
beautiful (the word doesn’t adequately describe it!) Snow Queen. 
It is so sad that after all the work that was put into the exhibition there is 
nothing now to be seen - everything is in storage who knows where!
With best wishes
Diana
PS. Your description of life in the late thirties/forties was great and most 
certainly brought back lovely memories for me - even dashing upstairs at 
bedtime with a stone hot water bottle to warm a rather chilly bed!

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Re: [lace] Colour in lace

[Diana Smith]

Is coloured lace as non-traditional as most people seem to think it is, though?

--

There were most certainly examples of coloured lace produced in the East 
Midlands as Alan S. Cole found and mentions in his Report on Northampton, Bucks 
& Beds Lace-making in 1891.
When we were researching for the exhibition Art, Trade or Mystery - Lace and 
Lacemaking in Northamptonshire,  held in 1999 we found sheets of samples of 
coloured laces in the collection of Northampton Museums.

Diana in Northamptonshire.

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[lace] Blue lace flower

[Diana Smith]

For the gardeners amongst us the magazine Gardens Illustrated now on sale in 
the Uk comes with a free pack of seeds of Trachymene Coerulea ‘Blue lace 
flower’. 

Diana in a very wet miserable Northamptonshire

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Re: [lace] Valencienne bobbin

[Diana Smith]

Hi Alex

If you could send a picture to me privately I will see what, if anything, I can 
tell you about your bobbin.
Regards
Diana Smith


> On 13 Mar 2018, at 11:07, Alex Stillwell <alexstillw...@talktalk.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Arachnids
> 
> A question for the bobbin experts
> 
> I have a curious bobbin.  It is 9cm long with ahead 7mm across that is
> slightly domed at the top and flat beneath. The neck is g 2.9 cm long, just
> over 3mm wide and there is a thin flat collar the same width as the head.  The
> shank is 5.3cm long, starts at the same width as the neck and widens to nearly
> 9mm towards the tail where is narrows slightly. Unusually there is a hole
> 2.7cm deep and 4mm wide drilled upwards from the tail end of the bobbin. I
> suspect this was to reduce the weight of the bobbin.
> 
> I have always understood to be for Valenciennes lace, please may I have some
> more information about it.
> 
> 

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Re: [lace] sharing.

[Diana Smith]

Dear Catherine

Lovely to hear from you - thank you so much for that.

I think when I/we found Lacemaking it was still a very traditional craft using 
traditional skills and techniques. Instructions in those skills were almost non 
existent. 
Patterns/ prickings were as rare as the proverbial hens teeth! Maybe this was 
where the problem of sharing, or not, came from. 
Things have moved on enormously since then and the endless availability of 
modern and traditional patterns, one would think/hope those days are over!

Diana from a white world and still it snows.

> On 10 Dec 2017, at 08:52, Catherine Barley  
> wrote:
> 
> Far better to share and witness the pleasure it gives to the recipient than 
> to keep back/withhold something for ourselves.  None of us would be enjoying 
> our craft today, had our mentors not passed on their skills and knowledge.  I 
> know Diana that you too have been more then generous over the years and very 
> much appreciated by all recipients.  We owe it to our own mentors to pass on 
> what we have learned from them plus the little tips that we have worked out 
> through trial and error for ourselves.  'Poor is the student who cannot 
> surpass his master'!
> 
> Catherine Barley in Henley-on-Thames, UK where it's snowing hard and settling 
> this morning!

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Re: [lace] sharing.

[Diana Smith]

I’m afraid there are people in all area of collecting and crafting who are 
unwilling to ‘share’ - what’s mines mine and stays mine!

Both my husband and I are ardent collectors and researchers, he of local 
topography and me, of course, the history of the East Midlands lace industry, 
workers and tools. We have always shared our collections when requested but 
that willingness has not always been returned. My husband requested a copy of a 
rare local photograph the response was a refusal with the words “well if I give 
you a copy then there would be two..”!
Which meant that if that picture disappeared the image was lost - and as he did 
not make provision for his archive after his death the image has been lost to 
future generations researching the area.

Diana in Northamptonshire - where it is bitterly cold and we’re expecting snow.

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Re: [lace] Bucks Prickings

[Diana Smith]

Hi Alex

Like you I’ve studied many old prickings over the years but very few without 
the ground pricked. 

I have a theory, no doubt you have also thought of it!  That in order to save 
time when working large areas of point ground some workers would work a row of 
stitches without pinning up, at the end of the row the pins were inserted into 
the pricked holes all in one go. One worker bobbin would follow a row and would 
therefore be used to tension the work. I’ve tried this and it works well.

Diana

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Re: [lace] Work the old lady out of the ditch-lace tell

[Diana Smith]

How they kept count? - I think this might be where the ‘Striver’ or ‘King pin’ 
was used. Placing a decorated pin on the footside where they began a repeat, on 
completing that pattern or number of rows/pins they would put in another 
‘striver’ thereby ‘striving’ to complete the pattern and so on. 
They would be able to see at a glance how much work they had accomplished.
I hope that is understandable! I’m presuming that you know about the decorated 
pins used by the East Midlands Lace makers?

Diana in Northamptonshire 

> On 21 Nov 2017, at 20:10, DevonThein  wrote:
> 
> What does it mean to work the old lady out of the ditch? I seem to recall that
> it had something to do with working the worker through the edge. But is that
> all? In Running River that would mean a catch pin, two linen, the edge stitch
> and bac through the two linen.
> Or does it mean work the entire little area of tulle ground until you can’t
> go any farther.
> 
> They seemed to count things in units of 20 pins. Does anyone know how they
> kept the pins for reference? Did they count them onto a pin cushion? If they
> removed them in groups of twenty, that would seem to slow you down a bit since
> you have to count them as you remove them.  In the tulle area you go through
> twenty pretty fast.
> 
> Also, with the counting tells, it would seem that a systemic rhythm would be
> difficult since the pattern determines how often you place a pin. In the tulle
> area you would place them much faster than in the cloth stitch river area.
> 
> Also, do you think these children did it really fast, or really slow? I can
> see adults could do it fast. (My wrists are hurting from the practice session
> I just had.) But not so sure about children, especially ones who are
> memorizing and reciting rhymes. I am going to have someone read them to me
> while I work. No way can I recite a long rhyme and also do the pattern.
> 
> Devon
> 
> 
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Re: [lace] Lace tells & History

[Diana Smith]

A little more history behind the boy throwing his pillow down the well at 
Elstow. This was supposedly Ernie Cooper. 
The Coopers were quite a large family many of them lace makers. I have a copy 
of a photograph of a dozen members of Cooper family lined up sitting at their 
lace pillows. Centre front is a boy at his lace pillow, not Ernie but Vic 
Cooper who judging by the smile on his face seems to be enjoying his lace work. 

Diana in Northamptonshire

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Date : 05/11/2017 - 01:12 (GMTST)
To : lace@arachne.com
Subject : [lace] Lace tells  History


There is a delightful story of a Lace School in Elstow (I think) where a boy
got so mad at his lace, that he grabbed his pillow ran outside, and dropped
the pillow etc down the well!!

Regards from Liz. In still wintery Melbourne, Oz.

