Re: [LU] Non LU - Simon Cowell Act
Nope. Freedom of expression is important. Look at all that Giggs nonsense - would not have been possible with constitutional protection for the media. Sent from my iPhone On 4 Jul 2011, at 05:25, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote: You're joking!! Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com On 4 July 2011 00:31, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Completely agree. We need constitutional protection like the United States. Sent from my iPhone On 3 Jul 2011, at 21:57, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote: No apologies for the non LU content - (there's bugger all to talk about anyway at the moment) I see she that someone has just got a police caution for making online remarks about Simon Cowell's organisation and the talent that he finds. There's lots of things to say about both the loser TV that makes Simon Cowell and others very rich, but I'm posting more about the free-speech aspect of this. I think that there are very tough libel and slander laws in the UK, so much so that people come from all over the world to sue because the playing field isn't entirely level. So why does Simon Cowell need a new(ish) criminal act to protect his reputation? Why do governments pander to these people. Pander? Pander! is anyone suggesting that in a different context a Simon Cowell would have a criminal record himself? This is wrong. Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Non LU - Simon Cowell Act
Shoot the lawyers. Anything but a constitution that the wankers can take control and waste time. Not to mention the lunacy of US law. They are not Lawyers involved in observing the law. They are de facto making the law and subverting it. In a democracy there is one lawmaker. Get elected and don't hijack. End of another rant. Thank you I feel much calmer. Sent from my iPhone Dr Michael Benjamin Community Psychiatry On 4 Jul 2011, at 11:28, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Nope. Freedom of expression is important. Look at all that Giggs nonsense - would not have been possible with constitutional protection for the media. Sent from my iPhone On 4 Jul 2011, at 05:25, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote: You're joking!! Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com On 4 July 2011 00:31, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Completely agree. We need constitutional protection like the United States. Sent from my iPhone On 3 Jul 2011, at 21:57, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote: No apologies for the non LU content - (there's bugger all to talk about anyway at the moment) I see she that someone has just got a police caution for making online remarks about Simon Cowell's organisation and the talent that he finds. There's lots of things to say about both the loser TV that makes Simon Cowell and others very rich, but I'm posting more about the free-speech aspect of this. I think that there are very tough libel and slander laws in the UK, so much so that people come from all over the world to sue because the playing field isn't entirely level. So why does Simon Cowell need a new(ish) criminal act to protect his reputation? Why do governments pander to these people. Pander? Pander! is anyone suggesting that in a different context a Simon Cowell would have a criminal record himself? This is wrong. Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Non LU - Simon Cowell Act
dont know much about B-G to be honest. Most politicians should meet a guillotine IMHO :-) The guillotine was invented to make executions more human for all. Depending on how low or high you were on the social scale a death warrant was executed in different manners. The most horrific ones were saved for peasants. Aristocrats got beheaded, nice and swift as opposed to be attached to 4 horses that would rip you to pieces. So the guillotine was a democratic tool. god im bored at work. week 5 and still no login... On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.comwrote: B-G couldn't abide any criticism. :-) seriously he was a right tyrant. Sent from my iPhone Dr Michael Benjamin Community Psychiatry On 4 Jul 2011, at 13:38, Eric B barl...@gmail.com wrote: Anything on this planet can be used in two ways due to the nature of duality. ie a gun can be used to kill someone but also defend yourself. Blame the gun or the shooter? Freedom of speech is no different as it also includes the right for religious groups to propagate the very interesting concept of Creationism. Everything comes with a cost. Today freedom of press seems to only apply for those that own one. Here is one for Simon Cowell: The test of democracy is freedom of criticism. ~David Ben-Gurion On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Dr. Michael Benjamin. beden...@gmail.com beden...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is lunacy in legality. The legal profession has gone into a malignant phase. Like religions they can be benign or malignant. Problem is our neck we have both. :-( Sent from my iPhone Dr Michael Benjamin Community Psychiatry On 4 Jul 2011, at 12:29, sinisterpicturesDB sinisterpictu...@dogz-bollox.co.uk sinisterpictu...@dogz-bollox.co.uk wrote: Mike I think Ian has a good point. Besides all this idiots TV stuff and big eared twats porking z list nobodies, there are gagging orders in place about ongoing life and death issues in the UK courts right now. Information that will only come to light after the outcome of the court stuff. It's not secret information and is in the public domain, yet the gagging order prevents any of it being used in reporting. On 4 Jul 2011, at 09:28, Ian Murray wrote: Nope. Freedom of expression is important. Look at all that Giggs nonsense - would not have been possible with constitutional protection for the media. Sent from my iPhone On 4 Jul 2011, at 05:25, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote: You're joking!! Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.comhttp://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health: http// http://www.MyDoctorExplains.comwww.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.comhttp://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com On 4 July 2011 00:31, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Completely agree. We need constitutional protection like the United States. Sent from my iPhone On 3 Jul 2011, at 21:57, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote: No apologies for the non LU content - (there's bugger all to talk about anyway at the moment) I see she that someone has just got a police caution for making online remarks about Simon Cowell's organisation and the talent that he finds. There's lots of things to say about both the loser TV that makes Simon Cowell and others very rich, but I'm posting more about the free-speech aspect of this. I think that there are very tough libel and slander laws in the UK, so much so that people come from all over the world to sue because the playing field isn't entirely level. So why does Simon Cowell need a new(ish) criminal act to protect his reputation? Why do governments pander to these people. Pander? Pander! is anyone suggesting that in a different context a Simon Cowell would have a criminal record himself? This is wrong. Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Non LU - Simon Cowell Act
On 04/07/2011 09:28, Ian Murray wrote: Nope. Freedom of expression is important. Look at all that Giggs nonsense - would not have been possible with constitutional protection for the media. Well, to be fair, depends on the constitution. Ours is... Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1988: 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary. - Si ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Non LU - Simon Cowell Act
Totally - but they're talking about repealing it. We definitely need a written constitution, in one document, binding on Parliament IMHO. Sent from my iPhone On 4 Jul 2011, at 21:36, Simon Austin simon...@auzsoft.net wrote: On 04/07/2011 09:28, Ian Murray wrote: Nope. Freedom of expression is important. Look at all that Giggs nonsense - would not have been possible with constitutional protection for the media. Well, to be fair, depends on the constitution. Ours is... Article 10 of the Human Rights Act 1988: 1. Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. 2. The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary. - Si ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
[LU] Non LU - Simon Cowell Act
No apologies for the non LU content - (there's bugger all to talk about anyway at the moment) I see she that someone has just got a police caution for making online remarks about Simon Cowell's organisation and the talent that he finds. There's lots of things to say about both the loser TV that makes Simon Cowell and others very rich, but I'm posting more about the free-speech aspect of this. I think that there are very tough libel and slander laws in the UK, so much so that people come from all over the world to sue because the playing field isn't entirely level. So why does Simon Cowell need a new(ish) criminal act to protect his reputation? Why do governments pander to these people. Pander? Pander! is anyone suggesting that in a different context a Simon Cowell would have a criminal record himself? This is wrong. Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Non LU - Simon Cowell Act
Completely agree. We need constitutional protection like the United States. Sent from my iPhone On 3 Jul 2011, at 21:57, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote: No apologies for the non LU content - (there's bugger all to talk about anyway at the moment) I see she that someone has just got a police caution for making online remarks about Simon Cowell's organisation and the talent that he finds. There's lots of things to say about both the loser TV that makes Simon Cowell and others very rich, but I'm posting more about the free-speech aspect of this. I think that there are very tough libel and slander laws in the UK, so much so that people come from all over the world to sue because the playing field isn't entirely level. So why does Simon Cowell need a new(ish) criminal act to protect his reputation? Why do governments pander to these people. Pander? Pander! is anyone suggesting that in a different context a Simon Cowell would have a criminal record himself? This is wrong. Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
Re: [LU] Non LU - Simon Cowell Act
You're joking!! Dr Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist --- myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT http://www.myRay.com -- Mental Health: http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com Auditing || Quality Control http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/ Blog: http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com On 4 July 2011 00:31, Ian Murray ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com wrote: Completely agree. We need constitutional protection like the United States. Sent from my iPhone On 3 Jul 2011, at 21:57, Damian Walsh pussaydam...@gmail.com wrote: No apologies for the non LU content - (there's bugger all to talk about anyway at the moment) I see she that someone has just got a police caution for making online remarks about Simon Cowell's organisation and the talent that he finds. There's lots of things to say about both the loser TV that makes Simon Cowell and others very rich, but I'm posting more about the free-speech aspect of this. I think that there are very tough libel and slander laws in the UK, so much so that people come from all over the world to sue because the playing field isn't entirely level. So why does Simon Cowell need a new(ish) criminal act to protect his reputation? Why do governments pander to these people. Pander? Pander! is anyone suggesting that in a different context a Simon Cowell would have a criminal record himself? This is wrong. Damian ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
