Re: [LU] Saints - crowd reaction

[Ian Murray]

It's my wife's birthday tomorrow so I am unfortunately missing the game.

It's probably for the best.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
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Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2024 6:28 AM
To: n...@6haroldplace.co.uk 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: Re: [LU] Saints - crowd reaction

Yep, this season 3 teams deserved to go up automatically - that one won’t, and 
potentially a Norwich could go up is why the play-offs are so flawed, but thems 
the rules!


> On 1 May 2024, at 19:43, n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
>
> I hope they / we will reflect that 90 points is the current record for a 
> team finishing 3rd.
>
> The average is 83.
>
> 90 points is the average total for the Champions
> With 85 for 2nd.
>
> By any measure we have had a very good season, the problem is that Leicester 
> & Ipswich have had exceptional seasons.
>
> I hope for this, but I doubt it will happen.
>
> Nick
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On 1 May 2024, at 11:59, Simon McNally via Leedslist  
>> wrote:
>> I think a lot will depend upon the first few minutes.
>> If we come out in a positive manner and look good I think the fans will be 
>> supportive.
>> If we see a repeat of the QPR or Sunderland games I think the crowd will get 
>> a bit tetchy.
>> It will also be interesting to see the team he picks. I read before that 
>> some of the fringe players like Joffy have been withdrawn from the 23s this 
>> week.
>>
>> Sent from Outlook for 
>> iOS>
>> 
>> From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
>> Leedslist 
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2024 11:49:18 AM
>> To: leeds list 
>> Subject: [LU] Saints - crowd reaction
>>
>> I wonder what mood ( apart from resignation) the crowd wil be in on 
>> Saturday. Will the players and Farke be treated as heroes for turning a 
>> season around, getting to within an inch of automatic promotion despite the 
>> huge points gap at times, and gaining an unbelievable 90pts ORWill they be 
>> treated as bottle jobs who let us and themselves down when it really counted 
>> especially the abject capitulation at QPR ?
>> Both reactions are understandable and reasonable.
>> Will it be affected by anything happening at Ipswich? How leeds would it be 
>> to hear Huddersfield have won then concede a last minute equaliser anyway ?
>> Personally i think overall they have done a fantastic job and need our full 
>> backing in the play offs but i totally understand the opposite point of view 
>> that they failed ( so far ) when it really mattered.
>> I know which of my match going mates will take which  view
>>
>> Been seeing/ hearing a lot re play off statistics - 36 % of teams coming 3rd 
>> get promoted but leeds have lost all 5 play off attempts and have lost every 
>> final since 1972 in various competitions,  so it is very much a lottery
>> Finally i want to put on record (again) what a fraud the play off final is . 
>> It gets all the razzmatazz and build up of a real final but should be 
>> something we are ashamed to be at - 2 teams not good enough to go up 
>> properly.  Yes i will really enjoy the victory if we manage it but still 
>> think it is a fraud
>>
>> Dave
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Re: [LU] We Will Remember Them

[Ian Murray]

Granpa Sykes?

From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: Wednesday, 17 January 2024 6:36 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] We Will Remember Them

I am about to update the footer for our email messages.

Following Gav's mention of DRB, I would like to add the following names:
Guy, Pete, DRB, Lido and Padraig. Is their anyone elese we should remember?

And does anyone want to give a specific date for the birth of the list?

Cheers,

Betty

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Re: [LU] Risible

[Ian Murray]

Personally not sure how he has the front to attend ER ever, or how he gets away 
with being employed in any capacity in executive positions

From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2024 3:26 AM
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Risible

Surprised that none of my fellow armchair fans noticed Peter Risible in the 
stands for Sunday's game. He looked very drawn.

My mate Big Al was also shown before the match.

Betty
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Re: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

[Ian Murray]

You have to say that that describes his time with us perfectly.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
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Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2023 8:08 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Dont want to kick a man when he's down but this seems very true

Remember that Boro piece on Orta? Well, someone's just shared a piece on Marsch 
from a USA forum entitled "Jesse Marsch might not be very good." It's from a 
year ago, and it's terrifying. Won't share the whole thing because it's badly 
written and rambling. But some bits are jaw-dropping when you consider we'd 
tracked him for years and knew him better than he knew himself.
"At New York teams worked out that you set a low block and play over him. The 
book on how to stop them was written, and things didn't go well. They did 
inexplicably beat Toronto - the best MLS team of all time. More on that later."
"In his biggest game, NY go a goal down and the opposition set a low block. 
Marsch can't adjust tactics. They do have 20 shots chasing the game, all of 
them fail on some sort of mishit pass/shot because there's no time. They press 
harder than they've ever pressed . They create chance after chance after 
chance. Then in the second half after a slight change from the opposition they 
create nothing."
"In Salzburg, he took Haaland and an exciting team to an expected league title 
(a very fortunate points deduction to their rivals helped). In the CL they look 
good against Liverpool and not good against worse teams. Fans complain that 
he's a mediocre coach who can't make adjustments."
"Leipzig are unanimously expected to qualify for the champions league. After 14 
games they're 8th and have lost three in a row. Leipzig are unable to deal with 
low blocks. They have a knack of looking good against good sides, and not so 
good against less good sides."
"Marsch tactics work very well when you have an opponent who like time on the 
ball. You can press and disrupt. Bit if teams play on the counter or hit long 
balls over the top, Marsch's teams all come up short. "
"Marsch has coached at three teams. All of which reached unprecedented heights 
in his absence."
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Re: [LU] Dave Dowden.

[Ian Murray]

Really sorry to hear this news.

I haven't met many of you lot in person but we have all been on this list for a 
fairly long time now and in some weird digital way we all sort of know bits 
about each other.

Rest in Peace Dave.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: Tuesday, 10 January 2023 3:09 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Dave Dowden.

Dear all,

Quite a few of you will know that lister and member of the Leeds Lards worldnet 
team, Dave 'Lido' Dowden has been ill with cancer this past two years. His 
illness finally got the better of him late on Sunday night. He was at home with 
his family having turned what was a six month assessment into two very full 
years.

Those of you who knew Dave would know that he was a devoted Leeds fan but there 
was so much more to him. He was a munroist, he enjoyed cycling, and took an 
active part in politics in Pudsey. In recent years he was a leading light in 
the Pudsey Greenside Greenway project. He also liked a good fire!

A committed traveller, there were few places he had not visited and anyone who 
shared those trips will confirm that they were always er, eventful. He made 
many of the matches abroad during our most recent European campaigns and quite 
a few of us shared those trips. (Anyone going to the Barca game will remember 
him and Chris Fitz staying above a sex shop which they were convinced was run 
by nuns).

I can not begin to list all the adventures, stories and mishaps he was involved 
in (he was short of a big toe after an accident with a lawn mower). One thing I 
can say is they were many. Maybe one day someone will collect them.

Anyway, he now joins the other listers in the great list retirement home in the 
sky. Dave was a one off and will never be forgotten.

Betty

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Re: [LU] Soton thoughts from the armchair

[Ian Murray]

I was going to say that I liked Roca from what I saw of him live in Brisbane 
and Perth.  Looked tidy.  I wouldnt call him a Gregan.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of MATTHEW GAYNOR via 
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Sent: Monday, 15 August 2022 6:50 PM
To: Nick ; Richard Walker ; 
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Subject: Re: [LU] Soton thoughts from the armchair


Roca played a couple of good balls that Bamford just failed to control
against Wolves
At the moment he seems to run out of energy in the 2nd half - so needs
to be swapped for Forshaw on 60 mins

Matt

-- Original Message --
From: "Richard Walker via Leedslist" 
To: "leeds list" ; "Nick"

Sent: Monday, 15 Aug, 22 At 11:44
Subject: Re: [LU] Soton thoughts from the armchair
  Agree. Adam is a tidy footballer and may get to grips with the PL.
Roca and Kristensen are more of a worry.
 On Monday, 15 August 2022 at 11:28:07 BST, Nick
 wrote:

  I think there is a decent player in Adams, he needs to get used to the
pace / physicality of this league.
 From what I’ve seen so far, Kristensen is 3rd choice RB behind Ayling
and Dramah. He brings occasional flashes of something extra, but he does
not appear (early days I know) to have the steady reliability, or
positional sense you want from a FB.
Love our new striker - Rodrigo...
On 15 Aug 2022, at 10:25, Ben Thorpe  wrote:
Adams, there might be a player in there. Kristensen, played significant
roles in the goals we've conceded. Roca - reminds me of Sean Gregan -
it's been a pleasure not to have to watch players like this under
Bielsa.

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Re: [LU] This list's digests all available e-here

[Ian Murray]

Thanks for sharing James.

Little bit bittersweet looking at emails from listers who have passed away over 
the course of the last 10 years.

MOT

From: Leedslist  on behalf of James A. Lundon @ 
Yahoo! via Leedslist 
Sent: Monday, 30 May 2022 6:53 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 
Subject: [LU] This list's digests all available e-here

Folks,
See 
https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailman.gn.apc.org%2Fmailman%2Fprivate%2Fleedslist%2Fdata=05%7C01%7C%7C5bb825292f2c47acb77d08da422aa67c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637895048295793952%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=k53fZ6B2xl0H0w0ADsVpbSgZhi5ukKqgUWvx6Hdm%2FA0%3Dreserved=0

These digests go right back to 28 July 2010.
James.
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Re: [LU] Phew

[Ian Murray]

Shame about the scousers but we have handed the title to dubious beneficiaries 
before.  Scum fans are terrified of them doing the quadruple so silver linings.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of john 

Sent: Monday, 25 April 2022 1:29 AM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Phew

My old gypsy grandmother has consulted her crystal ball and she confirms that 
we will beat Citeh, thus gifting Scousepool the title whilst ensuring we stay 
up.Good eh?Betty
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Re: [LU] More games moved

[Ian Murray]

The Arsenal fixture has good nostalgia potential

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Wiggy 

Sent: Tuesday, 5 April 2022 1:33 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] More games moved

Per the officious site
(https://www.leedsunited.com/news/team-news/29734/live-tv-may-broadcast-selections-made),
3 more games moved. All times UK.

Arsenal v Leeds: Sun 8th May @ 2pm (Sky)

Leeds v Chelsea: Wed 11th May @ 7.30pm (Sky)

Leeds v Brighton: Sun 15th May @ 2pm


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Re: [LU] I had a dream...

[Ian Murray]

I also had a dream  - in my dream Meslier sustained an injury sidelining him 
for a long time and the U23 keeper was shite.

Brill.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Michael Benjamin 

Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2021 6:37 AM
To: john ; Alec McQueen ; LEEDSLIST 

Subject: Re: [LU] I had a dream...

Dream on ;-)

Get Outlook for Android

From: Leedslist  on behalf of john 

Sent: Wednesday, December 1, 2021 12:36:47 AM
To: Alec McQueen ; LEEDSLIST 
Subject: Re: [LU] I had a dream...

Proper dream that Alec.BtW have I won the lottery?Sent from the passenger seat 
of an imaginary Austin A40..
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Re: [LU] Coach 22

[Ian Murray]

I dont think Bielsa will be our manager next year, sadly.

If he doesnt turn our results around before Christmas he will resign.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Monday, 18 October 2021 1:08 AM
To: Robert Heath 
Cc: leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] Coach 22

Someone asked the question about getting rid of Bielsa, and it is, sadly, a 
fair one? Accepting the unbelievable progress of the last 3 years, performances 
which I’ll never ever forget, Bielsa’s methods have been neutered by many 
teams, and unless we score a hat-full then our defensive structure means we are 
completely naive at times! Simply repeating the same mistake time and again, 
with lesser quality players than our first xi, seems idiotic.

We can now see why Bielsa stays only a short time at teams - he gets sussed 
out, and then finds another group to ‘indoctrinate’. When it works it’s 
brilliant!

At what point though does the club start to ask him questions, and will he 
simply walk?

There are 7 teams with 7 points or less - I think we can muddle our way to 
safety, but I’m short of belief that this is going anywhere near the 9th place 
of last season, although I’d settle for 17th. Unless our prospects improve I 
think it’s unfeasible we’ll be hanging on to the likes of Rapha, Phillips etc 
for more than this season? What are the odds of Newcastle coming in for them in 
January?

I still hope I see us with Shack in midfield and Drameh at right back, and 
soon! And Roberts nowhere near the first xi :-(



Sent from my iPad

> On 17 Oct 2021, at 16:20, Robert Heath  wrote:
>
> What worries me is that the players seem to be lacking
> confidence..and one thing you need if you are going to play
> Bielsaball (and all the high-risk play that entails) is supreme confidence.
> It is one of the many facets of Bielsa's genius that he managed to instill
> such self-belief in players who, let's be honest, did not previously seem
> to possess the talent to deserve to be confident. No doubt getting our top
> players back will help, but Bielsa's biggest challenge now, I think, is to
> somehow rebuild that lost confidence.
>
> My other worry is that opposing managers have worked out how our passing
> patterns develop and have trained their players where to position
> themselves to prevent us building moves.
>
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 4:11 PM nattan--- via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
>
>> I agree from what I have read and what little I have seen, yesterday was
>> clearly very poor, and I accept we have problems. However can you imagine
>> the moaning from other managers if they had to start a game with both
>> fullbacks, the midfield lynchpin,  the top goal scorer, and the best / most
>> creative player all absent? That is 5 out of 10 outfield players missing,
>> exactly half of them
>> No team could hope to cope easily with that level of absence.( Koch a
>> current German international also injured)
>> Yes our problems are exacerbated by the small squad which led to a very
>> young and inexperienced bench ( the absent for 2 years Forshaw not
>> withstanding)
>> Things are also made worse by Dallas being out of sorts ( missed an NI
>> game earlier due to personal reasons)
>> As one of my T shirts says "LUFC KEEP THE FAITH"
>> Anyone asking for Bielsa to be replaced  need to get a grip
>> Get our players back, get a few good results and it will all look much
>> better
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>On Sunday, 17 October 2021, 15:56:07 BST, Michael Benjamin <
>> m...@myray.com> wrote:
>>
>> This team is Bielsa.
>> If it fails we simply go down. No one can get more out of them.
>> We'd sell and start all over again.
>> This year not only have players gone backward but no one has progressed
>> from the under 23s who are not on the fringes before.
>> I am at a loss as to why or what is happening, plenty of guesses, but why
>> guess. We will wait and see.
>> This is Bielsa's show
>>
>> Get Outlook for Android
>> 
>> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Ed Morrish <
>> edmorr...@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2021 5:49:32 PM
>> To: list leedslist 
>> Subject: [LU] Coach 22
>>
>> Watching the highlights of a pretty abject performance yesterday, a
>> problem occurred to me: Bielsa has gotten players like Kalvin and Bamford
>> playing in a way that no other coach has ever managed. And when the team
>> succeeds it’s because he’s got them playing in a way that none of our
>> previous coaches ever have. So for all the problems we’ve got - a small
>> squad, no plan B, a reluctance to change underperforming players - I wonder
>> if a different coach would be able to change anything, given the players
>> we’ve got? I mean, Bielsa’s the coach who turned Luke Ayling into someone
>> people talk about being called up for England. Is there anyone else who can
>> do that, or would they need to spent £30m on a new right back?
>>
>> In other words, if 

Re: [LU] 100 Years Ago

[Ian Murray]

It's totally shit Mikey.

However, it's really no different to Chelsea and Man City.   We put the game up 
for sale AT LEAST 20 years ago, when football clubs began listing.

WTAF despotic Arabs or Russian oligarchs have to do with our culture and our 
football clubs is beyond me.  Time to introduce some German modellingfans 
on boards, 50+1 and all that.  Won't happen, but should.   Personally I couldnt 
care less if all the Julio Giorgio types go play in Italy or FranceI'd 
quite like to see a fairer English game more like what it was when I fell in 
love with it in the late 80s.  This shit cost us 16 years of Leeds in the top 
flight.

On the plus side,  it has really upset the scousers, scum and arsenal who 
simply wont be able to compete.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Michael Benjamin 

Sent: Tuesday, 12 October 2021 12:24 AM
To: Richard Naef ; John Boocock 
; leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] 100 Years Ago


Hi
I am really pissed off about Newcastle all it means. For some strange reason, I 
found myself remembering the most incredible night of football. I was in 
Aberdeen with two Catholic pals as we watched the Lions of Lisbon.
I have never been so pissed out of my mind-- the whole of Scotland was berserk. 
 What a night that was and no wannabe psychopaths can rob that or the 
spirit--which is long gone.
It's like comparing the KOYLI with the Foreign Legion.


-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Richard Naef
Sent: 11 October 2021 19:02
To: John Boocock ; Leeds list 
Subject: Re: [LU] 100 Years Ago

Didn't get to the list Betty, perhaps check with someone who is responsible to 
help?

As for "searching for something else" - hmmm, Swedish Blonds maybe?

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Boocock
Sent: 08 October 2021 16:30
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] 100 Years Ago

Found this whilst searching for something else:

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Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!

[Ian Murray]

You can mute it mate.  I do.  I just dip in when I want.

I


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Graham White via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 September 2021 8:43 PM
To: Leeds List 2010 ; James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! 

Subject: Re: [LU] The healthy of this list - some musings!

I was on the WhatsApp group for while but had to come off as the sheer volume 
of messages was drowning out everything else.

Cheers

Graham White


On Thursday, 16 September 2021, 18:08:37 CEST, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via 
Leedslist  wrote:

 The era of the pure e-mailing list is almost gone!  I am still on a lot of 
old-style mailing lists so know better than many.  The only one that is going 
as strong as ever is something called RISKS [ACM FORUM ON RISKS TO THE PUBLIC 
IN COMPUTERS AND RELATED SYSTEMS (comp.risks) - Peter G. Neumann, founder and 
still moderator].  This very excellent RISKS mailing list has been going since 
1989 or 1990 and has its own very dedicated membership etc.

We have been on the go since mid-June 1992, which means we are in our 30th year 
of continuous operation.  This is a hugely impressive thing in and of itself.  
I have almost everything that has been posted on the list during that time, and 
everything from January 1993, when I first joined myself.  At least half the 
people on this list have been on it for over 25 years or more.  We are not 
unlike RISKS in many ways but it's how we deal with it, will decide whether we 
continue as we are or not.

The new WhatsApp group is great - which I'm trying to archive too - but it 
should never replace this mailing list.  Saying all that, the mailing list is 
only as good as the people who contribute to it, which really is just two or 
three people on a consistent basis.  Dave N. and Rich W. are keeping it fed 
almost single-handedly with their regular and consistently insightful & 
high-quality match reports.  The more people who contribute to the list, the 
healthier it will be.

I do see a few problems with the current Leedslist mailing list, one is the 
fact that it is text-based when time & tide have moved towards a more 
web-centric world (see below), another is the unknowing but very annoying habit 
of some posters to reply to (digest) posts including the entire contents of the 
(digest) posts they are replying to. There is little or nothing that the 
mailing list administrators [John Betty and myself] can do about that latter 
annoyance.  It has turned a few people off the list but we don't want to go 
down the road of moderating all contributions etc.

Remember, when the mailing list was first set up it was at a 
different-almost-pre-web time when many of us were not able to go to games, nor 
to look at them live on telly.  The latter is pretty much no longer the case.  
There are many other e-forums for fans to contribute to than before too: 
Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, WACCOE-like forums, personal blogs etc.  We live 
in an increasingly segmented world where we can consume our media in almost 
unique ways, this e-mailing list still being an almost-communal experience.

We live in a much more "immediate" world than ever before too, which suits the 
WhatsApp model, while many of us are more reflective, which suits the e-mailing 
list model.  However, for the list to survive, the quantity, but especially the 
quality, of the contributions must stay high, otherwise, we will continue to 
die very slowly.

Who else is willing to man that gap of keeping the signal-to-noise ratio high?  
Let's be having ya, Kevin Lewis and your always-excellent musings, or anything 
else that comes into that weird and wonderful mind of yours, KofT!

James.
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Re: [LU] Raphinha

[Ian Murray]

Fantastic.

I like him more now, man.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Thursday, 26 August 2021 11:33 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Raphinha

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/raphinha-leeds-united-premier-league-soccer

A brilliant read explains why he looks so angry on the pitch 
He will be a real star if we can keep him ( he may love it here but moneyAnd 
ambition will talk)
Dave At least with international beak my 10 day isolation will not mean I have 
to miss any home games .
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Re: [LU] Have we all got nothing to say about out thrashing by Manure?

[Ian Murray]

On the positive side - great hit by Ayling


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Alec McQueen 

Sent: Monday, 16 August 2021 7:00 AM
To: LEEDSLIST 
Subject: [LU] Have we all got nothing to say about out thrashing by Manure?

Away to title contenders, with our best player out already knackered, it
was hardly a surprise. But our defence was not up to standard.
Cheers
A



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0418 328967
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Re: [LU] Footy on the box

[Ian Murray]

Can't see the article but I do see that Messi is now a free agent.  Given City 
have just spunked the best part of a billion on Jack Grealish maybe the time is 
right for Messi to link up with his hero Bielsa.

I can dream I spose.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of john 

Sent: Thursday, 5 August 2021 6:24 PM
To: leedslist 
Subject: [LU] Footy on the box

Thoughts?Premier League TV rights: Government allows top flight to roll over 
existing deal - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58075012Sent from the 
passenger seat of an imaginary Austin A40..
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Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3

[Ian Murray]

It is circa 50 years since Hunter/Charlton etc were playing Nick.  All aspects 
of life, including football, are almost unrecognisably different now.



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nick 

Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2021 5:45 PM
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3

So you know like those guys that we have recently been lauding, those Leeds 
heroes - Charlton & Hunter etc - do you seriously not believe that they would 
have done something like what Chiellini did in that position?

And if it is a question of ‘doing whatever it takes’ to win, then how is that 
different from Sterling’s ‘penalty?

I mean seriously…I wish none of it would have happened…I’d rather people played 
fairly, but let’s not be all one-eyed about it.

Or is that all football is? Have I been away from grounds and crowds too long?

And why was Tom Cruise there? Was he driving that silly little car at the start?

I thought generally the referring and (whisper it) the judicious use of VAR was 
much better than we have become used to in the Premiership.