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Re: [lace] Fwd: Life in Olney a Hundred Years Ago - Lace Tells Reference (Long Post)

[Diana Smith]

Dear Jeri and all

For a moment I thought you were referring to a book I have in my collection 
then realised my error. My A5 size green cloth bound book is entitled ‘Olney 
and the Lace-Makers’ published in 1864 by William Macintosh, London. It doesn’t 
mention an author but a receipt attached to the book names a Mrs Vernon.

I quote from the book: 
Upon inquiry, a friend residing at Olney has supplied me with the following 
particulars respecting the songs of “the lacemakers.”
“The children learn to make lace, not so much at home with their mothers, as at 
lace schools kept by dames. When the lace trade was better, most boys used to 
learn as well as the girls; and even men used to make lace, as they could earn 
more at ‘the pillow’ than at agricultural labour. I have seen old men who made 
good wages at the beginning of this century.”
“The ‘Songs of the Lace-Makers’ were of the same class as the Nursery rhymes, 
and were sung by the children while at work. The proficiency of the children 
was estimated by the number of pins they could stick in an hour. They were set 
so many score of pins, and counted as they went on. The singing, or rather 
chanting, assisted them in the counting, and also kept them together in their 
work. I am told that we cannot imagine either the effect of thirty or forty 
children’s voices uniting in this ‘sing-song’, nor yet the aid it was to them.
“These ‘Lace Tellings,’ as they were called, were repeated over and over, the 
number at the beginning lessening as the task appointed neared its conclusion, 
as - 
‘Nineteen miles have I got to go.’
‘Eighteen miles have I got to go.’
‘Seventeen miles have I got to go’.
“It is only the very old people who remember anything about these ‘Lace 
Tellings’, as they have not been used in the schools about Olney for many 
years. Latterly they have sung hymns, or some of the current songs of the day.
“From the specimens we have been able to collect from the memories of the old 
Lace-Maker in the *portrait, and one of her friends, few will be disposed to 
regret that the old ‘Tellings’ have become obsolete. These that follow are 
evidently the ‘Songs of the Lace-Makers’ mentioned in the Northamptonshire 
Glossary, as assisting ‘the young workers;’ and are thrown aside with other 
childish things on leaving the Lace school”.
*in the book is a lovely illustration of an elderly lacemakers and young girl 
working at their pillows.

I have left out the Tellings in the interest of space. If anyone would like 
them please contact me privately.

Diana in Northamptonshire.

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Re: [lace] Fw: Sad News

[Diana Smith]

This is sad news indeed - an icon of the lace world. I was lucky enough to meet 
Santina some years ago. 

In her earlier years she was keeper of the lace collection at the Abington 
Museum in Northampton. I did voluntary work there on the lace collection during 
the 1980/90s and used the extensive card references and research that she had 
compiled during her time there. 

Deepest sympathy to her family and friends,
Diana Smith, Northamptonshire 

> On 4 Sep 2017, at 14:20, Sue Babbs <suebabbs...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have just received this message.  Many of you will own a copy of Santana
> Levey’s “ Lace: A History”
> From: The School of Historical Dress
> Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 3:28 AM
> To: jtiram...@theschoolofhistoricaldress.org.uk
> Subject: Sad News
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> 
> We have some very sad news to tell you today. Santina Levey passed away
> peacefully last Saturday. Santina was a founder member of The School of
> Historical Dress, and without her the school would not have happened. We will
> all miss her enormously.
> 
> 
> There will be a memorial gathering and committal organised by her family, in
> Leicester on the 15th September. If you would like more details please write
> and let us know.
> 
> We will also be arranging a memorial event and celebration of Tina's work and
> life, in London in the New Year.
> 
> All best,
> 
> Jenny Tiramani
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Re: [lace] Pictures added to Flickr.

[Diana Smith]

Dear Clay

I remember the discussions on the subject of adding pictures - though was not 
aware of the outcome. 
As a newcomer to the use of Flickr I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say 
thank you for your generosity.

Diana

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[lace] Pictures added to Flickr.

[Diana Smith]

I've added two pictures to my Flickr page. One is a small sample lace piece, 
from the same collection as the Old Ripon, a pretty edging with an unusual 
ground.

The second pictures is of the Hollie Point sampler which was a very lucky find 
on eBay. It was amongst a collection of odds and ends of lace, I could see it 
but didn't realise what a find it was. In the top right hand corner there are 
initials, one possibly an 'M', below that the date 1773 can easily be seen. 
There are various crowns and other designs. It is mounted on a piece of very 
faded pink silk material.

I hope you find them interesting and worth discussing. 

Diana in Northamptonshire 

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Re: [lace] Old French Chenille Blonde lace sample

[Diana Smith]

When I  think of chenille it immediately reminds me of the chenille table cloth 
used by me grandmother! 

Diana

> On 11 Aug 2017, at 18:42, Adele Shaak  wrote:
> 
> This is an interesting lace - thank you for putting up the photo. I agree 
> with you that it is a nice little design. It doesn’t look like what I would 
> expect from the description in Caulfield’s Dictionary of Needlework - the 
> pattern isn’t poor, it’s not geometrical, and not filled with thick stitches. 
> It does look like the lacemaker has just substituted a chenille thread for 
> the usual smooth gimp - if a smooth gimp were used then it would look to me 
> very like the samples in the Ipswich lace book.
> 
> Adele
> West Vancouver, BC
> (west coast of Canada)

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[lace] Old French Chenille Blonde lace sample

[Diana Smith]

If anyone is interested I have added a second picture to my flickr page of 
another sample from the same collection. 
On the reverse the lace is identified as 'Old French Chenille Blonde'. 
According to Caulfield's Dictionary of Needlework Chenille Lace is "A peculiar 
kind of Lace made during the eighteenth century in France. The ground of this 
lace was silk honeycomb Reseau; the patterns were poor, and chiefly 
geometrical, filled with thick stitches, and outlined with fine white 
Chenille." Actually I think it is quite a nice little design. I seem to recall 
it is mentioned in the book by Mrs Palliser but my copy escapes me at the 
moment.
Diana Smith
Northamptonshire

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Re: [lace] Ripon lace

[Diana Smith]

Thank you Susan for putting up the page for me. Perhaps I should explain how it 
came about.

More years ago than I care to count, on a visit to the lace shop in Honiton I 
purchased a collection of assorted old lace samples. 
All were small pieces of only one or two pattern repeats, and most were mounted 
on various coloured pieces of paper, and had identification written on the 
reverse. Included among the samples were these two marked as being 'Old Ripon'. 

All I need now is for some kind soul to explain how I can add pictures to my 
new page, after nearly forty years of collecting lace making 'stuff' I'm sure 
I've more to offer.

Diana

> On 8 Aug 2017, at 17:03, Susan <hottl...@neo.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Please thank Diana Smith!  She kindly sent a photo of her samples of "Old 
> Ripon" lace.  I've managed to make an Arachne Flickr album for her so that 
> everyone can enjoy Ripon lace.  What a good idea to add a ruler so we can 
> comprehend the scale!  The lozenges are familiar to me but the sample on the 
> left is different.  Take out the center diamond motif, & it reminds me a bit 
> of one of Jane Atkinson's free online patterns.   There may be some duplicate 
> photos & Diana's album was not alphabetized when I checked so if anyone 
> wishes to correct my Flickr input, please do!  Apologies to all for 
> unintentionally seceding Ripon from England to Scotland.  This has been the 
> summer for learning world history & geography while making lace!  Sincerely, 
> Susan Hottle USA
> 
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[lace] Lace in India/Catherine C. Channer

[Diana Smith]

Possibly the most well known teacher of lace in India was Miss Catherine C. 
Channer, at Scots Mission at Kalimpong, she was in charge of the lace school 
there for four years.
She began giving lace classes in the early 1900's, unfortunately having to 
return to England in 1909 for health reasons.

