Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook privacy and security - is there a free Legacy webinar?

[Cathy Pinner]

Facebook privacy settings change from time to time.
YouTube is probably the best place to get a video on setting Privacy 
options in Facebook.

Make sure you are watching a very recent one.

You can also use a browser extension called F. B. Purity to get rid of 
some of the junk.

https://www.fbpurity.com/
Note it is currently working with the old Facebook look and not the new 
beta look that is being rolled out. You can change to the old Classic 
look in the Settings. I got the new look yesterday and fairly soon 
changed back to keep using FB Purity.


Dennis, it's the Facebook groups that are searchable.

Cathy

Dennis Holtby wrote:


I agree. I’ve never been tempted to use FB but, knowing that it’s
‘searchable’ just might be the ‘carrot’ that could tempt me to give it
a try.

A video or, even written instructions, to ‘join’ and assure adequate
privacy/security would be greatly appreciated.

Dennis



On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM Ian Thomas mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com>> wrote:

    Some people here who are reluctant to use Facebook are concerned
    about their privacy.
    Perhaps a step-by-step video showing how to 'tie down" FB,
    nevertheless allow its effective use for Legacy FT genealogy, may
    encourage some to join.
    An advantage in using FB would be attaching a partial screen image
    explaining what one's Legacy problem is. It is sometimes hard to
    express a issue in words alone.

    I.L. Thomas
    Victoria Park, Western Australia
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook privacy and security - is there a free Legacy webinar?

[Dennis Holtby]

I agree. I’ve never been tempted to use FB but, knowing that it’s
‘searchable’ just might be the ‘carrot’ that could tempt me to give it a
try.

A video or, even written instructions, to ‘join’ and assure adequate
privacy/security would be greatly appreciated.

Dennis



On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 6:40 PM Ian Thomas  wrote:

> Some people here who are reluctant to use Facebook are concerned about
> their privacy.
> Perhaps a step-by-step video showing how to 'tie down" FB, nevertheless
> allow its effective use for Legacy FT genealogy, may encourage some to
> join.
> An advantage in using FB would be attaching a partial screen image
> explaining what one's Legacy problem is. It is sometimes hard to express a
> issue in words alone.
>
> I.L. Thomas
> Victoria Park, Western Australia
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Cathy Pinner]

I'm one of those who monitor the Facebook group when Michele is asleep. 
It's a friendly group and I don't very often have to step in to stop 
commenting or delete a post or comment. Occasionally, like today, I look 
at my email first, but most days I go to Facebook first.


I read every post and almost all comments as a moderator, but you don't 
have to. Many users just drop in when they want to know something. We 
are very relaxed about posts on the same topic even if it was discussed 
yesterday, just as you are here. If it's completely identical someone 
will just post the link to the earlier discussion. Yes you can search 
the Facebook group but the search is flaky. eg someone searched it 
recently for adoption and got no hits whereas I did the exact same 
search an hour or so later and got screens full, which is one of the 
reasons we don't complain when people don't find for themselves the 
earlier conversation.


The one thing I hate is when people here cross post and I find their 
email here before I find their Facebook post. It's so much easier to 
respond on Facebook.  It's only sometimes possible to copy and paste to 
email.


I belong to a lot of Facebook genealogy groups but don't check them all 
regularly. I may post to my own Facebook page on average once a year - 
probably less and although I have friended a number of people, I don't 
very often read my "news feed."  Facebook is what you make it.


Cathy

Tessa Keough <mailto:murke...@gmail.com>
Wednesday, 13 May 2020 6:24 AM
I think everyone needs to keep in mind what terrific service 
Legacy/MyHeritage offer their users - whether through mail list or 
Facebook Group, through video tutorials online at Legacy Webinars or 
through the Help section found in the Legacy software. And if you 
don't want to "keep up" with Legacy on Facebook, but only use it as 
needed for your issues - simply use the search feature, I find it very 
handy. For a very reasonable cost of the software, Legacy offers so 
many ways of assisting their customers at no cost to us - just a 
little time as we learn how best to use our software. Thanks for all 
you and others do with Facebook, blog posts, and cross posting to the 
Mail Group.



/*Tessa Keough*/





Michele Lewis <mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com>
Wednesday, 13 May 2020 3:47 AM
I monitor it that much because I want to not because I have to :)


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Ward Walker <mailto:wnkwal...@rogers.com>
Wednesday, 13 May 2020 3:36 AM
I am comfortable with Facebook, but the Legacy Group there is not 
worth my time. There are just too many posts to wade through -- as you 
admit, it takes all your waking hours. And (last I looked) so many of 
the posts were beginner questions or a rehash of old topics. It's 
almost like we could use two groups, one for newbies and one for 
old-timers.


But, thank you, Michele, for the work you do to help all users.

  Ward

-Original Message- From: Gillian Hakli
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 1:27 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

I've taken myself off Legacy and, though you're quite convincing,
Michelle, about the advantages, I'm not going back. Like Georges, I'm
very contented with emails.

Gillian



Gillian Hakli <mailto:gill...@saunalahti.fi>
Wednesday, 13 May 2020 1:27 AM
I've taken myself off Legacy and, though you're quite convincing, 
Michelle, about the advantages, I'm not going back. Like Georges, I'm 
very contented with emails.


Gillian






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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Tessa Keough]

I think everyone needs to keep in mind what terrific service
Legacy/MyHeritage offer their users - whether through mail list or Facebook
Group, through video tutorials online at Legacy Webinars or through the
Help section found in the Legacy software. And if you don't want to "keep
up" with Legacy on Facebook, but only use it as needed for your issues -
simply use the search feature, I find it very handy. For a very reasonable
cost of the software, Legacy offers so many ways of assisting their
customers at no cost to us - just a little time as we learn how best to use
our software. Thanks for all you and others do with Facebook, blog posts,
and cross posting to the Mail Group.


*Tessa Keough*



On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 12:48 PM Michele Lewis 
wrote:

> I monitor it that much because I want to not because I have to :)
>
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 15:37 Ward Walker  wrote:
>
>> I am comfortable with Facebook, but the Legacy Group there is not worth
>> my
>> time. There are just too many posts to wade through -- as you admit, it
>> takes all your waking hours. And (last I looked) so many of the posts
>> were
>> beginner questions or a rehash of old topics. It's almost like we could
>> use
>> two groups, one for newbies and one for old-timers.
>>
>> But, thank you, Michele, for the work you do to help all users.
>>
>>Ward
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Gillian Hakli
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 1:27 PM
>> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
>> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook
>>
>> I've taken myself off Legacy and, though you're quite convincing,
>> Michelle, about the advantages, I'm not going back. Like Georges, I'm
>> very contented with emails.
>>
>> Gillian
>>
>> On 12/05/2020 19:47, sarrazingeor...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > I have both, but feel more comfortable with emails. I'm barely taking a
>> > look at the Legacy section of Facebook.
>> >
>> > Georges
>> >
>> > -Message d'origine-
>> > De : LegacyUserGroup  De la
>> part
>> > de Michele Lewis
>> > Envoyé : 12 mai 2020 11:32
>> > À : Legacy User Group 
>> > Objet : [LegacyUG] Facebook
>> >
>> > I encourage you to join our Legacy User Group on Facebook. I know there
>> > are some of you that say there is no way you will ever get on Facebook
>> but
>> > you can join Facebook and set your privacy so that you won’t get friend
>> > requests and no one can see what you post. The group itself is private
>> so
>> > anything you post there isn’t seen by anyone except the other group
>> > members.
>> >
>> > You are missing a lot of stuff by not being there. I can’t cross post
>> > everything that I post there and I post quite a bit. I readily admit
>> that
>> > my attention is with the Facebook group because I can do so many more
>> > things there than I can here.
>> >
>> > You can use screenshots and video clips which you can’t do here. You
>> can
>> > explain a problem better with a screenshot and you can understand
>> > solutions to problems better as well with screenshots.
>> >
>> > I (and others) can upload files. For example, periodically I upload a
>> pdf
>> > that has clickable links to all of the Tuesday's Tips from the Legacy
>> > Newsletter/Blog. John Lisle upload a great series with how to work with
>> > the custom geo code files in Legacy.
>> >
>> > The Facebook group is searchable and you can also use hashtags. You
>> will
>> > see announcements from the staff when we need to get  important
>> > information out. All events and webinars are announced to give you a
>> heads
>> > up without having to monitor the webinar webpage. When an update is
>> > released it is announced here immediately.
>> >
>> > Another advantage, which I honestly wish I didn't have to use, I and
>> the
>> > other admins/moderators can delete posts. I can also stop the
>> commenting
>> > on a post if I need to. On the mailing list if someone posts something
>> > against the rules there isn't much I can do about it. I can remove the
>> > person but the posts stay and conversations go on and on that really
>> need
>> > to be nipped. Even when I tell people enough is enough it goes on. That
>> > doesn't happen on Facebook.
>> >
>> > I monitor the list pretty much all of my waking hours. We have beta
>> > testers and power users that are monitoring the lis

Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Michele Lewis]

I monitor it that much because I want to not because I have to :)


On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 15:37 Ward Walker  wrote:

> I am comfortable with Facebook, but the Legacy Group there is not worth my
> time. There are just too many posts to wade through -- as you admit, it
> takes all your waking hours. And (last I looked) so many of the posts were
> beginner questions or a rehash of old topics. It's almost like we could
> use
> two groups, one for newbies and one for old-timers.
>
> But, thank you, Michele, for the work you do to help all users.
>
>Ward
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Gillian Hakli
> Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 1:27 PM
> To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook
>
> I've taken myself off Legacy and, though you're quite convincing,
> Michelle, about the advantages, I'm not going back. Like Georges, I'm
> very contented with emails.
>
> Gillian
>
> On 12/05/2020 19:47, sarrazingeor...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I have both, but feel more comfortable with emails. I'm barely taking a
> > look at the Legacy section of Facebook.
> >
> > Georges
> >
> > -Message d'origine-
> > De : LegacyUserGroup  De la
> part
> > de Michele Lewis
> > Envoyé : 12 mai 2020 11:32
> > À : Legacy User Group 
> > Objet : [LegacyUG] Facebook
> >
> > I encourage you to join our Legacy User Group on Facebook. I know there
> > are some of you that say there is no way you will ever get on Facebook
> but
> > you can join Facebook and set your privacy so that you won’t get friend
> > requests and no one can see what you post. The group itself is private
> so
> > anything you post there isn’t seen by anyone except the other group
> > members.
> >
> > You are missing a lot of stuff by not being there. I can’t cross post
> > everything that I post there and I post quite a bit. I readily admit
> that
> > my attention is with the Facebook group because I can do so many more
> > things there than I can here.
> >
> > You can use screenshots and video clips which you can’t do here. You can
> > explain a problem better with a screenshot and you can understand
> > solutions to problems better as well with screenshots.
> >
> > I (and others) can upload files. For example, periodically I upload a
> pdf
> > that has clickable links to all of the Tuesday's Tips from the Legacy
> > Newsletter/Blog. John Lisle upload a great series with how to work with
> > the custom geo code files in Legacy.
> >
> > The Facebook group is searchable and you can also use hashtags. You will
> > see announcements from the staff when we need to get  important
> > information out. All events and webinars are announced to give you a
> heads
> > up without having to monitor the webinar webpage. When an update is
> > released it is announced here immediately.
> >
> > Another advantage, which I honestly wish I didn't have to use, I and the
> > other admins/moderators can delete posts. I can also stop the commenting
> > on a post if I need to. On the mailing list if someone posts something
> > against the rules there isn't much I can do about it. I can remove the
> > person but the posts stay and conversations go on and on that really
> need
> > to be nipped. Even when I tell people enough is enough it goes on. That
> > doesn't happen on Facebook.
> >
> > I monitor the list pretty much all of my waking hours. We have beta
> > testers and power users that are monitoring the list when I actually
> sleep
> > 
> >
> > As of right now this mailing list has 1531 member. The Facebook group
> has
> > 21,941. The Facebook group has 5 administrators and 2 moderators. It is
> > also monitored by several staff members and some of our top beta testers
> > and translators.
> >
> > I hope I see more of you there.
> >
> > Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®
> > Legacy Educator
> > Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
> > mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
> > www.legacyfamilytree.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Ward Walker]

I am comfortable with Facebook, but the Legacy Group there is not worth my 
time. There are just too many posts to wade through -- as you admit, it 
takes all your waking hours. And (last I looked) so many of the posts were 
beginner questions or a rehash of old topics. It's almost like we could use 
two groups, one for newbies and one for old-timers.


But, thank you, Michele, for the work you do to help all users.

  Ward

-Original Message- 
From: Gillian Hakli

Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 1:27 PM
To: legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

I've taken myself off Legacy and, though you're quite convincing,
Michelle, about the advantages, I'm not going back. Like Georges, I'm
very contented with emails.

Gillian

On 12/05/2020 19:47, sarrazingeor...@gmail.com wrote:
I have both, but feel more comfortable with emails. I'm barely taking a 
look at the Legacy section of Facebook.


Georges

-Message d'origine-
De : LegacyUserGroup  De la part 
de Michele Lewis

Envoyé : 12 mai 2020 11:32
À : Legacy User Group 
Objet : [LegacyUG] Facebook

I encourage you to join our Legacy User Group on Facebook. I know there 
are some of you that say there is no way you will ever get on Facebook but 
you can join Facebook and set your privacy so that you won’t get friend 
requests and no one can see what you post. The group itself is private so 
anything you post there isn’t seen by anyone except the other group 
members.


You are missing a lot of stuff by not being there. I can’t cross post 
everything that I post there and I post quite a bit. I readily admit that 
my attention is with the Facebook group because I can do so many more 
things there than I can here.


You can use screenshots and video clips which you can’t do here. You can 
explain a problem better with a screenshot and you can understand 
solutions to problems better as well with screenshots.


I (and others) can upload files. For example, periodically I upload a pdf 
that has clickable links to all of the Tuesday's Tips from the Legacy 
Newsletter/Blog. John Lisle upload a great series with how to work with 
the custom geo code files in Legacy.


The Facebook group is searchable and you can also use hashtags. You will 
see announcements from the staff when we need to get  important 
information out. All events and webinars are announced to give you a heads 
up without having to monitor the webinar webpage. When an update is 
released it is announced here immediately.


Another advantage, which I honestly wish I didn't have to use, I and the 
other admins/moderators can delete posts. I can also stop the commenting 
on a post if I need to. On the mailing list if someone posts something 
against the rules there isn't much I can do about it. I can remove the 
person but the posts stay and conversations go on and on that really need 
to be nipped. Even when I tell people enough is enough it goes on. That 
doesn't happen on Facebook.


I monitor the list pretty much all of my waking hours. We have beta 
testers and power users that are monitoring the list when I actually sleep 



As of right now this mailing list has 1531 member. The Facebook group has 
21,941. The Facebook group has 5 administrators and 2 moderators. It is 
also monitored by several staff members and some of our top beta testers 
and translators.


I hope I see more of you there.

Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®
Legacy Educator
Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com






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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Gillian Hakli]

I've taken myself off Legacy and, though you're quite convincing, 
Michelle, about the advantages, I'm not going back. Like Georges, I'm 
very contented with emails.


Gillian

On 12/05/2020 19:47, sarrazingeor...@gmail.com wrote:

I have both, but feel more comfortable with emails. I'm barely taking a look at 
the Legacy section of Facebook.

Georges

-Message d'origine-
De : LegacyUserGroup  De la part de 
Michele Lewis
Envoyé : 12 mai 2020 11:32
À : Legacy User Group 
Objet : [LegacyUG] Facebook

I encourage you to join our Legacy User Group on Facebook. I know there are 
some of you that say there is no way you will ever get on Facebook but you can 
join Facebook and set your privacy so that you won’t get friend requests and no 
one can see what you post. The group itself is private so anything you post 
there isn’t seen by anyone except the other group members.