Nick

> On 14 Jul 2021, at 07:48, Ian Murray  wrote:
>
> I agree - cynical and professional foul.
>
> 
> From: Leedslist  on behalf of Alec McQueen 
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2021 7:49 AM
> To: Steve Gillen 
> Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3
>
> Steve
> I remember that foul, and I was also screaming for him to be sent off. So I
> agree with you. That was very dangerous and he should have walked.
> Cheers
> A
>
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 19:20, Steve Gillen  wrote:
>
>> Hands off or not Alex the pulling of saka back by his shirt neck WAS
>> dangerous play and could potentially caused damage to his windpipe. No
>> question for me that should have been a red card. I think even Cellini
>> (spelling?) expected it too.
>>
>> On 13 Jul 2021, at 07:04, Alec McQueen  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Steve
>> Agreed that the ref was a lot more hands off than most in this tournament,
>> but it did result in a better game because of it. There were a few times I
>> was screaming at the ref for getting it wrong, then seeing the replay and
>> he was spot on.
>>
>> And rather shamefully, I have to admit I was also screaming at Sterling as
>> he was being pressured in their box: "Dive, you bastard, dive... you choose
>> TODAY to stop diving???" :-)
>> Cheers
>> A
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 15:27, Steve Gillen  wrote:
>>
>>> Whilst I accept that Italy won, the outcome might have been different if
>>> the got tge one maybe two red cards they truly deserved...
>>>
>>>> On 13 Jul 2021, at 02:33, Alec McQueen  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>> Agree with all of that. Did KP play every minute of every game? I
>>> enjoyed
>>>> the commentator I had referring to KP as being Bielsa-fit a lot! :-). If
>>>> you'd have said this time last year that we would have had a Leeds
>>> player
>>>> in the team, for him to be fundamental to the England style, and for
>>> him to
>>>> be one of England's best players, I would have said you were off your
>>>> rocker!!
>>>>
>>>> I think England did really well. It would have been great to win it, but
>>>> Italy were class, and frankly I think they deserved it. They were better
>>>> than us. However, as you said, we have a young team and a great
>>> squad
>>>> they will get better. Decent chance at next year's world cup? Can we
>>> stand
>>>> the heat?
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Alec
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 01:38, Richard Naef <
>>> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I do feel for you guys who put the hard hours and days in when we were
>>>>> shit and yet can't get tickets now.   Until KP got picked I was
>>> ambivalent
>>>>> about England to say the least, but even tho we lost, I'm proud of the
>>>>> team, they are young and will improve!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of
>>> alan.edgar---
>>>>> via Leedslist
>>>>> Sent: 10 July 2021 15:44
>>>>> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave wrote:
>>>>>

Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3

[Ian Murray]

I agree - cynical and professional foul.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Alec McQueen 

Sent: Wednesday, 14 July 2021 7:49 AM
To: Steve Gillen 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3

Steve
I remember that foul, and I was also screaming for him to be sent off. So I
agree with you. That was very dangerous and he should have walked.
Cheers
A

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 19:20, Steve Gillen  wrote:

> Hands off or not Alex the pulling of saka back by his shirt neck WAS
> dangerous play and could potentially caused damage to his windpipe. No
> question for me that should have been a red card. I think even Cellini
> (spelling?) expected it too.
>
> On 13 Jul 2021, at 07:04, Alec McQueen  wrote:
>
> 
> Steve
> Agreed that the ref was a lot more hands off than most in this tournament,
> but it did result in a better game because of it. There were a few times I
> was screaming at the ref for getting it wrong, then seeing the replay and
> he was spot on.
>
> And rather shamefully, I have to admit I was also screaming at Sterling as
> he was being pressured in their box: "Dive, you bastard, dive... you choose
> TODAY to stop diving???" :-)
> Cheers
> A
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 15:27, Steve Gillen  wrote:
>
>> Whilst I accept that Italy won, the outcome might have been different if
>> the got tge one maybe two red cards they truly deserved...
>>
>> > On 13 Jul 2021, at 02:33, Alec McQueen  wrote:
>> >
>> > Richard
>> > Agree with all of that. Did KP play every minute of every game? I
>> enjoyed
>> > the commentator I had referring to KP as being Bielsa-fit a lot! :-). If
>> > you'd have said this time last year that we would have had a Leeds
>> player
>> > in the team, for him to be fundamental to the England style, and for
>> him to
>> > be one of England's best players, I would have said you were off your
>> > rocker!!
>> >
>> > I think England did really well. It would have been great to win it, but
>> > Italy were class, and frankly I think they deserved it. They were better
>> > than us. However, as you said, we have a young team and a great
>> squad
>> > they will get better. Decent chance at next year's world cup? Can we
>> stand
>> > the heat?
>> > Cheers
>> > Alec
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 at 01:38, Richard Naef <
>> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I do feel for you guys who put the hard hours and days in when we were
>> >> shit and yet can't get tickets now.   Until KP got picked I was
>> ambivalent
>> >> about England to say the least, but even tho we lost, I'm proud of the
>> >> team, they are young and will improve!
>> >>
>> >> -Original Message-
>> >> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of
>> alan.edgar---
>> >> via Leedslist
>> >> Sent: 10 July 2021 15:44
>> >> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
>> >> Subject: Re: [LU] Leedslist Digest, Vol 133, Issue 3
>> >>
>> >> Dave wrote:
>> >>> KALVIN PHILLIPS of LEEDS UNITED is in the team
>> >>
>> >> A guy who less than a year ago was still playing Championship football,
>> >> but played for England before he played a single Premiership game, and
>> is
>> >> now seeing Rice getting hooked for Henderson while he plays the entire
>> >> match.
>> >>> PS Why were England not this good when I was a regular and had
>> vouchers
>> >> for various finals
>> >> As someone who has been to every Euro and WC since 1988 except 94 and
>> 02,
>> >> I can only share your feelings.Managed to get a ticket for the Germany
>> >> game, and was at the 1st semi, but the prices outside the ground for
>> the
>> >> 2nd semi were far too rich for my blood, and will have sky-rocketed by
>> >> Sunday.
>> >>> shit having to watch in the pub
>> >>
>> >> Not ideal, definitely - however I managed to blag my way into the
>> Novotel
>> >> on Wembley Way to watch it on the big screen.A great atmosphere,
>> especially
>> >> post-match when the bar stayed open til 3 and the hotel foyer til 5, so
>> >> will try again on Sunday in the hope that when I fail to get in again,
>> the
>> >> evening will take a similar course.
>> >> Al
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Re: [LU] New contract for Roberts till 2024

[Ian Murray]

Pretty much everything in life is a confidence thing.  I like Roberts  - he is 
obviously talented and has room to get better.  He is in the right place to do 
so.



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Thursday, 10 June 2021 12:31 AM
To: Robert Heath ; Wiggy 
Cc: leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] New contract for Roberts till 2024

He's said himself it’s a confidence thing, pity his first goal was so late in 
the season, hope the new contract and the goal set him up for next season.

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From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Robert Heath
Sent: 09 June 2021 16:29
To: Wiggy 
Cc: leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] New contract for Roberts till 2024

Good.

He has been annoying at times, but I think there might be a really good player 
in there trying to get out. I have a hunch that he is brilliant in training but 
has yet to reproduce that on the pitch.

He tries to be too clever sometimes, but I get the feeling that coaches have 
encouraged him to be like that.

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 4:08 PM Wiggy  wrote:

>
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> https://www.leedsunited.com/news/team-news/28226/tyler-roberts-signs-n
> ew-contract
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Re: [LU] Berra

[Ian Murray]

Love Berra.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Monday, 24 May 2021 8:49 PM
To: nat...@sky.com 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] Berra

You've taught you lad well Dave (or maybe it was partly due to that mysterious 
stranger you shared an away season ticket with back in the day) , excellent 
piece, get him to resend it to them!

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From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nattan--- via 
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Sent: 22 May 2021 15:51
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Berra


With Berardi leaving lufc after the game tomorrow it seems a good time to  copy 
and paste an article my son sent to the Square Ball ( they did not print it) - 
sums up Berras contribution to the Leeds cause

Cometh the hour, cometh the man. That’s always been true of Leeds United.


A glance through our history shows that even in a team game, we’ve always had 
players that distil what our club stands for at a moment in time. The yardstick 
by which we measure everyone else who pulls on the white shirt.

Billy Bremner’s “Side Before Self” mantra isn’t just a slogan. It epitomises 
the grit, effort and togetherness of Revie’s family. The words are immortal, 
like Bremner is immortal, like that whole, dwindling team will be forever 
immortal.

For Wilkinson’s driven professionalism, read Gordon Strachan. Simon Grayson’s 
all out attack with no thought to defence sounds a lot like Jermaine Beckford. 
Then there’s Colin’s hoofball distilled into the dour, dire Michael Brown, and 
Cellino’s entire half-arsed, egotistical era taking the form of Guissepe 
fucking Bellusci — a man convinced he knew better than a whole fanbase pointing 
out his painfully glaring mistakes.

And then there’s Gaetano Berardi.

No recent player has taken it upon himself to embody Leeds United as the team, 
the club, re-invents itself time and time again quite like Berardi.

Thrust him into the chaos of Hockaday, Milanic and Redfearn, and he’s a chaotic 
element. Violent, untrustworthy, borderline insane, yet still someone the fans 
are desperate to love.

Fast forward to Garry Monk, and Berra embodies The Group™. “Pontus Janson, Kyle 
Bartley. Luke Ayling and Berardi.” A player so intrinsically part of a greater 
collective that his first name is written out of the chants from the Kop. Under 
the Snake, Leeds came close, but were never ever going to be quite good enough. 
Not that anyone at Elland Road would admit that. Except for the one man who 
came out and demanded that the team replace him with a better left back.

We didn’t need a better left back. We needed a better manager.

We got one.

While Bielsa provided the brains, Kalvin the heart, and Pablo the wizardry that 
we needed to finally end sixteen long, tedious, terrible years, Berardi was the 
soul of the team. Committed. Driven. Uncompromising.

Want someone to train like a demon even when he’s not being picked? Berardi. 
Need someone to fill in at centre half? Berardi. Need someone to find a 
Centenary kit to raise funds and refurbish a hospital? Berardi.

Looking for a neat summation of just how much we lost the plot that night 
against Derby? Well. Look no further.

Marcelo Bielsa took League One Liam, the only academy midfielder we couldn’t 
cash in on, the world’s most unloved nomadic striker, and a rag-tag collection 
of also-rans and never-weres and moulded them into Champions. A team defined by 
unwavering commitment and professionalism. The willingness to go the extra 
yard, both when it mattered and when it didn’t.

It’s fitting that what could be Berardi’s last game in a Leeds shirt didn’t 
matter. We were up. We were Champions. We were a combination of half pissed and 
fully hungover. And he still gave it his all, paying the price to the tune of 
one career-threatening knee injury. Bielsa’s approach demands nothing less.

For the Premier League, Leeds will need another man to step up and take the 
mantle. To embody a club with ambitions — replacing delusions for the first 
time in 16 years — of grandeur. To stand toe to toe with the best and beat them.

But for one night, battered and bruised on the top of a bus, Gaetano Berardi 
was all of us for one last time. Sixteen years of suffering released in two 
simple, triumphant words.

How does it feel, Gaetano?

“FUCKING GREAT!”

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Re: [LU] Oh they've all gone quiet over there

[Ian Murray]

Bielsa proved with our defeat to Crawley that we are properly cursed in the cup.

Maybe the curse allows us to win it every 50 years or so.  In which case it's 
on next year

(I would also love it)


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Tim Whelan via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May 2021 4:31 AM
To: Richard Naef ; t...@3lv.uk ; 
e...@morrish.org 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Oh they've all gone quiet over there


I’d love us to have a proper go at FA Cup next season. It’s annoying that the 
way the draw went this season we could have got to the semi-final without 
having to play anyone higher than us in the league. Though obviously with the 
restrictions it wouldn’t have been the greatest season to get to Wembley. Maybe 
next year.
-- Original Message --
On  Tuesday, 11 May, 21 At 12:13, Richard Naef 
wrote:
I'm looking forward to a proper go at one or both of the cups next season, it's 
been so long since we had any interest in either cup after the early rounds.
-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of t...@3lv.uk
Sent: 11 May 2021 09:56
To: e...@morrish.org
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Oh they've all gone quiet over there
To me, the ONLY downside to this season (Apart from no fans of course) is 
simple; we've lost 4 times to the two most boring teams, scoring no goals in 
those 360 minutes.
The way Wolves and Brighton set up and play, isn't unattractive and is very 
much based on possession - But they both, ultimately, want to try and walk it 
into the net ala Barcelona under Pep. Against teams like this, we clearly 
struggle (Both will finish below us in the League). MB will, I'm sure, be aware 
of this and, hopefully address next season.
Genuinely not bothered about the drubbing at Old Trafford or MOST of the 
defeats this season, other than those 4. Those 12 points would have put us 5th, 
1 point behind Leicester!
Mind you, I (personally) don't want European football yet. If we did I think 
we'd suffer in the same way Wolves have done by overachieving a bit too soon, 
without having the ability to bolster the squad in preparation for the 'rigours 
of success'
Anyway, enough of my bollocks, off back to lurkdom! TTFN
StigOfTheMusingDump
>
>>
>>  Yes I would agree with that. But to point out poor performances from
>>  players is OK I think as long as it it is reasonable (in tone I
>>  mean.) Though TBH Michael Brown was effin shit
>>
>
>  I think it's actually quite rare - this season at least - to be able
>  to spot an individually poor performance that cost us the match.
>  Meslier's fuckups at Arsenal (which he's not repeated), and Alioski
>
>  giving away the penalty against Brighton stand out*. But it's usually
>
>  been a collective issue - we've sat too deep and isolated Bamford, for
>  example; or Alioski and Harrison haven't combined well in attack.
>
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Re: [LU] The t-shirt

[Ian Murray]

Yeah agreed.

Klopp is a douche.  "You don't need to tell us about earning it, maybe you 
should tell yourselves".  That's the point, dickhead.  You're trying to lock us 
out (and you don't look like 'earning it' this year yourselves).  The idea that 
the reformed UCL will allow Liverpool to qualify on some co-efficient leaving 
the champions of countries like Holland/Poland to face a summer play off is 
ridiculous.

We should strike while the iron is hot and wind these reforms back, and move on 
club ownership too while we are at it.  If Real Madrid and Barcelona go bust, 
well, that's their luck out and their fault for paying players obscene amounts 
of money.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2021 10:08 PM
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] The t-shirt

Klopp had obviously completely lost the plot, his diatribe against Neville was 
non-sensical.  It was obvious at the back of it he was enraged by the actions 
of the stupid owners, but of course couldn't say as much, so lashed out at 
Leeds and Neville.

Henry's apology was pretty toe curling, but at least he made it - Scum's owners 
just forced Woodward to take a bullet.  As for Tuchel's "I trust the owner"  
"it's not our concern", what a wimp!, but then again critics of Roman tend to 
ends up in bits spread over Siberia, so understandable.


-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of John Lee via 
Leedslist
Sent: 21 April 2021 14:08
To: Ben Thorpe 
Cc: leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] The t-shirt

The t-shirt would have been the least of Klopp’s worries if there’d been fans 
in the ground :-)

Apparently the t-shirt was just the icing on the cake - they’d been into Leeds 
earlier and received a number of ‘greetings’ from the locals about the Splitter 
League - it seemed he didn’t like it. Just as well he didn’t come to Leeds in 
the 70/80s ;-)

I don’t think anyone will care what the views of the Splitter 6 are for quite 
some time. I saw John Henry giving some half-arsed apology earlier - looked 
like Grandpa Walton. Boy has his stock gone down on Merseyside.

I thought the official LUFC Tweet referring to them as Merseyside Reds was 
genius!



> On 21 Apr 2021, at 13:01, Ben Thorpe  wrote:
>
> Thought it was a great wind up myself. Nobody would have given a crap about a 
> little prank like that backfiring with what they were up to.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of James A. 
> Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist
> Sent: 21 April 2021 12:05
> To: Leeds List 2010 
> Subject: [LU] The t-shirt
>
> That t-shirt was a risky move.
> Yes, we drew, but if we lost, it would have been used as a rod to beat us 
> with.  Hard to believe that Bielsa was happy doing this due to the risks 
> inherent in the move.  Was he overruled?  It distracted the team from the job 
> at hand: beating the Merseyside Reds etc.
> Liverpool are right to be annoyed with them being left in their dressingroom 
> afterwards.  What would they have done with it if they had won the game?
> Put the shoe on the other foot - how would we have felt with a cheap move 
> like that?
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Re: [LU] VAR for offside

[Ian Murray]

Agreed completely.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Ed Morrish 

Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2020 2:41 AM
To: guy.thorn...@inter.nl.net 
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Subject: Re: [LU] VAR for offside

I feel like the footballing authorities have missed out on a crucial element of 
how video reviews work in cricket: umpire’s call. In cricket, you have to be 
100% the umpire got it wrong, not 1% sure they weren’t right. If Bamford’s goal 
had been disallowed by the ref, the video would have upheld that; if it had 
been allowed, it would also have been upheld - it’s clearly a grey area, so let 
the ref do his job.

(I also think there should be one review per team per half, which you lose if 
you challenge incorrectly.)

Ed.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Nov 2020, at 17:46, Guy Thornton  wrote:
>
> Oh mighty King of Tonga, I agree with you and I did say I didn't blame the 
> ref who was 'only following
> orders'.
> Okay, he was following the latest interpretation of those who must be obeyed 
> on on deciding what is
> and what is not offside with VAR. Whether it was Lineker and friends who 
> helped get the new
> interpretation I don't know but something needs to be done to sort this out. 
> I'm not against VAR, a
> contaire, but there's been some mighty silly decisions made. Forget who it 
> was but I remember a
> player with his back to the one kicking the ball, arm by his side but the 
> ball hit it and wham, a foul.
> On offside what happened to being in an offside potion but not interfering 
> with play?
> guy
>
>
>
> On 10 Nov 2020 at 17:06, Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) wrote:
>
> I'm actually pro VAR, but just can't believe what a pigs ear the officials 
> make of applying it.  Firstly they
> don't have to use the lines.  They are not used in Rugby replays to determine 
> forward passes.
>
> If they must use the lines then Offside is offside, whether by a foot or a 
> yard (Or a few millimetres).
> The forward already gets the advantage that he can be level (if that is even 
> possible anymore).
>
> The idea that a player's arm can put them offside is patently ridiculous.  
> But it is not VAR's fault.
> Part of the fault is with Lineker and his chums who moaned about handballs 
> being given when the ball
> hit the arm.
>
> The unintended consequence of reducing the handball to the T Shirt line as 
> they call it was that a goal
> can now be scored with that part of the arm which therefore now qualifies for 
> offside. Surely the arm
> should ignored for offside decisions.
>
> It will be interesting to see what happens when a player uses the INSIDE of 
> the upper arm to
> deliberately control the ball, or actually knock it into the net.  My bet is 
> they will change the
> interpretation again.  Bamford and Leeds were very unlucky to be the first to 
> be caught by this, but the
> law was correctly interpreted as it stands.
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[LU] Remember a few years ago when we were desperate to sign Gary Hooper?

[Ian Murray]

He just scored for Wellington Phoenix against Perth in the A-League.   What a 
fall from grace.


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Re: [LU] We've won a cup.

[Ian Murray]

Take with a pinch of salt but a mate of mine is principal of a school - on his 
board of governors is someone he says is a board member of the Leeds United 
foundation.  He reckons he has been told that Bielsa will be leaving and that 
we have Pochettino lined up to replace him.

Also John Stones to replace Ben White.

Both are fairly obvious so obviously easy to make up.

I

PS Thanks for the picture you framed for my daughter pre Covid!





From: Leedslist  on behalf of Bitches Brew 

Sent: Wednesday, 22 July 2020 5:22 PM
To: Richard Naef 
Cc: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
Subject: Re: [LU] We've won a cup.

  Or 4:45am over here in WA


> On 22 Jul 2020, at 5:19 pm, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
>
> The presentation of the trophy is after 945pm. On lufc twitter, Facebook and 
> LUTV.
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Re: [LU] And then there were three...

[Ian Murray]

There's only been 3 for a while - Fulham had only a very outside chance.

I have a feeling PNE could do us a massive favour tonight.  Brentford can't 
keep winning.  I'd be ecstatic if they could pull off a draw.   If that happens 
and we win tomorrow, we are promoted.  Fuck!!!

I


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Sent: Wednesday, 15 July 2020 1:57 AM
To: Leeds leedslist 
Subject: [LU] And then there were three...



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Re: [LU] Norwich...

[Ian Murray]

To be fair to Norwich, they havent gambled their future like Villa (they are 
really in the shit when the go down - though given FFP doesn't seem to apply 
anymore maybe not), so I can't imagine any great imperative for them to sell 
their big players other than those players wanting to leave.

It would be good to take their best players though.  They have taken enough of 
ours in the last 10 years.




From: Leedslist  on behalf of Graham Longbottom 

Sent: Monday, 13 July 2020 10:06 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk 
Cc: Leeds List 2010 ; James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! 

Subject: Re: [LU] Norwich...

You'd like to think that Bielsa could work his magic (that of getting the
best out of every player no matter where they start from) on Teemu Pukki as
well.
He looked great at the beginning of the prem season, but couldn't hit a
barn door now.
Surely he'll be available from Norwich soon...