Staying with her brother, a forestry officer, she wrote to the editor of the 
Northampton Daily Chronicle 
"Though away from the lacemaking counties, I still make lace, and find it is a 
splendid occupation for jungle life. When we move to another bungalow or pitch 
our tents in a fresh spot my pillow is rolled in a hold-all and strapped to the 
back of a camel or dumped into a bullock cart. The luggage goes in the night, 
and when we arrive next day there is pillow and lace-horse set ready for me by 
attentive turbaned servants."

Diana in Northamptonshire 

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Re: [lace] Victoria's gown Poor Lace

[Diana Smith]

The poorer classes would probably be wearing last seasons, unfashionable, cast 
offs. Those in rural areas would always be slightly behind in style.

Even in those days fashions could change over night and of course one would not 
want to be seen in last seasons out dated styles.

Diana

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Re: [lace] 18th C. Lace-trimmed Sack Back Gown, per BBC

[Diana Smith]

The lady owner was really not interested in the gown which was probably its 
saviour. Though not stored in perfect conditions it had survived very well.

The textile was superb - a real treat as I love that period. I was longing to 
get a closer look at the lace but what could be see was not very exciting, not 
what one would expect on such an exquisite garment, and appeared to be in poor 
condition. 

Diana Smith in the U.K.

> On 11 Jan 2017, at 14:06, jeria...@aol.com wrote:
> 
> BBC Antiques Road Show Find 
> 
> May we have some feedback, please?  Otherwise, why  should anyone continue 
> posting lace news here?
> 
> Anyone interested in how lace was used to add extra refinement to  an 18th 
> century sack back gown will appreciate this.  Painted silk  is encountered 
> in conservation studies.  The reporter  is quite right - the silk and 
> chemicals in paint do not usually marry  well.  (Something modern artists 
> need to 
> know.)
> 
> So, this is about lace, and it is about  conservation.  Both of which need 
> understanding because of the way lace was  used an embellishment.
> 
> My shy lace friend sent this link to me  for you all!
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/BBCAntiquesRoadshow/videos/1388719294502644/
> 
> Unless I missed it, she does not even  mention the lace!
> To learn more about this style of dress, there are pictures (with proper  
> underpinnings) and a list of books provided at:  
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack-back_gown
> 
> Jeri Ames in Maine USA
> Lace and Embroidery Resource  Center
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[lace] Royal bobbins

[Diana Smith]

In the collection I have two 'King' bobbins David, and Solomon which is also
biblical. By mistake I included Samuel - I believe he was a prophet rather
than King.

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Re: [lace] Kings and Queens of England

[Diana Smith]

I think any old bobbin with an inscription which includes 'King' should be
viewed with the fact in mind that this is a very common surname in the East
Midlands area.

On the other hand names such as David and Samuel obviously could have biblical
connections.

I'd be interested in what you have pre 1700 Brian!

'Very little is needed to make a happy life.'

> On 26 Oct 2016, at 07:42, Brian Lemin  wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Following some correspondence with a member I am encouraged to write
> something about "ROYAL" bobbins.
>
>
>
> I have a reasonable collection or access to royal bobbins before say 1700.
> Do any of you have a collection of royal bobbins say from 1800 onwards?
>
>
>
> If you have nice collection of same, why not write the article yourself
> rather than a scavenger like me?
>
>
>
> I think it could be interesting as it would include modern bobbins as well
> as antique bobbins which I specialize in.
>
>
>
> Just beware of "King Richard", I am totally convinced that this bobbin
> should be read "Richard King".
>
>
>
> Get out your collection and wow us with what you have.
>
>
>
> Give it a go.
>
>
>
> Smiles
>
>
>
> Brian
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Re: [lace] Re bead illustrations

[Diana Smith]

I wonder if the porthole beads your referring to are rosary beads. Some can be 
made from bone, others from wood, and have probably been reused from broken 
rosary's. 

Perhaps Brian has pictures in his research, if not I can send some to him.

Diana 


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'Very little is needed to make a happy life.'

> On 1 Jul 2016, at 14:37, Vickie  wrote:
> 
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 18:37:44 +0100
> From: Louise 
> Subject: Re: [lace] Re bead illustrations.
> 
> ... but there were a couple of oddities one a coarse ceramic and
> another organic with odd porthole decoration. I don't know if it is carved
> wood or seed of some sort.
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
>  I have several of the same "porthole" type bead spangles in my antique
> bobbin collection and would love to hear about what they are/history.  Looking
> forward to learning from the wealth of information found here as always.
> 
>  Thanks you to Louise for taking the time to post pictures of her spangles
> for us to see.
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Re: [lace] I am up to "L"!

[Diana Smith]

Sorry I didn't trim my reply :-(

Sent from Diana's iPad

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Re: [lace] I am up to "L"!

[Diana Smith]

Brian

I have two - how would you suggest I photograph them or one? One of them is 
very nice, being marked out with brass tacks into 'ells' which was an early 
form of measurement for cloth.

Diana

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'Very little is needed to make a happy life.'

> On 19 Jun 2016, at 02:20, Brian Lemin  wrote:
> 
> Yes of course it is the first serious draft/edit.
> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone have an antique lace stick.  Used for measuring the lace that
> buyer would pay for?
> 
> 
> 
> I have picture of one.. but when I  print it just looks like a pencil line.
> I clearly need a better picture.
> 
> 
> 
> Sometimes call a "yard stick"
> 
> 
> 
> Can anyone help please?
> 
> 
> 
> Brian
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[lace] Miss Channer's mat

[Diana Smith]

If anyone is interested there is a used copy of the mat pattern on eBay at the 
moment. Listed under 'Bobbin lace making patterns' starting price £3.00.
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Re: [lace] Remembering Lace Fairy - Lori Howe

[Diana Smith]

I too felt great sadness on reading the news of the passing of Lori. We 
exchanged many emails and pictures when she was setting up the virtual lace 
bobbin museum on Lace Fairy.

It would be good to think the information is still there available for present 
and future lace lovers - a lasting legacy from Lori.

Diana Smith in Northamptonshire.
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Re: [lace] Bone bobbins

[Diana Smith]

I've just sold some of my collection of foreign bobbins, including a bone
Maltese and a bone one from Bayeux. Both were old/antique and slightly smaller
and slimmer than the wooden types.

Diana in a damp, dull Northamptonshire. In spite of that my hardy cyclamen are
putting on a glorious display in the garden.