You are missing a lot of stuff by not being there. I can’t cross post 
everything that I post there and I post quite a bit. I readily admit that my 
attention is with the Facebook group because I can do so many more things there 
than I can here.

You can use screenshots and video clips which you can’t do here. You can 
explain a problem better with a screenshot and you can understand solutions to 
problems better as well with screenshots.

I (and others) can upload files. For example, periodically I upload a pdf that 
has clickable links to all of the Tuesday's Tips from the Legacy 
Newsletter/Blog. John Lisle upload a great series with how to work with the 
custom geo code files in Legacy.

The Facebook group is searchable and you can also use hashtags. You will see 
announcements from the staff when we need to get  important information out. 
All events and webinars are announced to give you a heads up without having to 
monitor the webinar webpage. When an update is released it is announced here 
immediately.

Another advantage, which I honestly wish I didn't have to use, I and the other 
admins/moderators can delete posts. I can also stop the commenting on a post if 
I need to. On the mailing list if someone posts something against the rules 
there isn't much I can do about it. I can remove the person but the posts stay 
and conversations go on and on that really need to be nipped. Even when I tell 
people enough is enough it goes on. That doesn't happen on Facebook.

I monitor the list pretty much all of my waking hours. We have beta testers and 
power users that are monitoring the list when I actually sleep 

As of right now this mailing list has 1531 member. The Facebook group has 
21,941. The Facebook group has 5 administrators and 2 moderators. It is also 
monitored by several staff members and some of our top beta testers and 
translators.

I hope I see more of you there.

Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®
Legacy Educator
Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
www.legacyfamilytree.com






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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[sarrazingeorges]

I have both, but feel more comfortable with emails. I'm barely taking a look at 
the Legacy section of Facebook.

Georges

-Message d'origine-
De : LegacyUserGroup  De la part de 
Michele Lewis
Envoyé : 12 mai 2020 11:32
À : Legacy User Group 
Objet : [LegacyUG] Facebook

I encourage you to join our Legacy User Group on Facebook. I know there are 
some of you that say there is no way you will ever get on Facebook but you can 
join Facebook and set your privacy so that you won’t get friend requests and no 
one can see what you post. The group itself is private so anything you post 
there isn’t seen by anyone except the other group members. 

You are missing a lot of stuff by not being there. I can’t cross post 
everything that I post there and I post quite a bit. I readily admit that my 
attention is with the Facebook group because I can do so many more things there 
than I can here.

You can use screenshots and video clips which you can’t do here. You can 
explain a problem better with a screenshot and you can understand solutions to 
problems better as well with screenshots.

I (and others) can upload files. For example, periodically I upload a pdf that 
has clickable links to all of the Tuesday's Tips from the Legacy 
Newsletter/Blog. John Lisle upload a great series with how to work with the 
custom geo code files in Legacy. 

The Facebook group is searchable and you can also use hashtags. You will see 
announcements from the staff when we need to get  important information out. 
All events and webinars are announced to give you a heads up without having to 
monitor the webinar webpage. When an update is released it is announced here 
immediately.

Another advantage, which I honestly wish I didn't have to use, I and the other 
admins/moderators can delete posts. I can also stop the commenting on a post if 
I need to. On the mailing list if someone posts something against the rules 
there isn't much I can do about it. I can remove the person but the posts stay 
and conversations go on and on that really need to be nipped. Even when I tell 
people enough is enough it goes on. That doesn't happen on Facebook.

I monitor the list pretty much all of my waking hours. We have beta testers and 
power users that are monitoring the list when I actually sleep  

As of right now this mailing list has 1531 member. The Facebook group has 
21,941. The Facebook group has 5 administrators and 2 moderators. It is also 
monitored by several staff members and some of our top beta testers and 
translators. 

I hope I see more of you there.

Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®
Legacy Educator
Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com  
www.legacyfamilytree.com   




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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup]

F.B. Purity  is a browser extension that works with Facebook. It filters
out all of the unwanted stuff including the ads.


On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 02:51 Pauline B. Cramer 
wrote:

> I have been using Legacy Family Tree since version 4 and I have been a
> subscriber to the legacyusergroup for a long time.  I enjoy reading the
> Legacyusergroup emails, which I sometimes find useful.
>
> I looked at the LUG FB a little, but did not find it useful and have not
> looked at it recently.  I have over 300 Facebook Friends, people with whom
> I share other interests.
>
> I am thankful that the Legacy User Group does not have ads.  On google,
> etc., I got so tired of seeing the same ads pop up, photos of clothes or
> shoes I would never want to purchase, etc., so I finally opted out of ads.
>Still get a lot of ads on, but  fewer and better quality of ads.
>
> Pauline Cramer
>
>
> On 1/8/2019 8:37 AM, Carolyn White via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
>
> I have "followed" the FB page for a while but even though I'm signed up
> for notifications, I never get one (and because of that I never remember to
> go to the page).  I second the usefulness of the email list.
>
> Carolyn White
>
> On Tuesday, January 8, 2019, 11:35:11 AM EST, Sherry H
>   wrote:
>
>
> I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't
> keep up with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do
> in mailing lists
>
> It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste
> it into an email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the
> mailing list won't get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB
> page but there's no reason they can't get announcements or other
> pertinent information about Legacy.
>
> *Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
> *It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching
> in a FB group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
> *Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still
> there in my face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
> *If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can
> cut down on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen
> spam on any of the mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade
> through all the ads that FB puts in a group. A moderated list can also
> put a stop to a thread by rejecting posts
> *Polls can be sent on mailing lists as well. I just responded to one
> on a book list.
> *I can choose to save emails that are of particular interest to me or
> delete ones I have no interest in. They're all lumped together on FB.
> *All the graphics on a FB page are annoying.
> *Mailing lists *can* allow pictures. Up to the list owner.
>
> I've been using FB for a few Christian groups and still not a fan - I
> so wish they were mailing lists instead!
>
> Sherry
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:58 AM Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup
>  wrote:
> >
> > We have some complaints about the Facebook LUG getting more information
> than
> > the email LUG. I wanted to explain why that is. The Facebook LUG is in a
> > much easier format to post information. I can do ten times as much stuff
> on
> > the Facebook LUG than I can do here and a lot faster.
> >
> > *Conversations are threaded so it is much easier to follow the
> conversations
> >
> > *You don't have to worry about "trimming" emails to make them more
> readable
> > (and most people don't do this anyways)
> > *It is very easy to search the group for past posts.
> > *There is a section where we can upload files that are accessible to
> > everyone
> > *We have "sticky" announcements
> > *Upcoming webinars are announced as well as links to the Legacy News
> posts
> > *We can delete spam
> > *We can close comments on a thread that has run its course
> > *You can post screenshots which makes understanding problems (and
> explaining
> > problems) so much easier
> > *You can create polls (fun!)
> >
> > There are 1579 members of the email LUG.  There are 18,963 members of the
> > Facebook LUG
> >
> > I know that there are some of you that have sworn you will never join
> > Facebook. Unfortunately you will be missing out on some things. I can't
> make
> > this email list do all of the things that Facebook can do.
> >
> > You can easily join Facebook and change your privacy settings so that you
> > are pretty much incognito. You can make it so that no one can send you
> > friend requests. You can format your name in such a way that it isn't
> > obvious who you are (you can't post a fake name per Facebook rules but
> there
> > is some flexibility). You can pretty much block everything. You need to
> go
> > into the Privacy settings (all of the settings really) and go line by
> line
> > to get it set up like you want. We have users that have Facebook for no
> > other reason that the LUG group. I also HIGHLY recommend the browser
> > extension F.B. Purity. It works with Facebook to give a TON of options on
> > what 

Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Pauline B. Cramer]

I have been using Legacy Family Tree since version 4 and I have been a 
subscriber to the legacyusergroup for a long time.  I enjoy reading the 
Legacyusergroup emails, which I sometimes find useful.


I looked at the LUG FB a little, but did not find it useful and have not 
looked at it recently.  I have over 300 Facebook Friends, people with 
whom I share other interests.


I am thankful that the Legacy User Group does not have ads.  On google, 
etc., I got so tired of seeing the same ads pop up, photos of clothes or 
shoes I would never want to purchase, etc., so I finally opted out of 
ads.    Still get a lot of ads on, but  fewer and better quality of ads.


Pauline Cramer


On 1/8/2019 8:37 AM, Carolyn White via LegacyUserGroup wrote:
I have "followed" the FB page for a while but even though I'm signed 
up for notifications, I never get one (and because of that I never 
remember to go to the page).  I second the usefulness of the email list.


Carolyn White

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019, 11:35:11 AM EST, Sherry H 
 wrote:



I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't
keep up with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do
in mailing lists

It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste
it into an email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the
mailing list won't get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB
page but there's no reason they can't get announcements or other
pertinent information about Legacy.

*Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
*It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching
in a FB group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
*Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still
there in my face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
*If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can
cut down on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen
spam on any of the mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade
through all the ads that FB puts in a group. A moderated list can also
put a stop to a thread by rejecting posts
*Polls can be sent on mailing lists as well. I just responded to one
on a book list.
*I can choose to save emails that are of particular interest to me or
delete ones I have no interest in. They're all lumped together on FB.
*All the graphics on a FB page are annoying.
*Mailing lists *can* allow pictures. Up to the list owner.

I've been using FB for a few Christian groups and still not a fan - I
so wish they were mailing lists instead!

Sherry

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:58 AM Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup
> wrote:

>
> We have some complaints about the Facebook LUG getting more 
information than

> the email LUG. I wanted to explain why that is. The Facebook LUG is in a
> much easier format to post information. I can do ten times as much 
stuff on

> the Facebook LUG than I can do here and a lot faster.
>
> *Conversations are threaded so it is much easier to follow the 
conversations

>
> *You don't have to worry about "trimming" emails to make them more 
readable

> (and most people don't do this anyways)
> *It is very easy to search the group for past posts.
> *There is a section where we can upload files that are accessible to
> everyone
> *We have "sticky" announcements
> *Upcoming webinars are announced as well as links to the Legacy News 
posts

> *We can delete spam
> *We can close comments on a thread that has run its course
> *You can post screenshots which makes understanding problems (and 
explaining

> problems) so much easier
> *You can create polls (fun!)
>
> There are 1579 members of the email LUG.  There are 18,963 members 
of the

> Facebook LUG
>
> I know that there are some of you that have sworn you will never join
> Facebook. Unfortunately you will be missing out on some things. I 
can't make

> this email list do all of the things that Facebook can do.
>
> You can easily join Facebook and change your privacy settings so 
that you

> are pretty much incognito. You can make it so that no one can send you
> friend requests. You can format your name in such a way that it isn't
> obvious who you are (you can't post a fake name per Facebook rules 
but there
> is some flexibility). You can pretty much block everything. You need 
to go
> into the Privacy settings (all of the settings really) and go line 
by line

> to get it set up like you want. We have users that have Facebook for no
> other reason that the LUG group. I also HIGHLY recommend the browser
> extension F.B. Purity. It works with Facebook to give a TON of 
options on
> what you see and what you don't see. It gets rid of all the junk 
stuff (like

> ads).
>
> Totally up to you. I just wanted to explain why there is a difference
> between what you see and what they see. If you change your mind, you can
> join the Facebook LUG here: 

Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Sherry H]

Thanks Jennie!

Sadly, I know people who will not communicate outside of FB. My
step-daughter is one and she has so many "friends" it's hard to wade
through everything! Oh well...

S.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 2:22 PM Jennie Matheson  wrote:
>
> HI Sherry,
>
> Exactly how I interpreted your "shouting" - stressing your message. I have 
> been "dragged, yelling and screaming" to Facebook for other reasons but will 
> not use it for Legacy information. I know this means I may miss out on some 
> information, but that is my decision and I'm not going to complain about it. 
> You did however, make some valid points in your original email.
>
> Jennie

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Jennie Matheson]

HI Sherry,

Exactly how I interpreted your "shouting" - stressing your message. I have
been "dragged, yelling and screaming" to Facebook for other reasons but
will not use it for Legacy information. I know this means I may miss out on
some information, but that is my decision and I'm not going to complain
about it. You did however, make some valid points in your original email.

Jennie

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 1:57 AM Sherry H  wrote:

> Carrie, Do you have children? Sometimes, after saying the same thing 2
> or 3 times, it's easy to get irritated with them and you need to speak
> louder (call it yelling if you wish, but I had no way of emphasizing
> my words here other than in all caps).
>
> The people I responded to were NOT (not yelling. just emphasizing)
> reading what I was saying and I was getting upset having to write it
> so many times because of the difficulty of doing email on this
> particular device.
>
> That's the hard part with written communication. Many
> misunderstandings as to intent.  (BTW, you just shouted as well!!!)
>
> S.
>
> On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 12:15 AM Carrie Pillow 
> wrote:
> >
> > I also don’t think its hard to be polite, watch the tone of messages, if
> you want people to go to the effort of posting in 2 places.
> >
> > There is also no need to ‘SHOUT in these messages, Manners go a lot
> further.
> >
> > Carrie
> >
> >
> >
> > From: LegacyUserGroup  On
> Behalf Of Peter Matthews
> > Sent: 09 January 2019 03:01
> > To: Legacy User Group 
> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook
> >
> >
> > I agree.
> >
> > I'm sure we all do very much appreciate the invariably timely and
> helpful responses from Cathy and Michele to posted problems on this list.
> >
> > However I think it would also solve some of the angst if any Legacy
> announcements could also be posted to this list. It can't be that hard. We
> don't need all the Facebook posts, only any "announcements", whether formal
> or not. "Legacy News" is not enough.
> >
> > Yes, FB might have some advantages over this list, but the reality is
> that a significant proportion of faithful Legacy customers just do not want
> to join Facebook. Please, do not "leave us in the dust".
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > At 17:17 08-01-19 -0800, Sherry H wrote:
> >
> > PLEASE!!
> >
> > REREAD what I wrote. I'm not expecting whole conversations from FB to
> > be posted here.
> >
> > If a staff member posts and announcement, such as build release, new
> > webinar, reduced rates for MyHeritage or upgrade prices for Legacy or
> > Legacy products = THOSE should be posted on the LUG list. Tips would
> > also be nice. How-to only if someone on the LUG list asks.
> >
> > How hard is that to understand?
> >
> > FB Notifications are IMPOSSIBLE. I've turned them off in most of the
> > groups I am a member of (I have no "Friends" on FB as they're insane
> > as well - I've seen some of the threads and no way do I have the time
> > or energy for that nonsense!) and have few showing only in FB. I will
> > not get them by text or email. Even if they're not Legacy posts.
> >
> > FB is so changeable that FB Purity has a hard time keeping up. Plus it
> > seems to slow FB down, at least for me.
> >
> > I do subscribe to the LUG email. However, it seems that FB is quicker
> > for notifications as those are posted right away and the LUG email is
> > generally quite behind.
> >
> >
> > S.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Cathy Pinner  wrote:
> > >
> > > The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list
> is
> > > that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet
> access.
> > >
> > > Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
> > > unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
> > > originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
> > > tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
> > > knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
> > > with useful stuff.
> > >
> > > There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
> > > them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
> > > and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook
> "toolbar".
> > >
> > > RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
> &

Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[CE WOOD]

Be aware that many people still use plain text when emailing. Their only option 
is to use caps for emphasis.

Only HTML allows bolding, underlining, etc. For many years, this list did not 
allow HTML. Only after HTML became the choice of most emailers were capital 
letters classified as shouting.


CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Carrie Pillow 
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 12:08 AM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook


I also don’t think its hard to be polite, watch the tone of messages, if you 
want people to go to the effort of posting in 2 places.



There is also no need to ‘SHOUT in these messages, Manners go a lot further.



Carrie



From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Peter Matthews
Sent: 09 January 2019 03:01
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook



I agree.

I'm sure we all do very much appreciate the invariably timely and helpful 
responses from Cathy and Michele to posted problems on this list.