Graham/ flinging



On Mon, 13 Jul 2020, 14:53 John Lee via Leedslist, 
wrote:

> That’s quite an interesting piece, and of course we can probably all see
> the parallels with the way Leeds play. Without counting any chickens, the
> way we lose/give away possession in our own half appears to be something
> that will need addressing pdq, given the clinical nature of Premiership
> strikers. That said, I very much doubt it’s something Bielsa hasn’t
> considered.
>
> Given our games have more intensity than Norwich last year, and certainly
> this, the way we play gives other teams plenty to think about.
>
> I wonder if Bielsa has transfer targets in mind? I’d like to think we’ll
> get some quality new blood, BUT I can also see Bielsa going with what we
> have too, which will be, erm, interesting!!? Keeping White, and getting
> someone like Buendia would be good.
>
> Anyway, plenty of time for all that speculation - let’s beat Barnsley
> first!
>
> MOT
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 13 Jul 2020, at 11:55, James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! via Leedslist <
> leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:
> >
> >
> https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2020/jul/13/norwich-slick-technique-fools-gold-premier-league-relegation-daniel-farke
> >
> > When Norwich beat Manchester City 3-2 last September, the Canaries
> released a piece of content that went viral. A video featuring clips of the
> team playing their way out from the back, under intense pressure, with
> sharp angled passes and dextrous movement was watched more than six million
> times. The caption read: “Beating the press by sticking to our philosophy.”
> >
> > Since the restart Southampton and Arsenal have pressed Norwich’s
> backline into goal-conceding errors. Brighton have capitalised on misplaced
> passes to do the same. Simple goals from crosses, meanwhile – a weakness
> exploited by Sergio Agüero even on that summer’s evening in Carrow Road –
> have been plundered by Everton, Watford and, finally, West Ham.
> >
> > Norwich have gone down ignominiously in the end, barely leaving an
> impression on a division where they couldn’t score goals and never looked
> like keeping them out. For the most part they looked as callow as Bambi on
> work experience at the Factory. Did Norwich fail to stick to their
> philosophy or was it shown to be fool’s gold?
> >
> > There are extenuating factors. Before the Manchester City match Daniel
> Farke had reeled off a list of fresh injuries that ran to 10 players. The
> treatment room never cleared up, even after lockdown. Ultimately Farke will
> have gone a whole season without a full complement of central defenders.
> and often the two that played were the two that were fit.
> >
> > Struggling to put a team out after City, Norwich began a run that would
> tally just one win in the next 16 league matches. Confidence fell visibly
> from week to week and when form improved over Christmas, slender leads
> against Tottenham and Crystal Palace were lost under pressure at the last.
> The team could never recover their spirit and again, even after lockdown,
> there has been little sign of the energy and vibrancy with which the team
> started the season.
> >
> > But maybe they were just worked out. After beating Guardiola’s men, the
> Canaries travelled to Turf Moor. Chris Wood scored a near-post header from
> a corner within 10 minutes. Four minutes later he scored after the
> right-back Max Aarons coughed up possession in his own third. Palace
> successfully deployed the same tactics at Selhurst Park the following week
> and the word was out: press the full-backs, play for set pieces and Norwich
> are in trouble.
> >
> > Those full-backs, Aarons and Jamal Lewis, are highly talented young
> players. But neither had played a minute of Premier League football before
> this season. Aarons had only 43 senior appearances full stop. Their numbers
> were reflective of a squad almost entirely without top-flight experience,
> and the amount they had to learn was another barrier the team failed to
> clear.
> >
> > Norwich chose not to bring in 

Re: [LU] Christmas 1995

[Ian Murray]

Couldnt get the lint to work. I assume this is when we beat Man Utd at Elland 
Road?  Was it the same year they knocked us out of the FA Cup (remember Yeboah 
scoring a scrappy goal).

I vividly remember being in bed with flu listening to the match as a 14 year 
old.  Great times, but also scary that it is now so long ago!


From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Boocock 

Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2020 5:39 AM
To: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Christmas 1995

Meanwhile in the fetid windmills of my mind Do comment on it please.

*http://boocock.net/christmas-eve-1995-a-day-to-remember/
*

Betty*
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Re: [LU] Fw: Season defining game?

[Ian Murray]

In Ireland lads is an androgynous term..


From: Leedslist  on behalf of nattan--- via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020 7:26 PM
To: leeds list 
Subject: [LU] Fw: Season defining game?



   - Forwarded message - From: nat...@sky.com To: John 
Boocock Sent: Saturday, 27 June 2020, 12:19:29 BSTSubject: 
Re: [LU] Season defining game?
  I meant the players who are all lads ( it was an exhortation to them)
On Saturday, 27 June 2020, 10:34:33 BST, John Boocock  
wrote:


On 27/06/2020 10:28, nattan--- via Leedslist wrote:
> So today is THE day lads


and er lasses?

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Re: [LU] Harrison

[Ian Murray]

Wallace v Spurs?



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Robert Heath 

Sent: Monday, 9 March 2020 11:25 PM
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Harrison

1. If that one that hit the post had gone in it would have been the best
individual goal at Elland Road since Eddie Gray v Burnley.

2. Am I right in thinking that Harrison has hit the woodwork in each of the
last 4 matches?
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Re: [LU] WhatsApp Group

[Ian Murray]

The invite link is invalid

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of john 

Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2019 12:47:25 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] WhatsApp Group

Thanks to Oystein we now have a leedslist WhatsApp group. You can join it 
at:https://chat.whatsapp.com/EsgUY4iIJz5Ens822bottCIt could be quite good for 
late own goals and stuff :-)Betty
 Original message From: Robert Heath  
Date: 30/12/2019  13:53  (GMT+00:00) To: Richard Naef 
 Cc: leeds list  
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum I was walking around Rome with family. I asked my son 
(who is never notglancing at his phone) to keep me abreast of events. 
Updateswere...2-1 up...they've equalised...it's 3-2 
now.Then we got to the station for our train and I said "It should be 
overnow"...let me check...it's 4-4! What?! Is it 
allover?errr, no it's about 5 mins into injury time - oh, 
we'vescored! It's 5-4! Great, who scored? Err..Harding. What?! Are 
yousure it was us who scored? Errr...Harding own goal!How do we stand 
it???!!!On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 10:09 AM Richard Naef 
 wrote:> I had to stop watching on pc just as 
brum scored  to make it  2-2 to pick> up a rental van, switched to mobile and 
just saw Bill score as I went into> the rental office, commiserate with arse 
fan behind the desk, turned it off> to fill in paperwork, saw it was 4-4 as I 
got in van very pissed off.> Didn't see the final result til I got to traffic 
light, but wasn't really> 100% sure as I didn't have my reading glasses on. 
Happy days.>> Sent from my Mobile.>> > From: 
Leedslist  on behalf of Tim Whelan> via Leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2019 11:31:10 PM> To: leeds 
list > Subject: Re: [LU] Brum>> While the game was on I 
was travelling back from spending Christmas week> with my mum, and once I was 
back I thought I might as well avoid the score> until I saw the highlights on 
Quest. Can you just imagine intensity of> having that roller-coaster condensed 
into a couple of minutes without> knowing the result?> I was sitting head in 
hands when the showed their very late equaliser to> make it 4-4, thinking we'd 
thrown it away again, then...hang on, they're> showing another Leeds attack...> 
On Sunday, 29 December 2019, 17:13:28 GMT, nat...@sky.com <> 
nat...@sky.com> wrote:>>  Still buzzing What a gameAll our faults on show - 
cant defend corners> crosses or set pieces but also all our strengths,  
resilience,  heart and> spirit and the ability to,find a way Tremendous game 
for excitement> Other results better then we could have hoped,  shock,defeat 
for west> brom, Sheffield wed, Preston and to an extent Bristol> Top of league 
at the end of the decade- according to a mate we have done> that every decade 
since the 80s ?> Dave>> Sent from Sky Yahoo Mail on Android> 
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Re: [LU] Last 5-4?

[Ian Murray]

I think the preston game is more like 10 years ago.

*gulp*

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of James A. Lundon @ 
Yahoo! Home via Leedslist 
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2019 5:06:22 AM
To: 'Torrey Gilday' 
Cc: 'LeedsList' 
Subject: Re: [LU] Last 5-4?

Torray,



Of course, April 1991.  Was that on telly as I have a vague recollection of
following it live on Irish TV at the time?



There was the infamous 6-4 against Preston, midweek 5 or 6 years ago, having
led 4-1 at some stage in the first half.



James.



  _

From: Torrey Gilday [mailto:gil...@ualberta.ca]
Sent: 29 December 2019 21:00
To: James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! Home
Cc: LeedsList
Subject: Re: [LU] Last 5-4?



The only other 5-4 scoreline I can see was a defeat to Liverpool in April
1991. But I am no stats expert!



There was also a 9 goal, 6-3 defeat to Plymouth Argyle in October 1987. A
7-2 defeat to Stoke in December 1986. A 6-3 victory over Grimsby in October
1948. A 6-3 defeat to WBA in October 1934. And a few others.







On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 1:30 PM James A. Lundon @ Yahoo! Home via Leedslist
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org> > wrote:

Fellow listers,



Any ideas?  I don't personally recall one in my lifetime (44 years and
counting) supporting LUFC.



A few 5-3s and 4-4s but no 5-4s!



Perhaps this is going to be our season...



HNY.



James (Galway White).

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Re: [LU] LUTV

[Ian Murray]

Yeah, the app is pretty garbage though I find.

I

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From: Nicholas Armit 
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2019 9:54:26 PM
To: leeds list ; Ian Murray 
Subject: Re: [LU] LUTV

About an hour beforehand I think.

I get that message when I use the app. Are you using the app?

Nick

On Saturday, December 21, 2019, 08:35:18 AM EST, Ian Murray 
 wrote:


Anyone else having problems? Ive bought a match pass for the game and the app 
is telling me "you don't have a valid subscription"?

Havent done it this season so far- does it come online just before the game?

Cheers

Ian

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[LU] LUTV

[Ian Murray]

Anyone else having problems? Ive bought a match pass for the game and the app 
is telling me "you don't have a valid subscription"?

Havent done it this season so far- does it come online just before the game?

Cheers

Ian

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Re: [LU] Cardiff

[Ian Murray]

Those weekends seem to happen to us with alarming regularity.

From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nick Allen 

Sent: Sunday, 15 December 2019 4:37 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Cardiff

That was absolutely mad, no idea where their goals came from. But don’t panic...

And some dreadful refereeing...we lost out on lots of small stuff but gained a 
penalty and sending off. Go figure.

One of those weekends.

Nick

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Re: [LU] Arse in the 3rd Round! : TV

[Ian Murray]

Just as everyone is back to work.
From: Leedslist  on behalf of t...@3lv.uk 

Sent: Friday, 6 December 2019 12:19 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: Re: [LU] Arse in the 3rd Round! : TV

Unsurprisingly, chosen for TV. Monday night, 6th Jan … The bizarre bit
is the Kick Off time

We can now confirm the game at the Emirates Stadium will take place on
Monday 6th January 2020 (7:56pm).
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Re: [LU] Arse in the 3rd Round!

[Ian Murray]

He definitely can't play.  Is it me or have we played Arsenal quite a bit since 
we came out of the Prem?

It will be interesting to see how we fare against them, because I am sure that 
Bielsa will play a full-strength team.



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Robert Heath 

Sent: Tuesday, 3 December 2019 7:52 PM
To: Ari-Pekka Mahlio 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Arse in the 3rd Round!

Bloody hell! FA Cup R3 was the one game he would have been guaranteed a
start, I would have thought.

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 12:51 PM Ari-Pekka Mahlio 
wrote:

> I read some where that no.
>
> ti 3. jouluk. 2019 klo 13.44 Robert Heath (heathpalai...@gmail.com)
> kirjoitti:
>
>> Will Eddie be allowed to play?
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 9:32 PM Richard Naef <
>> rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
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Re: [LU] Casilla and possible ban

[Ian Murray]

It will be 6 games.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of ejwalsh 

Sent: Sunday, 1 December 2019 7:34 PM
To: Michael Benjamin 
Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
Subject: [LU] Casilla and possible ban

Casilla had until last Wednesday to respond to the charge and he has requested 
a personal hearing.

See below from Park Square Barristers in London.

Basically Casilla is screwed….

Minimum 6 match ban if lucky but being Leeds it is likely to be 60…..

The FA v Kiko CASILLA: A Lesson from John Terry (or at least his legal team)

LUFC goalkeeper Kiko Casilla is alleged to have racially abused Charlton 
Athletic forward Jonathan Leko during the Championship match between Charlton 
and Leeds on 28 September 2019.

Casilla has been charged by the FA with Misconduct pursuant to an aggravated 
breach of Rule E.3(1) of its Rules and Regulations. Casilla has denied the 
charge and requested a personal hearing, where evidence will be called and a 
Disciplinary Commission will determine the matter.

Regulatory Framework

The FA may act against a player in respect of Misconduct which includes a 
breach of Rule E3 of the Rules and Regulations of the FA.

Rule E3(1) states:

“A Participant shall at all times act in the best interests of the game and 
shall not act in any manner which is improper or brings the game into disrepute 
or use any one, or a combination of, violent conduct, serious foul play, 
threatening, abusive, indecent or insulting words or behaviour.”

Rule E3(2) states:

“A breach of Rule E3(1) is an “Aggravated Breach” where it includes a 
reference, whether express or implied, to any one or more of the following: 
ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, religion or belief, gender, gender 
reassignment, sexual orientation or disability.”

The applicable standard of proof is the civil standard on the balance of 
probabilities. This means that the safeguards available to an accused in 
criminal proceedings are not thought to be necessary in disciplinary 
proceedings such as these. This is an unhappy position for Casilla, as he faces 
the prospect of a ban and attendant damage to reputation following a possible 
conclusion that he ‘probably’ racially abused another player.

Procedure

Casilla was charged with Misconduct by the FA on 4 November 2019 and, as is his 
right, requested a Personal Hearing the same day.

He now awaits notification of a Personal Hearing, where evidence will be called 
before a Disciplinary Commission (likely made up of three members). The 
evidence called will likely comprise that of Mr Leko, camera footage of the 
game and where necessary a lip-reading expert, the referee’s match report, 
Casilla’s own evidence and any character references.

The Commission will consider all the evidence and make a finding as to whether 
or not the case against Casilla is proved. If the charge is found not proved, 
any record of it will be expunged; if it is proved, the panel will consider the 
appropriate sanction.

Sanction

Should the charge be found proved, Casilla would face a minimum ban of 6 
matches. The approach to determining the correct sanction is similar to that 
adopted by a sentencing judge in criminal cases: aggravating and mitigating 
factors are taken into account in a balancing exercise. As this is an 
aggravated breach, the ban imposed must be for not fewer than 6 matches. There 
would also be a fine, indexed to the player’s salary (for reference, John Terry 
was fined £220,000 following a contested hearing regarding his racist abuse of 
Anton Ferdinand in 2011), and Casilla would be required to undergo a training 
course.

Factors for consideration include: (i) Casilla’s previous disciplinary record; 
(ii) whether or not this was calculated and vindictive or said in the heat of 
the moment; (iii) character references; (iv) the personal impact on Mr Leko.

No doubt the current climate of zero tolerance towards racism will be the 
prevailing factor in the minds of the Commission, along with the need to send a 
clear message (i) to perpetrators of racist abuse, that it is deplored in the 
greatest terms, and (ii) to victims, that their suffering as a result of such 
instances is recognised.

Criminal investigation

In the case of John Terry (found to have racially abused Anton Ferdinand in 
2011), there was a significant delay before the Regulatory Commission concluded 
the case. This is because the hearing was delayed pending the outcome of the 
criminal trial.

Mr Terry was charged with a racially aggravated offence contrary to section 5 
of the Public Order Act 1986: using threatening, abusive or insulting words or 
behaviour to cause harassment, alarm or distress. It was agreed that Mr Terry 
had used words which on their face were a racist slur. The issue was whether 
(i) he used them to insult Mr Ferdinand or (ii) whether instead he was 
repeating them as a question, thinking Mr Ferdinand had wrongly accused Mr 
Terry of using those words and 

Re: [LU] Top of the League

[Ian Murray]

Agreed.  I think we will go up this year (though I thought the same last year 
to be honest).

MOT


From: Jeremy Adams 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2019 11:17 AM
To: Ian Murray ; leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) 
; Richard Naef ; 
Nicholas Armit 
Subject: Re: [LU] Top of the League

I think last season we never expected to be where we were but this year we all 
secretly expect us to be in the top 2.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Ian Murray 

Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2019 9:34 PM
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 
; Nicholas Armit 
Subject: Re: [LU] Top of the League

Funnily enough we're better off this year than last, though for some reason it 
feels like we should be worse off.

Maybe the Bielsa buzz and weird feeling that we were actually good made us 
unable to see some shortcomings.  Now, we know we are good and take a lot of 
our success for granted.



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2019 8:11 AM
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 

Subject: Re: [LU] Top of the League

Isn't that where we were last Christmas?
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019, 06:57:48 PM EST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:


Baggies next 3 games are against top 6 teams, ours are against bottom half.  
Could be 10 points ahead of them by xmas- LOL
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Re: [LU] Top of the League

[Ian Murray]

Funnily enough we're better off this year than last, though for some reason it 
feels like we should be worse off.

Maybe the Bielsa buzz and weird feeling that we were actually good made us 
unable to see some shortcomings.  Now, we know we are good and take a lot of 
our success for granted.



From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nicholas Armit via 
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Sent: Wednesday, 27 November 2019 8:11 AM
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org) ; Richard Naef 

Subject: Re: [LU] Top of the League

Isn't that where we were last Christmas?
On Tuesday, November 26, 2019, 06:57:48 PM EST, Richard Naef 
 wrote:


Baggies next 3 games are against top 6 teams, ours are against bottom half.  
Could be 10 points ahead of them by xmas- LOL
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Re: [LU] Eddie

[Ian Murray]

I had one as a kid.  Came on during a early Sunday evening showing of 'memphis 
belle'.  Havent watched it since.

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Sent: Wednesday, 6 November 2019 10:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [LU] Eddie

twisted knacker even.
Sounds bleeding painful.
On Wednesday, 6 November 2019, 14:03:45 GMT, Richard Walker via Leedslist 
 wrote:

 Looks like Eddie could be out for a few weeks - twister knacker.

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Re: [LU] Times Article

[Ian Murray]

Nah

Look Qatar/Dubai/Abu Dhabi/Iran/Saudi whatever, they are always going to be 
morally dubious whether they own Leeds or not.  Slightly fatalistic but we 
can't change it, so if they want to spunk some of their ill gotten gains making 
us champions of England/Europe then I for one am all for it.Think of the 
joy it will bring to our fans and the despair it will heap on our rivals.   It 
would be fucking brilliant.

To be honest, I couldn't give a monkeys about credit from fans of lesser teams 
or know-nothing journos.  We've never had any, anyway.

MOT


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Matt Anderson 

Sent: Monday, 14 October 2019 11:53 PM
To: Andy Brown 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Times Article

I think I would still rather be shit than have Qatari investment. No one gives 
Man City any credit for where they are.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Oct 2019, at 16:46, Andy Brown  wrote:
>
> IZZANI INTERVIEW
> Andrea Radrizzani: New Qatar investor ‘can get Leeds up to level of Man City’
>
> Andrea Radrizzani tells Martyn Ziegler that he is considering three offers 
> for stake in club
>
> Martyn Ziegler, Chief Sports Reporter
> October 14 2019, 12:01am, The Times
>
> Radrizzani insists that whatever happens at Leeds he wants to remain involved
> DANIEL HAMBURY/PA
> Share
> Save
>
> Leeds United celebrate 100 years of existence this week and at this pivotal 
> moment their owner has revealed he is considering an offer from Qatar to take 
> the club to a level where they could “compete with Manchester City”.
>
> The biggest sleeping giant in English football has already stirred. If Andrea 
> Radrizzani, their owner, goes through with the sale of a stake in the club to 
> Qatari Sports Investment (QSI) or two other rich investors then it could be 
> time to write a new chapter in the giant’s fairytale.
>
> “I’m giving you more information than I ever gave to anyone,” says 
> Radrizzani, over coffee in a Leeds hotel. The Italian says he views himself 
> as a custodian of the club, and that bringing in a big investor would help to 
> achieve his vision of taking Leeds to the very top of the beanstalk.
>
> Qatar looks to be in pole position — QSI is run by Nasser al-Khelaifi, the 
> president of Paris Saint-Germain, and a close friend from when Radrizzani’s 
> previous firm, MP & Silva, was selling football TV rights and Khelaifi was 
> buying them for beIN Sport. He will not reveal the identities of the other 
> two under consideration, other than to say that one is a hugely wealthy Leeds 
> fan based in the United States and the other the owner of an unidentified 
> Italian club.
>
> “I have been approached by more than 20 parties and I have selected these 
> three,” Radrizzani says.
>
>
> “The option of Qatar Sports Investment and Nasser — first of all they are 
> friends, we have had a good relationship for a long time. Secondly, they have 
> the possibility to bring this club to compete with Manchester City, so for 
> the fans that could be a fantastic opportunity.
>
> “The second is based in America, he’s a big fan of Leeds United since he was 
> a child, and I like that.
>
> “Another one is the owner of an Italian club. With another club you can 
> create synergy to be more competitive and to target the Premier League — we 
> could maybe get a loan to increase the quality of the team.”
>
> Radrizzani, who bought Leeds in instalments of £20 million in December 2016 
> and £25 million in May 2017, does not rule out selling a majority stake but 
> insists that whatever happens he wants to remain involved.
>
> “The most important thing for me is to make this club big again,” he says. 
> “When I will open the door to others I don’t know, hopefully when we are in 
> the Premier League. The financial support would be more important in the 
> Premier League.
>
> “When it will be done, it doesn’t matter which share [I have], it matters 
> that I can continue my project and also have the support to build this club 
> back again.
>
>
> Radrizzani said Bielsa’s rigorous methods were just what were needed to sort 
> Leeds out
> ARRON GENT/JMP/REX
> “L’appetito vien mangiando, as we say in Italy — appetite comes while you are 
> eating. I don’t need to sell but it is important to listen because I always 
> remember I am a custodian of the club. If it was my own business I would 
> treat it a bit differently.”
>
> Many figures from Leeds’s past, including from the glory days of the 1970s, 
> will be invited back to Elland Road to celebrate the centenary on Saturday, 
> when Birmingham City visit. Talk of the 1970s prompts Radrizzani to say 
> “Dirty Leeds!” before adding: “We try to clean up the image of the club and I 
> think that’s the right approach for the next generation. At the same time we 
> need to keep the graft and passion of that team.”
>
> There have been mighty changes at Leeds in the 2½ years since he took full 
> control. He bought the stadium back in 2017, 13 

Re: [LU] Times Article

[Ian Murray]

Relatively speaking mate, we are.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2019 12:47 AM
To: Andy Brown ; Matt Anderson 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Times Article

But we are not shit.
On Monday, October 14, 2019, 11:55:02 AM EDT, Matt Anderson 
 wrote:

 I think I would still rather be shit than have Qatari investment. No one gives 
Man City any credit for where they are.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Oct 2019, at 16:46, Andy Brown  wrote:
>
> IZZANI INTERVIEW
> Andrea Radrizzani: New Qatar investor ‘can get Leeds up to level of Man City’
>
> Andrea Radrizzani tells Martyn Ziegler that he is considering three offers 
> for stake in club
>
> Martyn Ziegler, Chief Sports Reporter
> October 14 2019, 12:01am, The Times
>
> Radrizzani insists that whatever happens at Leeds he wants to remain involved
> DANIEL HAMBURY/PA
> Share
> Save
>
> Leeds United celebrate 100 years of existence this week and at this pivotal 
> moment their owner has revealed he is considering an offer from Qatar to take 
> the club to a level where they could “compete with Manchester City”.
>
> The biggest sleeping giant in English football has already stirred. If Andrea 
> Radrizzani, their owner, goes through with the sale of a stake in the club to 
> Qatari Sports Investment (QSI) or two other rich investors then it could be 
> time to write a new chapter in the giant’s fairytale.
>
> “I’m giving you more information than I ever gave to anyone,” says 
> Radrizzani, over coffee in a Leeds hotel. The Italian says he views himself 
> as a custodian of the club, and that bringing in a big investor would help to 
> achieve his vision of taking Leeds to the very top of the beanstalk.
>
> Qatar looks to be in pole position — QSI is run by Nasser al-Khelaifi, the 
> president of Paris Saint-Germain, and a close friend from when Radrizzani’s 
> previous firm, MP & Silva, was selling football TV rights and Khelaifi was 
> buying them for beIN Sport. He will not reveal the identities of the other 
> two under consideration, other than to say that one is a hugely wealthy Leeds 
> fan based in the United States and the other the owner of an unidentified 
> Italian club.
>
> “I have been approached by more than 20 parties and I have selected these 
> three,” Radrizzani says.
>
>
> “The option of Qatar Sports Investment and Nasser — first of all they are 
> friends, we have had a good relationship for a long time. Secondly, they have 
> the possibility to bring this club to compete with Manchester City, so for 
> the fans that could be a fantastic opportunity.
>
> “The second is based in America, he’s a big fan of Leeds United since he was 
> a child, and I like that.
>
> “Another one is the owner of an Italian club. With another club you can 
> create synergy to be more competitive and to target the Premier League — we 
> could maybe get a loan to increase the quality of the team.”
>
> Radrizzani, who bought Leeds in instalments of £20 million in December 2016 
> and £25 million in May 2017, does not rule out selling a majority stake but 
> insists that whatever happens he wants to remain involved.
>
> “The most important thing for me is to make this club big again,” he says. 
> “When I will open the door to others I don’t know, hopefully when we are in 
> the Premier League. The financial support would be more important in the 
> Premier League.
>
> “When it will be done, it doesn’t matter which share [I have], it matters 
> that I can continue my project and also have the support to build this club 
> back again.
>
>
> Radrizzani said Bielsa’s rigorous methods were just what were needed to sort 
> Leeds out
> ARRON GENT/JMP/REX
> “L’appetito vien mangiando, as we say in Italy — appetite comes while you are 
> eating. I don’t need to sell but it is important to listen because I always 
> remember I am a custodian of the club. If it was my own business I would 
> treat it a bit differently.”
>
> Many figures from Leeds’s past, including from the glory days of the 1970s, 
> will be invited back to Elland Road to celebrate the centenary on Saturday, 
> when Birmingham City visit. Talk of the 1970s prompts Radrizzani to say 
> “Dirty Leeds!” before adding: “We try to clean up the image of the club and I 
> think that’s the right approach for the next generation. At the same time we 
> need to keep the graft and passion of that team.”
>
> There have been mighty changes at Leeds in the 2½ years since he took full 
> control. He bought the stadium back in 2017, 13 years after it had been sold 
> to reduce debt, and the next step is a new training base and academy, a 
> stone’s throw from Elland Road. In 2017, there were only two academy players 
> playing for national teams at youth level; now there are 14.
>
> Appointing Marcelo Bielsa, the talismanic Argentine manager — and persuading 
> him to stay after promotion proved elusive — was also a declaration of 

Re: [LU] Play off final

[Ian Murray]

It's ok Dave. We're gonna be richer than man city soon.

Fuck em all.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of nat...@sky.com 

Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 8:24:11 PM
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Play off final

No intention at all of watching it but would love to read headlines  tomorrow 
and see that Villa got a goal whilst a Derby player was lying down injured, and 
then Villa get a penalty given by the ref and then overruled by the linesman
Then love to hear the comments of the two hypocritical whinging managers 
explaining why Villa did not let Derby score and then why it is only the lino 
doing his job getting the ref to change his mind !!
5th v 6th just shows how unfair the play offs are (albeit very exciting both in 
themselves and for keeping the season alive for a mid table team) and I have 
commented more than once about the awarding of a trophy and the pre match 
hullabaloo that treats it as some sort of cup final - load of bollocks
Bitter, dead right
Dave
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Re: [LU] First half

[Ian Murray]

Dunno man I'm watching the game through a massive haze of anxiety. Hard to tell 
but we are getting on top for the most part and I'd rather have our problems 
than theirs.

We're obviously better than them but as you say where and how do we actually 
score?

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 1:08:02 AM
To: leeds list (leedslist@gn.apc.org)
Subject: [LU] First half

Happy with that so far but my main worry is that I don’t know where our goal is 
coming from?

Very happy with Roofe’s movement and happy to see Shackleton on.

Disappointments are Philips who looks pedestrian at times and gives away silly 
free kicks.

And Hernandez’s passing at times is shocking. I know I bang on about this but 
how can such a talented player misplace easy passes as frequently he does ? 
It’s criminal at times.

The main point though is how shit Derby look, they’ve got a couple of runners 
in Holmesand Lawrence but as a team they look clueless. Tempting fate I know.

Fucking hard work these play offs.



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Re: [LU] Wilder

[Ian Murray]

What did he do? I thought he was decent this year.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Nicholas Armit via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2019 1:29:25 AM
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] Wilder

Congratulations to Sheff Utd but their manager is a fucking disgrace. Go up 
with some grace and dignity you c$nt. Hope they get destroyed next year.
Nick
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Re: [LU] Context

[Ian Murray]

Actually no Im not over it. It's so fucking sad. I feel sorry for Bielsa more 
than myself. I love the dude.

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From: errand.fivefold 
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2019 10:23:16 AM
To: Ian Murray; Michael Benjamin; Nick Allen; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Context

There you go. It's the hope that kills you!
It's Leeds United We Will Fuck it up!
Guaranteed.

Best wishes,


Verner



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 Original message 
From: Ian Murray 
Date: 28/04/2019 02:10 (GMT+00:00)
To: Michael Benjamin , Nick Allen , 
leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Context

I think I am over the crushing disappointment of our inevitable failure to get 
promoted automatically.  We can win the playoffs.  Fuck me we are due a playoff 
win aren't we?


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Michael Benjamin 

Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 2:35 AM
To: Nick Allen; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Context

And next year even better.
From the outset they said two years. Next years team will consist of those 
Bielsa keeps, those he brings through and those he buys.
It took Don two years to make the legend begin, so did Red nose in another 
place.
I believe in Bielsa & that we are a work in progress.
Keep the faith.


-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nick Allen
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 9:25 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Context

This has been our best season for something like 15 years.

Nick

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Re: [LU] Context

[Ian Murray]

I think I am over the crushing disappointment of our inevitable failure to get 
promoted automatically.  We can win the playoffs.  Fuck me we are due a playoff 
win aren't we?


From: Leedslist  on behalf of Michael Benjamin 

Sent: Sunday, 28 April 2019 2:35 AM
To: Nick Allen; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Context

And next year even better.
From the outset they said two years. Next years team will consist of those 
Bielsa keeps, those he brings through and those he buys.
It took Don two years to make the legend begin, so did Red nose in another 
place.
I believe in Bielsa & that we are a work in progress.
Keep the faith.


-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Nick Allen
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2019 9:25 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Context

This has been our best season for something like 15 years.

Nick

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Re: [LU] Now what

[Ian Murray]

Let's face it - it's the playoffs barring some miracle.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2019 7:29:39 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk; Robert Heath
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Now what

Roofe looked totally out of his depth in both games when he came on.
On Tuesday, 23 April 2019, 11:56:10 BST, Robert Heath 
 wrote:

 If I know Bielsa, he will just keep on pushing out basically the same XI
with basically the same plan. I think he believes that 1. It is the best
way, and 2. The more they do it the better they will get at it. Sadly, the
evidence of the last two games is that the thing needs shaking up somehow.
I would be tempted to throw Edmondson in up front, at least in these last
two league games. Bielsa himself has said that we are and have been doing
everything right except putting the ball in the net, and that lad seems to
be a finisher if nowt else. I also think Dallas, with his experience of
international football, may be (and looked last night) more suitable to
these squeaky bum games. Poor Jack Clarke looked overwhelmed by the
pressure, but is it worth giving Shackleton a game?

But as I said, I don't think Bielsa will do much. He might start Roofe in
place of Bamford but that might be it.

But anyway, what do I know?

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 11:40 AM John Lee via Leedslist <
leedslist@gn.apc.org> wrote:

> Yep, quite correct re Saiz - he wanted to go. The first 10 games or so
> were a revelation, but players soon learnt how to play him, although at
> times we’ve really missed the spark he produced.
>
> As for Casillas - he seems like a bit of a big-time charlie to me, but
> he’s a bloody liability - it’s alright having jokers in your team, but not
> in goal! Scares me to death every time he controls it and starts to dribble!
>
> The question for me is, IF Bielsa stays, and I really hope he does, has he
> made enough notes about the sort of players he’s seen who will make our
> team better ready for another crack at promotion next year. Now don’t start
> moaning that I’m not a Leeds fan because that’s my view - I just don’t see
> the current first team winning 3 cup finals! And if they do, then what? How
> many of our first XI will be in a Premiership team? Hard to see any
> definites. Anyway, that’s probably irrelevent - we need 5/6 new players -
> not squad players, but first teamers, just to compete in the championship!
> Two solid centre backs, a creator supreme, and 2 decent forwards.
>
> At the start of the season almost every commentator, without exception,
> said Leeds could not keep up the same pace all season - really galling to
> discover that is true so close to proving them wrong, but there we are.
>
> I wonder if our tactics will be the same in the playoffs?
>
> John
> Still depressed!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On 23 Apr 2019, at 10:13, Richard Naef 
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, we didn't get rid, he insisted on leaving, no point in having an
> unhappy player.  As for not replacing him, the list of affordable January
> signings of his calibre was?
> >
> > Not a dig at you, but Fans always think there is a simple solution, but
> often it's more complex, has Kiko been a roaring success of would we have
> been better keeping faith with BPF?  We'll never know, but the RM 3rd
> choice keeper doesn't fil me with confidence.
> >
> > ttfn
> >
> > Richard
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of Graham Farr
> > Sent: 22 April 2019 21:57
> > To: Leeds List 
> > Subject: [LU] Now what
> >
> > I said a few weeks ago we got rid of Saiz in January and did not replace
> him. We were on fire early season with him Pablo Alioski all at it. I
> really think we should go with some of the Under 23s for the play offs just
> for the surprise factor. Kids have no fear. How Ayling keeps his place
> ahead of Shack hope the lad does not ask for a transfer.
> >
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Re: [LU] First thing on next training session....

[Ian Murray]

Is this what you apologised for Rich? No worries, we all get it. I think we 
need to deal with climate change but those people are very annoying.

I haven't really been able to process this result yet and I don't think I can 
bring myself to think about it. This is going to the last day boys and girls. 
Its never easy with us is it?

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2019 4:01:31 PM
To: David Smail
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] First thing on next training session

I apologise for my climate change comment - I was in a pub feeling very 
distressed and pissed and they were showing these idiots dancing around on the 
news.

As for the match I thought the subs were wrong. Roofe was trying too hard and 
Clarke just hasn’t had enough minutes although he did ok.

They had pace to burn up front and we just couldn’t live with it.

Still not over though


> On 20 Apr 2019, at 06:58, David Smail  wrote:
>
> "When you analyse, you describe the game, but I don't want to do that,
> because there is no explanation for a loss like this"
>
>
>
> So says MB after the game, but is that really the case?
>
>
>
> The explanation is simple to me. Sometimes teams in Wigan's position
> yesterday pack their defence and we hadn't the creativity, guile or
> intelligence to break them down.
>
> What's worse, is that we didn't change our plan or game, just kept banging
> away at the same old same old. It became embarrassing, and more so with
> Alioski's shocking contribution.  Wigan's defence must have grown in
> confidence as the game progressed as they could see we weren't able to get
> through them and weren't coming up with any variations or new ideas.
>
>
>
> MB, I suggest getting an academy 11 (or 10) to park the bus in a practise
> match and work on some alternative plans. This may well happen again in the
> next 3 games.
>
>
>
> On a positive note, it was good to see Roofe back with a few nice touches.
> Sadly he probably won't be back to full strength before the season's end.
>
>
>
> We all clearly don't fancy the play offs, but it could end up as that - on
> current positions, it would be Boro. What if they take the lead and park the
> bus
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [LU] Henry Winter in the TImes - "why the Prem need Leeds " - great stuff and true

[Ian Murray]

In summary, then, none of us have a fcking clue?

I personally think we will get exactly the 10 points we need.  However, the 
paragraph above continues to apply.


From: Leedslist  on behalf of nat...@sky.com 

Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2019 6:46 PM
To: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Henry Winter in the TImes - "why the Prem need Leeds " - 
great stuff and true

Yeah we need to make sure we do not blow it now
I keep going through all the possibilities in my mind "if they lose and we win" 
but  what "if they win and we draw" etc etc  - sometimes we get promoted with 
games to spare, others we lose out with games left - still others and it all 
comes down to goal difference and how many we can beat Ipswich by etc etc
Whilst it makes it exciting and much better than coming 15th and having 4 or 5 
games that count for nothing , F Me it is not half stressful !
Dave
On Tuesday, 16 April 2019, 11:06:32 BST, nick  
wrote:

   All lovely and everything but lets get the points on the board. Earn it
  rather than think we can ride in on some nostalgia magic carpet.

  PS Hernandez has been the best player in the league this season

  PPS Becchio..!! FFS!

On 16 April 2019 at 09:16 "[1]nat...@sky.com" <[2]nat...@sky.com>
wrote:
Why Premier League needs Leeds United
henry winter, chief football writer
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The Premier League needs Leeds United. It needs the mystique of
Marcelo Bielsa, a manager so beloved by Leeds fans that two of them
are in a recording studio working on Bucket Man as a musical tribute
to his match-day seat of choice. It needs Bielsa’s intense,
imaginative football. It particularly needs the passion of the Leeds
faithful.
There are some great travelling supports in the Premier League, such
as Manchester United and Newcastle United, among others, and Leeds
would be a welcome addition on the road as well as with the
atmosphere that they generate at Elland Road. After Leeds played
away to Preston North End on April 9, the police officer in charge
of the away section at Deepdale praised the 5,516 visiting fans for
being “as loud as ever and no issues, no arrests”.
Leeds fans would represent an antidote to some of the ills besetting
the Premier League. They are the opposite of the glory-hunters
swooning because of a club’s prominence. Leeds fans might consider a
half-and-half scarf if stitching together Leeds United and the
Kaizer Chiefs, Lucas Radebe’s old team. They are the antithesis of
what Roy Keane famously termed the “prawn-sandwich brigade”. If
somebody mentioned opening a tunnel club at Elland Road, the ready
wits on their terraces would suggest that it was probably an escape
route after 15 years’ incarceration in the EFL.
Supporting Leeds is a passion passed on from generation to
generation. When they played Sheffield Wednesday on Saturday, there
were children too young to remember the Premiership years leaning
excitedly over the yellow and blue railings almost two hours before
kick-off at Elland Road, high-fiving Bielsa and his players as they
marched from the bus.
Three hours later, a fan called Matt Richardson celebrated Jack
Harrison’s winner so enthusiastically that he broke his ankle. A
friend of his took a picture of Richardson in his seat afterwards,
smiling, his left foot at a painful angle, continuing to watching
Leeds before the medics arrived. As he was helped into a wheelchair,
Richardson kept an eye on the game while doing a thumbs up to his
mates, who took great delight when he was strapped in by shouting:
“Seatbelt on”.
Richardson later tweeted from hospital that “this is what supporting
Leeds United does to me” . . . “but idc [I don’t care] because Leeds
won”. Victory took Leeds to 82 points, four behind the leaders
Norwich City and three ahead of Sheffield United with four games to
play in the compelling race for the two automatic promotion
positions.
Leeds know they still have major work to complete. They also know
how much they want it. If Leeds do go up, the city will acquire even
more of a buzz, there will be more students switching there, and
there will be smiles among broadcasters, knowing that noise is
guaranteed at Elland Road.
After Leeds were relegated from the Premiership after a 4-1 thumping
by Bolton Wanderers on May 2, 2004, their then caretaker-manager
Eddie Gray remarked defiantly: “It will not be the end of the club.”
No chance. Not with thousands of Leeds fans singing louder and
louder in trying to lift vanquished players, including one of their
own, Alan Smith, who was in tears. And this is why Leeds United
survived. The fans. And that is why 13 days later, as they bade
farewell to the Premiership with defeat at Stamford Bridge, the
Leeds fans sang We’ll Meet Again.
Pablo 

Re: [LU] Sky B@@@@@s

[Ian Murray]

Agreed Dave. It's shocking how little cash the club gets and we are on Tele all 
the time. Bonus is it is 7pm in Perth and we will know how Norwich and Blades 
went on.

Big game today lads.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: Saturday, April 6, 2019 2:48:10 AM
To: nat...@sky.com
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Sky B@s

It’s ridiculous Dave.



> On 5 Apr 2019, at 14:08, "nat...@sky.com"  wrote:
>
> Now changed Villa game to Sunday 28th at 12 noon !Read that that was 22 games 
> on sky this season (not counting the red button midweek games !) yet we have 
> made around £750k from them in extra TV money
> Hate Sunday noon kick offs - kills the atmosphere, and this one even worse 
> since I am supposed to be taking part in St Georges Day parade with my cubs
> It may put a few off and make tickets a little bit easier to get for those on 
> here who need one but still crap
> Dave
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Re: [LU] Sheff U

[Ian Murray]

I don't think I'm ready yet to give my complete thoughts but during the game I 
said it had 1-0 blades written all over it. The red card of casilla was 
justified.

The game descended into farce and Bielsa looked very upset at the end.

Lots of points to play for and we knew that it wouldn't be easy. Still, can't 
escape the dark cloud of sadness about this disaster.

MOT

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2019 7:45:13 PM
To: Ted
Cc: leedslist
Subject: Re: [LU] Sheff U

Fair points Dave. Going to be a nail biting 2 months!

Re the Alioski song, it was written by a teacher at King James’s in 
Knaresborough - maybe that’s who you sit near? It is funny (first time)!

Read loads of moaning about yesterday from Leeds fans re Kiko (def a red card) 
- selective blindness. I did think Baldock could easily have had 2 yellows for 
his ‘looseners’, and Sharp’s sneakiness in standing on Pontus’s achilles and 
the backwards head but are all part of the little c*nts armoury - if it had 
been Ian
Baird doing it we’d have loved it. Glad he didn’t score though. Bamford got 
plenty of treatment early on, but I thought he was excellent in the first half.

Sheffield were reasonably organised, but we lost because we didn’t take the 
chances we created - just got to hope that teams they play going forward have 
better finishers than ours.

Why does Jansson constantly play the wounded soldier - is he knackered and 
looking for a rest mid game, or giving everyone else a rest? Not talking about 
his final knock, but before.

Hey ho, 8 games - anything could happen!

> On 17 Mar 2019, at 09:44, Ted  wrote:
>
> That about sums it up perfectly Dave.
>
> Got to say - results don't usually get to me (I don't go home and kick the
> dog etc) but that one has left me feeling really disappointed.
>
> Oh well, never say never, MOT.
>
>
>> On Sun, 17 Mar 2019, 09:14 nat...@sky.com,  wrote:
>>
>> Well now I know why they call them the Blades - they have put a dagger
>> right in our hearts and  stabbed us in the back with such a (according to
>> their own boss) 'smash and grab victory'
>> We were however, once again, our own worse enemy. The first 40mins was one
>> way traffic and we created 3 or 4 clear chances - chances that we should
>> have buried. Bamford missed the target, Harrison blasted over when he
>> should have scored, Roberts headed over when he should have scored. We had
>> other half chances and good pressure but it just did not go for us and they
>> defended like demons
>> They had a bit in the last 5 minutes with two corners that we struggled to
>> defend and then they had a break and the lad rounded Kiko who had come out
>> of his box  (an omen for later on) but then messed up
>> 2 or 3 up at half time and everything would have been rosy but our failure
>> to score even one meant that the second half became an absolute disaster
>> for us.
>> The weather got worse and worse and the pitch a bit stickier which did not
>> help our fast passing game. They dragged us more and more into a battle as
>> we failed to create anything of note. Then the series of 'difficulties'
>> first Bielsa made what most of us viewed as a bad substition when he
>> rightly took off Harrison but instead of giving CLarke the chance to run at
>> them he brought on the out of touch, out of form and off the pace,
>> Douglas.
>> Then  Cooper the lion of the season so far, a real hero, turned back into
>> League One Liam of last season and dithered , half slipped and failed to
>> clear so Sharpe got to the ball in front of him and passed to the unmarked
>> player who fell as he took his shot and this made it go right into the
>> corner of the net
>> Then Pontus made a great saving tackle but injured himself and became a
>> virtual passenger.
>> Then Kiko came flying out of goal again and fouled the Sheffield attacker
>> - red card (and no complaints from me) though I have not bothered watching
>> any of it again so who knows.
>> So in effect down to 9 fit men with Pontus in net - an injured Pontus who
>> had a great chance from close range to equalise but messed it up , as did
>> ROberts on the end of a great move after that but failed to get his shot off
>> We did try right to the end , even sending goalkeeping Pontus up for the
>> last  minute corner but in a way that summed up the day as ALioski put the
>> corner over everybody - poor decision and execution ,
>> I said pre match that this was not the defining moment of the season and a
>> defeat would not be fatal and I stand by that although it did feel at the
>> end as if we have really blown it. The maths is now simple we need to
>> either match them in every result from now on and then win the game they
>> lose or somehow get our goal difference better than theirs so that a draw
>> when they lose (which I am sure they will ) would be sufficient
>> We have games that are all 

Re: [LU] COME ON LEEDS !!!