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> On 22 Sep 2015, at 10:24, Helen Clarke  wrote:
>
> I cannot make lace at the moment and don't know whether I ever will again.
Therefore I've been thinking that I should put some of my best bobbins on
display to admire. This brought me to wonder about bobbins during the days of
professional lacemakers. I know that there were bone bobbins in England but
what about on the continent? If they existed, what type(s) were they? If they
didn't, why not?
>
> Thanks in advance, Helen in dark British Columbia, Canada
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Re: [lace] Re: [) E'Bay seller

[Diana Smith]

Hello Nancy

I don't think the two emails which appeared on Arachne Lace were from the eBay
seller but I may be wrong. They were from South Africa the seller is in
Norfolk GB.

Best wishes from a bright sunny England which is great as England ladies play
Australia ladies at cricket - go girls! Sorry Aussie friends :)
Diana

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 On 23 Jul 2015, at 01:21, Nancy Neff nnef...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I agree with you, Diana, that lots of people don't know about copyright
law,
 and to that extent then one would hope that explaining it to him
 politely would be useful.  What I object to is the tone of his two posts on
 Arachne, including name-calling and slurs against what country I live in. I
 am very surprised that he has 100% positive feedback on ebay given
 his readiness to resort rather rapidly to a hostile tone in his posts to
 Arachne.
 Arachne is an extremely civil and thoughtful community, and I suspect that
 we'd all like to see it stay that way.
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Re: [SPAM] Re: [lace] (Lace) E'Bay seller

[Diana Smith]

We have all this knowledge because let's face it we go through it all
regularly! This person, who has excellent one hundred per cent feedback on
eBay, was not to know. So give the chap a break please ladies.

Diana

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[lace] eBay seller

[Diana Smith]

Sorry about the 'spam' in the title line of my message (don't know where that
came from) it will probably finish up in most people's trash ;-)
Diana

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[lace] Wish list of teachers

[Diana Smith]

If I could choose someone from the past it would be Miss Catherine C. Channer.  
Diana in Northamptonshire 

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Re: [lace] Wish list of teachers

[Diana Smith]

That is amazing - to think there is still a living link with Miss Channer
teaching. It would be interesting to know if she has any recollections of
her.

Regarding the mat, there is no evidence that Miss Channer worked the mat. The
one pictured in the book was made by a lady from Bedford.

Regards
Diana

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[lace] Wish list of teachers

[Diana Smith]

If I could choose someone from the past it would be Miss Catherine C.
Channer.
Diana in Northamptonshire

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Re: [lace] 1931 lace making clip

[Diana Smith]

The lighter coloured pillow was on the table with the lady winding bobbins so
presumably the other worker was her.

The pattern/s though called Bedfordshire lace were made in all the East
Midlands counties. The pillow/s and bobbins are typically the types used is
South Buckinghamshire. Also in that area it was normal for worker not to use a
pillow stand/horse and work like continental lacemakers - with one hand moving
the bobbins the other pinning up.

Diana in Northamptonshire

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 On 25 May 2015, at 19:33, Kathleen Harris ec...@cix.co.uk wrote:

 Yes, there are two pieces of lace being made, and, presumably, two lace
makers. The patterns are similar, but one has tallies and one doesn't, and it
is the different pillow covers which give the game away, as well as the fact
that one lace maker puts her pins in more tidily than the other!

 Kathleen
 In Berkshire, UK

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 Oops. The piece with the tallies has the 5 nine-pin motifs per  scallop.


 In a message dated 5/25/2015 2:07:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 dmt11h...@aol.com writes:

 Am I the only person who sees two different, although similar, pieces of
 lace being made in this clip. One of them has tallies, and 3 nine-pin
edging
 things on each head side scallop and is made on a pillow with a  strong
 strip pattern. The other has 5 nine-pin edging things on each scallop  and
no
 tallies that I can see, and the pillow is light colored.
 Devon

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Re: [lace] re: Jane Austen and lace

[Diana Smith]

There is one copy on eBay in Australia, and also several on Amazon.
Diana Smith

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 On 23 May 2015, at 15:23, d2one...@comcast.net wrote:

 Perhaps you can locate a small booklet published by the Bath City Council,
titled A Frivolous Distinction: Fashion and Needlework in the works of Jane
Austen by Penelope Byrde.

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[lace] Lace police

[Diana Smith]

I was told some years ago, by someone who was in a position to know about
these things, that the old East Midlands workers judged pairs by the weight.
No they didn't get the scales out ;-) but took a bobbin in each hand hence
they would be able to feel the similarity in weight.

So the bobbins didn't have to be all the same - some heavier bobbins could
have a smaller spangle and visa versa. It seems logical to me anyway.

Diana in a cold windy Northamptonshire

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Re: [lace] Dickey Pots - written sources please? and cherry blossom pattern?

[Diana Smith]

Evening everyone

In the book Lark Rise to Candleford by Flora Thompson, the chapter 'Survivals' 
about Queenie - lace maker and beekeeper. They would gather in one cottage in 
winter for warmth, each one bringing her faggott or shovel of coals for the 
fire. In very cold winter weather the lace makers would have a small earthen 
pot with lid, called a 'pipkin', containing hot embers, at which they warmed 
their hands and feet. The hamlet of Candleford was supposedly set on the 
Oxfordshire - Northamptonshire boarder.

Though I cannot lay my hands on the information at the moment I'm sure the 
Aylesbury Museum has in its collection a dicky pot.

Diana in Northamptonshire - where we have enjoyed a really beautiful spring day 
today.

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Re: [lace] Re Museums and other places in South Devon

[Diana Smith]

I think you mean Alan Cole? He also did reports on the midlands lace
industry.

There was a nice little museum at Budleigh Salterton - Fairlynch. I believe it
is still there but I'm not sure about lace displays. Also Sidmouth.
Diana in Northamptonshire.

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 On 9 Apr 2015, at 14:31, Brian Lemin brid...@bigpond.com wrote:

 It was many years ago now that traced the footsteps of person (cant remember
 his name and my stuff is on another disk) who did a report for the
 government on the lace industry in S Devon.
 I visited at least 6 or 8 towns and Villages and enjoyed a most wonderful
 two or three days.  I talked to the locals and frankly, they were unaware of
 a part of the South Devon Industry once being in their Villages.  I bought
 the local tourist and local history books as were readily available and
 there was nothing them either.
 I think my message is that few places in S Devon have retained and displayed
 any lace history, at least that is readily available. I think Sidmouth has
 something, Beer is well aware of its history as of course is Honiton.  It is
 beautiful countryside and lovely villages, very narrow lanes.

 True story against myself... I was driving along these very narrow lanes,
 purposefully but not too fast (IMHO) and a car came in the other direction.
 We both braked madly and the locals yelled at me, and I replied
 apologetically.  They left yelling “Bloody Australians” and here is me
 thinking I still speak West Country English!

 Regarding Exeter museum.

 My contacts with them via email have been less than encouraging.  They have
 a fine box of bobbins that I was trying to gain access to.  I just got
 negative replies and finally no response to my requests.  This surprises me
 as other branches of the V and A have a policy of meeting email requests and
 providing images within a certain time frame.
 Exeter too wants a lot of money to reproduce any of their images even in
 academic publications or the web and “no financial reward”
publications.

 The Met museum in the USA has a policy of any images they have can be used
 for educational purposes without cost and (a big surprise) it is the author
 that makes the decision as to the purpose of the use of the image.  Of
 course if there is payment for the article then the museum will want its
 fee.  Incidentally they worked very closely and helpfully at the
 misidentified bobbin (knitting sheath) in one of Whiting's books.  They are
 favourite, but... Exeter... not at all happy.