However I think it would also solve some of the angst if any Legacy 
announcements could also be posted to this list. It can't be that hard. We 
don't need all the Facebook posts, only any "announcements", whether formal or 
not. "Legacy News" is not enough.

Yes, FB might have some advantages over this list, but the reality is that a 
significant proportion of faithful Legacy customers just do not want to join 
Facebook. Please, do not "leave us in the dust".

Peter

At 17:17 08-01-19 -0800, Sherry H wrote:


PLEASE!!

REREAD what I wrote. I'm not expecting whole conversations from FB to
be posted here.

If a staff member posts and announcement, such as build release, new
webinar, reduced rates for MyHeritage or upgrade prices for Legacy or
Legacy products = THOSE should be posted on the LUG list. Tips would
also be nice. How-to only if someone on the LUG list asks.

How hard is that to understand?

FB Notifications are IMPOSSIBLE. I've turned them off in most of the
groups I am a member of (I have no "Friends" on FB as they're insane
as well - I've seen some of the threads and no way do I have the time
or energy for that nonsense!) and have few showing only in FB. I will
not get them by text or email. Even if they're not Legacy posts.

FB is so changeable that FB Purity has a hard time keeping up. Plus it
seems to slow FB down, at least for me.

I do subscribe to the LUG email. However, it seems that FB is quicker
for notifications as those are posted right away and the LUG email is
generally quite behind.


S.



On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Cathy Pinner 
mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list is
> that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet access.
>
> Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
> unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
> originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
> tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
> knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
> with useful stuff.
>
> There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
> them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
> and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook "toolbar".
>
> RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
> you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.
> Here is where you can subscribe. 
> https://legacyfamilytree.com/Subscribe.asp<https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flegacyfamilytree.com%2FSubscribe.asp=02%7C01%7C%7Cbe46d96a989f4bb1698808d6760a85d4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636826184892244937=vEWVv3yzYedU%2F34lnWcOExYkOicvvJVscZ6UaekvwXk%3D=0>
>
> As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups
> and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my
> personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B.
> Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications
> so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.
>
> Cathy
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Sherry H]

Carrie, Do you have children? Sometimes, after saying the same thing 2
or 3 times, it's easy to get irritated with them and you need to speak
louder (call it yelling if you wish, but I had no way of emphasizing
my words here other than in all caps).

The people I responded to were NOT (not yelling. just emphasizing)
reading what I was saying and I was getting upset having to write it
so many times because of the difficulty of doing email on this
particular device.

That's the hard part with written communication. Many
misunderstandings as to intent.  (BTW, you just shouted as well!!!)

S.

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 12:15 AM Carrie Pillow  wrote:
>
> I also don’t think its hard to be polite, watch the tone of messages, if you 
> want people to go to the effort of posting in 2 places.
>
> There is also no need to ‘SHOUT in these messages, Manners go a lot further.
>
> Carrie
>
>
>
> From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
> Peter Matthews
> Sent: 09 January 2019 03:01
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook
>
>
> I agree.
>
> I'm sure we all do very much appreciate the invariably timely and helpful 
> responses from Cathy and Michele to posted problems on this list.
>
> However I think it would also solve some of the angst if any Legacy 
> announcements could also be posted to this list. It can't be that hard. We 
> don't need all the Facebook posts, only any "announcements", whether formal 
> or not. "Legacy News" is not enough.
>
> Yes, FB might have some advantages over this list, but the reality is that a 
> significant proportion of faithful Legacy customers just do not want to join 
> Facebook. Please, do not "leave us in the dust".
>
> Peter
>
> At 17:17 08-01-19 -0800, Sherry H wrote:
>
> PLEASE!!
>
> REREAD what I wrote. I'm not expecting whole conversations from FB to
> be posted here.
>
> If a staff member posts and announcement, such as build release, new
> webinar, reduced rates for MyHeritage or upgrade prices for Legacy or
> Legacy products = THOSE should be posted on the LUG list. Tips would
> also be nice. How-to only if someone on the LUG list asks.
>
> How hard is that to understand?
>
> FB Notifications are IMPOSSIBLE. I've turned them off in most of the
> groups I am a member of (I have no "Friends" on FB as they're insane
> as well - I've seen some of the threads and no way do I have the time
> or energy for that nonsense!) and have few showing only in FB. I will
> not get them by text or email. Even if they're not Legacy posts.
>
> FB is so changeable that FB Purity has a hard time keeping up. Plus it
> seems to slow FB down, at least for me.
>
> I do subscribe to the LUG email. However, it seems that FB is quicker
> for notifications as those are posted right away and the LUG email is
> generally quite behind.
>
>
> S.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Cathy Pinner  wrote:
> >
> > The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list is
> > that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet access.
> >
> > Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
> > unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
> > originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
> > tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
> > knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
> > with useful stuff.
> >
> > There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
> > them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
> > and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook "toolbar".
> >
> > RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
> > you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.
> > Here is where you can subscribe. https://legacyfamilytree.com/Subscribe.asp
> >
> > As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups
> > and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my
> > personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B.
> > Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications
> > so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.
> >
> > Cathy

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Carrie Pillow]

I also don't think its hard to be polite, watch the tone of messages, if you 
want people to go to the effort of posting in 2 places.

There is also no need to 'SHOUT in these messages, Manners go a lot further.

Carrie

From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Peter Matthews
Sent: 09 January 2019 03:01
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook


I agree.

I'm sure we all do very much appreciate the invariably timely and helpful 
responses from Cathy and Michele to posted problems on this list.

However I think it would also solve some of the angst if any Legacy 
announcements could also be posted to this list. It can't be that hard. We 
don't need all the Facebook posts, only any "announcements", whether formal or 
not. "Legacy News" is not enough.

Yes, FB might have some advantages over this list, but the reality is that a 
significant proportion of faithful Legacy customers just do not want to join 
Facebook. Please, do not "leave us in the dust".

Peter

At 17:17 08-01-19 -0800, Sherry H wrote:

PLEASE!!

REREAD what I wrote. I'm not expecting whole conversations from FB to
be posted here.

If a staff member posts and announcement, such as build release, new
webinar, reduced rates for MyHeritage or upgrade prices for Legacy or
Legacy products = THOSE should be posted on the LUG list. Tips would
also be nice. How-to only if someone on the LUG list asks.

How hard is that to understand?

FB Notifications are IMPOSSIBLE. I've turned them off in most of the
groups I am a member of (I have no "Friends" on FB as they're insane
as well - I've seen some of the threads and no way do I have the time
or energy for that nonsense!) and have few showing only in FB. I will
not get them by text or email. Even if they're not Legacy posts.

FB is so changeable that FB Purity has a hard time keeping up. Plus it
seems to slow FB down, at least for me.

I do subscribe to the LUG email. However, it seems that FB is quicker
for notifications as those are posted right away and the LUG email is
generally quite behind.


S.



On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Cathy Pinner 
mailto:genea...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list is
> that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet access.
>
> Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
> unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
> originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
> tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
> knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
> with useful stuff.
>
> There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
> them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
> and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook "toolbar".
>
> RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
> you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.
> Here is where you can subscribe. 
> https://legacyfamilytree.com/Subscribe.asp<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flegacyfamilytree.com%2FSubscribe.asp=02%7C01%7C%7Cdbc83b405aef429ab03e08d675deca77%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636825997065849786=oY0x0PhZb5yET06NemUmOA%2BD3sfoxpzBVSL%2F8f6T5rM%3D=0>
>
> As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups
> and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my
> personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B.
> Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications
> so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.
>
> Cathy
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Peter Matthews]

I agree.

I'm sure we all do very much appreciate the invariably timely and helpful 
responses from Cathy and Michele to posted problems on this list.

However I think it would also solve some of the angst if any Legacy 
announcements could also be posted to this list. It can't be that hard. We 
don't need all the Facebook posts, only any "announcements", whether formal or 
not. "Legacy News" is not enough.

Yes, FB might have some advantages over this list, but the reality is that a 
significant proportion of faithful Legacy customers just do not want to join 
Facebook. Please, do not "leave us in the dust".

Peter

At 17:17 08-01-19 -0800, Sherry H wrote:
PLEASE!!

REREAD what I wrote. I'm not expecting whole conversations from FB to
be posted here.

If a staff member posts and announcement, such as build release, new
webinar, reduced rates for MyHeritage or upgrade prices for Legacy or
Legacy products = THOSE should be posted on the LUG list. Tips would
also be nice. How-to only if someone on the LUG list asks.

How hard is that to understand?

FB Notifications are IMPOSSIBLE. I've turned them off in most of the
groups I am a member of (I have no "Friends" on FB as they're insane
as well - I've seen some of the threads and no way do I have the time
or energy for that nonsense!) and have few showing only in FB. I will
not get them by text or email. Even if they're not Legacy posts.

FB is so changeable that FB Purity has a hard time keeping up. Plus it
seems to slow FB down, at least for me.

I do subscribe to the LUG email. However, it seems that FB is quicker
for notifications as those are posted right away and the LUG email is
generally quite behind.


S.



On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Cathy Pinner  wrote:
>
> The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list is
> that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet access.
>
> Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
> unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
> originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
> tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
> knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
> with useful stuff.
>
> There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
> them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
> and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook "toolbar".
>
> RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
> you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.
> Here is where you can subscribe. https://legacyfamilytree.com/Subscribe.asp
>
> As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups
> and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my
> personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B.
> Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications
> so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.
>
> Cathy
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[CE WOOD]

So, after we made Legacy great, you are abandoning your diehard supporters - or 
driving and leaving us out to make life easier for you and support ?x!#erberg?

Sic transit gloria.

CE


From: LegacyUserGroup  on behalf of 
Cathy Pinner 
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 4:55 PM
To: Legacy User Group
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list is
that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet access.

Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
with useful stuff.

There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook "toolbar".

RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.
Here is where you can subscribe. 
https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flegacyfamilytree.com%2FSubscribe.aspdata=02%7C01%7C%7C5491b80371be4e40b7d808d675cd3967%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636825921620279968sdata=H61ENe22bglAAtBkD%2B%2FNmuSSPEVJa5w12LS0uD27iOU%3Dreserved=0

As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups
and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my
personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B.
Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications
so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.

Cathy

> Jeff <mailto:malka...@orthohelp.com>
> Wednesday, 9 January 2019 6:42 AM
> +1
> Not even once a month on Facebook!
>
>
>
>
>
> Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com>
> Wednesday, 9 January 2019 5:55 AM
> Sherry - you have just enumerated all the desires (for a much better
> LUG email list) that I silently think about. Pictures on this list
> would be a major improvement.
>
> I have had a FB account for 10 years but I probably use FB (not the
> Legacy group, which I don't belong to) about once monthly.
>
> Frankly, I'm pleased to see the FB organization withering and being
> held to some) account for its transgressions.
>
> Ian Thomas
> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com]
> On Behalf Of Sherry H
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019 3:29 AM
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook
>
> I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't
> keep up with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do
> in mailing lists
>
> It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste
> it into an email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the
> mailing list won't get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB
> page but there's no reason they can't get announcements or other
> pertinent information about Legacy.
>
> *Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
> *It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching
> in a FB group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
> *Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still
> there in my face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
> *If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can
> cut down on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen
> spam on any of the mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade
> through all the ads that FB puts in a group. A moderated list can also
> put a stop to a thread by rejecting posts *Polls can be sent on
> mailing lists as well. I just responded to one on a book list.
> *I can choose to save emails that are of particular interest to me or
> delete ones I have no interest in. They're all lumped together on FB.
> *All the graphics on a FB page are annoying.
> *Mailing lists *can* allow pictures. Up to the list owner.
>
> I've been using FB for a few Christian groups and still not a fan - I
> so wish they were mailing lists instead!
>
> Sherry
>
> Sherry H <mailto:hot.rod.w...@gmail.com>
> Wednesday, 9 January 2019 12:28 AM
> I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't
> keep up with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do
> in mailing lists
>
> It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste
> it into an email. No need

Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Sherry H]

PLEASE!!

REREAD what I wrote. I'm not expecting whole conversations from FB to
be posted here.

If a staff member posts and announcement, such as build release, new
webinar, reduced rates for MyHeritage or upgrade prices for Legacy or
Legacy products = THOSE should be posted on the LUG list. Tips would
also be nice. How-to only if someone on the LUG list asks.

How hard is that to understand?

FB Notifications are IMPOSSIBLE. I've turned them off in most of the
groups I am a member of (I have no "Friends" on FB as they're insane
as well - I've seen some of the threads and no way do I have the time
or energy for that nonsense!) and have few showing only in FB. I will
not get them by text or email. Even if they're not Legacy posts.

FB is so changeable that FB Purity has a hard time keeping up. Plus it
seems to slow FB down, at least for me.

I do subscribe to the LUG email. However, it seems that FB is quicker
for notifications as those are posted right away and the LUG email is
generally quite behind.


S.



On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 4:56 PM Cathy Pinner  wrote:
>
> The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list is
> that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet access.
>
> Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally
> unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the
> originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often
> tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the
> knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help
> with useful stuff.
>
> There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have
> them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook
> and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook "toolbar".
>
> RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if
> you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.
> Here is where you can subscribe. https://legacyfamilytree.com/Subscribe.asp
>
> As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups
> and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my
> personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B.
> Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications
> so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.
>
> Cathy
>

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Cathy Pinner]

The reason that pictures and attachments are not allowed on this list is 
that apparently some people still have limited and/or slow internet access.


Note expecting posts on Facebook to be copied here is totally 
unrealistic. I mostly post comments that make no sense without the 
originating post and the following discussion. My comments are often 
tips or step by step directions on how to do something. Most of the 
knowledgeable people on FB do the same. Respond to requests for help 
with useful stuff.


There are various ways to get notifications on Facebook. You can have 
them emailed to you which I think would be a nightmare. I open Facebook 
and see them there on the Notification symbol on the Facebook "toolbar".


RE Webinar announcements, most are also in the Legacy News email so if 
you want them, make sure you get Legacy News by email.

Here is where you can subscribe. https://legacyfamilytree.com/Subscribe.asp

As Michele pointed out you can join Facebook and participate in Groups 
and not engage in any of the Friend stuff. I only sometimes look at my 
personal newsfeed. I rarely if ever post on my own page. I use F.B. 
Purity to get rid of ads and to control the order of the Notifications 
so they are time ordered rather than what FB thinks I should see first.


Cathy


Jeff <mailto:malka...@orthohelp.com>
Wednesday, 9 January 2019 6:42 AM
+1
Not even once a month on Facebook!





Ian Thomas <mailto:il.tho...@outlook.com>
Wednesday, 9 January 2019 5:55 AM
Sherry - you have just enumerated all the desires (for a much better 
LUG email list) that I silently think about. Pictures on this list 
would be a major improvement.


I have had a FB account for 10 years but I probably use FB (not the 
Legacy group, which I don't belong to) about once monthly.


Frankly, I'm pleased to see the FB organization withering and being 
held to some) account for its transgressions.


Ian Thomas
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] 
On Behalf Of Sherry H

Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019 3:29 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't 
keep up with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do 
in mailing lists


It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste 
it into an email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the 
mailing list won't get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB 
page but there's no reason they can't get announcements or other 
pertinent information about Legacy.


*Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
*It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching 
in a FB group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
*Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still 
there in my face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
*If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can 
cut down on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen 
spam on any of the mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade 
through all the ads that FB puts in a group. A moderated list can also 
put a stop to a thread by rejecting posts *Polls can be sent on 
mailing lists as well. I just responded to one on a book list.
*I can choose to save emails that are of particular interest to me or 
delete ones I have no interest in. They're all lumped together on FB.

*All the graphics on a FB page are annoying.
*Mailing lists *can* allow pictures. Up to the list owner.

I've been using FB for a few Christian groups and still not a fan - I 
so wish they were mailing lists instead!


Sherry

Sherry H <mailto:hot.rod.w...@gmail.com>
Wednesday, 9 January 2019 12:28 AM
I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't
keep up with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do
in mailing lists

It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste
it into an email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the
mailing list won't get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB
page but there's no reason they can't get announcements or other
pertinent information about Legacy.

*Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
*It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching
in a FB group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
*Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still
there in my face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
*If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can
cut down on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen
spam on any of the mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade
through all the ads that FB puts in a group. A moderated list can also
put a stop to a thread by rejecting posts
*Polls can be sent on mailing lists as w

Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Jeff]

+1
Not even once a month on Facebook!

On January 8, 2019 4:56:11 PM Ian Thomas  wrote:

> Sherry - you have just enumerated all the desires (for a much better LUG 
> email list) that I silently think about. Pictures on this list would be a 
> major improvement.
>
> I have had a FB account for 10 years but  I probably use FB (not the Legacy 
> group, which I don't belong to) about once monthly.
>
> Frankly, I'm pleased to see the FB organization withering and being held to 
> some) account for its transgressions.
>
> Ian Thomas
> Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia
>
> -Original Message-
> From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
> Behalf Of Sherry H
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019 3:29 AM
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook
>
> I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't keep up 
> with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do in mailing lists
>
> It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste it into 
> an email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the mailing list 
> won't get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB page but there's no 
> reason they can't get announcements or other pertinent information about 
> Legacy.
>
> *Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
> *It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching in a FB 
> group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
> *Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still there in 
> my face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
> *If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can cut 
> down on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen spam on any 
> of the mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade through all the ads that 
> FB puts in a group. A moderated list can also put a stop to a thread by 
> rejecting posts *Polls can be sent on mailing lists as well. I just responded 
> to one on a book list.
> *I can choose to save emails that are of particular interest to me or delete 
> ones I have no interest in. They're all lumped together on FB.
> *All the graphics on a FB page are annoying.
> *Mailing lists *can* allow pictures. Up to the list owner.
>
> I've been using FB for a few Christian groups and still not a fan - I so wish 
> they were mailing lists instead!
>
> Sherry
>
> On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:58 AM Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup 
>  wrote:
>>
>> We have some complaints about the Facebook LUG getting more
>> information than the email LUG. I wanted to explain why that is. The
>> Facebook LUG is in a much easier format to post information. I can do
>> ten times as much stuff on the Facebook LUG than I can do here and a lot 
>> faster.
>>
>> *Conversations are threaded so it is much easier to follow the
>> conversations
>>
>> *You don't have to worry about "trimming" emails to make them more
>> readable (and most people don't do this anyways) *It is very easy to
>> search the group for past posts.
>> *There is a section where we can upload files that are accessible to
>> everyone *We have "sticky" announcements *Upcoming webinars are
>> announced as well as links to the Legacy News posts *We can delete
>> spam *We can close comments on a thread that has run its course *You
>> can post screenshots which makes understanding problems (and
>> explaining
>> problems) so much easier
>> *You can create polls (fun!)
>>
>> There are 1579 members of the email LUG.  There are 18,963 members of
>> the Facebook LUG
>>
>> I know that there are some of you that have sworn you will never join
>> Facebook. Unfortunately you will be missing out on some things. I
>> can't make this email list do all of the things that Facebook can do.
>>
>> You can easily join Facebook and change your privacy settings so that
>> you are pretty much incognito. You can make it so that no one can send
>> you friend requests. You can format your name in such a way that it
>> isn't obvious who you are (you can't post a fake name per Facebook
>> rules but there is some flexibility). You can pretty much block
>> everything. You need to go into the Privacy settings (all of the
>> settings really) and go line by line to get it set up like you want.
>> We have users that have Facebook for no other reason that the LUG
>> group. I also HIGHLY recommend the browser extension F.B. Purity. It
>> works with Facebook to give a TON of options on what you see and what
>> you don't see. It gets rid of all the junk stuff (like ads).

Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Ian Thomas]

Sherry - you have just enumerated all the desires (for a much better LUG email 
list) that I silently think about. Pictures on this list would be a major 
improvement.

I have had a FB account for 10 years but  I probably use FB (not the Legacy 
group, which I don't belong to) about once monthly. 

Frankly, I'm pleased to see the FB organization withering and being held to 
some) account for its transgressions.

Ian Thomas 
Albert Park, Victoria 3206 Australia

-Original Message-
From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:legacyusergroup-boun...@legacyusers.com] On 
Behalf Of Sherry H
Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2019 3:29 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't keep up with 
it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do in mailing lists

It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste it into an 
email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the mailing list won't 
get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB page but there's no reason 
they can't get announcements or other pertinent information about Legacy.

*Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
*It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching in a FB 
group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
*Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still there in my 
face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
*If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can cut down 
on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen spam on any of the 
mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade through all the ads that FB puts 
in a group. A moderated list can also put a stop to a thread by rejecting posts 
*Polls can be sent on mailing lists as well. I just responded to one on a book 
list.
*I can choose to save emails that are of particular interest to me or delete 
ones I have no interest in. They're all lumped together on FB.
*All the graphics on a FB page are annoying.
*Mailing lists *can* allow pictures. Up to the list owner.

I've been using FB for a few Christian groups and still not a fan - I so wish 
they were mailing lists instead!

Sherry

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:58 AM Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup 
 wrote:
>
> We have some complaints about the Facebook LUG getting more 
> information than the email LUG. I wanted to explain why that is. The 
> Facebook LUG is in a much easier format to post information. I can do 
> ten times as much stuff on the Facebook LUG than I can do here and a lot 
> faster.
>
> *Conversations are threaded so it is much easier to follow the 
> conversations
>
> *You don't have to worry about "trimming" emails to make them more 
> readable (and most people don't do this anyways) *It is very easy to 
> search the group for past posts.
> *There is a section where we can upload files that are accessible to 
> everyone *We have "sticky" announcements *Upcoming webinars are 
> announced as well as links to the Legacy News posts *We can delete 
> spam *We can close comments on a thread that has run its course *You 
> can post screenshots which makes understanding problems (and 
> explaining
> problems) so much easier
> *You can create polls (fun!)
>
> There are 1579 members of the email LUG.  There are 18,963 members of 
> the Facebook LUG
>
> I know that there are some of you that have sworn you will never join 
> Facebook. Unfortunately you will be missing out on some things. I 
> can't make this email list do all of the things that Facebook can do.
>
> You can easily join Facebook and change your privacy settings so that 
> you are pretty much incognito. You can make it so that no one can send 
> you friend requests. You can format your name in such a way that it 
> isn't obvious who you are (you can't post a fake name per Facebook 
> rules but there is some flexibility). You can pretty much block 
> everything. You need to go into the Privacy settings (all of the 
> settings really) and go line by line to get it set up like you want. 
> We have users that have Facebook for no other reason that the LUG 
> group. I also HIGHLY recommend the browser extension F.B. Purity. It 
> works with Facebook to give a TON of options on what you see and what 
> you don't see. It gets rid of all the junk stuff (like ads).
>
> Totally up to you. I just wanted to explain why there is a difference 
> between what you see and what they see. If you change your mind, you 
> can join the Facebook LUG here: 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/LegacyUserGroup/
> Click JOIN and then you will be asked three questions before you are 
> approved. This keeps out spammers. The Administrators of the group 
> are, Geoff Rasmussen, Marian Pierre-Louis, Ron Cannon (head o

Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Sherry H]

Michele,

Not *every* post. Just announcements about Legacy, webinars, etc. And
if you decide to allow graphics in emails, then no problems. I'm on a
lot of HTML email lists. It's attachments that can get scary!

I agree with a lot of the users. I absolutely cannot handle the number
of posts to the Legacy FB page. One of my biggest gripes is the number
of posts that repeat what someone else just said. If a member sees
that a question has been satisfactorily answered, why answer it again?

I get annoyed with a lot of the groups where members just do a
one-word post that doesn't enhance the conversation at all - like
'Yes!" or "Amen!" - just hit the danged "Like" button if you agree!

Since I don't use FB for Legacy, and announcements or helpful info is
rarely posted by staff here, I feel left out of the Legacy loop.


S.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 9:15 AM Michele Lewis
 wrote:
>
> Unfortunately Marian and can't just copy and paste every post. Besides the 
> time involved, almost every post that Marian and I do have graphics.
>
> The email LUG is here for those who prefer this format and that is perfectly 
> fine but I just wanted to let everyone know there are limitations.
>
>
> Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®
> Legacy Educator
> Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
> www.legacyfamilytree.com

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook vs List

[Ian Macaulay]

HA HA I agree,   It was just a brainfart.

Ian

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 12:23 PM Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup <
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com> wrote:

> A roll call of almost 19,000 people. Nope 
>
> Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®
> Legacy Educator
> Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
> mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
> http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/
>
>
> From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf
> Of Ian Macaulay via LegacyUserGroup
> Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 12:00 PM
> To: Legacy User Group 
> Cc: Ian Macaulay 
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Facebook vs List
>
> I have no gripe about Facebook but will not use it, just because it eats
> far too much of my time.  Being a curious curator, it can probably kill.
> However I also was surprised at the numbers quoted as membership.
> Have you ever thought of doing a roll call?  Just to see  what the numbers
> really look like?
> I for one am probably signed up as a Facebook member but never go there.
> I do read the postings (At least the topics) on this list daily.
>
> Ian
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook vs List

[Brian Kelly]

The member numbers are included by Facebook when I am in the group and 
click on the members link in the left hand menu. The count is also 
included in the members section of the About page for the group.


You are listed as a member of the group so you can visit the group page 
and confirm for yourself that Michele quoted the correct member count.


Brian Kelly

On 08-Jan.-19 11:59 a.m., Ian Macaulay via LegacyUserGroup wrote:

I have no gripe about Facebook but will not use it, just because it eats
far too much of my time.  Being a curious curator, it can probably kill.
However I also was surprised at the numbers quoted as membership.
Have you ever thought of doing a roll call?  Just to see  what the numbers
really look like?
I for one am probably signed up as a Facebook member but never go there.  I
do read the postings (At least the topics) on this list daily.

Ian





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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook vs List

[Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup]

A roll call of almost 19,000 people. Nope   

Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®
Legacy Educator
Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
mailto:mich...@legacyfamilytree.com 
http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/  


From: LegacyUserGroup  On Behalf Of 
Ian Macaulay via LegacyUserGroup
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 12:00 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Cc: Ian Macaulay 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Facebook vs List

I have no gripe about Facebook but will not use it, just because it eats far 
too much of my time.  Being a curious curator, it can probably kill.
However I also was surprised at the numbers quoted as membership.
Have you ever thought of doing a roll call?  Just to see  what the numbers 
really look like?
I for one am probably signed up as a Facebook member but never go there.  I do 
read the postings (At least the topics) on this list daily.  

Ian


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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup]

Unfortunately Marian and can't just copy and paste every post. Besides the time 
involved, almost every post that Marian and I do have graphics. 

The email LUG is here for those who prefer this format and that is perfectly 
fine but I just wanted to let everyone know there are limitations. 


Michele Simmons Lewis, CG®
Legacy Educator
Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
mich...@legacyfamilytree.com 
www.legacyfamilytree.com  


-Original Message-
From: Sherry H  
Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 11:29 AM
To: Legacy User Group 
Cc: Michele Lewis 
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't keep up with 
it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do in mailing lists

It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste it into an 
email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the mailing list won't 
get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB page but there's no reason 
they can't get announcements or other pertinent information about Legacy.

*Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
*It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching in a FB 
group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
*Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still there in my 
face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
*If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can cut down 
on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen spam on any of the 
mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade through all the ads that FB puts 
in a group. A moderated list can also put a stop to a thread by rejecting posts 
*Polls can be sent on mailing lists as well. I just responded to one on a book 
list.
*I can choose to save emails that are of particular interest to me or delete 
ones I have no interest in. They're all lumped together on FB.
*All the graphics on a FB page are annoying.
*Mailing lists *can* allow pictures. Up to the list owner.

I've been using FB for a few Christian groups and still not a fan - I so wish 
they were mailing lists instead!

Sherry

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:58 AM Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup 
 wrote:
>
> We have some complaints about the Facebook LUG getting more 
> information than the email LUG. I wanted to explain why that is. The 
> Facebook LUG is in a much easier format to post information. I can do 
> ten times as much stuff on the Facebook LUG than I can do here and a lot 
> faster.
>
> *Conversations are threaded so it is much easier to follow the 
> conversations
>
> *You don't have to worry about "trimming" emails to make them more 
> readable (and most people don't do this anyways) *It is very easy to 
> search the group for past posts.
> *There is a section where we can upload files that are accessible to 
> everyone *We have "sticky" announcements *Upcoming webinars are 
> announced as well as links to the Legacy News posts *We can delete 
> spam *We can close comments on a thread that has run its course *You 
> can post screenshots which makes understanding problems (and 
> explaining
> problems) so much easier
> *You can create polls (fun!)
>
> There are 1579 members of the email LUG.  There are 18,963 members of 
> the Facebook LUG
>
> I know that there are some of you that have sworn you will never join 
> Facebook. Unfortunately you will be missing out on some things. I 
> can't make this email list do all of the things that Facebook can do.
>
> You can easily join Facebook and change your privacy settings so that 
> you are pretty much incognito. You can make it so that no one can send 
> you friend requests. You can format your name in such a way that it 
> isn't obvious who you are (you can't post a fake name per Facebook 
> rules but there is some flexibility). You can pretty much block 
> everything. You need to go into the Privacy settings (all of the 
> settings really) and go line by line to get it set up like you want. 
> We have users that have Facebook for no other reason that the LUG 
> group. I also HIGHLY recommend the browser extension F.B. Purity. It 
> works with Facebook to give a TON of options on what you see and what 
> you don't see. It gets rid of all the junk stuff (like ads).
>
> Totally up to you. I just wanted to explain why there is a difference 
> between what you see and what they see. If you change your mind, you 
> can join the Facebook LUG here: 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/LegacyUserGroup/
> Click JOIN and then you will be asked three questions before you are 
> approved. This keeps out spammers. The Administrators of the group 
> are, Geoff Rasmussen, Marian Pierre-Louis, Ron Cannon (head of tech 
> support), and I. The moderators are John Lisle and Cathy Pinner, two 
> names I am sure you ar

Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Carolyn White via LegacyUserGroup]

 I have "followed" the FB page for a while but even though I'm signed up for 
notifications, I never get one (and because of that I never remember to go to 
the page).  I second the usefulness of the email list.
Carolyn White

On Tuesday, January 8, 2019, 11:35:11 AM EST, Sherry H 
 wrote:  
 
 I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't
keep up with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do
in mailing lists

It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste
it into an email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the
mailing list won't get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB
page but there's no reason they can't get announcements or other
pertinent information about Legacy.

*Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
*It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching
in a FB group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
*Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still
there in my face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
*If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can
cut down on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen
spam on any of the mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade
through all the ads that FB puts in a group. A moderated list can also
put a stop to a thread by rejecting posts
*Polls can be sent on mailing lists as well. I just responded to one
on a book list.
*I can choose to save emails that are of particular interest to me or
delete ones I have no interest in. They're all lumped together on FB.
*All the graphics on a FB page are annoying.
*Mailing lists *can* allow pictures. Up to the list owner.

I've been using FB for a few Christian groups and still not a fan - I
so wish they were mailing lists instead!