[Ian Murray]

Love the early kick offs Dave cos I will be watching on a pub on Perth with an 
830pm kick off.

So nervous about this game.

MOT

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Michael Benjamin 

Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 4:38:53 PM
To: nat...@sky.com; Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] COME ON LEEDS !!!

Let's keep things in proportion. Winning or losing still means there are more 
than enough games to win or lose promotion for both teams.
With Bielsa,  I am a different kind of supporter. More believing in the team 
and his and their innate inabilities, and less in our fate. The reward will 
come- we belong in the PL, be it this year or next.
Moreover, I do not believe that MB will leave if we do not. Even so, the 
changes are irreversible, as are we.

Dr  Michael Benjamin,
Community Psychiatrist.

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|-Original Message-
|From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
|Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:24 AM
|To: Leeds List 
|Subject: [LU] COME ON LEEDS !!!
|
|I know that in reality this game will not decide our fate BUT ... it is 
the biggest game
|since probably Bristol Rovers promotion party We need the type of performance 
and
|atmosphere we had v West Brom (and result !)The early kick off will kill 
things a bit in
|the stands but I am getting an early start so I can have a couple of beers to 
loosen my
|vocal chords Staying for beers afterwards so any insightful (yeah, right) 
analysis in my
|match reports will be delayed So to finish, whether you are lucky enough to be 
at ER or
|watching or even following it on twitter and the like somewhere the other side 
of the
|globe, remember "WE ARE LEEDS"
|
|COME ON - GET INTO THEM
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Re: [LU] back on top

[Ian Murray]

Ah excellent may rewatch the game since it was overnight for me.

Come on Hull, make your first positive contribution to the world tonight.

I still feel like we can win this.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of David Nattan 

Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2019 3:11:19 PM
To: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
Cc: Leeds List 2010
Subject: Re: [LU] back on top

Yeah my Bamford comment was a bit tongue in cheek - like all of them he was 
excellent
We were on a sky sports channel not red button (sky arena?) that’s why we got 
replays and different angles etc
I think the reason for our “fatalism” is our history - lost in the last 9 (?) 
finals - so often 2nd not 1st in top division. Our teams over the years should 
have won much much more
Dave

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> On 12 Mar 2019, at 22:30, bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
>
> Even when we’re brilliant I’m still cacking myself - how do Leeds fans get 
> rid of this fatalistic streak?  First half we were unplayable, and my only 
> criticism is we didn’t get the 5/6 goals we absolutely deserved. Get a result 
> on Saturday and we’ll be in a great position, but I wish one of the other 
> contenders would lose a couple sharpish. Bamford was brilliant first half, 
> but tried too hard in the second. Looks like a proper footballer though!
>
> On a technical point, good to see Sky’s red button coverage show some in game 
> replays.
>
>
>
>> On 12 Mar 2019, at 22:14, David Nathan  wrote:
>>
>> That was impressive - apart from Bamfords 3 misses ! Win on Saturday and we 
>> have a 5 point gap and firmly in the driving seat, a defeat should not be 
>> fatal to us albeit it will be awful and hard to take. Roll on Saturday 12 
>> noon
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On 12 Mar 2019, at 22:11, Richard Naef  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ailing got 2 assists
>>> I think that Brown is dropping down the pecking  list – Shackleton is 
>>> coming in midfield, so unless Hernandez get injured we might not see him 
>>> start this season.
>>> We can let Bamford off one shit game a season 
>>> Still a long long way to go……squeaky bum time getting closer.  Whichever of 
>>> the top 3 blinks (Belinda) first will lose out…..
>>> Let’s stuff the blades.
>>>
>>> ttfn
>>>
>>> Richard
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Re: [LU] Millwall

[Ian Murray]

The Leeds website for lutv is almost unusable.

Needs a delete and start again.

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Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 8:14:51 PM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org; Wiggy
Subject: Re: [LU] Millwall

Yes I got on just after 9 and couldn't see the Millwall game but it eventually 
came on so I got tickets. Some week coming up.
On Monday, 11 March 2019, 12:10:54 GMT, Wiggy  
wrote:

 > Anyone know when Millwall tickets go on sale (30th March). Thought it might 
 > be this morning but can’t see anything.

It was 9am today, and was sold out by 11 apparently...

There were a lot of problems with the website - option to buy didn’t show for 
almost 10 minutes, seats selected and then disappearing (which bit me), reports 
of people hitting refresh and being out back into hour long queues etc. They 
really need to sort that out, as it’s only going to get worse...

Wiggy.
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Re: [LU] How...

[Ian Murray]

I'm right there with you Tim.

This is the championship though- 'easy games' can throw up bizarre results. 
Norwich got smashed away at PNE.

Obviously I want us to win the league but it's imperative we finish top 2.  And 
that's in our hands. We are capable of winning every single one of our 
remaining games.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Walker via 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 8:21:26 PM
To: Leeds List; Tim Leslie
Subject: Re: [LU] How...

I watched the Sheffield derby last night. Jeez it was poor. Awful conditions 
but it looked like two pretty clueless teams.
Sheff Utd dropped their best player (IMO) McGouldrick and replaced him with a 
plodder up front (Madine).
I think we will beat them at our place.
My worry is will we beat Bristol and Reading on the road.
On Tuesday, 5 March 2019, 10:34:59 GMT, Tim Leslie  wrote:

 They look like a team that we typically fall over to. Very well
organised, but nothing spectacular, but very capable of creating
chances.

Took a brief look at fixtures for the rest of the season, I have to say;
I think Norwich will be champions unless they go massively out of form,
their run in doesn't look particularly difficult. MOST of their
'potential banana skins' are at Home with a possible exception of Boro
away.

We've got some tough fixtures to come; Bristol Away, Sheff U week after!
Then Birmingham, Preston and Brentford away, all tough at their
respective places (Plus, as ever, the "Come on lads, this is Leeds"
factor!).

Sheff U have (I think) their make or break moment now; They've Brentford
a week today, then us, then Bristol City and after that Birmingham and
Preston away. Almost certainly, for both them and us, THE defining
moment.

Nerves shredded already!

StigOfTheWhyIsItNeverEasyDump


On 2019-03-05 02:14, Ian Murray wrote:
> Well we were pretty fortunate to beat them at Bramall Lane.
>
> If we beat them at ER it will be a massive step towards promotion.
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> Subject: [LU] How...
>
> are Sheffield Utd at the top? They are dross!
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Re: [LU] How...

[Ian Murray]

Well we were pretty fortunate to beat them at Bramall Lane.

If we beat them at ER it will be a massive step towards promotion.

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Re: [LU] WBA

[Ian Murray]

Couldn't agree more. We are all (mostly) Yorkshireman but fuck me if you can 
find something negative to say about that game and/or our current manager you 
should really stop being interested in Leeds and get into politics or something.

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From: Ted 
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 8:18:01 PM
To: Graham White
Cc: leedslist; David Nattan; Ian Murray
Subject: Re: [LU] WBA

"...got to look at the negatives"

Really After last night Come on Graham!

There's been so much negativity and doom & gloom this week (not by me!) - 
can't we just bask in last night's performance?!

Games like last night makes the years of turning up to watch below par footy 
all worthwhile. For me, it was a complete performance. Loved it!

Ted H.



On Sat, 2 Mar 2019, 11:38 Graham White via Leedslist, 
mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>> wrote:
Great all round performance, glad I decided to stay out late to watch it.

Being a Leeds fan got to look at the negatives:

Harrison - great pass in the first minute but apart from that didn't realise he 
was even on the pitch, surprised he wasn't subbed earlier.

Casilla - still not convinced he's any great improvement on Peacock-Farrell

Why oh why do we persist in giving away totally unnecessary free kicks in 
dangerous positions just outside the penalty area?

Still, great win and top of the league again, goal difference looking a bit 
more healthy now.

Cheers

Graham White

On Saturday, 2 March 2019, 11:18:54 CET, Ian Murray 
mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

 I must say Bamford is natural, clinical finisher. As much as roofe has been 
wonderful this season, I feel a fit Bamford would have kept him out of the team 
and scored more. The first finish was just effortless - he made a difficult 
chance look easy.

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mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> on behalf 
of nat...@sky.com<mailto:nat...@sky.com> mailto:nat...@sky.com>>
Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 6:10:51 PM
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] WBA

"OUTSTANDING" 5 STARS"STUPENDOUS " - 5 STARS"SPELLBINDING FROM START TO FINISH" 
- 5 STARS"IT HAD EVERYONE OUT OF THEIR SEATS "- 5 STARS"A MUST- SEE GAME" - 5 
STARS
That is what you would see plastered on buses etc if last nights game was a 
film ! From  start to finish we were excellent in all departments and wow 
didn't the fans enjoy it - 90  mins of non stop singing, chanting and 
celebrating
I agreed with Nic (?) beforehand that I would have a few pre match beers 
(check) get behind the team for 90mins (check) and clap them off at the end 
(check) but little did I think it would be so easy to do the second two.
Pre match we were all worried and the general feeling was that we would lose to 
WBA but in itself, that would not be fatal but our lack of goals would both 
scupper automatic and the play offs- our main hope would be that Bamford 
instead of wasting chances as he had so far would find his scoring boots. We 
slagged off the usual suspects, Alioski, Harrison, the more recent addition 
Ayling, and then based on Tuesday, Tyler Roberts. With these 4 in the team we 
were going nowhere !
As per normal we timed it quite well to get to the ground and I was going up 
the steps to my seat as they kicked off - as I was doing the 'scuse me' dance 
down the row, there was a massive roar and I looked up just in time to see 
Pablo curl a belter into the net - great finish, and a great start. (big kudos 
to Harrison who laid the ball on for him )
They got a free kick in a great position as we were still celebrating but it 
hit the wall and that was the last time I was really worried about this game. 
The early goal really lifted the full house crowd and we got behind the team as 
only (these days) Elland Road can.
We needed the second and I was deliberately not mentioning the 'we have not 
lost when we have scored first stat' in case I jinxed it. We had to wait till 
the half hour mark to get the second, half an hour in which we chased them 
down, harried them and took the ball off them. We also went back to the way we 
played earlier in the season when we made possession count. None of this Japp 
Stamm to me to you football along the back line, this was passing with purpose, 
precision and speed, exactly what Bielsaball is about. We had a few half chance 
/ near misses as they could not live with us, their only danger a few set 
pieces that Kiko dealt with. Then came a brilliant 5 or 6 man move that ended 
with Roberts sliding the ball through to Bamford who took one, two three 
touches and then slotted home, the finish of a top player.
The feeling then was 'game over' - just make sure we don't do anything silly 
and the points are ours.
We continued the second half where we left 

Re: [LU] WBA

[Ian Murray]

I must say Bamford is natural, clinical finisher. As much as roofe has been 
wonderful this season, I feel a fit Bamford would have kept him out of the team 
and scored more. The first finish was just effortless - he made a difficult 
chance look easy.

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Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 6:10:51 PM
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] WBA

"OUTSTANDING" 5 STARS"STUPENDOUS " - 5 STARS"SPELLBINDING FROM START TO FINISH" 
- 5 STARS"IT HAD EVERYONE OUT OF THEIR SEATS "- 5 STARS"A MUST- SEE GAME" - 5 
STARS
That is what you would see plastered on buses etc if last nights game was a 
film ! From  start to finish we were excellent in all departments and wow 
didn't the fans enjoy it - 90  mins of non stop singing, chanting and 
celebrating
I agreed with Nic (?) beforehand that I would have a few pre match beers 
(check) get behind the team for 90mins (check) and clap them off at the end 
(check) but little did I think it would be so easy to do the second two.
Pre match we were all worried and the general feeling was that we would lose to 
WBA but in itself, that would not be fatal but our lack of goals would both 
scupper automatic and the play offs- our main hope would be that Bamford 
instead of wasting chances as he had so far would find his scoring boots. We 
slagged off the usual suspects, Alioski, Harrison, the more recent addition 
Ayling, and then based on Tuesday, Tyler Roberts. With these 4 in the team we 
were going nowhere !
As per normal we timed it quite well to get to the ground and I was going up 
the steps to my seat as they kicked off - as I was doing the 'scuse me' dance 
down the row, there was a massive roar and I looked up just in time to see 
Pablo curl a belter into the net - great finish, and a great start. (big kudos 
to Harrison who laid the ball on for him )
They got a free kick in a great position as we were still celebrating but it 
hit the wall and that was the last time I was really worried about this game. 
The early goal really lifted the full house crowd and we got behind the team as 
only (these days) Elland Road can.
We needed the second and I was deliberately not mentioning the 'we have not 
lost when we have scored first stat' in case I jinxed it. We had to wait till 
the half hour mark to get the second, half an hour in which we chased them 
down, harried them and took the ball off them. We also went back to the way we 
played earlier in the season when we made possession count. None of this Japp 
Stamm to me to you football along the back line, this was passing with purpose, 
precision and speed, exactly what Bielsaball is about. We had a few half chance 
/ near misses as they could not live with us, their only danger a few set 
pieces that Kiko dealt with. Then came a brilliant 5 or 6 man move that ended 
with Roberts sliding the ball through to Bamford who took one, two three 
touches and then slotted home, the finish of a top player.
The feeling then was 'game over' - just make sure we don't do anything silly 
and the points are ours.
We continued the second half where we left off - on the front foot and came 
close a few times before we got the goal that did finsih it as a contest. Just 
after the hour mark and with Alioski on the floor Roberts impressive throughout 
carried the ball forward beat his man and played another lovely ball to Bamford 
whose shot took a wicked deflection and went in.
West Brom were beaten and should have been down to 10 men when Barry committed 
a foul "thats a yellow" we all shouted, 'ha, he's off its his second' except 
the ref bottled it.
Then came the icing on the cake - in the second minute of injury time, with ER 
still full- no-one leaving early last night, came another great move , which 
ended with Klich feeding it to Shackleton down the wing and his cross was met 
at very close range by Alioski who tapped home - how he had the energy to be 
there in the 92nd minute after the running he had already done, I don't know - 
he has his (many) critics but you cannot criticise his effort or his stamina
So an amazing 4 0 victory and back to the top of the league and QPR game put to 
bed (we think that Bielsa also got booked but no real idea what for)
This was us back to our early season best and with Bamford now scoring who 
knows what the season will bring. SO a big apology to Alioski, Harrison, and 
Ayling you were all great and showed why MB keeps on picking you all, and a 
massive apology to Roberts for daring to doubt him - he really was magnificent 
last night

As I said at the start, amazing, stupendous and spell-binding and I loved every 
minute of it
Dave

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Re: [LU] LU WBA Tonight

[Ian Murray]

Shame on all the doom merchants!

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of John Lee via 
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Sent: Saturday, March 2, 2019 2:30:10 AM
To: Joe Skinner
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org; David Smail
Subject: Re: [LU] LU WBA Tonight

I predict that I will be very angry, because once again the wankers at Sky have 
put the Whites and the Rhinos on at the same time, presumably in an attempt to 
‘co-erce’ Leeds folk to buy some expensive subscription package!

As for the football, just win, any way, any how. Lose, and effectively there’ll 
be 4 teams right in the automatic promotion places.

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> On 1 Mar 2019, at 11:49, Joe Skinner  wrote:
>
> It’s not doom and gloom to me, it’s reality.
>
> We can still lose and go up. Norwich and Sheff Utd can and will still lose 
> games and drop points. Sheff U have a derby and us to play. I don’t care how 
> we go up, as long as we go up. I don’t fancy us in the play offs. It might 
> have to be next season.  So be it.
>
> You’re either one of those people who has LOVE, LIFE, LIVE cushions and 
> prints around the house, or you’re not.
>
> I’m definitely not!
>
> We played well in patches the other day, a match fit Bamford could easily 
> have scored one, one of the other pinball moments could have gone in. We 
> could have snatched a 2-1 win. We didn’t. We lost to a team who’d previously 
> lost 7 on the bounce.
>
> Make of that what you will.
>
> From: Robert Heath 
> Sent: 01 March 2019 11:44
> To: Joe Skinner 
> Cc: Matt Anderson ; leedslist@gn.apc.org; David Smail 
> 
> Subject: Re: [LU] LU WBA Tonight
>
> To the doom & gloom merchants: I always think that too many people pay far 
> too much attention to the final score of a match before deciding whether a 
> team has played well or badly. It is one of the beauties or maddening things 
> about football that individual results frequently fail to reflect 
> performances. I know it is a classic fool's error to draw conclusions about a 
> match from only seeing the highlights, but...I have only seen the 
> highlights of the QPR match, and I saw us slice through their defence with a 
> brilliant move right from back to front which ended with Dallas and then 
> Bamford being denied by their keeper..if one of them had gone in, and 
> if their lad's fancy flick had not come off, things would not be looking so 
> grim.
>
> So anyway, I am predicting a bounce back 2-0 win tonight.
>
> I'm hoping that Casilla can keep his first clean sheet, and that the 
> mercurial Robson-Kanu plays like the donkey he looks most days and not the 
> unplayable striker he occasionally morphs into (as he did in our away game)!
>
> On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 12:25 PM Joe Skinner 
> mailto:jacksonpollocks...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
> A bright start by Leeds, concede comedy and/or breakaway goal. Eventually get 
> picked off again on the break before half time.
>
> Give it a go second half and pull one back.
>
> Slump to chastening 1-4 defeat. Their biggest shitehouse or Gayle to score 
> hat trick.
>
> Leeds are falling apart to ring out for last 20 mins.
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 1 Mar 2019, at 11:03, Matt Anderson 
>> mailto:m...@leeds-united.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Cant predict the score as it depends if the team v derby or the team v QPR 
>> turns up but I will have a small wager on WBA to score first after a 
>> defensive lapse
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Leedslist 
>> mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org>> On 
>> Behalf Of David Smail
>> Sent: 01 March 2019 10:19
>> To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
>> Subject: [LU] LU WBA Tonight
>>
>> With considerable discussion and opinion on the list regarding our recent 
>> performances, I suggest a list score prediction. Not influenced by loyalty, 
>> hope,  or a disproportionate  sense of doom and gloom or optimism, but purely
>>
>> on raw football experience and knowledge.
>>
>>
>>
>> Many of us will remember Jabba's prediction league from many years ago on 
>> this list and I thought the top places in the league at the end of the 
>> season were held by fans who had a true insight into our club and our 
>> opponents without having to necessarily voice opinions or enter long debates.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll kick things off for tonight with 1-2.
>>
>> Remember, disassociate from being a supporter for a moment, if you can and 
>> think pure football.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [LU] On the other hand.

[Ian Murray]

Whoa - mate we are level on points with second place.  We have already beaten 
them away and they are due to come to us.

Bamford is a proven goal scorer.  Yes, the lack of goals is a concern, as is 
our current form but remember, this is the championship.  Everyone loses games.

I know we have effectively had 20 years of garbage but come on, even us Leeds 
fans don't need to be this negative.  We have a great chance for automatic and 
winning the league.  We do have a decent run of fixtures coming up too IIRC.

Please stop panicking.

I


From: Leedslist  on behalf of seanscribe--- via 
Leedslist 
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2019 12:36 AM
To: dsm...@dsmail.plus.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] On the other hand.

I think we are seeing that some of Bielsa's strengths are double edged, in that 
they also contain the seeds of our ultimate demise. To wit:
- His loyalty to his core group of players. This doubtless results in 
reciprocal loyalty on the players' part and motivates them to run through a 
proverbial brick wall for him, but it seems to blind him to the need for change 
- and the availability of other options - when members of that core group show 
clear signs of mental fatigue and loss of form (indeed, it just serves to 
reinforce the mental and physical fatigue). Just a few examples of this are the 
failure to find a place in the team for Shackleton when Ayling's form has been 
so poor recently; the insistence on restricting Jack Clarke to second-half 
substitute appearances when he was already clearly the most dangerous player in 
the squad; the failure to even find a place on the bench for Edmondson when our 
team is clearly bereft of a consistent goalscorer in a division in which goal 
difference is likely to be crucial.
- His obsession with leaving no statistical and informational stone unturned in 
his preparations. This led straight to Spygate. Of course it's ridiculous that 
the League fined the club two hundred thousand quid for breaking a rule that 
doesn't exist, but any Leeds supporter over the age of 15 could have told 
Bielsa that if he sent a Leeds employee to observe other clubs' training, and 
that employee was discovered to be doing that, our enemies would pounce on it 
and use it as a stick with which to beat us. This was dumb. It created a 
massive distraction at a crucial time of the season and cost the club a not 
inconsequential sum of money.
- His openness and honesty, when combined with his insistence on sticking to 
only one style of play. By needlessly announcing his first XI for every game 
two days before kickoff, he gives the opposition manager 48 hours in which to 
plan how to counter us. Is it any surprise that as the season has gone on, more 
and more managers have figured this out? This is an absolute own goal. If I 
were Radz I would have told him to stop doing it months ago.
- His insistence on working with a small squad. Bielsa's previous experience in 
Europe was managing sides in La Liga and Ligue 1. Both of those leagues have a 
38-game season (in slightly warmer climes). The Championship has a 46-game 
season, much of it played through in the (mostly north) English winter. In 
addition there are two knockout cups and preseason games, meaning the first 
team is playing more than 50 games per season. For several players (Jansson, 
Klich, Douglas, Peacock-Farrell, Dallas, etc) there is the added burden of 
playing in (and traveling to and from) regular international games. The 
Championship - and English football in general - generally involves a much more 
physically demanding style of play than is the case in the Spanish and French 
top tiers. In addition, Rob Price himself acknowledged recently that players at 
the peak of fitness that Bielsa favors are more likely to get injured. Plus, we 
are Leeds United - we have injury crises that last years (cf: The O'Leary 
years). This all seems to argue for a larger squad than might be the case in 
Bilbao or Marseille. But not only did Bielsa insist on keeping the squad small, 
as players left the squad (Pearce, Saiz, etc.) they weren't replaced. I 
understand that it's easier to build camaraderie with a smaller squad, but are 
Bielsa's motivational skills so limited that he'd be unable to handle a squad 
with a few more players in it (let's say a creative midfielder, a dominant 
central midfielder and a proven, uninjured goalscorer)? I find that hard to 
believe. The results of all this are now clear for all to see.
If Bielsa (or Corberan, if Bielsa leaves, as seems likely) could find a way to 
bend a little on the above points, and if Radz can find the cash to buy more 
quality while retaining players like Clarke and Jansson, then I'd say we have a 
good chance of going up next season. Otherwise, it'll be more of the same.
Cheers!
Sean


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To: leedslist 
Sent: Wed, Feb 27, 2019 10:17 am
Subject: Re: [LU] On the other hand.