 Brian Lemin
 Cooranbong. Australia
 www.ukulelejass.com

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Re: [lace] Lace on the Great British Sewing Bee

[Diana Smith]

The lady was Liz Knight who for many years was curator of the Cowper and
Newton Museum in Olney and is an expert on local history and lacemaking in the
area.
What Liz actually said was it would take 'two whole days of continual work',
to produce the piece of lace.
Diana in Northamptonshire
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 On 6 Mar 2015, at 13:18, Mousie mousie...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I'd like to know how anyone would make the piece of lace one of the Olney
group held up in about two hours though! It was approx 2 inches wide and
10-12 inches long

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[lace] Lace society

[Diana Smith]

Is it just me or has anyone received this quarters newsletter from the Lace
Society? I received the one from the Lace Guild ages ago and usually the
society follows shortly after.

Diana Smith on another dull dreary day in Northamptonshire

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Re: [lace] Honiton lace

[Diana Smith]

Please send replies to the lace list as I have a similar problem. Thanks for
beginning this thread Ann.
Best wishes
Diana in Northants

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Re: [lace] Retirement

[Diana Smith]

Just read this motto on a tea shirt - 'The trouble with retirement is that you
never get a day off!'

Diana
In a cold, dull, wet Northamptonshire

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 On 8 Nov 2014, at 03:22, Noelene Lafferty noel...@lafferty.com.au wrote:

 Retirement.

 They all promised me
 when retirement was due,
 I'd be doing so much with my lace.
 I'd have oodles of time
 To plan and create,
 And have projects all over the place.

 But then the day came,
 And I planned to sit down
 With all of that thread that I'd bought.
 With pins and my pillows
 And bobbins galore
 And great piles of books just to sort.

 But where does the time go?
 I really can't say
 The days seem to disappear fast.
 As the days now fly by
 I seem to do LESS
 Just where did I find time in the past!

 Noelene
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[lace] The royal lacemaker

[Diana Smith]

I have just received a copy of this book by Linda Finlay. Has anyone read it,
if so, what are their thoughts?
Diana in Northamptonshire UK

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[lace] Tern

[Diana Smith]

That must be an old link, the auction finished in November presumably last 
year. There were two bids but it remained £10 so the same person must have made 
them both to ensure they won. 
If they wanted it so much it must have gone to a good home where it would be 
appreciated :-)
Diana
In a very wet and wind blown Northamptonshire but thinking and praying for 
those in the flooded areas.

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Re: [lace] Tern

[Diana Smith]

I found the listing by copying and pasting the number at the end of the link.
Diana

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 On 12 Feb 2014, at 20:37, Ruth Budge thelacema...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
 The link is still active and the photo is still there - but it is necessary 
 to copy and paste the entire link into your browser. 
 Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of 
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 Subject: [lace] Tern
 
 That must be an old link, the auction finished in November presumably last 
 year. 
 
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Re: [lace] Bucks Point Christmas Tree

[Diana Smith]

Hello Sherry 

It is a very nice piece also an unusual shape but probably not as straight 
forward as it seems. It appears to have been worked sideways starting at the 
bottom left hand corner working straight down to the bottom right hand corner 
so at its widest point will need a considerable number of pairs and gimps.

I know Louise but do not now have contact details.  Her work is absolutely 
stunning as can be seen by her bedfordshire examples on that blog.

Diana in Northamptonshire


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 On 11 Jan 2014, at 03:54, Celtic Dream Weaver celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have written to this blog but have not gotten a response back. But I love
 her Bucks Point Christmas Tree pattern and the other pattern that is on the
 same page designed by Anita Wilkinson. These are beautiful pieces of Bucks
 Point Lace. Just beautiful. Does anyone know this lacer or where these
 patterns can be found?  Great eye candy to be sure.
 http://buckspointlace.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2009-01-01T00:00:00-08:
 00updated-max=2010-01-01T00:00:00-08:00max-results=4
 Wind To Thy Wings,
 Sherry
 New York, US of America
 celticdreamwe...@yahoo.com
 http://celticdreamweaver.com/
 http://celticdreamweave.blogspot.com/
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[lace] Miss Channers mat

[Diana Smith]

Miss Channer was born c1874 at Sherford in Devon, died on the 10th of March
1949 and was buried at Clapham, Bedford where she had lived for some years.
 
I have a very poor quality, much reduced, photocopy of the pattern which has
a couple of hand written notes one of which is 'W. Dean 1978' - West Dean,
Somerset I believe, where lace making was taught for many years. I had added a
note that I acquired it from Alby Lace Museum, Norfolk - which is no more. The
main part of the collection at Alby was previously the property of Pat Payne.
That early copy doesn't have the half stitch and overlaid leaves as per the
later copy. Those areas are ground with tallies and honeycomb. On a slightly
more recent copy (pre the Bean/Bury publication), which I think must have come
from the Vi Bullard archive, those half stitch areas are blanked out. There
are other slight alterations so obviously the mat as we know it has changed
through the years, and there is probably more than one version.
 
Diana - and
yes its still raining!

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[lace] Miss Channer mat

[Diana Smith]

My 1928 first edition of 'Pratical Lacemaking - Bucks Point-Ground' says
exacty the same. There is no other mention that I can find in the text of the
mat.
 
I have in the past recognised some of the component parts as having
come from other, possibly older, designs. I guess that is only to be expected
considering the wealth of old designs she had at her fingertips. It is a shame
that much of her collection was split up between various different museums
as she would have been in a prime position during her lace life to acquire
many of the old parchments.
 
I have just notice that the acknowledgement to
Pat Bury in the pattern pack is for 'The adapted pricking, sample and note'
- so the large mat picture is the original? Sorry am I playing catch up here
;-) 
 
Diana

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[lace] Miss channer

[Diana Smith]

I was in contact with Channer family members some years ago - not now though. 
Vera, a niece of Miss Channer, came to spend a day with me with her son and his 
partner. As you can imagine I was thrilled. We took them to the church as 
Desborough where Miss Channers father had been vicar in the late eighteen 
hundreds. We arranged for Vera's son to go up the tower and wind the church 
clock.

Diana 

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Re: [lace] continueing on with Miss Channer discussion...how about other....

[Diana Smith]

What about the superb newly published book by our very own Alex Stillwell. 

Diana

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 On 5 Jan 2014, at 01:55, Marianne Gallant m...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 On that same note, how about some book reviews on Bucks or other point
 ground books? I am looking for more intermediate to advanced instruction, I
 know the basics, and can follow charts if they have a thread path diagram
 with it, but is there anything out there that will teach you how to read
 just a pricking? I have the Grammar of Point ground, and am reading through
 it, and will in the next week or so probably start on doing some of the
 practise pieces, but am wondering what else is out there.
 
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Re: [lace] Miss Channer's mat

[Diana Smith]

 
A picture of the original mat appeared
in Miss Channers book 'Practical Lacemaking' published in 1928. Worked by a
student at the Bedford Technical Institute. Design by C.C. Channer. 
 
In the
folder published by Ruth it says Original design by Catherine C. Channer,
worked by Mrs Dixon, of Clapham, Bedford, c1926. Now in the collection of the
Cecil Higgins Art Gallery, Bedford.
 