Sherry

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:58 AM Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup
 wrote:
>
> We have some complaints about the Facebook LUG getting more information than
> the email LUG. I wanted to explain why that is. The Facebook LUG is in a
> much easier format to post information. I can do ten times as much stuff on
> the Facebook LUG than I can do here and a lot faster.
>
> *Conversations are threaded so it is much easier to follow the conversations
>
> *You don't have to worry about "trimming" emails to make them more readable
> (and most people don't do this anyways)
> *It is very easy to search the group for past posts.
> *There is a section where we can upload files that are accessible to
> everyone
> *We have "sticky" announcements
> *Upcoming webinars are announced as well as links to the Legacy News posts
> *We can delete spam
> *We can close comments on a thread that has run its course
> *You can post screenshots which makes understanding problems (and explaining
> problems) so much easier
> *You can create polls (fun!)
>
> There are 1579 members of the email LUG.  There are 18,963 members of the
> Facebook LUG
>
> I know that there are some of you that have sworn you will never join
> Facebook. Unfortunately you will be missing out on some things. I can't make
> this email list do all of the things that Facebook can do.
>
> You can easily join Facebook and change your privacy settings so that you
> are pretty much incognito. You can make it so that no one can send you
> friend requests. You can format your name in such a way that it isn't
> obvious who you are (you can't post a fake name per Facebook rules but there
> is some flexibility). You can pretty much block everything. You need to go
> into the Privacy settings (all of the settings really) and go line by line
> to get it set up like you want. We have users that have Facebook for no
> other reason that the LUG group. I also HIGHLY recommend the browser
> extension F.B. Purity. It works with Facebook to give a TON of options on
> what you see and what you don't see. It gets rid of all the junk stuff (like
> ads).
>
> Totally up to you. I just wanted to explain why there is a difference
> between what you see and what they see. If you change your mind, you can
> join the Facebook LUG here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/LegacyUserGroup/
> Click JOIN and then you will be asked three questions before you are
> approved. This keeps out spammers. The Administrators of the group are,
> Geoff Rasmussen, Marian Pierre-Louis, Ron Cannon (head of tech support), and
> I. The moderators are John Lisle and Cathy Pinner, two names I am sure you
> are familiar with.
>
> In addition, we also have separate LUGS for the Dutch
> (https://www.facebook.com/groups/LegacyNederlands/) and the Danes
> (https://www.facebook.com/groups/198010627281215/)  These two groups are
> admin'd by the Legacy Translation Teams. I am also admin on these two groups
> in case I am needed but I don't actively post there (my Dutch and Danish are
> a bit weak).
>
> I hope this information helps.
>
>
> Michele Simmons Lewis, CGR
> Legacy Educator
> Legacy Family 

Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Sherry H]

I tried to follow the LUG FB page and it's totally insane. I can't
keep up with it. People hijack threads on FB just as often as they do
in mailing lists

It can't take that long to copy a post you just made to FB and paste
it into an email. No need to retype the entire post. The people on the
mailing list won't get the follow-ups by the group that are on the FB
page but there's no reason they can't get announcements or other
pertinent information about Legacy.

*Many email programs can thread a conversation for you.
*It's very easy to search emails - I think much easier than searching
in a FB group, esp if the emails have a good subject line.
*Sticky announcements are annoying - once I've read it, it's still
there in my face and I can't get rid of it. I can delete an email.
*If a mailing list is moderated, either members or posts, then you can
cut down on spam. In fact, I can't remember the last time I've seen
spam on any of the mailing lists I'm on. On FB, you have to wade
through all the ads that FB puts in a group. A moderated list can also
put a stop to a thread by rejecting posts
*Polls can be sent on mailing lists as well. I just responded to one
on a book list.
*I can choose to save emails that are of particular interest to me or
delete ones I have no interest in. They're all lumped together on FB.
*All the graphics on a FB page are annoying.
*Mailing lists *can* allow pictures. Up to the list owner.

I've been using FB for a few Christian groups and still not a fan - I
so wish they were mailing lists instead!

Sherry

On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 5:58 AM Michele Lewis via LegacyUserGroup
 wrote:
>
> We have some complaints about the Facebook LUG getting more information than
> the email LUG. I wanted to explain why that is. The Facebook LUG is in a
> much easier format to post information. I can do ten times as much stuff on
> the Facebook LUG than I can do here and a lot faster.
>
> *Conversations are threaded so it is much easier to follow the conversations
>
> *You don't have to worry about "trimming" emails to make them more readable
> (and most people don't do this anyways)
> *It is very easy to search the group for past posts.
> *There is a section where we can upload files that are accessible to
> everyone
> *We have "sticky" announcements
> *Upcoming webinars are announced as well as links to the Legacy News posts
> *We can delete spam
> *We can close comments on a thread that has run its course
> *You can post screenshots which makes understanding problems (and explaining
> problems) so much easier
> *You can create polls (fun!)
>
> There are 1579 members of the email LUG.  There are 18,963 members of the
> Facebook LUG
>
> I know that there are some of you that have sworn you will never join
> Facebook. Unfortunately you will be missing out on some things. I can't make
> this email list do all of the things that Facebook can do.
>
> You can easily join Facebook and change your privacy settings so that you
> are pretty much incognito. You can make it so that no one can send you
> friend requests. You can format your name in such a way that it isn't
> obvious who you are (you can't post a fake name per Facebook rules but there
> is some flexibility). You can pretty much block everything. You need to go
> into the Privacy settings (all of the settings really) and go line by line
> to get it set up like you want. We have users that have Facebook for no
> other reason that the LUG group. I also HIGHLY recommend the browser
> extension F.B. Purity. It works with Facebook to give a TON of options on
> what you see and what you don't see. It gets rid of all the junk stuff (like
> ads).
>
> Totally up to you. I just wanted to explain why there is a difference
> between what you see and what they see. If you change your mind, you can
> join the Facebook LUG here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/LegacyUserGroup/
> Click JOIN and then you will be asked three questions before you are
> approved. This keeps out spammers. The Administrators of the group are,
> Geoff Rasmussen, Marian Pierre-Louis, Ron Cannon (head of tech support), and
> I. The moderators are John Lisle and Cathy Pinner, two names I am sure you
> are familiar with.
>
> In addition, we also have separate LUGS for the Dutch
> (https://www.facebook.com/groups/LegacyNederlands/) and the Danes
> (https://www.facebook.com/groups/198010627281215/)  These two groups are
> admin'd by the Legacy Translation Teams. I am also admin on these two groups
> in case I am needed but I don't actively post there (my Dutch and Danish are
> a bit weak).
>
> I hope this information helps.
>
>
> Michele Simmons Lewis, CGR
> Legacy Educator
> Legacy Family Tree/MyHeritage
> mich...@legacyfamilytree.com
> www.legacyfamilytree.com
>
>
>
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook or mailing list

[Cathy Pinner]

Gordon,
You can search the Facebook group. There are various controls to limit 
the results. The search may not be quite as good as the search of the 
email archives but either it's better than it was or I've learnt how to 
use it better.


But there's nothing to stop people asking the same question again on FB 
just as there's nothing to stop people asking the same question again 
here on the mailing list. Few check the list archives before asking.


Cathy

Gordon Findlay wrote:


The problem with Facebook as a platform for user group support is that
there is no real archive.

I answered a question I had about Legacy the other day using an
archived email message from about 3 years ago.

Facebook is designed to focus on the most recent activity only. It is
hopeless as an archive.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook or mailing list

[Ronald Bernier]

You do realize that non Legacy users can subscribe to this mailing list just as 
easily as they can “apply” to join the Facebook group.  The mailing list is no 
more or no less family than the Facebook group is.

Ronald Bernier
Woonsocket, RI
USA
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 8:02 PM, DonnaMcR  wrote:
> 
> And on this mailing list I feel I can grouse a little bit if I need to.  I 
> realize the FB group is restricted to members only, but it is still more 
> public.  I don’t want to criticize Legacy in public, as it has been a  
> wonderful program for me, and I don’t want non-users to misunderstand.  The 
> mailing list is more “in the family.”
>  
> Donna
>  
>  
> From: Gordon Findlay
> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:29 PM
> To: Legacy User Group
> Subject: [LegacyUG] Facebook or mailing list
>  
> The problem with Facebook as a platform for user group support is that there 
> is no real archive.
>  
> I answered a question I had about Legacy the other day using an archived 
> email message from about 3 years ago.
>  
> Facebook is designed to focus on the most recent activity only. It is 
> hopeless as an archive.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook or mailing list

[DonnaMcR]

And on this mailing list I feel I can grouse a little bit if I need to.  I 
realize the FB group is restricted to members only, but it is still more 
public.  I don’t want to criticize Legacy in public, as it has been a wonderful 
program for me, and I don’t want non-users to misunderstand.  The mailing list 
is more “in the family.”

Donna


From: Gordon Findlay 
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2017 6:29 PM
To: Legacy User Group 
Subject: [LegacyUG] Facebook or mailing list

The problem with Facebook as a platform for user group support is that there is 
no real archive. 

I answered a question I had about Legacy the other day using an archived email 
message from about 3 years ago. 

Facebook is designed to focus on the most recent activity only. It is hopeless 
as an archive. 




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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Cathy Pinner]

Rob,
The FB group is a closed group so can't be viewed unless you join.

It is possible to join FB and not "friend" anyone and just join FB groups.

It's also possible to tie down your privacy so tight that no-one else 
can see anything but your name.


Besides posts to groups don't appear on your "Timeline". I very rarely 
post to my Timeline and when I do, I tend to target to particular 
"friends lists".


Being able to post screenshots and reference other answers is a great 
help when responding to questions. Some questions aren't clear until 
someone posts a screenshot.


Cathy

carogene wrote:


The major advantage is that you can attach a picture or screen shot.
For me a picture speaks 1000 words, I have learnt so much in recent
weeks, and thats before I explore all the saved posts.
May I suggest you at least take a look at the posts from Michelle,
Cathy and Wendy.

Carolyn
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Rob Vader]

Is there a possibility to configure this FB group so that people can read
it without being a member of FBwhich I do not want to be. Or is this
completely impossibleand then again, what is the advantage of FB over
LUG?

Rob Vader

2016-04-08 10:44 GMT+02:00 Leon Chapman :

> There are two Facebook groups for Legacy - one is announcements at
> https://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree, which Bobby may be thinking
> of, and the other is the Legacy Users Group at
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/372110202980118/
>
> On the first group, users can't initiate posts but can respond to
> them. On the Users group, anyone can initiate a moderated post.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Sherry
> Technical Support
> Legacy Family Tree
>
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>
> On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Pat Hickin  wrote:
>
>> Obviously, I haven't been keeping up.  What is this about Facebook?  I
>> have an account but don't use it much and I don't know how to find Legacy
>> on Facebook.  Tell me, please.
>> Thanks,
>> Pat
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Leon Chapman]

There are two Facebook groups for Legacy - one is announcements at
https://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree, which Bobby may be thinking
of, and the other is the Legacy Users Group at
https://www.facebook.com/groups/372110202980118/

On the first group, users can't initiate posts but can respond to
them. On the Users group, anyone can initiate a moderated post.



Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree

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> Obviously, I haven't been keeping up.  What is this about Facebook?  I
> have an account but don't use it much and I don't know how to find Legacy
> on Facebook.  Tell me, please.
> Thanks,
> Pat
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RE: [LegacyUG] facebook becomes a primary source

[Michele/Support]

Barb,

I wouldn’t use Facebook as a source per se.  I would use the PERSON that owns 
the Facebook page as the source.  I would either use the personal knowledge 
template or maybe the interview template.  In the detail comments I would write 
HOW the person knows the birth or death to be true.  If it is the mother or 
father of the baby posting then it is a no brainer.  “John is Megan’s father 
and was present at the birth.”If it is a death, “Mary is the Josephine’s 
daughter and was present at the hospital when she died.”



As far the as the photos go, make sure you get permission to download and use 
them in your file. I use the photo notes area for this information.   “Photo by 
David Anderson, used with permission.”



Michele

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From: Barbara Schwarting [mailto:bschwart...@twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2014 6:29 AM
To: legacyusergroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] facebook becomes a primary source



How are listers handling facebook as a source for births, deaths, and etc?  
During the past month I’ve received notification of two deaths and two births 
through facebook..  The births had pictures from the hospital. 



I would appreciate your thoughts regarding the use of these and how you 
document and use the photos.



Barb







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Re: [LegacyUG] facebook becomes a primary source

[Wendy Howard]

I have created a Basic Source:

Source List Name: Website - Facebook.com
Type: Web Site
Title: www.facebook.com

All other fields are blank.

When I use this source, I put the pertinent information about the post
concerned in the Source Detail, ie the name of the person under whose
account the post was made (their real name as well as their Facebook
name, if they're different), the date of the post, when I read it
(retrieved). Depending on the situation, I often also put a copy of
the post itself in the Text field.

Hope this helps. :-)

Wendy

Barbara Schwarting said the following on 10/11/2014 00:28:
 How are listers handling facebook as a source for births, deaths, and
 etc?  During the past month I’ve received notification of two deaths
 and two births through facebook..  The births had pictures from the
 hospital.
 I would appreciate your thoughts regarding the use of these and how
 you document and use the photos.
 Barb



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Re: [LegacyUG] facebook becomes a primary source

[Brian/Support]

I use a SourceWriter style source using the Message broads/forum template.
Name Facebook
Name of Forum Facebook
Type of Forum Social Network
URL www.Facebook.com

Using that template the details for each citation include:
Author Last Name
Author Given names
Author Suffix
Title: If it is a status update I use the intro to the post for data
from info pages such as About I use the name of the page.
Date: The date of the post for status updates, I usually leave this
blank for about info unless that includes a date.
Date Access: self explanatory

I will also usually use copy and paste from Facebook to complete the
Text of the source.

Brian
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On 09/11/2014 3:01 PM, Wendy Howard wrote:
 I have created a Basic Source:

 Source List Name: Website - Facebook.com
 Type: Web Site
 Title: www.facebook.com

 All other fields are blank.

 When I use this source, I put the pertinent information about the post
 concerned in the Source Detail, ie the name of the person under whose
 account the post was made (their real name as well as their Facebook
 name, if they're different), the date of the post, when I read it
 (retrieved). Depending on the situation, I often also put a copy of
 the post itself in the Text field.

 Hope this helps. :-)

 Wendy

 Barbara Schwarting said the following on 10/11/2014 00:28:
 How are listers handling facebook as a source for births, deaths, and
 etc?  During the past month I’ve received notification of two deaths
 and two births through facebook..  The births had pictures from the
 hospital.
 I would appreciate your thoughts regarding the use of these and how
 you document and use the photos.
 Barb



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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Roxanne]

My own son had his birthday wrong by one day on Facebook. It's a good thing I 
corrected him!

Roxanne Wolfe



 From: Robert  E. Carneal kentuckygenealog...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook


I hope Millennia doesn't tell me to be quite, but that is my point.  Facebook 
is not telling you that, JANE DOE is! Jane Doe is the source, not Facebook!

I.e., I am against crediting Facebook because of this example:

Laura Smith sees Uncle Joe's wife's Jane's birthday on Facebook.  She copies 
Jane's birthday into Legacy, and sources Facebook. Ten years later, Laura's son 
discover the birthday is wrong by six years.  

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Syble Glasscock]

I totally agree, information on Facebook should not be trusted.  It's well 
documtented that Facebook uses your information for their gain, so why would 
anyone want all their information on there to be correct.
Syble

From: David C Abernathy da...@schmeckabernathy.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook


Robert, I agree with you. FaceBook, Ancestry, Family Search and etc are NOT 
the source but MAY be a repository. The REAL resource is the document, book, 
census and etc.
 
Thanks,
David C Abernathy
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From:Robert E. Carneal [mailto:kentuckygenealog...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook
 
I hope Millennia doesn't tell me to be quite, but that is my point.  Facebook 
is not telling you that, JANE DOE is! Jane Doe is the source, not Facebook!

I.e., I am against crediting Facebook because of this example:

Laura Smith sees Uncle Joe's wife's Jane's birthday on Facebook.  She copies 
Jane's birthday into Legacy, and sources Facebook. Ten years later, Laura's 
son discover the birthday is wrong by six years.  Ok, who gave his mother that 
information? Facebook? Ok, but WHO on Facebook?  Just Facebook is credited.  
Then the son cannot go back and check. That's awful and so easy to prevent.

Now, had Laura instead said the information was on Joe's personal page, then 
the son can go to Joe (if he is alive) and get correct information. I said it 
before, and I will say it again. People's Facebook pages *cannot* be trusted. 
People will lie about their locations, lie about the birth dates, heck, even 
some of my friends have lied about their job on Facebook. I have a friend who 
works here in where I live and he put down he lived in New York state! You 
just can't trust Facebook data.