It 

Re: [LU] James a Leeds Player

[Ian Murray]

Good. Had never heard of him until our interest. But if Bielsa says  it's 
Tuesday, it's Tuesday.

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From: Leedslist  on behalf of Richard Naef 

Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 9:26:30 PM
To: Leeds List
Subject: [LU] James a Leeds Player

Thankfully Daniel not Leighton.  Looks like a load until end of season with 
obligation to buy if promoted.

ttfn

Richard

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Re: [LU] Bielsa

[Ian Murray]

I hadn't seen it mate. Great post.


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Re: [LU] Spying "scandal"..........the truth revealed

[Ian Murray]

Exactly. The law is clear - there is no reasonable expectation of privacy in a 
public place.

Worried Bielsa will resign.
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Re: [LU] Spying "scandal"..........the truth revealed

[Ian Murray]

Absolutely Dave. Load of old bollocks.

I just watched the game and we destroyed them. Clarke is simply outstanding.

WGUAFC
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Re: [LU] Mourinho

[Ian Murray]

According to a scum mate they are looking for someone with close connections to 
the club. Giggs then?

I actually think Bielsa wouldn't take it. He seems to be a man of principle.
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Re: [LU] Mourinho

[Ian Murray]

Don't even fucking think it mate.

That would be the most Leeds thing possible
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Re: [LU] Bolton tickets

[Ian Murray]

I think the website is garbage. LUTV is particularly poor.



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 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 27/11/2018 19:28 (GMT+08:00)
To: Richard Naef , Leeds List 

Subject: Re: [LU] Bolton tickets

No I think it was something i did or did not do
I applied for 2 tickets - got exceed numberso applied for 1 - came up with a 
list of my F names - so I clicked on my sons and put it in basket , only 
choices then were 'update basket' which just allowed me to delete it or check 
out - no option to add a ticket for myself (as far as I could see)After going 
in circles like this for a bit I decided would buy that and then go back and by 
one for myselfDid that but then - even though it said tickets still available - 
it said I had exceeded limit (presumably because I had bought one) Do not know 
passwords for rest of mates so could not apply via them
I have done it before and found it complicated to add others for away games 
(home games is the opposite - end up buying for all Friends and Family and then 
deleting) but could not remember how - my first try this season
Dave

On Tuesday, 27 November 2018, 11:18:48 GMT, Richard Naef 
 wrote:

 I often get the number exceeds amount allowed when they are sold out - so 
perhaps u got the last one for your lad?

ttfn

Richard

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
Sent: 27 November 2018 11:11
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Bolton tickets

Not used ticket site for away games for a while but thought I would go for this 
one Not sure if I am stupid or the site is poor (or a mixture) but when I tried 
for 2 tickets it exceeded amount allowed - so clicked on 1. It came up with my 
and other Friends and family names - but again no way, I could see, to buy more 
than one - does anyone know what I should have clicked on to get two tickets ?
In the event I ended up getting one ticket in my lads name, and then every time 
I tried to buy another single ticket for myself  it again said 'tickets applied 
for exceeds number allowed' (presumably becasue it knows I have bought one) - 
now sold out So 2 questions 1. What do I need to do in futures to get more than 
one ticket for an away game2 Does anyone have a spare for Bolton Quite happy 
for either / both questions to be answered off line Dave 
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Re: [LU] So...

[Ian Murray]

Doesnt seem real that it was 2005 when he took over. I remember Mikey Benjamin 
in particular being a Bates fan.

Also, how is it that its what, 6 years since he left? Time flies when you're 
not having fun.

The game today is a real opportunity for us to open up a nice little gap. Boro 
and Brentford have dodgy fixtures.



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 Original message 
From: John Boocock 
Date: 22/09/2018 08:52 (GMT+08:00)
To: {broken-address} Nicholas Armit 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] So...

Bates out!

On 21/09/2018 21:56, {broken-address} Nicholas Armit wrote:
> Whatever happened to Bates?
>
>
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Re: [LU] Preston

[Ian Murray]

All credit to him and he IS technically an international but he was garbage 
against Millwall. Hurry up back Roofe.



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 Original message 
From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 

Date: 19/09/2018 16:20 (GMT+08:00)
To: 'Leeds List' , Nigel Sykes 
Subject: Re: [LU] Preston

Lol ...  yes I was going to say that it was without doubt the worst 2 goal 
performance I've ever seen. Only Becchio could come close to it, however I do 
think we have take into account his lack of football over the last 12 months. I 
think Saturday is a big game for Roberts.
On Wednesday, 19 September 2018, 09:08:06 BST, Nigel Sykes 
 wrote:

 Yep.  Pretty much agree with all that.  Though I think that 6 for Roberts is 
generous, even with the 2 well taken goals!  He was dogshit otherwise.

Nigel
(the Dublin one)



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Re: [LU] injuries

[Ian Murray]

Are we on tv



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 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 14/09/2018 17:21 (GMT+08:00)
To: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] injuries

I don't get the 'this is Bielsa's fault with his small squad idea'We have Roofe 
who has been great this season, with £7m Bamford as back up - behind them is 
Tyler Roberts who we paid £2.5m (?) for and then Dalby and Edmundson as young 
but highly rated players behind themLast season we had Roofe, Lassogga as top 2 
then Ekuban & Grot as back up neither of whom were good enoughPrevious to that 
it was Wood, Roofe - then Doukara & AntonssonThen Wood, Antenucci - Doukara & 
Irwinunder Evans - Morrison, Antenucci - behind them was Doukara and Cani !
So for the previous 4 years we have had 2 strikers (often not as good as Roofe 
/ Bamford) and then back up which was nowhere near good enough - this time we 
have Roberts who should be better than Ekuban, Grot, Antonsson, Cani, Irwin, 
and hopefully better than Doukara the only '3rd choice' who played more than a 
handful of games for us and was average at best for us
SO I think (just as at Swansea when it was the 2 centre backs) MB is just 
unlucky that it is both strikers who are injured - if Roofe or Bamford was fit 
it would not be an issue. Fans are believing some of the false hype about small 
squad and no doubt if we have a bad run at some stage it will all be about 
'burn out'
MB is correct when he defends his decision to play Bamford in the u23s - it is 
the only way to keep him (and others not starting games) match fit. In addition 
the injury was not caused by a tackle or anything so could easily have happened 
in training
Also unlike under Monk when we needed Wood , this season so far, we have been 
getting goals from lots of different players not just the striker (Roofe)
Yes we will be up against it without an experienced proper striker and we will 
miss Hernandez & possilby Berardi who has been excellent so far, but Pontus and 
Harrison are decent deputies for them
I am not saying that we will beat Millwall - they view this as their cup final 
and put in an extra 10% effort and commitment as do their fans BUT there is no 
reason we cannot get the 3 points
Dave


  From: Richard Naef 
 To: Leeds List 
 Sent: Thursday, 13 September 2018, 16:09
 Subject: [LU] injuries

Roofe, Hernandez, Bamford and Beradi all crocked for Saturday, we still should 
beat Millwall, EL Loco's plans are looking a little bit threadbare already and 
there is no Plan B!  Still got my support, but if we get battered by Millwall 
some of his sheen will be tarnished,

ttfn

Richard

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Re: [LU] Boro

[Ian Murray]

I used to enjoy stoke in the Prem. They were such a big, physical side 
compleltely well-drilled. Delap's big long throw ins and their set piece play. 
Dom Matteo played for him at Stoke when they went up (seem to remember them 
battering us 4-0 at home), and he said simialr things. V organised, everyone 
knew their role etc. Theres something about that.

Havent seen anything of Middlesbrough this season.



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 Original message 
From: Nicholas Armit 
Date: 03/09/2018 03:38 (GMT+08:00)
To: nat...@sky.com, Leeds List , Ian Murray 

Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

I have to ask how can you enjoy that? The way they play is truly appalling to 
watch.
On Saturday, September 1, 2018, 11:07:25 PM EDT, Ian Murray 
 wrote:


Dont really get the critcism of Pulis. He sets up a physically big team and 
plays in a way to get results. It worked for him and you have to say it was a 
better result for them than us. I used to enjoy watching his Stoke team in the 
Prem so this "anti football" stuff is bollocks in my opinion.


They came for draw and got one. That said, that should be a massive confidence 
boost for us. They were scared of us and set up to try and stop us - clearly we 
are the better side and if we keep doing what we're doing, we WILL get promoted.

I agree Bamford should have been on earlier. Otherwise were top of the league 
ahead of the break. Youd take that, wouldnt you?




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 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com<mailto:nat...@sky.com>
Date: 01/09/2018 17:33 (GMT+08:00)
To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Boro

Agree with both of you to some extent, more on Nicks  side as regards my 
enjoyment and level of happinessI sent two texts to my wife which sum it up for 
me - at half time "0 0 more intriguing than exciting but so far so good. Settle 
now for 0 0 at the end"and then from the bus at the end - "ended 0 0 so content 
rather than happy.No chances either way - teams cancelled each other out but 
another hurdle crossed"
If I was the supposed 'neutral' watching this on TV I would have switched off 
at half time and gone and watched the grass grow BUT I was there live and the 
atmosphere generated by a full house and the tension in the game made it well 
worth watching and time seemed to fly by.
As Rich says it was like playing in the land of the giants, they really are a 
big team and whether it is 'anti football' or not they were physical niggly and 
time wasting throughout. They are also up there with the best this Division has 
to offer and I reckon if you finish above them you will be promoted (or at 
least 100% guarenteed play off place)

We are still very much a work in progress and still learning how to play 
against certain opposition. Whilst it is true we did not create a single clear 
cut chance and never worked the keeper they only hand a couple which BPF did 
well to save, and whilst I agree that he was MoM (or person of the match for 
the cricket lovers!!) that was more to do with his catching crosses and general 
play rather than making spectacular saves.
I was a bit surprised at the lack of subs especially given how quickly he made 
all 3 v Swansea but when discussing it with my mate during the match his theory 
was that it was so evenly matched that any substitution was almost an admission 
of failure - a sort of who blinks first type of thing. Whatever the truth of it 
I would have liked to see Bamford on with time to do something - Roofe was 
working his socks off but suffered from a total lack of good service and an 
inability to make things happen himself. Maybe I fall for the ex player always 
scores agianst his old team cliche but I did think Bamford could have given us 
the goal we craved
Like everyone I was worried, as I have been many games, that we would be 
vulnerable at corners and long throws / free kicks but once again we stood up 
to the battering (thanks in no small part to BPF) - in fact apart from Swansea 
when both Cooper and Pontus were missing, we have not conceded a goal from open 
play or a corner or long throw in 5 of the 6 games (one pen and one direct free 
kick) and only conceded 4 goals in 6 a great defensive record for a team that 
is all about attacking.
So a bit of a break and time to get Forshaw and Brown fit, and more importantly 
time for Bielsa to get stuck into the team (only a few will be off on 
international duty) and continue to get his ideas across. IT also means we will 
top of the league for a few more weeks minimum before we face another of the 
hurdles -Millwall a team that are fairly rubbish week in week out in front of a 
handful of fans but turn into world beaters in front of a full house when it is 
us in town
So  it was a result I would have taken at the start of the game and another 
challenge faced and just about passed

Dave


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[LU] Stream

[Ian Murray]

Anyone got a visual or audio stream?

My wife made me cancel foxtel. Schoolboy error.


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Re: [LU] Kids

[Ian Murray]

Ok so to continue with this thread, I joined the list as a 20 year old student 
in 2001.

It's amazing to consider that it's getting towards 20 years (with some breaks) 
that I've been on here.

I've only ever met a couple of listers IRL but have had tickets and stuff from 
a few of you and feel like I know some of you, which makes reading about your 
families and stuff all the more interesting.

MOT to Norwich and their pink dressing room.

I



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 Original message 
From: Shane Larkin 
Date: 23/08/2018 15:48 (GMT+08:00)
To: Martyn Stead , Neil Hackett 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Kids

No idea when I joined but it was in the 90s - daughter now 20 - no real
interest in Leeds but always smart enough to ask how they did each week

1st abiding memory of this list was meeting a fellow member by chance
(Martyn Stead) at some conference we both attended in Boston and us ending
up in an Applebys watching a Leeds game (has to have been a European cup
game under O’Leary )

Fun times

Shane

On Thu 23 Aug 2018 at 01:26, Neil Hackett  wrote:

> Joined around 1999.
>
> Now have a 12 year old boy. I tried him at football but he prefers rugby,
> and is a solid scrum half. No real interest in Leeds.
>
> And an 11 year old girl. A good centre mid but she much prefers, and does
> better at (ice hockey).
> My God we are all old.
>
> Just to aggravate you all...
>
> I watched the second half of the Swansea game and thought we did well. We
> forced them into countless turnovers. That is how you score against an
> organized team.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 22, 2018, at 9:40 AM, Øystein Bjøndal Lund 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Is it really that long time ago?
> >
> > Put in other words; am I really that old?
> >
> > Unfortunately, yes. It also means we have been out of the top flight for
> a man-age or something …
> >
> >
> >
> > I joined the list “a few days” (it must have been) after the t-shirt… at
> the time of vax.ox something. My company had the email system on a
> mainframe the time as well, and how I found the list I have no idea.
> >
> > Some of the highlights include walking around studying the Yorkshire
> house architecture with Betty, on our way to a Leeds ladies game, mind. We
> eventually got there, as well, to see some of it.
> >
> > And there were this ascii map (look it up!) to go from Derby train
> station to my first ever list meet at Brunswick (how come I still remember
> these things, my oldest son was transported in a buggy - was seated on my
> lap - and at Elland Road some days later he was not allowed to the lap, or
> at lest had to buy a seat for him, that he could not use, was too little…)
> >
> > There are a plenty full of more highlights, and even more memories…
> >
> > This son, Torleif, came on a tour with me to see us vs Luton together
> with 27 136 others, March 2007, he was then 11… Meaning we were already on
> our way down at the time. Also meaning he is now 22, and couldn’t care less
> about football nor Leeds United. He is only member of the LUSC of
> Scandinavia because I pay, and did in all these years…
> >
> > His 3 years younger brother, is also still a LUSCOS member for the same
> reason, but he even never wanted to come over with me to attend a game (!)…
> >
> > Neither of them are interested in any footy side, not in any footy
> competition, etc. I wonder where did I go wrong? (At least they don’t
> support the foe)
> >
> > I have been over from time to time, but not as frequent as from 1995 and
> the more or less 10 next years…
> >
> > Back to Lurk mode
> >
> > Øystein
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

[Ian Murray]

Agreed.

I think that there is room for Roofe to play the enganche role in place of Saiz 
behind Bamford, at some stage this season.

Shackleton looks a great wing back option. Maybe Ayling can play the Kelvin 
Phillips holding role?



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 Original message 
From: bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
Date: 23/08/2018 02:06 (GMT+08:00)
To: {broken-address} Richard Walker 

Cc: Ian Murray , Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

For what it’s worth (essentially nowt) I see Roofe doing well against weaker 
teams, but there’s no doubt Bamford is a better footballer. He has a bit more 
class up front than anyone else we have (and he should given he cost £10m ish). 
However Roofe has been a revelation so far, so even confirmed miserablists like 
me will say he owns the shirt at the moment. More problematic is the Saiz been 
man-marked and getting wound up scenario - we need more another creative option 
imho, especially as he’ll inevitably be banned at times.

Finally, isn’t it great to see a player like Shackleton come through? OK the 
odd error, but as things go I think he’s been tremendous. I hope Ryan Edmondson 
is training alongside Bamford - we need da yoof to step up if we’re not going 
to buy players in.

Top of the league seems ok to me though :-)

Sent from my iPad

> On 22 Aug 2018, at 18:55, {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>  wrote:
>
> On the face of it no but I’m thinking longer term and Bamford fits the no 9 
> shirt better for me.
>
> Roofe has improved and looks fitter however I still don’t think he has the 
> presence to play that lone striker long term.
>
>
>> On 22 Aug 2018, at 17:14, Ian Murray  wrote:
>>
>> I don't think you can really make a case to drop Roofe at the minute.
>>
>> I like Bamfird though.
>>
>> I
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 
>> 
>> Date: 22/08/2018 22:50 (GMT+08:00)
>> To: Joe Skinner 
>> Cc: Leeds List 
>> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>>
>> Bit harsh on Bamford. I thought he looked the part and created the 2nd goal. 
>> I’d start him over Roofe despite his goals.
>>
>>> On 22 Aug 2018, at 14:36, Joe Skinner  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> How much of us being poor last night (absolutely abysmal at times - as bad 
>>> as the worst last season) is down to the opposition, though? On the flip 
>>> side, when we do well, how much is the other team playing poorly or not 
>>> being able to keep up with (for us) a relatively high tempo?
>>>
>>> Losing a centre half and height (and not having the guy a lot of people 
>>> thing should be ahead of him, available) is a blow that late before 
>>> kick-off.
>>>
>>> I've never really liked Phillips. He's an ambler and a pointer.
>>>
>>> I thought we were a bit crap in patches against Derby but they sat off a 
>>> bit and we pulled 2 back. What do I know?
>>>
>>> We seemed a bit slow last night and even when we were playing well, a lot 
>>> of aimless balls forward (which is par for the course) - but are these 
>>> balls under Bielsa a bit different?
>>>
>>> Difficult to tell.
>>>
>>> Bamford looks well off the pace, which could be a fitness thing but even 
>>> so... £7m?
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
>>> Sent: 22 August 2018 07:35
>>> To: Leeds List 
>>> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>>>
>>> I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor, 
>>> Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into 
>>> trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight 
>>> at the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did 
>>> look like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one 
>>> massive difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and 
>>> got a point in a game during which for the most part we were second best.
>>> We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but 
>>> last night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games 
>>> Full marks to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I 
>>> argued with my lad who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he 
>>> wasn't injured, I said I hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it 
>>> showed both an 

Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

[Ian Murray]

I don't think you can really make a case to drop Roofe at the minute.

I like Bamfird though.

I



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 Original message 
From: {broken-address} Richard Walker 

Date: 22/08/2018 22:50 (GMT+08:00)
To: Joe Skinner 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

Bit harsh on Bamford. I thought he looked the part and created the 2nd goal. 
I’d start him over Roofe despite his goals.

> On 22 Aug 2018, at 14:36, Joe Skinner  wrote:
>
> How much of us being poor last night (absolutely abysmal at times - as bad as 
> the worst last season) is down to the opposition, though? On the flip side, 
> when we do well, how much is the other team playing poorly or not being able 
> to keep up with (for us) a relatively high tempo?
>
> Losing a centre half and height (and not having the guy a lot of people thing 
> should be ahead of him, available) is a blow that late before kick-off.
>
> I've never really liked Phillips. He's an ambler and a pointer.
>
> I thought we were a bit crap in patches against Derby but they sat off a bit 
> and we pulled 2 back. What do I know?
>
> We seemed a bit slow last night and even when we were playing well, a lot of 
> aimless balls forward (which is par for the course) - but are these balls 
> under Bielsa a bit different?
>
> Difficult to tell.
>
> Bamford looks well off the pace, which could be a fitness thing but even 
> so... £7m?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Leedslist  On Behalf Of nat...@sky.com
> Sent: 22 August 2018 07:35
> To: Leeds List 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair
>
> I agree with most of what RW has said - I think that Douglas was very poor, 
> Harrison was lacking and Ayling is not a centre back - twice he got us into 
> trouble when he went rampaging forward and left us (even) more lightweight at 
> the back Comparisons with last season are inevitable and at times we did look 
> like the team that fell away and failed so badly then BUT with one massive 
> difference - this time we came from behind not once but twice, and got a 
> point in a game during which for the most part we were second best.
> We did show some glimpses and flashes of the way we have been playing but 
> last night was a long way from the style and pizzazz of the other games Full 
> marks to MB for his substitutions - when he brought Phillips off I argued 
> with my lad who said it was stupid to make a sub so early if he wasn't 
> injured, I said I hoped it was indeed tactical and if it was it showed both 
> an understanding of the game and a desire to do something about it. Phillips 
> was having a shocker and he had already been booked so was on a knife edge. I 
> can recall DoL sitting on his hands when we lost 2 0 at Sunderland - he had 
> £30m of talent on the bench but sat like a rabbit in headlights and did 
> nothing even though we all knew we were going to lose if he did not change 
> things. Also I recall George Graham saying that managers often knew after a 
> few minutes that they had things wrong but did not want to personnel until at 
> least half time (preferrably not till 60mins) because to do so early was an 
> admission that they had picked the wrong team So full marks to MB to having 
> the nous and ability to know we needed to change and the bottle  /lack of 
> fear to do so. To then make two more changes to try and win the game is also 
> to be applauded One last point on the game - if Saiz (back to his moaning 
> worse) was booked for dissent how come McBurnie who argued over every 
> decision and got right in the lino and ref's faces on two occasions did not 
> get sent off ? ALthough to be fair he was MOM and a real handful Anyway top 
> of the league despite having what was reported in the press on fixture day as 
> the 'hardest start' of anyone in the Division ? I would have been happy with 
> 4 pts at this stage (draw and win v Stoke and Rotherham and two defeats) 
> Norwich now takes on an extra importance - was yesterday a reverting to type 
> for certain players and the team as a whole or is it just one (of many) to be 
> expected blips in a long hard season. We need Cooper and /or Janson to be fit 
> sooner rather than later Dave
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Re: [LU] Congratulations

[Ian Murray]

Hiya Dave

Thanks so much. We are loving him being around. How is Newy going? We are there 
for Christmas. If there's a game we should watch it.