For those dreaming of making the mat
Pat Bury estimated that about 250 pairs of bobbins would be needed, she used
100/3 Brok and No 16 Coton a Broder for the gimps.
 
When I made the mat I
adapted the pricking as I felt the half stitch areas with the overlaid leaves
were not (IMO) true Bucks Point, so I replaced them with honeycomb and cloth
with tallies. Yes, I can feel Miss Channer turning in her grave (which I have
visited in Clapham churchyard).
 
Diana

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Re: [lace] Lace Boobins?

[Diana Smith]

Hi Brian

I have one of these 'things' in my collection which has been adapted into a 
lace bobbin by having a wood head and neck inserted at one end and the last 
pair of holes at the other end hold the wire for the spangle. I've always 
thought mine was the remains from a needle case - now I'm not so sure!

So my friend your  'ba humbug' at New Year as well ;))).   A happy and healthy 
one to you both.

Diana in a very wet and wind blown Northamptonshire.

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 It is stating what everyone will know that they are not lace bobbins.  The
 thing is What are they?
 
 Well I looked up my sewing tools books and found nothing, so i am up for a
 guessing game.
 
 Say, Chopstick rests?  Knife holders?  Pretty things to look at!
 
 There are vague likenesses to the Porthole Man bobbin maker... but very very
 vague!
 
 Frankly “I have not got a clue”
 
 Watch the Sydney fireworks tonight.  They say they have some new colours!  To
 me fireworks are fireworks.  I watch.. I say ahhh, then turn into bed as quick
 as I can!
 
 Happy New Year to you all.
 
 Brian
 
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[lace] Rubbings

[Diana Smith]

I also have a 'stick'? of heelball stashed away somewhere.
In the days when museums were less fussy it was allowed to take rubbings of old 
prickings in their collections. This was when patterns were harder to come by - 
out of the question nowadays!

I have used the Matt film but must confess that I prefer working on a 'proper' 
pre pricked card. 

Diana in Northamptonshire where the weather is bright and sunny but cold and 
frosty.

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Re: [lace] Aurelia Loveman

[Diana Smith]

Like Catherine I crossed paths with Aurelia at the college of lace. We shared a 
table on a course - I believe it was with Pam Nottingham but the memory plays 
tricks. Aurelia enjoyed her weekend so much and was devastated when it came to 
an end. Weren't we all - great times!

The world has lost another passionate lacemaker and lady of great character who 
will be sadly missed by her family and all who knew her.
Diana in Northamptonshire 

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Re: [lace] early lace pillows etc

[Diana Smith]

Hello Jen

Horse hair is a possibility for stuffing a pillow.

Did anyone see the Antiques Road Show on UK TV yesterday - the pair of ladies 
'pockets'  as in the nursery rhyme Lucy Locket lost her pocket! Apparently it 
is very rare to find a pair.

The Queens Gallery has an expo this summer 10th May - 6th October. The Art of 
Tudor and Stuart  fashion. There is a great interactive app to download on  
www.royalcollection.org.uk 

Diana in Northamptonshire

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 Has anyone done much research on what early lace pillows were made out of?  
 I'm primarily looking at the origins of the lace pillow in the sixteenth
 century or earlier.
 
 We have an image of an early pillow on the cover of Nuw
 Modelbuch (http://ilaria.veltri.tripod.com/bobbins/nuwmodelbuch.jpg).This
 pillow almost looks like the shape of a pillow that someone could sleep on.
 What could the pillow have been stuffed with?  Would it have been straw, rags
 or maybe sawdust?Also, what type of fabric would have made sense to make
 the pillow out of?  Maybe a linen or wool?
 
 I would like to make something
 like this for recreation purposes at some point, but so far I haven't found
 resources for the average Tudor era bed pillow.   I've seen fancier pillow
 cases, but have not found much info yet for the pillow itself.   Still need to
 do more digging on this.
 
 
 Thanks!
 
 Jen
 
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[lace] Piecework

[Diana Smith]

Has anyone seen the May/June Piecework magazine? 

A while back Christopher Phillips made a request to the Arachne list for any 
information on lace/lacemaking from the time of William Shakespeare for an 
article he was planning to submit for publication. I was happy to let him have 
pictures of a couple of items from my collection.

The resulting article of his research appears in the current issue of Piecework 
under the title 'Spinsters, Free Maids, Tells, and Shakespeare' - and very 
interesting reading it is too.

Diana in Northamptonshire

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[lace] Lace Society

[Diana Smith]

I received my Lace Society magazine yesterday. Not often that arrives before 
the guild mag!

Diana in lovely sunny Northamptonshire

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Re: [lace] Graph paper/Needle lace

[Diana Smith]

A search on eBay found 37 listings of glossy and matt sticky back plastic in 
various colours. I didn't delve too deeply but there seemed to be various 
prices and quantities.

Diana in Northamptonshire on another spring like day (it can't last!)

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[lace] Men making lace

[Diana Smith]

In my history research on lacemaking in the East Midlands there are numerous 
mentions of men in the area making lace during the 18/19th centuries. The 1777 
militia list includes a number of lace men, dealers and workers below the age 
of 45years.
An article from the Northampton  County Independent newspaper dated 1929 in 
which three sisters interviewed recalled their grandfather, Joseph Henson was a 
highly skilled lacemaker at the beginning of the 19th century. 
My favourite (though I can't lay my hands on the original at the moment) was 
the recollections of a little girl who remembered that after she had gone to 
bed at night her father, who had been working on the land all day, would take 
up her pillow and works some heads of lace for her.

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Re: [lace] Twentieth anniversary flash drive

[Diana Smith]

Hello Carol

That goes for me too - I'm completely in the dark - no pun intended ;o) 
 
I like the idea of a small box which would be good for makers of all sorts of 
lace - though another bobbin wouldn't go astray!!!

Diana from a dry, bright Northamptonshire 

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 Hi Spiders All,
 
 I know my technological knowledge is limited to back when quill pens were the 
 height of technology but ...  what is a flash drive please? I could ask 
 my three year old grand-daughter, as I expect she already knows, but I really 
 don't want her to think I am a bit dim!
 
 Carol - in a gloomy North Norfolk, UK, with an inch or two of snow forecast 
 for the weekend.
 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.'
 
 

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Re: [lace] Twentieth anniversary flash drive

[Diana Smith]

Oh I have some of those but I just call them memory sticks!! I've published 
books and sent them to the printer on a memory stick - sorry flash drive ;-)

Thanks Clay for clearing that up.
Diana

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 Carol and Diana,
 
 A flash drive is a small device -not as big as your thumb- which is plugged 
 into the USB port of a computer so that files (documents or pictures, for 
 example) can be saved there.  Once on the flash drive, they can easily be 
 accessed or copied to as many other computers an you want.  They often have a 
 lanyard or cord attached so that they can be worn around the neck.
 
 My grandson is required to have one in his middle school.  Instead of saving 
 his work on school computers, he saves it on his flash drive and when he gets 
 home, he can continue his work on his own computer.
 
 Clay
 
 In Lynchburg, VA, USA

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[lace] Straw plaiters

[Diana Smith]

This thread reminded me of a lacemaker in my research. I've pasted the
passage below.
 
