On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote:
> Ray Olszewski wrote:
> > We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent, and many of the
> > important participants in LEAF have been most notable for their silence on
> > this thread.
>
> I'd like to speak up myself. I would also like to
Ray Olszewski wrote:
> We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent, and many of the
> important participants in LEAF have been most notable for their silence on
> this thread.
I'd like to speak up myself. I would also like to echo those
sentiments: silence does not imply my assent.
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Scott C. Best wrote:
>
> I just wanted to split a quick hair. No affront to
> Pi, I just needed a handy quote to speak from:
>
> > My point: This is an LRP issue. Deal with it in LRP and try not to
> > generalize it into something larger. Abstaining from politics is pol
I just wanted to split a quick hair. No affront to
Pi, I just needed a handy quote to speak from:
> My point: This is an LRP issue. Deal with it in LRP and try not to
> generalize it into something larger. Abstaining from politics is politics
> as well.
>
> Pi
To be sure, McVei
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Pim van Riezen wrote:
> My point: This is an LRP issue. Deal with it in LRP and try not to
> generalize it into something larger. Abstaining from politics is politics
> as well.
Doing a bit of a follow-up on myself here. I think it may help if I point
out what my position to
> >I agree with Scott's wording. I recognized my mistake as soon as I read
his
> >message. I think we should give Morgan a chance to write a draft. He may
> >come up with something we can all agree on.
> ...
>
> We need to be careful here. Silence does not equal assent, and many of the
> important
On Tue, 12 Jun 2001, Mike Noyes wrote:
> Morgan Reed, 2001-06-12 00:52 -0400
> >This is an inital rough draft that I think/hope represents all of the
> >ideas mentioned here.
>
> Morgan,
> It looks pretty good to me. For this to work we need all of our project
> admins and a strong majority of de
I subscribed to this list moments ago, and this is the second message I
received.
If you plan to send this out, I will sign it.
Cheers
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From: Mike Noyes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Morgan Reed, 2001-06-12 00:52 -0400
>This is an inital rough draft that I think/hope represents all of the
>ideas mentioned here.
Morgan,
It looks pretty good to me. For this to work we need all of our project
admins and a strong majority of developers to sign it. If this can't be
accomplished,
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Morgan Reed
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2001 2:53 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org draft?
>
>
> This is an inital rough draft that I think/
June 12, 2001 12:24 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
>
>
> At 08:25 PM 6/11/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
> ...
> >I agree with Scott's wording. I recognized my mistake as soon as
> I read his
> >message. I think we shoul
At 08:25 PM 6/11/01 -0700, Mike Noyes wrote:
...
>I agree with Scott's wording. I recognized my mistake as soon as I read his
>message. I think we should give Morgan a chance to write a draft. He may
>come up with something we can all agree on.
...
We need to be careful here. Silence does not e
Morgan Reed, 2001-06-11 23:08 -0400
>I agree we don't have to be politically correct (gets my hair up just
>thinking about it) but I do think that if Mike were to post something
>without support of the rest of the dev group, it is no different than
>what Dave has done.
Morgan,
I hope I never do t
Ray Olszewski, 2001-06-11 19:41 -0700
>OK, some additional thoughts ...
>2. Including his sponsors as part of that audience would seem to me to
>be a good thing as well. Preferably without any footnotes from us; his
>words really do speak for themselves, very clearly. Alas, it's probably
>too lat
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bao C. Ha
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:50 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
>
>
>
> Perhaps Mike Noyes should put a statement together on
While I don't disagree with the general sentiments expressed about
Dave's politics, I don't think anything would be accomplished by
any organized campaign against Dave. It would just create more
anger and hate.
There is such a death-strewn chain of deadly action and reaction
and reaction and
OK, some additional thoughts ...
1. Personally, I think the world would be a better place if Dave's current
version of the LRP home page was seen by a very large audience. His dodgy
description of the site interruption on the LRP lists -- it is hardly true
that "The servers will be down all of Mo
; -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> Steven Peck
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:14 PM
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
>
>
> I like this idea.
>
>
orrow.
--
Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org
> -Original Message-
> From: Morgan Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-de
df file of the
linuxrouter.org site, stuff like this should always be remembered, if only
to show the limits of some folks reality)
- Original Message -
From: "Mike Noyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:00 PM
Subject: RE: OT
I have read many good suggestions here, but one I have not seen mentioned is
an open letter, signed by all (r as many as possible) of the LEAF-dev team,
expressing our sorrow and disagreement with Dave's decision. We would then
post this letter for the general LRP list.
I think that would be eno
Mike:
IMO, you're absolutely right in not wanting to help
Dave-C with attracting a larger audience. I think your "alternate
possibility" list below, while a strong tactic, would affect
the undesired response.
However, your other suggestions seem dead-on. The
LEAF team *is* the su
Bao C. Ha, 2001-06-11 16:01 -0700
>I have an evil idea. Should I let the slashdot.org crowd
>knows about this?
Bao,
I don't think Dave C's views deserve a larger audience then they are
already receiving. We may want to consider:
1) stop answering questions on the linux-router list (boycott/pr
t; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 4:01 PM
Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
>
> I have an evil idea. Should I let the slashdot.org crowd
> knows about this?
>
> Bao
>
> > -Original Message-
> >
I have an evil idea. Should I let the slashdot.org crowd
knows about this?
Bao
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Noyes
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 3:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re:
Kenneth Hadley, 2001-06-11 09:39 -0700
>I hope that someone hacked his web server otherwise Ive lost what little
>respect for Dave Cinege I had left after his fiasco with acepting help.
Kenneth,
I doubt his site was hacked. I knew Dave was a Libertarian, but I was
unaware of his anarchist views.
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of
> Mike Sensney
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 June 2001 3:12 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
>
>
> At 09:39 AM 06/11/2001 -0700, Kenneth Hadley wrote:
>
> >I hope that someone hacked
Oh jeesh. What a f!cking moron.
-Scott
On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Mike Sensney wrote:
> At 09:39 AM 06/11/2001 -0700, Kenneth Hadley wrote:
>
> >I hope that someone hacked his web server otherwise Ive lost what little
> >respect for Dave Cinege I had left after his fiasco with acepting help
At 09:39 AM 06/11/2001 -0700, Kenneth Hadley wrote:
>I hope that someone hacked his web server otherwise Ive lost what little
>respect for Dave Cinege I had left after his fiasco with acepting help.
I echo your opinion.
Would Dave C feel the same if his own family had been "collateral damage"?
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