MOT

I



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 Original message 
From: Dave Sowden 
Date: 22/08/2018 19:44 (GMT+08:00)
To: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com, leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Congratulations

Hi Ian

Many congratulations on Finn’s birth. I hope he will be able to enjoy his 
birthright at the top of the table 

Cheers

Dave

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Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

[Ian Murray]

To be fair, of the 4 games we have had, 3 of our opponents are expected to be 
challenging for the league. We were dealt a tough run of fixtures so it's 
particularly pleasing that we sit unbeaten on top of the league.

I think that things will get difficult as the season develops, conditions 
worsen and players tire, but for now I am getting on the Bielsa promotion fun 
bus.

WGUAFC



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 Original message 
From: Alec McQueen 
Date: 22/08/2018 10:03 (GMT+08:00)
To: Richard Naef 
Cc: Leeds List , {broken-address} Richard Walker 

Subject: Re: [LU] Swansea from the armchair

And against probably the best opposition we’ve met thus far. I think they 
didn’t allow us to play the way we had first 3 games (or most of them), their 
press seemed to unnerve us. Are other teams also going to figure this out: give 
us less time, and we don’t play as well? I think this is especially true of 
Saiz. Stop Saiz, stop Leeds?

I am also concerned about the injuries we are picking up... the high energy 
style has some costs, and this is one of them...

I remember last year we were in a similar position... but we felt we had been 
lucky. This time, the luck has been even... and we have played infinitely 
better.
Cheers
Alec

> On 22 Aug 2018, at 11:19 am, Richard Naef  
> wrote:
>
> Richard walker wrote:
> TOP OF THE LEAGUE and WE'RE GOING UP AS F'CKING CHAMPIONS.
>
>
> True dat!
>
> Played our poorest so far, but still showed flashes of brilliance, went 
> behind twice, but never gave up,  for that it's probably the most important 
> result so far.
>
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Re: [LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

[Ian Murray]

Where are the highlights?



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 Original message 
From: Nicholas Armit 
Date: 22/08/2018 08:00 (GMT+08:00)
To: Errand Fivefold , Leeds List 
, Ian Murray 
Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

different subject...watched the highlights back and the effort from Phillips 
and Saiz for their first goal is disgraceful. No hi intensity effort there and 
total ball watching. Really poor.

On Tuesday, August 21, 2018, 7:42:06 PM EDT, Ian Murray 
 wrote:


Thanks mate :)



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 Original message 
From: Errand Fivefold 
mailto:errand.fivef...@talk21.com>>
Date: 22/08/2018 01:28 (GMT+08:00)
To: Ian Murray mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com>>, 
Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

WOW!
Hello Finn!!

Congratulations to you all.

Great news!

:-)




Verner tHe LiTtLe YeLlOw DaFfOdIl @}-,-'--


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From: Ian Murray mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com>>
To: Leeds List mailto:leedslist@gn.apc.org>>
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2018, 14:02
Subject: [LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

Hey all

Very pleased to announce the fact that on Thursday my wife Nicky gave birth to 
our first son and Leeds fan, Finlay (Finn) James Murray.

Finn and I watched the Rotherham game in hospital together and he was very 
pleased with our performance.

I am sure that he will think that us winning the league is just one of those 
things that happens routinely - which is how I felt in 1992.  I am so 
re-invigorated with Bielsa that I have bought an android box so that I dont 
have to miss any games this season from Perth - if they are not on that then 
they can be streamed on the leeds website.  I have also spent an unreasonable 
amount of cash on LUFC baby tat to dress the lad in.

Anyway, I am just telling everyone I know because I can't smile wide enough 
right now.

MOT

Ian
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Re: [LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

[Ian Murray]

Thanks mate :)



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 Original message 
From: Errand Fivefold 
Date: 22/08/2018 01:28 (GMT+08:00)
To: Ian Murray , Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

WOW!
Hello Finn!!

Congratulations to you all.

Great news!

:-)




Verner tHe LiTtLe YeLlOw DaFfOdIl @}-,-'--



From: Ian Murray 
To: Leeds List 
Sent: Tuesday, 21 August 2018, 14:02
Subject: [LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

Hey all

Very pleased to announce the fact that on Thursday my wife Nicky gave birth to 
our first son and Leeds fan, Finlay (Finn) James Murray.

Finn and I watched the Rotherham game in hospital together and he was very 
pleased with our performance.

I am sure that he will think that us winning the league is just one of those 
things that happens routinely - which is how I felt in 1992.  I am so 
re-invigorated with Bielsa that I have bought an android box so that I dont 
have to miss any games this season from Perth - if they are not on that then 
they can be streamed on the leeds website.  I have also spent an unreasonable 
amount of cash on LUFC baby tat to dress the lad in.

Anyway, I am just telling everyone I know because I can't smile wide enough 
right now.

MOT

Ian
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[LU] Non LU - New Leeds Fan

[Ian Murray]

Hey all

Very pleased to announce the fact that on Thursday my wife Nicky gave birth to 
our first son and Leeds fan, Finlay (Finn) James Murray.

Finn and I watched the Rotherham game in hospital together and he was very 
pleased with our performance.

I am sure that he will think that us winning the league is just one of those 
things that happens routinely - which is how I felt in 1992.  I am so 
re-invigorated with Bielsa that I have bought an android box so that I dont 
have to miss any games this season from Perth - if they are not on that then 
they can be streamed on the leeds website.  I have also spent an unreasonable 
amount of cash on LUFC baby tat to dress the lad in.

Anyway, I am just telling everyone I know because I can't smile wide enough 
right now.

MOT

Ian
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[LU] LUTV

[Ian Murray]

Hi All

Is it still possible for us non UK listers to watch matches through the website?

I'm keen to watch the Rotherham game this Saturday. I imagine this may not be 
possible if it's been selected for love broadcast outside the UK?

Any ideas?

Ian



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Re: [LU] Ok, I would like to ask...

[Ian Murray]

Biesla is a genius. WGUAFC



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 Original message 
From: Alec McQueen 
Date: 12/08/2018 13:10 (GMT+08:00)
To: Errand Fivefold 
Cc: Leeds leedslist 
Subject: Re: [LU] Ok, I would like to ask...

Ah, that explains it. 藍
Cheers
Alec

> On 12 Aug 2018, at 2:55 pm, Errand Fivefold  
> wrote:
>
> Alec,
>
> it's not real.
> Wake up.
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Verner
> tHe LiTtLe YeLlOw DaFfOdIl @}-,-'--
>
>
> From: Alec McQueen 
> To: Leeds leedslist 
> Sent: Sunday, 12 August 2018, 5:41
> Subject: [LU] Ok, I would like to ask...
>
> WTF is going on? We’ve just played 2 decent Championship sides off the park.
>
> Have we just been lucky?
> Is this just new manager bounce, and it will all come unstuck when that 
> effect wears off?
> Have we now just found out exactly how good our last 5 managers have been?
> Is our new manager actually a fallen footballing genius?
> If so, what the hell is he doing at Leeds?
> Is our squad actually really good, and we have just been underperforming for 
> the past few years?
>
> I just don’t understand. I like it, but I don’t understand it.
>
> Cheers
> Alec
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Re: [LU] Liam Miller

[Ian Murray]

That's so tragic.

I was at Southampton and will never forget. Vale.



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 Original message 
From: Richard Naef 
Date: 10/02/2018 08:15 (GMT+08:00)
To: leedslist 
Subject: [LU] Liam Miller

Liam Miller Died today not unexpected, but such a young age, must be terrible 
for his family and friends.  I'm sure they have many treasured memories FWIW 
that afternoon at Southampton will stay with me.  RIP ALAW.

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Re: [LU] Interesting read

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I'm with his majesty.

Hecky for me.

I



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From: "Kevin Lewis (UK SBS)" 
Date: 08/02/2018 16:48 (GMT+08:00)
To: Scott1cairns1 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Interesting read

'Heckers' sounds a bit 'Public School' to me.  But what the Heck?  I'll go with 
the flow.


-Original Message-
From: Scott1cairns1 [mailto:scott1cair...@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 February 2018 19:09
To: MATTHEW GAYNOR 
Cc: Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) ; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Interesting read

Think we need to standardise our new managers abbreviated name after seeing 
Hecky in the previous correspondence. Heckers receives my vote.

Best regards,Scott.

> On 7 Feb 2018, at 15:13, MATTHEW GAYNOR  
> wrote:
>
> Largely in agreement with KOT here.I think TC was unlucky and probably didn't 
> deserve the sack and that Hecky is a decent choice for new manager - if we 
> can be patient.
> Picking up on the general point around strikers, I think we may have been 
> spoiled by the goals that McCormack and Wood scored in recent goals but you 
> don't necessarily need 20 goals a season and in this league most successful 
> strikers are a bit of a gamble.  McCormack and Jordan Rhodes have both proved 
> that even if you spend a lot of money there is no such thing as a sure bet.
> Looking at the Top Scorers in our league 2/3s of the way through the season.
> Vydra has 16, Leon Clarke 15 and no-one else has more than 12.We have Roofe 
> on 8, despite only playing half the games upfront and Lasogga on 7 despite 
> only playing half the games and only trying in about a quarter of them.
> Of the top scorers Vydra scored goals for Watford but Derby paid £8m for him 
> and he had barely scored for 2 years before this seasonLeon Clarke is 32 and 
> most famous for having a fight with Di Canio, spent most of his career in 
> lower leagues and has never been prolific.
> Of the other Top Scorers, the much touted Hugill only scored 8, yet got a 
> transfer to the Premier League and the list is full of old lags at this 
> level, Sharp, Garner, Waghorn, Hooper, Madine, Grabban with around 10 goals 
> and a few young midfielders we could never afford Bowen, Sessegnon, Maddison.
> So I think what I am saying is that is Hecky can put a rocket up Lasogga we 
> might have the right player and although Roofe is not good enough for Leeds 
> fans, he probably is good enough for this division.
> Matt
>
>  From: Kevin Lewis (UK SBS) 
> To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 February 2018, 13:28
> Subject: Re: [LU] Interesting read
>
> Well I'm a lot happier that Hecky has the job rather than McLaren or Stam.  I 
> like Simon Grayson as I still cling onto the victories at Old Scumford and 
> the promotion winning match v Bristol Rovers as being Leeds' great moments of 
> the last 15 years, but I don't think going back to Grayson would have been a 
> good idea.
>
> TC was hard-done-by in a way.  He may not have had full control of signings, 
> but most of us could see that we were a C Back short from the numbers point 
> of view.  We need another Bartley to take control during Jansson's regular 
> injuries and suspensions.  Cooper and Pennington are just a step down.  
> Shaughnessy is really an under 23 prospect, not a back-up CBack.
>
> Similar story up front. Grot is work in progress and both Ekuban and Lasogga 
> were gambles to replace Wood.  I've  not given up on either, especially now 
> we have a left-footed left back to put balls in from that side.  I do fear it 
>  may  be next season before either one comes good, remember Wood missed a lot 
> more than he scored in his first season.
>
> What I cannot forgive TC for is the ridicule he subjected us to with the side 
> he picked at Newport. He should have understood that the result goes on the 
> Club's record forever -long after he's gone.  Making the play-offs and 
> putting up a good show, would have justified it in his eyes, but instead we 
> still have not recovered from that fall-out.
>
> KOT.
>
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Re: [LU] Interesting read

[Ian Murray]

Had me at "Wakefield born"

I



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From: Matt Anderson 
Date: 06/02/2018 05:40 (GMT+08:00)
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] Interesting read

http://peacockandsmiley.com/5760/paul-heckingbottom-barnsley-fan-view/

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Re: [LU] miserable manc man pops his clogs, nation in mourning.

[Ian Murray]

Sad loss. Sparta FC!!!



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 Original message 
From: JONATHAN WYNNE 
Date: 25/01/2018 20:18 (GMT+08:00)
To: Richard Naef , leedslist 

Subject: Re: [LU] miserable manc man pops his clogs, nation in mourning.

I did love it and in fairness he did reference Elland Road in one of his songs 
('In These Times') which I can't say for many!!

On Thursday, 25 January 2018, 12:06, Richard Naef 
 wrote:


 Bye bye Mark E
Smith Bye Bye
Profit warnings at BAT
Wish I could say I loved all your music
But that would be a Lie


ttfn

Richard

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Re: [LU] Atrocious

[Ian Murray]

Get fucked



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From: GRAHAM THIRKILL <graham.thirki...@btinternet.com>
Date: 02/11/2017 20:51 (GMT+08:00)
To: Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com>, leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

Thanks for your message Ian. I enjoyed it (:-))


Thirkers


On Thursday, 2 November 2017, 12:47, Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> 
wrote:


I haven't dished out anything..

Get fucked.



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 Original message 
From: GRAHAM THIRKILL <graham.thirki...@btinternet.com>
Date: 02/11/2017 20:27 (GMT+08:00)
To: Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com>, leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

Typical lister as always.YOU LIKE TO DISH IT OUT BUT YOU ARE NOT AT ALL 
GOOD AT TAKING IT ARE YOU SUNSHINE. You and your crew, slag off the players the 
directors the managers the coaches almost every team you play against, plus all 
the the top Premier League Clubs and everyone under the sun..is that a 
fact Well you are getting a little bit of what you dish out...ok
Thirkers .I won't add (The Legend) it appears to be upsetting you listers a 
little but you know who I am, that's more than I can say for most of you 
lothave a good day.
PS. If I'm a stupid old cunt, pray what on earth are 
you...Sunshine??
You could get banned for using the "C" word, that's very funny, but very naughty


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On Thursday, 2 November 2017, 12:02, Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> 
wrote:


Can someone just ban this stupid old cunt?



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From: GRAHAM THIRKILL <graham.thirki...@btinternet.com>
Date: 02/11/2017 19:56 (GMT+08:00)
To: Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com>, leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

Turn the fucking phone off, Iv'e advised that already..WhimpHow old 
are you?? Grow up, face life.
Life isn't all roses. If you whinge publicly, about other people, especially, 
Professional Medical people
like Dr. Micael Benjamin, you get answered publcly, with the insults you 
deserve. Is that perfectly clear.
You are not fit to lick Dr Michael Benjamin's boots. Say what you want about me 
and that individual Heath,
but Professional Medical people who have committed their life to helping their 
community, deserve the
utmost respect...OK sunshineget it?

Quote "How does this play out if I actually was depressed? Quote" As I 
advised get professional help,

Quote, "You're just a very annoying and sad individual and I'd rather not have 
you electronically interrupting
my day with your shit posts, thanks."..

And you whoever you think you are, are a very sad whimp who sounds like a 
mummy's boy and should be more
respectful to professional people.

I hope I haven't hurt your feelings again.get over it...I don't 
normally waste as much of my time with people
like you but I have nothing better to do today so you are very, very fortunate.

Another hilarious Quote from your reply
"I'd rather not have you electronically interrupting my day with your shit 
posts, thanks".

...That is just wonderful, "electronically interupting my day" how old 
are you are you a male????


That's all for now Ian
Thirkers, (The Legend)



On Thursday, 2 November 2017, 11:04, Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> 
wrote:


What the fuck is this?

Im fine thanks but to be honest this response is ridiculous. How does this play 
out if I actually was depressed? What would your post achieve?

You're just a very annoying and sad individual and and I'd rather not have you 
electronically interrupting my day with your shit posts, thanks



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From: GRAHAM THIRKILL <graham.thirki...@btinternet.com>
Date: 02/11/2017 17:55 (GMT+08:00)
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

"Quote from a tragic lister;_ ianjamesmur...@hotmil.com"Actually makes me feel 
like unsubscribing. It is a particular Yorkshire trait to pretend to enjoy 
misery and try to exacerbate it in others (especially in sport), but it's shit. 
I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but I just delete his nonsense. It's annoying 
that my phone buzzes with constant shit though. Between him, MDM and Heath' s 
lovely rapartee I'm thinking "Do I need this shit interrupting my life?". If 
you want to wind people up, join a message board.
Maybe I'm just stressed with work atm and tolerance levels are low, but it's 
always irritated me. I've been on the list since 2000."---Ian 
James, my heart goes out to you, this is a heartbreaking story of a Leeds 
lister with severe deep depression. Don't worry it's very common wi

Re: [LU] Atrocious

[Ian Murray]

I haven't dished out anything..

Get fucked.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: GRAHAM THIRKILL <graham.thirki...@btinternet.com>
Date: 02/11/2017 20:27 (GMT+08:00)
To: Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com>, leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

Typical lister as always.YOU LIKE TO DISH IT OUT BUT YOU ARE NOT AT ALL 
GOOD AT TAKING IT ARE YOU SUNSHINE. You and your crew, slag off the players the 
directors the managers the coaches almost every team you play against, plus all 
the the top Premier League Clubs and everyone under the sun..is that a 
fact Well you are getting a little bit of what you dish out...ok
Thirkers .I won't add (The Legend) it appears to be upsetting you listers a 
little but you know who I am, that's more than I can say for most of you 
lothave a good day.
PS. If I'm a stupid old cunt, pray what on earth are 
you...Sunshine??
You could get banned for using the "C" word, that's very funny, but very naughty


Show original message
On Thursday, 2 November 2017, 12:02, Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> 
wrote:


Can someone just ban this stupid old cunt?



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: GRAHAM THIRKILL <graham.thirki...@btinternet.com>
Date: 02/11/2017 19:56 (GMT+08:00)
To: Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com>, leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

Turn the fucking phone off, Iv'e advised that already..WhimpHow old 
are you?? Grow up, face life.
Life isn't all roses. If you whinge publicly, about other people, especially, 
Professional Medical people
like Dr. Micael Benjamin, you get answered publcly, with the insults you 
deserve. Is that perfectly clear.
You are not fit to lick Dr Michael Benjamin's boots. Say what you want about me 
and that individual Heath,
but Professional Medical people who have committed their life to helping their 
community, deserve the
utmost respect...OK sunshineget it?

Quote "How does this play out if I actually was depressed? Quote" As I 
advised get professional help,

Quote, "You're just a very annoying and sad individual and I'd rather not have 
you electronically interrupting
my day with your shit posts, thanks."..

And you whoever you think you are, are a very sad whimp who sounds like a 
mummy's boy and should be more
respectful to professional people.

I hope I haven't hurt your feelings again.get over it...I don't 
normally waste as much of my time with people
like you but I have nothing better to do today so you are very, very fortunate.

Another hilarious Quote from your reply
"I'd rather not have you electronically interrupting my day with your shit 
posts, thanks".

...That is just wonderful, "electronically interupting my day" how old 
are you are you a male


That's all for now Ian
Thirkers, (The Legend)



On Thursday, 2 November 2017, 11:04, Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> 
wrote:


What the fuck is this?

Im fine thanks but to be honest this response is ridiculous. How does this play 
out if I actually was depressed? What would your post achieve?

You're just a very annoying and sad individual and and I'd rather not have you 
electronically interrupting my day with your shit posts, thanks



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: GRAHAM THIRKILL <graham.thirki...@btinternet.com>
Date: 02/11/2017 17:55 (GMT+08:00)
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

"Quote from a tragic lister;_ ianjamesmur...@hotmil.com"Actually makes me feel 
like unsubscribing. It is a particular Yorkshire trait to pretend to enjoy 
misery and try to exacerbate it in others (especially in sport), but it's shit. 
I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but I just delete his nonsense. It's annoying 
that my phone buzzes with constant shit though. Between him, MDM and Heath' s 
lovely rapartee I'm thinking "Do I need this shit interrupting my life?". If 
you want to wind people up, join a message board.
Maybe I'm just stressed with work atm and tolerance levels are low, but it's 
always irritated me. I've been on the list since 2000."---Ian 
James, my heart goes out to you, this is a heartbreaking story of a Leeds 
lister with severe deep depression. Don't worry it's very common with Leeds 
listers. No one, not even a Leeds lister should have to encounter this terrible 
illness. Are you having nasty thoughts about yourself.? Actually, one of the 
people you are whinging, moaning and crying about is a wonderful gentleman and 
a Professional Psychiarist. Of course I am referring to my dear Leeds born, 
Friend and "Real Leeds Fan", Dr Michael Benjamim. He will help you if reach out 
to him and say sorry for bi

Re: [LU] Atrocious

[Ian Murray]

Unsubscribe.


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 Original message 
From: Nigel Sykes <ni...@sykesonline.com>
Date: 02/11/2017 20:12 (GMT+08:00)
To: Leeds List <leedslist@gn.apc.org>
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

Yeah, I'm on the edge here...

Nigel (the Dublin one)

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of Roy
Blackwell
Sent: 02 November 2017 12:00
To: GRAHAM THIRKILL
Cc: Leeds List
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

Is this an attempt to kill the list?
Because its working

On 2 Nov 2017 11:56 am, "GRAHAM THIRKILL" <graham.thirki...@btinternet.com>
wrote:

Turn the fucking phone off, Iv'e advised that already..WhimpHow
old are you?? Grow up, face life. Life isn't all roses. If you whinge
publicly, about other people, especially, Professional Medical people like
Dr. Micael Benjamin, you get answered publcly, with the insults you deserve.
Is that perfectly clear.You are not fit to lick Dr Michael Benjamin's boots.
Say what you want about me and that individual Heath, but Professional
Medical people who have committed their life to helping their community,
deserve the utmost respect...OK sunshineget it?
Quote "How does this play out if I actually was depressed? Quote"
As I advised get professional help,
Quote, "You're just a very annoying and sad individual and I'd rather not
have you electronically interrupting my day with your shit posts,
thanks."..
And you whoever you think you are, are a very sad whimp who sounds like a
mummy's boy and should be more respectful to professional people.
I hope I haven't hurt your feelings again.get over it...I don't
normally waste as much of my time with people like you but I have nothing
better to do today so you are very, very fortunate.
Another hilarious Quote from your reply "I'd rather not have you
electronically interrupting my day with your shit posts, thanks".

