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1998-03-22 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Yes, Cindy is a woman, but the sex wouldn't have made a difference to me. I have gone on business trips with males (separate rooms, usually). Some time will have to tell you of a trip with my colleague, Don, to St. Louis. I learned a long

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1998-03-21 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill The neat thing though is that I don't pay anything for this trip. The school is paying for everything from the way it sounds. And the seminar is designed for profs in the social sciences so it shouldn't be too technical. But, I hadn't thought

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1998-03-20 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, LOL...you could write off the cost of you ISP as an occupational cost. :) Sounds like you saw some of the best of St. Louis when you were there. Bill On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:28:27 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie

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1998-03-19 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Yep, that was the mansion. It was really interesting. We also drove to the haunted place on the campus of the university. Was great fun as it was something so different to do. Was even more fun that the tour of Budweiser. We also went to the

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1998-03-17 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, oh, Bill I think it was Washington U., they were gossiping about. I think it was talked so much because Washington faculty and administration were well known to be truly independent. They are suppose to have dropped sociology as a separate

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1998-03-17 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, I know that when I went there it was a bastion of liberal thinking amidst a rather conservative neighborhood. This was during the Vietnam War and I remember students protesting the war being allowed time to make brief statements to

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1998-03-16 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue We all were floored when she mouthed off like that. Needless to say, it was not a course I recommended to any of my students. He pushed for parent-child interaction to be on an equal footing. Sorry, my developmental psych and socialization

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1998-03-15 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: The kids not only know about it, but know how to use it at the high school level. In fact a lot of the teachers will lock the door to the classroom when they are in there alone now, because they don't want to be caught in a compromising

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1998-03-15 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue They now have a new parenting class at a few schools. It is called "Parenting Without Control." I recently seen the results of that and boy, I was not impressed. The man who wrote the material for the course has a little 5th grader. The

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1998-03-15 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: How far do you think you would have gotten if you had talked to either your parents or teacher this way. LOL I *know* how far I would have gotten. And it wouldn't have been pretty. I wonder what is going to happen the first time this father

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1998-03-14 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Is the U of St Louis the only college there?? I can't remember. It is the college that had Laud Humphreys as a faculty member. The gossip is that the faculty could not get along at all--differences in sociological perspective, etc. Part of

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1998-03-14 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue And now teachers have sexual harassment to contend with. Believe me, some of the students (ones that really don't want to study, it seems) are aware of this and try to use it to their advantage at the college level. Probably is true at high

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1998-03-13 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue Couldn't help thinking about how I was raised. My mom always insisted that everyone should be treated with dignity and respect and that we should defend those that didn't have the things we had--good health, mental capabilities, etc. No wonder

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1998-03-13 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue I wonder if they are developmental studies. When Kathy pointed out the distinction between infant and toddler it would make sense in developmental studies, especially when you think of eary developmental psychologists (Piaget, Freud, etc)

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1998-03-13 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue I wonder if you went on Map Quest or something like that and looked at a map of Arizona if the town's name would ring a bell?? Just a thought. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I'm beginning to

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1998-03-13 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill You saw the cartoon too. What do you know, maybe the Austin Herald is entering the world of current news. That cartoon was really a good one I thought. Yeah, I was a little cynical yesterday. Perhaps because I am doing final grades and

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1998-03-13 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Could Monsanto have something to do with the popularity? I know there was gossip in the academic circles that when St. Louis abolished there sociology department it was because the department was known as being Marxist and Monsanto implied they

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1998-03-13 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I was raised the same way. Although my teachers were very important, they were not the ones who instilled my values or anyone elses, that I can remember. I know up until the day both my mom and dad died, I still would not have dared to *talk

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1998-03-13 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I will try that on both Texas and Arizona. Good idea. :) Sue Hi Sue I wonder if you went on Map Quest or something like that and looked at a map of Arizona if the town's name would ring a bell?? Just a thought. jackief -- Two

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1998-03-12 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: 2 is used only in certain studies, and I can't off hand tell you what they are. :( Sue Hi Sue I wasn't aware that they sometimes used 2 years and under. I knew about the 1 year cutoff and the 28 day cutoff for neonatal deaths, but

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1998-03-12 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I had forgotten about the chorinated pesticides. Really makes you wonder, especially after reading quite a while back that the U.S. was spraying cities with some chemical to check how far the wind would carry the stuff. I know Mpls was one of

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1998-03-12 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc You were one of the "worthy" poor it seems. Funny how even in the helping professions, titles and looks account for so much. jackief DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 06:17:02 EST, you write: But

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1998-03-12 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't the Arizona/Mexico border because in my looking I have noticed a larger percentage of these births than in any other stats I have seen. I am still trying to find out the name of the town. If I can find that

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1998-03-12 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: That sounds like a wonderful idea. It wouldn't hurt anyone to find out what it is like to walk in anothers shoes for a while. Maybe there would be a little more tolerance and understanding for everyone if we all did this at least once. I

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1998-03-12 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, LOL...you can wield that axe of cynicism pretty good. There was a great political cartoon in the paper. It showed two teachers at an inner city school expressing gratitude that they finally got computers so the students could surf

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1998-03-11 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc The asbestos thing is probably as great a risk. They just removed the asbestos above the auditorium I was teaching in 4 years ago when I was still teaching in it and there were at least 200 students in each class. We still have asbestos removal

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1998-03-11 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc You know I wish there was still a way for people to live the life for a week--maybe understanding would come more quickly. A prof. in Mankato I know used to be able to take a small class to a big city--give them $5 and turn them loose in the

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1998-03-11 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, And we still don't know the long term effects of the use of chlorinated pesticides back in the 50's and 60's. Remember Love Canal? There were hundreds of sites like it that never got the publicity that Love Canal did. There are

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1998-03-11 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, What??? And deprive some people of the chance to be millionaires? And deprive the Pentagon of procuring their latest toys?? Surely you jest. Bill On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:03:49 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie

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1998-03-11 Thread DocCec
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 06:17:02 EST, you write: But the students learned what it was like to try to access the "helping?" organizations, to wonder where they would sleep or eat that night, and feel the contempt that others directed toward them. One

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1998-03-11 Thread Sue Hartigan
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: Now please don't quote me on this, but i think that they do routine lead testing now on babies during their check ups. I do know that some of the symptoms of lead poisoning are colic, and anemia along with some others. But these two symptoms

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1998-03-10 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Thank you a hundred times. This article is definitely one for me to look at. I am going to the library today or tomorrow (the public one) and will get it if they carry Life. The twins you are talking about I think are part of the study

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1998-03-10 Thread Jackie Fellows
Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue I wasn't aware that they sometimes used 2 years and under. I knew about the 1 year cutoff and the 28 day cutoff for neonatal deaths, but this is new to me. Will have to make sure I check the data really carefully when comparing to make sure of

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1998-03-10 Thread DocCec
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-10 06:43:03 EST, you write: For demographers, neonatal death occurs within the first 28 days and infant mortality within a year, I believe. I would imagine the medical profession uses the same cut-offs. So, I wonder if there would

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1998-03-10 Thread William J. Foristal
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, It's certainly probable that there would be strong correlation between lead poisoning potential and other environmental hazards that could cause infant mortality even if the infant is not able to get access to the lead contaminated