Born circa 1829 at Northill in Bedfordshire, Mary Tingey
was the daughter of Thomas  Sarah Tingey. Mary spent most of her life in
Bedfordshire being mainly employed as a house servant. In the 1851 census she
was in service at Sandy, Bedfordshire, by 1861 she was a housemaid to a
farmer at Thorncote, Northill. 
In 1871 she is living again with her parents,
together with 'her daughter' Sarah Ann (no mention of a man in her life, and
still using her maiden name). Her occupation is given as (straw)
‘Plaiter’. In 1881 she was still with her parents with the occupation of
‘Lacemaker’. In 1891 she was on her own in Northill (no occupation) and in
1901 still in Northill living on her ‘own means’. 
A family
photograph of Mary working at her lace pillow, dated c1909/10, was taken in
the garden of her daughter, Sarah Ann’s house at Kettering,
Northamptonshire; she may have gone to live with her daughter and would have
been about 80 years old.
 
Diana Smith, Northamptonshire

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Fwd: [lace] Hanging bobbin

[Diana Smith]

I sent this reply which bounced back, maybe the sender will read this! Though
possibly there are others who are interested.
Diana

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 From: Diana Smith diana.trevo...@btinternet.com
 Date: 18 February 2013 08:00:23 GMT
 To: Manie Kriel m...@mweb.co.za
 Subject: Re: [lace] Hanging bobbin

 Good morning Manie

 'Hanging bobbins' are bone spangled lace bobbins from the East Midlands area
of the UK which have an inscription commemorating the hanging of certain
felons. They were either sold, or given away, to lacemakers at the time of the
execution.

 There are possibly seven different hangings commemorated in this way.
Without checking dates I believe they all took place during the 1860's or
thereabouts. Gruesome to us I guess but a hanging was very much a social event
at the time as they usually took place in public. More information can be
found in the book by Christine and David Springett 'Success to the Lace
Pillow'.

 I have four different examples though not a Franz Muller - they are very
rare. He committed probably the first murder on a public train and this caused
considerable interest at the time.

 Hope this will enlighten you a little.
 With best wishes
 Diana


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 Please explain the term hanging of a Bobbin
 Lace love
 Manie Kriel South Africa

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 Diana Smith
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 Subject: [lace] Hanging bobbin

 If anyone in the UK is interested there is a full page article, in the
 weekend supplement of the Daily Mail, on Franz Muller - subject of a
hanging
 bobbin.

 On Thursday this week there is a period drama on BBC2 at 9pm 'Murder on
the
 Victorian Railway'.

 Diana in (an almost spring like) Northamptonshire

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[lace] Hanging bobbin

[Diana Smith]

If anyone in the UK is interested there is a full page article, in the weekend 
supplement of the Daily Mail, on Franz Muller - subject of a hanging bobbin.

On Thursday this week there is a period drama on BBC2 at 9pm 'Murder on the 
Victorian Railway'.

Diana in (an almost spring like) Northamptonshire

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[lace] Bedford panels

[Diana Smith]

I think the link below will take you to the web site showing the panels.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Bedford+lace+panelsie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8hl=en
-gbclient=safari

Diana in a very cold Northants - waiting for the snow to arrive!

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[lace] Doreen Wright

[Diana Smith]

Can anyone confirm that this is the Doreen Wright who was a lacemaker and 
author, and was the chairman at the time when the English Lace Guild was formed?
There was an article in today's Daily Mail newspaper which got me thinking. 
After a search I found the link below.

I met the lady many years ago at a lace day where she was the speaker.

http://www.doreensdiary.org.uk/

Diana Smith in Northamptonshire

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Re: [lace] condition of lacemakers (longish)

[Diana Smith]

I have an original copy of the 'Report on Northampton, Bucks,  Beds,
Lace-Making' by Alan Cole. Dated 1891 it is really concentrating more on the
production i.e. quality of the lace being produced and the general age of the
lace makers at that time. Sadly he didn't name the workers he spoke to,
referring to them by surname initial Mrs A, Miss B and so on. 
 
He appears to
have visited a few villages including - in Northamptonshire - Spratton,
Paulerspury, Wicken. Bucks - Padbury, Lacey Green, Princes Risborough. Beds -
Ridgmont.
 
He quotes the article on the Spratton Lace School which has been
used since by everyone producing a book on the East Midlands lace industry
etc. A few of the workers spoke of other lace schools. 
Mrs E. used to keep a
school. Amongst her pupils were boys who were as successful at the wok as
girls.
Mrs F. had learnt lace-making at a lace school 20 years ago at
Kislingbury (Northants).
Mrs H. had received her instruction years ago at a
lace school in Naseby.   
Mrs L. who had been a lace-making girl for
some time, had been a servant for years. So, too, had Mrs J. who was glad to
be able to make lace. She had sometimes 'done a bit' whilst in service.
Probably his meeting with Mrs T. of Wicken is the most interesting. She spoke
strongly in favour of children being taught. 'I was always fond of my pillow,
and never went but to a lace school, and the larning of my alphabet I got in
church. Children ought to be got at the lace-making, and I blame the mothers
for not larning them now. When they come to be cripples they're glad of
warking on their pillows'.  When it was suggested she might talk to others on
the subject she said. 'I never goes a-neighbouring' - love it!!
 
One other
point he makes is about the 'immorality amongst lace-makers'.  'Lace-making,
however, kept up by proper supervision to a decent standard of performance,
and subject to frequent variety of pattern, exercises the mental faculties'.
I
think that's a very good excuse for us to make lots of lace!!
Diana in
Northants

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Re: [lace] condition of lacemakers (longish)

[Diana Smith]

Hi Brian

Sorry not my area - though I think he did a similar report on the Honiton area.

Diana

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Fw: [lace] machine/handmade lace

[Diana Smith]

 
OK there were very few job opportunities for girls in the 18/19th centuries. 

If I had to choose between lace making which was clean, light, work at home 
with hours to suit. Against working long hours away from home scrubbing, 
cleaning, cooking, washing for someone else for little return or thanks - I 
know which I would choose!! Living conditions were probably not always the best 
but you can't have everything ;o)

I read somewhere that the girls of Northamptonshire were noted for their small, 
soft hands - which was due to the fact they made lace all day long for a living!

Diana

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Re: [lace] machine/handmade lace

[Diana Smith]

In the 19th century 'Lace Schools' were mostly just that - schools for
learning to make lace. Usually kept by an elderly lace maker who would have
little or no skills in teaching the three R's. Some basics in lettering could
probably be achieved but little more. The following is an account by a lace
maker from Sudborough in Northamptonshire. There is no mention of the children
learning anything other than lace making.

 ‘Mrs Bugby was born in the
atmosphere of pillows and bobbins for her mother kept a lace school in the
village so the combined memories of mother and daughter take us back to the
time when lace making flourished and supplemented the meagre wages of the
menfolk. We learn that there were two or three lace schools in Sudborough and
Mrs Bugby’s mother had about a dozen scholars. She had a room with 2 windows
and some girls sat by one and the rest by the other. The scholars sat back to
back to prevent unnecessary conversation. The ages of the scholars varied.
Some began at the age of 5 and stayed until they were married. Girls preferred
lace making to going into service. Her mother’s charge to teach them the art
was 3 shillings and this including ‘setting up’ tying bobbins etc. This
price included everything until the learner was a thoroughly competent lace
maker. After they became skilled, her mother charged them 3d a week to do work
in her house
 and that included firing in the winter. Mrs Bugby herself started lace making
when only 5 years old. Work began as soon as it was light and continued until
the allotted task was done.'
 