...That is just wonderful, "electronically interupting my day" how
old are you are you a male

That's all for now IanThirkers, (The Legend)


On Thursday, 2 November 2017, 11:04, Ian Murray <
ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> wrote:


 #yiv8215636322 -- .yiv8215636322EmailQuote
{margin-left:1pt;padding-left:4pt;border-left:#80
2px solid;}#yiv8215636322 What the fuck is this?
Im fine thanks but to be honest this response is ridiculous. How does this
play out if I actually was depressed? What would your post achieve?
You're just a very annoying and sad individual and and I'd rather not have
you electronically interrupting my day with your shit posts, thanks


Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

 Original message From: GRAHAM THIRKILL <
graham.thirki...@btinternet.com> Date: 02/11/2017 17:55 (GMT+08:00) To:
leedslist@gn.apc.org Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious "Quote from a tragic
lister;_ ianjamesmur...@hotmil.com"Actually makes me feel like
unsubscribing. It is a particular Yorkshire trait to pretend to enjoy misery
and try to exacerbate it in others (especially in sport), but it's shit. I'm
sure he's a nice guy and all, but I just delete his nonsense. It's annoying
that my phone buzzes with constant shit though.
Between him, MDM and Heath' s lovely rapartee I'm thinking "Do I need this
shit interrupting my life?". If you want to wind people up, join a message
board.
Maybe I'm just stressed with work atm and tolerance levels are low, but it's
always irritated me. I've been on the list since 2000."---Ian
James, my heart goes out to you, this is a heartbreaking story of a Leeds
lister with severe deep depression. Don't worry it's very common with Leeds
listers. No one, not even a Leeds lister should have to encounter this
terrible illness. Are you having nasty thoughts about yourself.? Actually,
one of the people you are whinging, moaning and crying about is a wonderful
gentleman and a Professional Psychiarist. Of course I am referring to my
dear Leeds born, Friend and "Real Leeds Fan", Dr Michael Benjamim. He will
help you if reach out to him and say sorry for bitching about him. If you
will take my advice I think you should contact Dr Benjamin sooner rather
than later. You sound pretty desperate to me, with, stress with work,
tolerance levels, irritation, phone buzzes, etc etc. Are you sure you are
not having bad thoughts about yourse  lf? The phone buzzes must be dreadful
and the worst of your terrible problems for you, it's such a shame. How old
are you???Anyhow ianjames just to recap on my two suggestions, contact
the wonderful Dr, Michael Benjamin, he has spent a lifetime treating people
who are in your condition, they were not ALL Leeds lister fans, I hasten to
add. I would say contact him immediately. I think you are having nasty
thoughts about yourself, My second suggestion is quite simple. Turn the
fucking phone o

Re: [LU] Atrocious

[Ian Murray]

Can someone just ban this stupid old cunt?



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: GRAHAM THIRKILL <graham.thirki...@btinternet.com>
Date: 02/11/2017 19:56 (GMT+08:00)
To: Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com>, leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

Turn the fucking phone off, Iv'e advised that already..WhimpHow old 
are you?? Grow up, face life.
Life isn't all roses. If you whinge publicly, about other people, especially, 
Professional Medical people
like Dr. Micael Benjamin, you get answered publcly, with the insults you 
deserve. Is that perfectly clear.
You are not fit to lick Dr Michael Benjamin's boots. Say what you want about me 
and that individual Heath,
but Professional Medical people who have committed their life to helping their 
community, deserve the
utmost respect...OK sunshineget it?

Quote "How does this play out if I actually was depressed? Quote" As I 
advised get professional help,

Quote, "You're just a very annoying and sad individual and I'd rather not have 
you electronically interrupting
my day with your shit posts, thanks."..

And you whoever you think you are, are a very sad whimp who sounds like a 
mummy's boy and should be more
respectful to professional people.

I hope I haven't hurt your feelings again.get over it...I don't 
normally waste as much of my time with people
like you but I have nothing better to do today so you are very, very fortunate.

Another hilarious Quote from your reply
"I'd rather not have you electronically interrupting my day with your shit 
posts, thanks".

...That is just wonderful, "electronically interupting my day" how old 
are you are you a male


That's all for now Ian
Thirkers, (The Legend)



On Thursday, 2 November 2017, 11:04, Ian Murray <ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com> 
wrote:


What the fuck is this?

Im fine thanks but to be honest this response is ridiculous. How does this play 
out if I actually was depressed? What would your post achieve?

You're just a very annoying and sad individual and and I'd rather not have you 
electronically interrupting my day with your shit posts, thanks



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: GRAHAM THIRKILL <graham.thirki...@btinternet.com>
Date: 02/11/2017 17:55 (GMT+08:00)
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

"Quote from a tragic lister;_ ianjamesmur...@hotmil.com"Actually makes me feel 
like unsubscribing. It is a particular Yorkshire trait to pretend to enjoy 
misery and try to exacerbate it in others (especially in sport), but it's shit. 
I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but I just delete his nonsense. It's annoying 
that my phone buzzes with constant shit though. Between him, MDM and Heath' s 
lovely rapartee I'm thinking "Do I need this shit interrupting my life?". If 
you want to wind people up, join a message board.
Maybe I'm just stressed with work atm and tolerance levels are low, but it's 
always irritated me. I've been on the list since 2000."---Ian 
James, my heart goes out to you, this is a heartbreaking story of a Leeds 
lister with severe deep depression. Don't worry it's very common with Leeds 
listers. No one, not even a Leeds lister should have to encounter this terrible 
illness. Are you having nasty thoughts about yourself.? Actually, one of the 
people you are whinging, moaning and crying about is a wonderful gentleman and 
a Professional Psychiarist. Of course I am referring to my dear Leeds born, 
Friend and "Real Leeds Fan", Dr Michael Benjamim. He will help you if reach out 
to him and say sorry for bitching about him. If you will take my advice I think 
you should contact Dr Benjamin sooner rather than later. You sound pretty 
desperate to me, with, stress with work, tolerance levels, irritation, phone 
buzzes, etc etc. Are you sure you are not having bad thoughts about yourse
 lf? The phone buzzes must be dreadful and the worst of your terrible problems 
for you, it's such a shame. How old are you???Anyhow ianjames just to recap 
on my two suggestions, contact the wonderful Dr, Michael Benjamin, he has spent 
a lifetime treating people who are in your condition, they were not ALL Leeds 
lister fans, I hasten to add. I would say contact him immediately. I think you 
are having nasty thoughts about yourself, My second suggestion is quite simple. 
Turn the fucking phone off.Thirkers (The Legend)PS. Ianjames this was written, 
in an effort, to try to cheer you up a little bit. I hope my email has helped 
to lessen the stress, tolerance levels, irritation, shit, phone buzzes etc etc 
etc etc etc somewhat. My goodness me you poor little lost lamb I do feel so 
sorry for you, especially when you mention, you have been on the list since the 
year 2000. What a faithful wonderfu

Re: [LU] Atrocious

[Ian Murray]

Mate, ever thought about looking in the mirror?



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 Original message 
From: Michael Benjamin 
Date: 02/11/2017 18:35 (GMT+08:00)
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org, GRAHAM THIRKILL 
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

Ever thought I'd pressing the delete. Seriously opposite me would you call a 73 
year old Doctor MDM? I seriously doubt that. So why run into the gutter here? 
Graham and I are appalled at the complete lack of basic politeness. I was 
utterly gobsmacked to hear in a PM that one guy gets a pleasure in riling me. I 
honestly did not know that.
The gratuitous insults that are now lingua franca are ruining  this list. 
Caustic, pithy statements are one thing. But to casually label and deliberately 
insult are another.
Three things I have in common with Thirkers. We are both over seventy, have 
really seen the ups and downs and well be singing here forever.
So FFS, MOT with some respect. The acid test is, would you say to the persons 
face what you write?


Dr. Michael Benjamin


From: Leedslist  on behalf of GRAHAM THIRKILL 

Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 11:51:13 AM
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

[This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing at 
http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing]

"Quote from a tragic lister;_ ianjamesmur...@hotmil.com"Actually makes me feel 
like unsubscribing. It is a particular Yorkshire trait to pretend to enjoy 
misery and try to exacerbate it in others (especially in sport), but it's shit. 
I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but I just delete his nonsense. It's annoying 
that my phone buzzes with constant shit though. Between him, MDM and Heath' s 
lovely rapartee I'm thinking "Do I need this shit interrupting my life?". If 
you want to wind people up, join a message board.
Maybe I'm just stressed with work atm and tolerance levels are low, but it's 
always irritated me. I've been on the list since 2000."---Ian 
James, my heart goes out to you, this is a heartbreaking story of a Leeds 
lister with severe deep depression. Don't worry it's very common with Leeds 
listers. No one, not even a Leeds lister should have to encounter this terrible 
illness. Are you having nasty thoughts about yourself.? Actually, one of the 
people you are whinging, moaning and crying about is a wonderful gentleman and 
a Professional Psychiarist. Of course I am referring to my dear Leeds born, 
Friend and "Real Leeds Fan", Dr Michael Benjamim. He will help you if reach out 
to him and say sorry for bitching about him. If you will take my advice I think 
you should contact Dr Benjamin sooner rather than later. You sound pretty 
desperate to me, with, stress with work, tolerance levels, irritation, phone 
buzzes, etc etc. Are you sure you are not having bad thoughts about yourse
 lf? The phone buzzes must be dreadful and the worst of your terrible problems 
for you, it's such a shame. How old are you???Anyhow ianjames just to recap 
on my two suggestions, contact the wonderful Dr, Michael Benjamin, he has spent 
a lifetime treating people who are in your condition, they were not ALL Leeds 
lister fans, I hasten to add. I would say contact him immediately. I think you 
are having nasty thoughts about yourself, My second suggestion is quite simple. 
Turn the fucking phone off.Thirkers (The Legend)PS. Ianjames this was written, 
in an effort, to try to cheer you up a little bit. I hope my email has helped 
to lessen the stress, tolerance levels, irritation, shit, phone buzzes etc etc 
etc etc etc somewhat. My goodness me you poor little lost lamb I do feel so 
sorry for you, especially when you mention, you have been on the list since the 
year 2000. What a faithful wonderful lister you are, this could probably, be 
why you are feeling desperate, like you are.Hang on i
 n there!!!




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Re: [LU] Atrocious

[Ian Murray]

What the fuck is this?

Im fine thanks but to be honest this response is ridiculous. How does this play 
out if I actually was depressed? What would your post achieve?

You're just a very annoying and sad individual and I'd rather not have you 
electronically interrupting my day with your shit posts, thanks.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.


 Original message 
From: GRAHAM THIRKILL 
Date: 02/11/2017 17:55 (GMT+08:00)
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

"Quote from a tragic lister;_ ianjamesmur...@hotmil.com"Actually makes me feel 
like unsubscribing. It is a particular Yorkshire trait to pretend to enjoy 
misery and try to exacerbate it in others (especially in sport), but it's shit. 
I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but I just delete his nonsense. It's annoying 
that my phone buzzes with constant shit though. Between him, MDM and Heath' s 
lovely rapartee I'm thinking "Do I need this shit interrupting my life?". If 
you want to wind people up, join a message board.
Maybe I'm just stressed with work atm and tolerance levels are low, but it's 
always irritated me. I've been on the list since 2000."---Ian 
James, my heart goes out to you, this is a heartbreaking story of a Leeds 
lister with severe deep depression. Don't worry it's very common with Leeds 
listers. No one, not even a Leeds lister should have to encounter this terrible 
illness. Are you having nasty thoughts about yourself.? Actually, one of the 
people you are whinging, moaning and crying about is a wonderful gentleman and 
a Professional Psychiarist. Of course I am referring to my dear Leeds born, 
Friend and "Real Leeds Fan", Dr Michael Benjamim. He will help you if reach out 
to him and say sorry for bitching about him. If you will take my advice I think 
you should contact Dr Benjamin sooner rather than later. You sound pretty 
desperate to me, with, stress with work, tolerance levels, irritation, phone 
buzzes, etc etc. Are you sure you are not having bad thoughts about yourse
 lf? The phone buzzes must be dreadful and the worst of your terrible problems 
for you, it's such a shame. How old are you???Anyhow ianjames just to recap 
on my two suggestions, contact the wonderful Dr, Michael Benjamin, he has spent 
a lifetime treating people who are in your condition, they were not ALL Leeds 
lister fans, I hasten to add. I would say contact him immediately. I think you 
are having nasty thoughts about yourself, My second suggestion is quite simple. 
Turn the fucking phone off.Thirkers (The Legend)PS. Ianjames this was written, 
in an effort, to try to cheer you up a little bit. I hope my email has helped 
to lessen the stress, tolerance levels, irritation, shit, phone buzzes etc etc 
etc etc etc somewhat. My goodness me you poor little lost lamb I do feel so 
sorry for you, especially when you mention, you have been on the list since the 
year 2000. What a faithful wonderful lister you are, this could probably, be 
why you are feeling desperate, like you are.Hang on i
 n there!!!




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Re: [LU] Atrocious

[Ian Murray]

Actually makes me feel like unsubscribing. It is a particular Yorkshire trait 
to pretend to enjoy misery and try to exacerbate it in others (especially in 
sport), but it's shit.

I'm sure he's a nice guy and all, but I just delete his nonsense. It's annoying 
that my phone buzzes with constant shit though. Between him, MDM and Heath' s 
lovely rapartee I'm thinking "Do I need this shit interrupting my life?". If 
you want to wind people up, join a message board.

Maybe I'm just stressed with work atm and tolerance levels are low, but it's 
always irritated me. I've been on the list since 2000.

Let's just go back to rational football posts from Dave and RichW.

MOT



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 Original message 
From: Peter Castlehouse 
Date: 01/11/2017 17:55 (GMT+08:00)
To: '{broken-address}' , 'GRAHAM 
THIRKILL' 
Cc: 'Leeds List' 
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

My last memory of this bloke Thirkers was at a List Meet at the Adelphi around 
the turn of the century, where he brought along a carrier bag full - I shit you 
not - of Hula Hoops!  Yes, Hula Hoops!  At least Kewell scored to take us to 
victory, and I had Betty Boocock as Mein Host pre/during/post game!   Not sure 
what perverse idea was going through his mind with that carrier bag at the 
time, and I call upon the good Dr Mike to analyse that one.
His last attempt at feeble humour at my expense was to mis-spell my surname 
into derivatives of it, Castleford, Castleton, et cetera.   So sad, and I'd 
like to collect a quid for every time it's happened, either in jest or is all 
seriousness.
I also have it on good authority that the supply of incontinence pads to the 
North-East has grown since he re-joined the list.   Sadly, his recent 
contributions consist of blathering on about our third-rate team, and how much 
better the Premmy League teams are doing!
Perhaps Thirkers is trying to emulate the legend and self-effacing ex-God of 
the list, the one and only Voice Of Football, but he is pathetically failing on 
every facet.
As we used to say in the Forces about such people as Thirkers... 'tries hard, 
fails miserably, but works well under constant supervision...'
ALAW?
Pete C
t'original one

-Original Message-
From: Leedslist [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On Behalf Of 
{broken-address}
Sent: 01 November 2017 20:20
To: GRAHAM THIRKILL 
Cc: Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Atrocious

I doubt I’m alone when wondering why this chump keeps posting this crap, but I 
content myself that he is of an age where he probably shits himself twice a 
week! That’s satisfying enough!

Sent from my iPad

> On 1 Nov 2017, at 07:57, GRAHAM THIRKILL  
> wrote:
>
> Nicholas Armit armitn at yahoo.com  quote I thought we did fine first
> half and even though they had some pressure second they were nowhere
> near as good as Sheffield Utd quote
>
> The stats say Leeds had only 40% to Derby's 60% of the play in the
> first half, so you must have missed quite a bit of the game, unless it
> was those rose tinted spectacles of yours..hahahahaha You experts have
> just three days to sort out the team selection, management problens,
> player problems, tactics laundry, boot cleaning, sweeping the stands,
> cutting the grass  and all the other problems you wannabee managers
> have to discuss, hahahahaha Remember, it's only a game you have a
> rubbish team get used to it, you should know better after all these
> years in the third and second division that you are in now. What is it
> now, five games on the trot lost, it's only 15 points plus another 3
> on Saturday at Brentford maybe yiu are on a roll for a club
> recordhahahahaha Anyhow leedslisters, I hope my message has cheered
> you all up. I can't imagine how it feels for all of you.it must be
> terrible, FIVE OUT OF DEFEATS IN THE SECOND DIVISION AFTER BEING ON
> TOP FOR 5 MINUTES Not so loud Cheers & Beers,Thirkers, (The Legend)
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Re: [LU] Today's Results

[Ian Murray]

Couldn't agree more. I know this his shtick but it's very tired.

MOT



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 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 29/10/2017 00:44 (GMT+08:00)
To: GRAHAM THIRKILL , Leeds List 

Subject: Re: [LU] Today's Results


YAWN !
  From: GRAHAM THIRKILL 
 To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
 Sent: Saturday, 28 October 2017, 17:41
 Subject: [LU] Today's Results

Hi Guys,Great to see Manchester United back to winning ways, I have never known 
that great club 'ever' lose 4 four out of five games. Another great Manchester 
City victory also on their way to another Premiership winning season. Do you 
grown boys still call Manchester United silly names, the favourite name as I 
remember was "SCUM", or have you grown up a little and realised that they are 
much better that your team. You used to be champions of Yorkshire didn't you, 
even that's a thing of the past isn't it. Two defeats by Sheffield clubs 5 
goals against 1 for, tut tut, You won't be with the big clubs with these 
shocking results will you, maybe you will have a better performance when you 
lose to Barnsley. Still, it's only a game innit. At least us real Leeds people 
have a real great club to support, the great Leeds Rhinos. The best club ever 
in Leeds. I see you are mostly a bit downhearted licking your wounds after 
another pathetic home performance last night, wasn't Sheffield United a 
 third tier club last season .  tut tut...Don't let a silly football result 
spoil your week-end.You boys should be used to it by 
now..To cheer yourselves up a bit watch Manchester United and 
Manchester City and the other "big" clubsIn the Premiership tonight, it's a bit 
late on, but no school to morrow. I hope that foreign guy Castleton.Castleford 
or Castlehouse whatever is name is, is still not causing lots of upsetness and 
trouble, he always was a trouble maker. I have another guy I want to address 
also, but I will save that for another time.Thirkers (The Legend)


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Re: [LU] Anybody watch the u23s v Crewe?

[Ian Murray]

No. Hope this helps.



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 Original message 
From: Rob Heath 
Date: 14/10/2017 19:02 (GMT+08:00)
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: [LU] Anybody watch the u23s v Crewe?

Report?
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Re: [LU] Non LU: Cricket

[Ian Murray]

Can someone can this guy? Betty?



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 Original message 
From: Matt 
Date: 26/09/2017 19:54 (GMT+08:00)
To: "Robinson, Mick" 
Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU: Cricket

As an Essex fan. I'm enjoying our Leicester like triumph.

Hoping to be at Chelmsford tomorrow to see us polish off the Yorkies and 
complete an unbeaten season.

Matt

> On 26 Sep 2017, at 11:09, Robinson, Mick  wrote:
>
> No, but it would have been very funny.
> Especially if you remember Midd & Yorkshire contrived a result in the last 
> game of the season last year to deny Somerset the title.
>
>
> From: Jim Moran [mailto:j...@jimmoran.co.uk]
> Sent: 26 September 2017 11:07
> To: Robinson, Mick 
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU: Cricket
>
> [EXTERNAL]
> That would have not been very Cricket would it?
>
> On 26 September 2017 at 11:04, Robinson, Mick 
> > wrote:
> No, Somerset needed to win, and get an extra bowling point, which, had Midd 
> declared, they would not have got.
> Miid in right trouble now @ 25-5
>
> From: Jim Moran [mailto:j...@jimmoran.co.uk]
> Sent: 26 September 2017 10:55
> To: Robinson, Mick >
> Cc: leedslist@gn.apc.org
> Subject: Re: [LU] Non LU: Cricket
>
> [EXTERNAL]
> Wouldn't Somerset put them back in again to follow on and then win the game?
>
> On 26 September 2017 at 10:41, Robinson, Mick 
> > wrote:
> Just following the cricket, very happy Yorkshire are safe.
>
> However, If Middlesex declare now at 18-3 they save themselves from 
> relegation, dare they do that???
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Re: [LU] LUTV abroad - question

[Ian Murray]

I buy them as I want them here in Aus. Stream is usually good, costs £5.

Not sure what the eu rules are, or if the canaries are considered even in the 
EU.



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 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 19/09/2017 20:45 (GMT+08:00)
To: Leeds List 
Subject: [LU] LUTV abroad - question

I am going abroad in a few weeks (Lanzarote) and missing Reading home game - is 
it possible I can get a day pass thing and watch online ?
The Sheff Wed game is on Sky so I will be able to find a pub to watch it
Dave
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Re: [LU] Brum

[Ian Murray]

500! Ha - what a joke.

Thing about Redknapp is he's never done anything of real note and what he has 
achieved has been either through a very lucky glut of really good young players 
or by spending an unreasonable amount of cash.





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 Original message 
From: nat...@sky.com
Date: 13/09/2017 20:27 (GMT+08:00)
To: Richard Walker , Leeds List 
Subject: Re: [LU] Brum

Redknapp quote from Birmingham Mail
That was the first time I really felt I have seen a football team since I have 
been at Birmingham,” he said.“No disrespect, I felt tonight you saw a team 
tonight that had come to Leeds, good team, big crowd and really dominated the 
game.“The second half was complete and utter domination, we just couldn’t get 
the break we needed.”
Clearly a manager who is trying to deflect from the fact they lost again ! Very 
much in the Colin mould is Harry- never his fault and with only 500 Brum fans 
to tell anyone differently he may fool them for a bit longer
dave

  From: Richard Walker 
 To: Leeds List ; "nat...@sky.com" 
 Sent: Wednesday, 13 September 2017, 12:09
 Subject: Re: [LU] Brum

 I didn't hear Rednapp's comments but if he said that he's delusional and 
obviously a manager under pressure.  They had 2 or 3 decent players with Jota 
being the man of the match however he should have been, he cost over 6 million.
On Wednesday, 13 September 2017, 11:30:51 BST, nat...@sky.com 
 wrote:

 "we are top the league, say we are top the league" - repeat and repeat 

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