I have gotten Gedcoms where some of the sources simply said Facebook 
Corporation. No name given to check verify those sources! No email, no home 
address, nothing. I immediately ditched those Gedcoms!! It could have been 
made up.

Now I will shut up about Facebook.

Thank you.

Robert
Genealogy without documentation is mythology! Always SOURCE your work.


On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Bob pioneer...@hotmail.com wrote:
Sorry to disagree but I think Facebook and its companion site We are
Related can be excellent sources.  If Jane Doe tells me about her
immediate family, it can be considered accurate especially since there
are no records yet on these members - remember privacy laws.  I do like
the interview suggestion,though.  Thanks.

On 11/23/2011 11:39 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
 Just out of curiosity, WHY would you want to use Facebook as a source?  If
 you are talking with Mr. John Doe on Facebook and he gives you some
 information that you need then I would source it as an interview with the
 person.   (And, I would then try and find the information myself so that I
 could source it properly.  Hearsay from someone isn't really a proper
 source.)



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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Bob]

Sorry to disagree but I think Facebook and its companion site We are
Related can be excellent sources.  If Jane Doe tells me about her
immediate family, it can be considered accurate especially since there
are no records yet on these members - remember privacy laws.  I do like
the interview suggestion,though.  Thanks.

On 11/23/2011 11:39 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
 Just out of curiosity, WHY would you want to use Facebook as a source?  If
 you are talking with Mr. John Doe on Facebook and he gives you some
 information that you need then I would source it as an interview with the
 person.   (And, I would then try and find the information myself so that I
 could source it properly.  Hearsay from someone isn't really a proper
 source.)

 michele

 -Original Message-
 From: Bob
 Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:47 AM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: [LegacyUG] Facebook

 Has any come up with a good method to cite Facebook and other social
 media sites.  i am planning on using the Generic Website template but
 wonder if there is a better way?
 Thank you


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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Robert E. Carneal]

*I hope Millennia doesn't tell me to be quite, but that is my point.
Facebook is not telling you that, JANE DOE is! Jane Doe is the source, not
Facebook!

I.e., I am against crediting Facebook because of this example:

Laura Smith sees Uncle Joe's wife's Jane's birthday on Facebook.  She
copies Jane's birthday into Legacy, and sources Facebook. Ten years later,
Laura's son discover the birthday is wrong by six years.  Ok, who gave his
mother that information? Facebook? Ok, but WHO on Facebook?  Just Facebook
is credited.  Then the son cannot go back and check. That's awful and so
easy to prevent.

Now, had Laura instead said the information was on Joe's personal page,
then the son can go to Joe (if he is alive) and get correct information. I
said it before, and I will say it again. People's Facebook pages *cannot*
be trusted. People will lie about their locations, lie about the birth
dates, heck, even some of my friends have lied about their job on Facebook.
I have a friend who works here in where I live and he put down he lived in
New York state! You just can't trust Facebook data.

I have gotten Gedcoms where some of the sources simply said Facebook
Corporation. No name given to check verify those sources! No email, no
home address, nothing. I immediately ditched those Gedcoms!! It could have
been made up.

Now I will shut up about Facebook.

**Thank you.

**Robert*
*Genealogy without documentation is mythology! Always SOURCE your work.*


On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Bob pioneer...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Sorry to disagree but I think Facebook and its companion site We are
 Related can be excellent sources.  If Jane Doe tells me about her
 immediate family, it can be considered accurate especially since there
 are no records yet on these members - remember privacy laws.  I do like
 the interview suggestion,though.  Thanks.

 On 11/23/2011 11:39 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
  Just out of curiosity, WHY would you want to use Facebook as a source?
  If
  you are talking with Mr. John Doe on Facebook and he gives you some
  information that you need then I would source it as an interview with the
  person.   (And, I would then try and find the information myself so that
 I
  could source it properly.  Hearsay from someone isn't really a proper
  source.)



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RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[David C Abernathy]

Robert, I agree with you. FaceBook, Ancestry, Family Search and etc are NOT the 
source but MAY be a repository. The REAL resource is the document, book, census 
and etc.



Thanks,
David C Abernathy
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From: Robert E. Carneal [mailto:kentuckygenealog...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 8:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook



I hope Millennia doesn't tell me to be quite, but that is my point.  Facebook 
is not telling you that, JANE DOE is! Jane Doe is the source, not Facebook!

I.e., I am against crediting Facebook because of this example:

Laura Smith sees Uncle Joe's wife's Jane's birthday on Facebook.  She copies 
Jane's birthday into Legacy, and sources Facebook. Ten years later, Laura's son 
discover the birthday is wrong by six years.  Ok, who gave his mother that 
information? Facebook? Ok, but WHO on Facebook?  Just Facebook is credited.  
Then the son cannot go back and check. That's awful and so easy to prevent.

Now, had Laura instead said the information was on Joe's personal page, then 
the son can go to Joe (if he is alive) and get correct information. I said it 
before, and I will say it again. People's Facebook pages *cannot* be trusted. 
People will lie about their locations, lie about the birth dates, heck, even 
some of my friends have lied about their job on Facebook. I have a friend who 
works here in where I live and he put down he lived in New York state! You just 
can't trust Facebook data.

I have gotten Gedcoms where some of the sources simply said Facebook 
Corporation. No name given to check verify those sources! No email, no home 
address, nothing. I immediately ditched those Gedcoms!! It could have been made 
up.

Now I will shut up about Facebook.

Thank you.

Robert
Genealogy without documentation is mythology! Always SOURCE your work.



On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Bob pioneer...@hotmail.com wrote:

Sorry to disagree but I think Facebook and its companion site We are
Related can be excellent sources.  If Jane Doe tells me about her
immediate family, it can be considered accurate especially since there
are no records yet on these members - remember privacy laws.  I do like
the interview suggestion,though.  Thanks.

On 11/23/2011 11:39 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
 Just out of curiosity, WHY would you want to use Facebook as a source?  If
 you are talking with Mr. John Doe on Facebook and he gives you some
 information that you need then I would source it as an interview with the
 person.   (And, I would then try and find the information myself so that I
 could source it properly.  Hearsay from someone isn't really a proper
 source.)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[cranberryfrog]

Just out of curiosity, WHY would you want to use Facebook as a source?  If
you are talking with Mr. John Doe on Facebook and he gives you some
information that you need then I would source it as an interview with the
person.   (And, I would then try and find the information myself so that I
could source it properly.  Hearsay from someone isn't really a proper
source.)

michele

-Original Message-
From: Bob
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 10:47 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Facebook

Has any come up with a good method to cite Facebook and other social
media sites.  i am planning on using the Generic Website template but
wonder if there is a better way?
Thank you


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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Randy Clark]

I'm gullible that way.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Sherry/Support 
she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

 Why would you believe *anything* to be credible on Facebook???


 Sincerely,
 Sherry
 Technical Support
 Legacy Family Tree



 On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote:
  If they state their birthdate and you believe it to be credible then why
 not
  source it as Facebook?
 
  On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:39 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
 
  Just out of curiosity, WHY would you want to use Facebook as a source?
  If
  you are talking with Mr. John Doe on Facebook and he gives you some
  information that you need then I would source it as an interview with
 the
  person.   (And, I would then try and find the information myself so
 that I
  could source it properly.  Hearsay from someone isn't really a proper
  source.)
 
  michele


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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Dennis M . Kowallek]

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:03:18 -0800, Sherry/Support
she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

Why would you believe *anything* to be credible on Facebook???

You might be friends with a relative that listed their birthdate on
Facebook.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[cranberryfrog]

Robert said,
“My solution:  If someone on Facebook says an ancestor of mine married so
and so, I email them and get more facts.  I will record in Legacy that Kathy
Smith said whatever.  Then I will actually get verification of those facts
through records. If I find it true, I will list Kathy as a bona fide source
(Not Facebook). If not true, I leave the information Kathy said about my
ancestor in notes. It might prove useful to refer to later, but I won't
change anything.”

I couldn’t have said it better myself, Robert!  PERFECT!

michele



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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Ron Ferguson]

Robert,

Agreed! I cannot possibly see how Facebook can be anything other than a 
repository. I have a friend in England who gives his address as California! QED.

Ron Ferguson
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From: Robert E. Carneal
Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 5:16 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

I am with you!!  Consider these facts:


  1.. Some of my friends on Facebook declared their birth city to be some other 
city besides the one they were actually born in.
  2.. Some of them lied about their birth.
  3.. Some of them lied about their jobs. Reason so they cannot be contacted at 
work.
  4.. I have friends who are parents who engage in a my child is better than 
your child type game. Report card time, they wait for their friends to say 
what their child got on a report card, and make their own child better.

Facebook, while you do have bona fide honest friends, I bet all of us have 
friends who will exaggerate to look as good as the people next door. I keep 
reminding people not to take everything at face value on Facebook.

My solution:  If someone on Facebook says an ancestor of mine married so and 
so, I email them and get more facts.  I will recond in Legacy that Kathy Smith 
said whatever.  Then I will actually get verification of those facts through 
records. If I find it true, I will list Kathy as a bona fide source (Not 
Facebook). If not true, I leave the information Kathy said about my ancestor in 
notes. It might prove useful to refer to later, but I won't change anything.

Thank you.

Robert
Genealogy without documentation is mythology! Always SOURCE your work.


On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:03 AM, Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com 
wrote:

  Why would you believe *anything* to be credible on Facebook???


  Sincerely,
  Sherry
  Technical Support
  Legacy Family Tree



  On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Randy Clark ceddaco...@gmail.com wrote:
   If they state their birthdate and you believe it to be credible then why not
   source it as Facebook?
  
   On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:39 AM, cranberryf...@cobridge.tv wrote:
  
   Just out of curiosity, WHY would you want to use Facebook as a source?  If
   you are talking with Mr. John Doe on Facebook and he gives you some
   information that you need then I would source it as an interview with the
   person.   (And, I would then try and find the information myself so that I
   could source it properly.  Hearsay from someone isn't really a proper
   source.)




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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Sherry/Support]

I was referring to personal information on individuals, not
commercial Facebook sites!

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 On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:03:18 -0800, Sherry/Support
 she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

Why would you believe *anything* to be credible on Facebook???

 I guess this isn't credible...

 http://www.facebook.com/#!/LegacyFamilyTree

 ;-)

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook

[Dennis M . Kowallek]

On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:41:47 -0800, Sherry/Support
she...@legacyfamilytree.com wrote:

I was referring to personal information on individuals, not
commercial Facebook sites!

Without getting into the source vs. repository argument, I think it is
entirely proper to use these facts (actually assertions) if one chooses
to. You can give them the lowest surety if you want. You can explain in
a comment why they are not to be believed. And you can choose not to
publish them. It all depends on one's approach. If you are lazy (like
me) you might not wish to spend time documenting most low surety
assertions. If I were not so lazy I would document all assertions, no
matter how dubious, and explain why some were better than others.

Belief that an assertion is true is not necessarily a prerequisite to
documenting the assertion. For example, my wife is a LEE. Like nearly
everyone in the U.S. whose last name is LEE, there are stories passed
down saying that they were related to Robert E. LEE. Not really
believing this, I documented it anyway. Later I refuted it with DNA
evidence to the contrary.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Scott Hall]

Picked up most of this thead this AM.  Glad to see healthy dialogue.
A couple of return thoughts.

1.  The primary reason I ask about citations is because my intent is
to publish my file--likely only to the web, but given that the
information will be accessible to others, I'm trying to meet a
standard higher than simply recording where I got the information
from.
2.  RE: Mills and Facebook, she doesn't call out Facebook specifically
with a citation, but it is included in the book, in §2.33 Core
Elements to Cite (Online Materials):

Online sources are publications with the same core elements as print
publications.  This rule applies ... [when] we are using a
social-networking site such as Facebook, MySpace, or LinkedIn. ... If
the website offers multiple items by different creators (as with the
social networking sites), it is the equivalent of a book with chapters
by different authors.  That calls for citations of ... additional
items.

The items mention include citing the title of the personal page and,
when necessary, the item's creator.

Thus, the challenge with Facebook is that using the generic source
makes it appear that, in my example, Barack Obama is the author or
creator of the website.  He, of course, isn't.  He is the author of a
page within the website.  If we treat this like a book with multiple
chapters then we should source both, but I see no Legacy template that
does this.

Internet  E-journals and e-magazines might provide the best solution:

First citation:
Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook*  (http://www.facebook.com :
accessed 9 Jun 2010)

Source list:
*Facebook*. http://www.facebook.com.

You have to ignore some of the fields, but you get the citations
above, which aren't too far off from what I think they should be.  The
Source List doesn't include the page, just the website, which after
thought might be better anyway.  It certainly means less Master
Sources, as there is now only one for all of Facebook (the rest is at
the detail level).  It also seems to be better in that the
bibliography only lists the book (that is, the website), not the
chapter (the actual page).

Scott


On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:30 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 Connie,

 I never took what you said as a criticism, and even if I had, I can take it
 (I was in public life for a few years!). Neither have I any problem with
 people discussing, or promoting the use of, Mrs Mills and her sourcing
 systems.

 In my previous post I said:

 There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be
 clear, accurate, concise
 and reproducable by others.

 Below is the output from one of the templates I use (taken from my website -
 I have removed the html styling):

 Free BMD, BMD Indexes Database (N.p.: n.p., n.d.), volume 20, page 182, Dec
 quarter 1840, Barton and Chorlton district; citing the General Register
 Office's England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes. Repository: Free BMD,
 England, [I insert the URL here] Cit. Date: 10 Feb 2009.

 Comparing this with what *I* require, it is accurate, reproducable (ie.
 others can find it), not quite concise and certainly not clear. Unless one
 is familiar with Evidence explained how would one know what (N.p.: n.p.,
 n.d.),  means? I don't need to enter these fields, ever, because it is
 attached to an Event with these details in it.

 Please don't post to tell me how to improve it,  since that is my intention,
 but I haven't got round to it as yet, and I don't use this template now.
 Actually, compared with some of my other sources this one is pretty verbose,
 usually I have less detail, just the basics.

 Anyhow that is why I do not get involved in the details of sourcing. To be
 honest, I probably prefer the old style sourcing but now have too many using
 Source writer to consider reverting back.

 Ron Ferguson
 _

 *New* Tutorial: Add Location Pins to Google Earth
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 Connie Sheets wrote:
 Ron,

 I have no problem whatsoever with your approach; nothing I ever post
 should be interpreted as a criticism of you or your approach.  It's
 just not for me in all circumstances.  One of the things I love about
 Legacy is its versatility and ability to meet the desires and needs
 of both lumpers and splitters and those of us who think we are
 moderate on the issue.

 Although I'm not an expert by any means, I do try to share what I
 have learned from Mrs. Mills and other US teachers about source
 citation practices, for those who may wish to pursue that avenue.

 Connie


 Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 Connie,

 I do not recognise the word correct in this context.
 There is no standard
 wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear,
 accurate, concise
 and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a 

RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Bill Bienia]

The reference to social networking sites such as Facebook, MySpace or 
LinkedIn was added in the 2nd Edition, as part of the discussion in Sec. 2.33, 
p. 57, and where she goes on to show that the citation requires additional 
items (same page) she has inserted personal page in the list of titles.

Bill

-Original Message-
From: Linda McCauley [mailto:lindafmccau...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

Connie,
Could you give me the page # in EE regarding Facebook. I wasn't able
to find any mention of FB in the index of my copy of the book.

Thanks,
Linda M.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Ron Ferguson]

Scott Hall wrote:
 Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from
 Facebook?  What Source Template do you use?  What does your citation
 look like?

 Thanks,
 Scott


Scott,

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Scott Hall]

Ron:

Thanks.  One problem I see with that is where do you reference the
specific page you were on?  The generic internet template only
includes source information for the website as a whole.  There isn't
really anyplace to properly source the page used.  I've tried to use
the Database template, but I can't seem to permanently clear the
Format field, which is not needed.

Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)?

Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook*
(http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010)

Obama, Barack.  Barack Obama *Facebook*.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010

Thanks,
Scott



On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 Scott Hall wrote:
 Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained from
 Facebook?  What Source Template do you use?  What does your citation
 look like?

 Thanks,
 Scott


 Scott,

 InternetwebsiteGeneric

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Ron Ferguson]

Scott,

There are fields there for Website Creator and Website Title. Have you
looked at the Source Detail? I haven't a clue as to what it *should* look
like and frankly I don't even know what that means! Nor do I know what is
meant by I can't seem to permanently clear the Format field, which is not
needed.

On the right hand side of the data entry box is shown the output. Just fill
in the data in such a way as it gives you the result you require. It doesn't
matter what the field name says, in my view.

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Scott Hall wrote:
 Ron:

 Thanks.  One problem I see with that is where do you reference the
 specific page you were on?  The generic internet template only
 includes source information for the website as a whole.  There isn't
 really anyplace to properly source the page used.  I've tried to use
 the Database template, but I can't seem to permanently clear the
 Format field, which is not needed.

 Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)?

 Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook*
 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010)

 Obama, Barack.  Barack Obama *Facebook*.
 http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010

 Thanks,
 Scott



 On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Ron Ferguson
 ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 Scott Hall wrote:
 Anyone have a citation they can provide for information obtained
 from Facebook? What Source Template do you use? What does your
 citation look like?

 Thanks,
 Scott


 Scott,

 InternetwebsiteGeneric

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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Connie Sheets]

Scott,

Ron's suggestion will provide you with exactly the citation format you are 
seeking, however, you will need to have a separate master source for Barack 
Obama's page, another for Sarah Palin's page, etc.

That doesn't bother me one bit (well, writing those two names in the same 
sentence does, but I digress), and is the method I use for websites like 
Ancestry.com or FamilySearchLabs (to which I consider Facebook analogous in 
that they are humongous sites with vast amounts of data that require splitting 
into smaller parts for purposes of citation).  However, some will consider it 
extreme splitting and therefore unacceptable.  I consider the alternative 
extreme lumping and unacceptable.

Your mileage may vary, in which case you could still use the template Ron 
suggested but put Barack Obama in the Item of Interest section of source 
detail.

Connie

Scott Hall seh0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ron:

 Thanks.  One problem I see with that is where do you
 reference the
 specific page you were on?  The generic internet
 template only
 includes source information for the website as a
 whole.  There isn't
 really anyplace to properly source the page used. 
 I've tried to use
 the Database template, but I can't seem to permanently
 clear the
 Format field, which is not needed.

 Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by
 *)?

 Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook*
 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama :
 accessed 8 June 2010)

 Obama, Barack.  Barack Obama *Facebook*.
 http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama :
 2010

 Thanks,
 Scott



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 wrote:
  Scott Hall wrote:
  Anyone have a citation they can provide for
 information obtained from
  Facebook?  What Source Template do you use?
  What does your citation
  look like?
 
  Thanks,
  Scott







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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Connie Sheets]

Ron,

Scott means that Evidence Explained suggests the citation style he posted would 
be the correct format, and that if he uses the database template, he can't 
erase the word database from the citation output.

Or so I interpret.

Connie

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 8:37 PM
 Scott,

 There are fields there for Website Creator and Website
 Title. Have you
 looked at the Source Detail? I haven't a clue as to what
 it *should* look
 like and frankly I don't even know what that means! Nor do
 I know what is
 meant by I can't seem to permanently clear the Format
 field, which is not
 needed.

 On the right hand side of the data entry box is shown the
 output. Just fill
 in the data in such a way as it gives you the result you
 require. It doesn't
 matter what the field name says, in my view.

 Ron Ferguson







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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Jenny M Benson]

Connie Sheets wrote
That doesn't bother me one bit (well, writing those two names in the
same sentence does, but I digress), and is the method I use for
websites like Ancestry.com or FamilySearchLabs (to which I consider
Facebook analogous in that they are humongous sites with vast amounts
of data that require splitting into smaller parts for purposes of
citation).

I don't use Facebook at all, but as far as I know it is quite *un*like
Ancestry in that it does not supply a set of various different
databases.  I never use Ancestry as a Source - I use the particular
database within Ancestry.

Family Search Labs doesn't present its data in quite the same separated
way, but again I use a separate Master Source for each set of data.  I
think that I am neither an extreme lumper nor an extreme splitter.
--
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Linda McCauley]

Taking Jenny's reasoning below a step further - I think I would source
information from Facebook as personal knowledge of the person who
posted it to their FB page and then note in the citation details that
it was posted on their FB page. (Assuming here that it's information
about that person or their family that they actually have personal
knowledge of. If it's not something they would reasonably know then I
wouldn't use it.)

To me the person is the source, FB is just the vehicle they used to
provide the information.

Linda M.


On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk wrote:

 I don't use Facebook at all, but as far as I know it is quite *un*like
 Ancestry in that it does not supply a set of various different
 databases.  I never use Ancestry as a Source - I use the particular
 database within Ancestry.

 Family Search Labs doesn't present its data in quite the same separated
 way, but again I use a separate Master Source for each set of data.  I
 think that I am neither an extreme lumper nor an extreme splitter.
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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Connie Sheets]

Linda,

You are, of course, welcome to cite Facebook any way you want, but for those of 
us who prefer to follow current standards (which Mrs. Mills did not make up on 
her own by the way; her books are based upon the Chicago Manual of Style and 
earlier genealogical writers), the correct citation format is what Scott 
originally posted, to wit:

Shouldn't the source look like the below (italics marked by *)?

Barack Obama, Barack Obama, *Facebook*
(http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : accessed 8 June 2010)

Obama, Barack.  Barack Obama *Facebook*.
http://www.facebook.com/#!/barackobama : 2010

Depending upon the nature of the data that is being referenced, I might add a 
comment at the end of this citation that the information appears to be based 
upon Mr. Obama's personal recollection of the event (or whatever other comment 
would be appropriate).

Connie

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Linda McCauley lindafmccau...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: Linda McCauley lindafmccau...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 10:02 PM
 Taking Jenny's reasoning below a step
 further - I think I would source
 information from Facebook as personal knowledge of the
 person who
 posted it to their FB page and then note in the citation
 details that
 it was posted on their FB page. (Assuming here that it's
 information
 about that person or their family that they actually have
 personal
 knowledge of. If it's not something they would reasonably
 know then I
 wouldn't use it.)

 To me the person is the source, FB is just the vehicle they
 used to
 provide the information.

 Linda M.








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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Ron Ferguson]

Connie,

I do not recognise the word correct in this context. There is no standard
wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear, accurate, concise
and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a very strong advocate of
sourcing,  I do not get involved in the details of sourcing on this list
especially when it comes down to dotting i'sand crossing t's - no
interest at all I'm afraid!  BTW. I would imagine that Facebook does store
the records in a database, otherwise they would be pretty well inaccessible.

BTW I am predominately a lumper (and fairly mega at that), but was trying to
keep to the same format as Scott, as it was his question and not mine!

Ron Ferguson
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Connie Sheets wrote:
 Ron,

 Scott means that Evidence Explained suggests the citation style he
 posted would be the correct format, and that if he uses the
 database template, he can't erase the word database from the
 citation output.

 Or so I interpret.

 Connie

 --- On Tue, 6/8/10, Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 8:37 PM
 Scott,

 There are fields there for Website Creator and Website
 Title. Have you
 looked at the Source Detail? I haven't a clue as to what
 it *should* look
 like and frankly I don't even know what that means! Nor do
 I know what is
 meant by I can't seem to permanently clear the Format
 field, which is not
 needed.

 On the right hand side of the data entry box is shown the
 output. Just fill
 in the data in such a way as it gives you the result you
 require. It doesn't
 matter what the field name says, in my view.

 Ron Ferguson





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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Connie Sheets]

Linda,

I'm not sure Facebook existed when Evidence Explained was written.

Facebook is a website, is it not?  EE contains multiple examples of how to cite 
websites.  They all generally follow the same pattern.

Perhaps the closest example to Facebook would be her discussion of blogs on pp. 
811-812.  See also p. 49 for her discussion of personal knowledge, as well as 
the W section of the index which refers you to pp. 657 and 787-788 for 
website examples.

I use her separate publication, a laminated 4 page Quicksheet Citing Online 
Historical Resources Evidence! Style most often for websites, as the 
information she discusses there is easier/quicker to access, and perhaps easier 
to understand.  In that publication, under the Basic Principles section, it 
states:

A website is the online equivalent of a book...websites that offer multiple 
items (databases, articles, etc.) are the online equivalent of books with 
independent chapters by different authors.  I can't quote more without 
potentially violating her copyright, but I will say that it is clear she 
recommends treating such websites in the following manner for the first 
reference note:

ITEM AUTHOR (if known)
ITEM TITLE (in quotes)
WEBSITE CREATOR OR OWNER (if known)
WEBSITE TITLE (in italics)
URL
DATE
DETAIL (if applicable)

Compare this format to Scott's original example, or the example at the bottom 
of p. 812 of EE that begins with the name Leland Meitzler, and I think you will 
see why I said Scott's example was the correct way to cite it (although as I 
said in my previous post, I might add detail/comment at the end depending upon 
what specifically he is citing from Facebook).

I realize there are red letters on the Legacy Internet template warning us it 
is generic and maybe we should use another template, but I think that often 
causes unnecessary confusion.

There are frequent posts on this list asking what template to use to cite 
websites.  My answer almost invariably is, cite them for what they are, a 
website.  Just like we'd cite a book as a book.

Hope this helps!

Connie


--- On Tue, 6/8/10, Linda McCauley lindafmccau...@gmail.com wrote:


 Connie,
 Could you give me the page # in EE regarding Facebook. I
 wasn't able
 to find any mention of FB in the index of my copy of the
 book.

 Thanks,
 Linda M.







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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Connie Sheets]

Ron,

I have no problem whatsoever with your approach; nothing I ever post  should be 
interpreted as a criticism of you or your approach.  It's just not for me in 
all circumstances.  One of the things I love about Legacy is its versatility 
and ability to meet the desires and needs of both lumpers and splitters and 
those of us who think we are moderate on the issue.

Although I'm not an expert by any means, I do try to share what I have learned 
from Mrs. Mills and other US teachers about source citation practices, for 
those who may wish to pursue that avenue.

Connie


Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 Connie,

 I do not recognise the word correct in this context.
 There is no standard
 wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear,
 accurate, concise
 and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a very
 strong advocate of
 sourcing,  I do not get involved in the details of
 sourcing on this list
 especially when it comes down to dotting i'sand crossing
 t's - no
 interest at all I'm afraid!  BTW. I would imagine that
 Facebook does store
 the records in a database, otherwise they would be pretty
 well inaccessible.

 BTW I am predominately a lumper (and fairly mega at that),
 but was trying to
 keep to the same format as Scott, as it was his question
 and not mine!













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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook as source

[Ron Ferguson]

Connie,

I never took what you said as a criticism, and even if I had, I can take it
(I was in public life for a few years!). Neither have I any problem with
people discussing, or promoting the use of, Mrs Mills and her sourcing
systems.

In my previous post I said:

 There is no standard wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be
 clear, accurate, concise
 and reproducable by others.

Below is the output from one of the templates I use (taken from my website -
I have removed the html styling):

Free BMD, BMD Indexes Database (N.p.: n.p., n.d.), volume 20, page 182, Dec
quarter 1840, Barton and Chorlton district; citing the General Register
Office's England and Wales Civil Registration Indexes. Repository: Free BMD,
England, [I insert the URL here] Cit. Date: 10 Feb 2009.

Comparing this with what *I* require, it is accurate, reproducable (ie.
others can find it), not quite concise and certainly not clear. Unless one
is familiar with Evidence explained how would one know what (N.p.: n.p.,
n.d.),  means? I don't need to enter these fields, ever, because it is
attached to an Event with these details in it.

Please don't post to tell me how to improve it,  since that is my intention,
but I haven't got round to it as yet, and I don't use this template now.
Actually, compared with some of my other sources this one is pretty verbose,
usually I have less detail, just the basics.

Anyhow that is why I do not get involved in the details of sourcing. To be
honest, I probably prefer the old style sourcing but now have too many using
Source writer to consider reverting back.

Ron Ferguson
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Connie Sheets wrote:
 Ron,

 I have no problem whatsoever with your approach; nothing I ever post
 should be interpreted as a criticism of you or your approach.  It's
 just not for me in all circumstances.  One of the things I love about
 Legacy is its versatility and ability to meet the desires and needs
 of both lumpers and splitters and those of us who think we are
 moderate on the issue.

 Although I'm not an expert by any means, I do try to share what I
 have learned from Mrs. Mills and other US teachers about source
 citation practices, for those who may wish to pursue that avenue.

 Connie


 Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

 Connie,

 I do not recognise the word correct in this context.
 There is no standard
 wording in the UK for sourcing, simply it must be clear,
 accurate, concise
 and reproducable by others. Which is why, although a very
 strong advocate of
 sourcing, I do not get involved in the details of
 sourcing on this list
 especially when it comes down to dotting i'sand crossing
 t's - no
 interest at all I'm afraid! BTW. I would imagine that
 Facebook does store
 the records in a database, otherwise they would be pretty
 well inaccessible.

 BTW I am predominately a lumper (and fairly mega at that),
 but was trying to
 keep to the same format as Scott, as it was his question
 and not mine!




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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook Photos Info

[Bob Janice]

Asked and answered on March 10 . . . .


On 3/15/2010 8:25 PM, Tom Thorpe wrote:
 Wondering what others think of using Facebook photos and information
 (e.g. birthdate, other family member names and FB links) that are
 accessible to everyone in my genealogical software (Legacy). I have
 several extended family members and their children who are on FB and
 have posted photos for all to see, friends and non-friends alike.
 I do not intend to publish the material but had hoped to include it
 all in a book of descendants to be handed out at the next family
 reunion. Thanks for your thoughts.
 Tom
 P.S.  Anyone know of a good source guide for genealogical ethics?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[Marvin Angelique Welch]

Tom Thorpe wrote:
 Wondering what others think of using Facebook photos and information
 (e.g. birthdate, other family member names and FB links) that are
 accessible to everyone in my genealogical software (Legacy). I have
 several extended family members and their children who are on FB and
 have posted photos for all to see, friends and non-friends alike.

 I do not intend to publish the material but had hoped to include it
 all in a book of descendants to be handed out at the next family
 reunion. Thanks for your thoughts.

 Tom

 P.S.  Anyone know of a good source guide for genealogical ethics?


Hi Tim!

See my post Genealogical Ethics in there, I mention to Bill about two
different textbooks:

1. BCG (Board for Certification of Genealogists) Genealogical Standards
Manual (don't let the certification part fool you, these are standards
everyone should follow when doing research)
2. Evidence Explained: Citing HIstory Sources from Artifacts to
Cyberspace by Elizabeth Shown Mills (which will help after you obtain
permission from members to use their photos on Facebook and cite them in
your reports)

Now assuming you are getting permission to possible print or use the
images on Facebook from their owners, here is what will be most
important in your report:

For example, for online materials such as Facebook, your core elements
of your citations in your report will be: (this is right from page 57 of
EE). I am sure there is also a template for this in Legacy, but just not
sure yet which one without looking and if I do that I will have it open
all day doing stuff :)

* Author/creator/owner of the website's CONTENT (which would be your
  relative)
* Title of the website, which would be Facebook
* Type of item (image?discussion post? etc.)
* Publication data
* Place (URL)
* Date (posted, updated, copyrighted, or accessed)
* Specific detail for that citation (such as image of Joan Smith 
  Daughter)

So an example citation in your report might look something like this:

Smith, Bob. Facebook. Digital image. http:www.facebook.com/page :
accessed 13 March 2010. Image of Joan Smith and child, 1975.