There were Dame's Schools and Charity Schools
which provided 'reading, sewing and lacemaking'. These were sometimes run
together with children spending time in each. In some areas evening classes
were also available for the very keen. At nearby Wellingborough - 'A charity
school in which 25 boys are taught to read, and the like number of girls to
read, sew and make lace, is supported by means of a bequest made by John
Freeman in 1711.'
The above is taken from my research into lacemaking in
Northamptonshire. 
 
I have a interesting book published in 2000 by Alan
Brown called 'Take the Children...? How Victorian lace girls lived and worked
in the Honiton and East Midlands districts - this is their story, as told to
the 1862 Royal Commission. I believe Sheila Brown is on the list.
 
Diana
Smith in Northamptonshire



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[lace] Yaldhurst ladies

[Diana Smith]

At a local antique market I found a little book called Our Crafty Lives by the 
Yaldhurst Ladies by Rosamund Douglas and Janet Foster. It was first published 
in 1989. 

In the book is a photograph of a lady making lace named Marrion Shuttleworth. 
Does anyone know the lady or the other ladies of Yaldhurst? Idle curiosity only.

Diana in Northamptonshire

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[lace] Check these out!

[Diana Smith]

These are for the lace maker who has everything - and doesn't need to walk
very far !
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/JEFFREY-CAMPBELL-ROCK-LACE-BIEGE-AND-IVORY-CUT-OUT-
WEDGE-HEELS-MAKER-LITA-/170852258665?pt=US_Women_s_Shoesvar=hash=item6d7705
356c

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Re: [lace] pillow stands

[Diana Smith]

Most of what has been described have been tables.  I have several of those 
mentioned in the correspondence.  But the stand I prefer, especially for 
travel, is not a table but a stand.  It was given to me by Jeannette Van 
Ord in the Netherlands and is the kind that is used in Bruges and many 
other places in that part of the world.  It is basically an adjustable 
column: the inner length slides up and down inside a case and is held in 
place by a nail thrust through holes. There is a simple cross piece at the 
top of the inner column,  and it has a flat base attached to the outer 
case on which to rest the feet and hold the whole thing steady.


This exactly describes the stand I use. I purchased mine in Bruges some 
years ago. It came from an old family run business - whose name I cannot for 
the life of me remember though I think it could have been something like 
Charlakins?


As I recall they sold mainly menswear and also various items used by 
lacemakers.


Diana in Northants where spring dipped its toe in the water yesterday and 
decided to go back to bed till it got warmer! 


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Re: [lace] Honiton Motifs

[Diana Smith]

You can find picture frames which include a mount that has several cutouts 
of different shapes - hard to describe! So you could mount various spriggs 
in one frame. I found the one below on ebay.


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LIGHT-WOODEN-PICTURE-PHOTO-FRAME-IVORY-MULTI-MOUNT-/150750093461?pt=UK_Photo_Frames_Displayhash=item231967e095

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Re: [lace] Liberty bodices

[Diana Smith]

Hello Sheila

Yes I remember wearing a liberty bodice - it would have been in the late 
1940s. Showing my age!!!


Diana in Northants - were it was lovely and sunny now overcast and 
threatening rain.


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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:10 PM
Subject: [lace] Liberty bodices


How many among us remember having to wear these or were they only in 
Britain.


Sheila in Sawbo' where it is cold, but sunny unlike tomorrow where we are 
promised rain again!


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[lace] Contacts in NZ

[Diana Smith]

Happy New Year to everyone.

I have a friend who will be travelling to New Zealand (sorry I know no more 
than that) on the 18th of January and she would like to hear of any 
lacemakers and/or groups down there that she could get in touch with.


If replies could please be sent to me and I will forward them to her - many 
thanks.


Diana in Northamptonshire 


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Re: [lace] Buttons

[Diana Smith]

I have an old lace bobbin made by David Haskins with the inscription ROSE 
HANNAH BROWN DIED MARCH 18 1846 AGED 5 YEARS.


On the spangle is a child's shoe/boot button. It makes me sad whenever I 
look at it :o(


Diana in a wet  windy Northamptonshire 


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Re: [lace] UK Lace Guild magazine

[Diana Smith]

I also received mine at the end of last month (October).

Diana in Northants

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[lace] Copley's research

[Diana Smith]

I recently bought a lovely box, for use in a haberdashery shop, on ebay.

It was used to hold 'Copley's Embroidery  Knitting Wools' - not exactly 
lace I know. I thought I would do some research on Copley's but with very 
little result. Do any of you knowledgeable people out there have any 
information on the company and what happened to them? Perhaps Brenda is the 
person in the know!


Any help appreciated.
Diana in Northants 


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Re: [lace] Pictures of Brugge uploaded to Webshots

[Diana Smith]

Dear Clay

That is superb work and design. We lesser mortals can only gaze in 
admiration at the excellent pictures - thank you so much for sharing them 
with us.


Has anyone else received their copy of Lace yet? There is a picture of 
another beautiful piece of needle lace made by Catherine Barley.


Diana in a steamy, wet, miserable Northamptonshire

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Re: [lace] David Naylor bobbin on Ebay

[Diana Smith]

Hi Trish

I'm the very lucky owner of two David Naylor bobbins, one exactly the same 
as the one listed with the clasped hand to hold the spangle wire the other 
has a bell shape as the tail, both are dated 1986. I'm not sure if they are 
bone or ivory, the workmanship is so good they are smooth enough to be ivory 
though I'm sure I would only have bought them if they were from old 
material.


David, who was English, wasn't on the lace day trail very long before he 
died suddenly. His beautiful bobbins were most definitely the 'must haves' 
of the time though I'm still a little puzzled as to why it has reached such 
a price.


Sorry I can't tell you more but it was a long time ago - to long :o(
Diana in a wet, miserable Northamptonshire. 


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Re: [lace] (lace) Joyce's Poppies photo

[Diana Smith]

I replied to Catherine - I had this problem but if you use the webshot link 
at the bottom of the page - it works for me.


Diana in Northants

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To: catherinebar...@btinternet.com; Arachne lace@arachne.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 8:12 AM
Subject: RE: [lace] (lace) Joyce's Poppies photo


Dear Catherine, Yes, I have had similar problems. They tend to occur when 
USA
is waking up and getting 'on line' -not just the lacemakers- then 
everything

on computer slows down while error messages/ over-use messages and not
available at this moment abound. I usually just try later. Happy lace 
making,

Joepie, East Sussex, UK From: catherinebar...@btinternet.com
 Dear Lacemakers


I'm getting pretty frustrated reading about David's progress on the 
Poppies

and how wonderful they are, because I've tried about 7/8 times to access

the
page and keep getting - 'We're Sorry. due to a high volume of 
page

requests, this Webshots page is not available right now'  ...etc.

How

come others have been able to view it and respond to David's email but I
cannot!  Maybe I'm just trying at the wrong time?  Has anyone else had 
this

problem?

Many thanks in anticipation.

Catherine Barley
UK


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