You may even put a note afterwards stating something like:

Original privately held by Bob Smith [ADDRESS FOR PRIVATE USE ONLY],
City, State.

This way, no matter what, any relative should be able to find whatever
image you are citing, even if you don't have it. :)

Hope this helps :)

Angelique Abeare-Welch





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Re: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images)

[Ron Ferguson]

Colin,

Just read my comment, sent early morning! It is not a shortened version
of something else, but a noun. In the UK, as used in your context, it
is not referring to a piece of turf grin.

Just shows the care needed when using colloquialisms!

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 Original Message 
From: Colin Liddell
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: 11 March 2010 12:59
Subject: Re: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images)

 In Australia it is not and that is where I am.

 Colin.
 - Original Message -
 From: Ron Ferguson
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:46 PM
 Subject: Re: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images)


 Brian,

 It is a shortened version of an obscenity, although quite commonly
 used in England.

 Ron Ferguson
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 Follow me on twitter
 http://twitter.com/ronfergy
 



 Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:
 SOD? :-)

 Guess that doesn’t translate to Americanism. We’ve learned to
 throw off most of the British terminology but the slang has me
 stumped. Please advise what it means or if not appropriate for
 public posting, then I’d like a private email.

 Brian in CA

 __

 From: Colin Liddell [mailto:cap...@optusnet.com.au]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:09 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images)

 Sheeeshwhat a grumpy sod!!! They were right and you were
 wrong, live with it!

 Colin.

 - Original Message -
 From: RUNION ROBERT
 To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
 Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:55 PM
 Subject: Re: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images)

 Understood Sherry - but if I couldn't transmit I was trying to rule
 it out and I had no intention of 'highjacking' anyones message.  Geez
 Louise, you people are something else... Mea Culpa for trying to
 resolve an issue I was having. So much for assistance... now as
 customer service, do your duty and cut me off. I've been thinking
 of switching to a MAC program anyway and you may have aided me in
 that venture.




 On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Sherry/Support wrote:

 If you have multiple email addresses, make sure you use the one you
 subscribed with.

 You must have been using the wrong email address previously because
 this one came through.

 And please don't hijack an ongoing thread!

 Thanks for using Legacy.

 Sherry
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 We are changing the world of genealogy!

 When replying to this message, please include all previous
 correspondence.  Thanks.

 -Original Message-
 From: RUNION ROBERT [mailto:s...@cox.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:20 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

 I keep getting this message when I try to send to this group stating
 that '...Sorry, you do not have permission to post to the
 legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com mailing list...'.  Am I using the
 wrong address or have I been black-balled? If the latter, please
 advise what my infraction was!

 Bob

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Re: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images)

[James Cook]

+1

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Jennifer Crockett
jcrock...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 In defence of Bob, I experienced the exactly the same sort of problems when I 
 tried to subscribe a couple of months ago. Eventually after doing nothing but 
 tearing my hair out, some sort of glitch resolved itself and I was able to 
 post. I think it is unfair and unkind to blame Bob for what appear to me to 
 be problems which seem to originate at Millennia's end.

 Jennifer



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RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[William Boswell]

Personally I hate Facebook even though I have an account.  One of my cousins 
wants me to post everything genealogical there including photos to find more 
living relatives.  I'm actually opposed to doing so because I didn't spend the 
last twelve or so years researching to give everything away to genealogy 
thieves who like to take data without first verifying if they have a connection.

The plus side to it is to have other family members post their own personal 
photos, like recent photos, to add to your Legacy data.  I do this with the 
cousin mentioned above because she's a photo journalist and writer and posts 
anything and everything to her FB page.  That's how I got a hold of her 
daughter's wedding photos.  She also posted, as did I, photos of her mother's 
funeral and memorial service.  Hers were better than mine.

My FB page is private and only available to those that I allow in.  This keeps 
out the thieves and nosey people.  These days you have to be careful.  Your 
future or potential employer might be snooping around your pages.

FB used to have a place where you could upload a GEDCOM, but it broke about a 
year ago and never came back.  This would have been useful for posting 
information for relatives.  About that same time there was some debate over 
FB's ownership of the photos posted to your site so I decided I wasn't going to 
post older photos if there was an ownership clause going on.  I think that idea 
was scratched.  I do intend to publish my information eventually so I want to 
control the rights to my work and not give it away to everyone on the internet 
who might have a profit motive.

That's my two cents.

I'd be interested in a guidebook on genealogical ethics.  I remember seeing 
something along these lines years ago related to the lack thereof in the olden 
days where people were connecting their lines to notable families.  This was a 
huge LDS scandal years ago which is why I don't put a lot of faith into what 
they offer because there still could be some bad data lurking.  I've found a 
number of errors in data I downloaded from them years ago.

Bill Boswell



From: Tom Thorpe [mailto:tom072...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

Wondering what others think of using Facebook photos and information (e.g. 
birthdate, other family member names and FB links) that are accessible to 
everyone in my genealogical software (Legacy). I have several extended family 
members and their children who are on FB and have posted photos for all to see, 
friends and non-friends alike.

I do not intend to publish the material but had hoped to include it all in a 
book of descendants to be handed out at the next family reunion. Thanks for 
your thoughts.

Tom

P.S.  Anyone know of a good source guide for genealogical ethics?



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RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[William Boswell]

Ron:

I completely agree with you.  I've found photos that I posted on an older 
website of mine in people's personal pages within Ancestry.com without credit 
as to where it came from.  These were old photos in my personal collection that 
I'm certain others didn't have especially since they depicted different lines.

That's a huge problem on the internet where young adults who grew up in the 
technology age seem to think that anything on the internet is free for the 
taking.  I also use something similar to the UK Creative Commons License, but 
would much prefer a real copyright.  However, that doesn't seem to stop the 
internet thieves these days.

I have been a victim of genealogy data and identity theft in ways where profit 
was the motive so I no longer post my information freely.  I also agree with 
others that posting all your data from Legacy to FB or other social websites is 
a recipe for disaster especially if it includes living people.  You would need 
their permission first prior to posting otherwise there could be identity theft 
issues.  I ask permission first before I even post living person information to 
a privatized site like Ancestry.com because they and other genealogy sites do 
backups and even if you delete your site, they still have your data.  I found 
this out after Ancestry bought out Rootsweb's and data that I deleted years 
before ended up on Ancestry.com after the buyout.  So private isn't always 
private--not these days anyway.

Bill

-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:42 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

Tom,

Since you can't link the photos to Legacy, exactly what are you thinking of
doing, eg. copying the photos and putting them into Legacy? You clearly do
not own these photographs, so for the moment forget ethics, the copyright
for those pictures belong to the person who took them, or to whom that
person assigned the copyright. You do intend to publish, you say ...to
include it all in a book of descendants to be handed out at the next family
reunion, that is publishing, even if you do not charge.

If I have misunderstood, then please excuse me, but if anybody did that with
my photos, without my express consent, I would hit the roof. When I allow
use of my photos, I do so only on the condition that my copyright is
explicitly stated. My website operates under the Creative Commons License,
which subject to certain conditions, allows free use for the reproduction
and distribution of my information, but I have specifically exempted my
photos and reserved their copyright.

As I understand the Facebook conditions, in loose terms, when uploading a
photo onto Facebook you give Facebook a free license to use that photo for
any of their activities, but nobody else.

Ron Ferguson




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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[Ron Ferguson]

Bill,

As a matter of fact you do have real copyright for your photos and things
which you may have written, such as a Blog or Tutorial. It is yours from the
day you created it/them. The data which we use cannot be copyrighted by us
because it is not ours, it belongs to the government (eg. census data), or a
company (eg. Ancestry's Index).

Like you, I have published much information which has been found by others,
as well as their photos, but never without their consent (hence some private
pages on my site), and attributed in a manner agreed. By the way, I have
never heard of  identity theft, or similar, arising from genealogy sites.

Ron Ferguson

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William Boswell wrote:
 Ron:

.

 That's a huge problem on the internet where young adults who grew
 up in the technology age seem to think that anything on the internet
 is free for the taking.  I also use something similar to the UK
 Creative Commons License, but would much prefer a real copyright.
 However, that doesn't seem to stop the internet thieves these days.

 I have been a victim of genealogy data and identity theft in ways
 where profit was the motive so I no longer post my information
 freely.  I also agree with others that posting all your data from
 Legacy to FB or other social websites is a recipe for disaster
 especially if it includes living people.  You would need their
 permission first prior to posting otherwise there could be identity
 theft issues.  I ask permission first before I even post living
 person information to a privatized site like Ancestry.com because
 they and other genealogy sites do backups and even if you delete your
 site, they still have your data.  I found this out after Ancestry
 bought out Rootsweb's and data that I deleted years before ended up
 on Ancestry.com after the buyout.  So private isn't always
 private--not these days anyway.

 Bill

 -Original Message-
 From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:42 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

 Tom,

 Since you can't link the photos to Legacy, exactly what are you
 thinking of
 doing, eg. copying the photos and putting them into Legacy? You
 clearly do
 not own these photographs, so for the moment forget ethics, the
 copyright
 for those pictures belong to the person who took them, or to whom that
 person assigned the copyright. You do intend to publish, you say
 ...to
 include it all in a book of descendants to be handed out at the next
 family
 reunion, that is publishing, even if you do not charge.

 If I have misunderstood, then please excuse me, but if anybody did
 that with
 my photos, without my express consent, I would hit the roof. When I
 allow
 use of my photos, I do so only on the condition that my copyright is
 explicitly stated. My website operates under the Creative Commons
 License,
 which subject to certain conditions, allows free use for the
 reproduction
 and distribution of my information, but I have specifically exempted
 my
 photos and reserved their copyright.

 As I understand the Facebook conditions, in loose terms, when
 uploading a
 photo onto Facebook you give Facebook a free license to use that
 photo for
 any of their activities, but nobody else.

 Ron Ferguson




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RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[William Boswell]

I experienced identity theft by other means (theft of a laptop and wallets) and 
someone cleaned out my bank account then I had to prove to those dumb clucks at 
the bank that it wasn't me.  How do you prove that you didn't clean out your 
own account?  I had to tell the idiot bank manager to check the surveillance 
tapes.  Shortly afterward, and after I made the suggestion, they implemented 
fingerprinting people who cashed checks.  A little late.

The genealogy theft was from a former website.  I should have clarified that.  
However, if people are posting all their genealogy data to a public website 
this could be a problem if it lists addresses, current and former, since it's 
not hard to track people down to where they currently live (FindUSA and other 
sites) with phone numbers.

I heard years ago that one way to protect your creative work such as a 
manuscript was to mail it to yourself and not open it then use the postmark to 
prove the date it was written as a sort of copyright.  I wonder if that is used 
anymore.  I did use it for a story I wrote years ago, but since then it was 
trashed.  So much for that idea.  Probably wouldn't hold up in court anyway.

Bill


-Original Message-
From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:29 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

Bill,

As a matter of fact you do have real copyright for your photos and things
which you may have written, such as a Blog or Tutorial. It is yours from the
day you created it/them. The data which we use cannot be copyrighted by us
because it is not ours, it belongs to the government (eg. census data), or a
company (eg. Ancestry's Index).

Like you, I have published much information which has been found by others,
as well as their photos, but never without their consent (hence some private
pages on my site), and attributed in a manner agreed. By the way, I have
never heard of  identity theft, or similar, arising from genealogy sites.

Ron Ferguson

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William Boswell wrote:
 Ron:

.

 That's a huge problem on the internet where young adults who grew
 up in the technology age seem to think that anything on the internet
 is free for the taking.  I also use something similar to the UK
 Creative Commons License, but would much prefer a real copyright.
 However, that doesn't seem to stop the internet thieves these days.

 I have been a victim of genealogy data and identity theft in ways
 where profit was the motive so I no longer post my information
 freely.  I also agree with others that posting all your data from
 Legacy to FB or other social websites is a recipe for disaster
 especially if it includes living people.  You would need their
 permission first prior to posting otherwise there could be identity
 theft issues.  I ask permission first before I even post living
 person information to a privatized site like Ancestry.com because
 they and other genealogy sites do backups and even if you delete your
 site, they still have your data.  I found this out after Ancestry
 bought out Rootsweb's and data that I deleted years before ended up
 on Ancestry.com after the buyout.  So private isn't always
 private--not these days anyway.

 Bill

 -Original Message-
 From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:42 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

 Tom,

 Since you can't link the photos to Legacy, exactly what are you
 thinking of
 doing, eg. copying the photos and putting them into Legacy? You
 clearly do
 not own these photographs, so for the moment forget ethics, the
 copyright
 for those pictures belong to the person who took them, or to whom that
 person assigned the copyright. You do intend to publish, you say
 ...to
 include it all in a book of descendants to be handed out at the next
 family
 reunion, that is publishing, even if you do not charge.

 If I have misunderstood, then please excuse me, but if anybody did
 that with
 my photos, without my express consent, I would hit the roof. When I
 allow
 use of my photos, I do so only on the condition that my copyright is
 explicitly stated. My website operates under the Creative Commons
 License,
 which subject to certain conditions, allows free use for the
 reproduction
 and distribution of my information, but I have specifically exempted
 my
 photos and reserved their copyright.

 As I understand the Facebook conditions, in loose terms, when
 uploading a
 photo onto Facebook you give Facebook a free license to use that
 photo for
 any of their activities, but nobody

RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[William Boswell]

Nan:

It used to be, as I mentioned before, when you could upload your GEDCOM file, 
but they took that away about a year ago.

I'd also like to be able to lock out all those you have 65 people who might be 
related messages as well.  Or some harlot wants to be your friend and you have 
no clue who it is nor do you care.  Beware of clicking on links because some 
are linked to undesirable sites.  And even if you add someone as a friend or 
relative it keeps asking you to add them months later.

You can also adjust your settings to keep the undesirables out including your 
network.  Beware of their online games because if you join it will open up your 
entire FB site to the world.

If it weren't for my relatives I would drop my account.

Bill

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From: Nan Earl [mailto:swampan...@comcast.net]
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:38 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Re:

 [LegacyUG] Facebook
 Images

Thanks Brian for the input.  Am a ninety year old and thought it was a
program for sharing family records.  Don't even know how to respond to
all those so and so accepts you as a friend. At first it was from
relatives and then people I don't know. Now the information I need is
how to back out and stop anything more coming. Thanks again.





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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[Mike Fry]

On 2010/03/11 01:08, Tom Thorpe wrote:
 Wondering what others think of using Facebook photos and information
 (e.g. birthdate, other family member names and FB links) that are
 accessible to everyone in my genealogical software (Legacy). I have
 several extended family members and their children who are on FB and
 have posted photos for all to see, friends and non-friends alike.
 I do not intend to publish the material but had hoped to include it all
 in a book of descendants to be handed out at the next family reunion.

For me, FaceBook is more trouble than it's worth!

And as for linking your genealogical data to it, that sounds like a
potential recipe for disaster. Living people might get their identities
known and stolen. Details of children made available to paedophiles.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[Ron Ferguson]

Tom,

Since you can't link the photos to Legacy, exactly what are you thinking of
doing, eg. copying the photos and putting them into Legacy? You clearly do
not own these photographs, so for the moment forget ethics, the copyright
for those pictures belong to the person who took them, or to whom that
person assigned the copyright. You do intend to publish, you say ...to
include it all in a book of descendants to be handed out at the next family
reunion, that is publishing, even if you do not charge.

If I have misunderstood, then please excuse me, but if anybody did that with
my photos, without my express consent, I would hit the roof. When I allow
use of my photos, I do so only on the condition that my copyright is
explicitly stated. My website operates under the Creative Commons License,
which subject to certain conditions, allows free use for the reproduction
and distribution of my information, but I have specifically exempted my
photos and reserved their copyright.

As I understand the Facebook conditions, in loose terms, when uploading a
photo onto Facebook you give Facebook a free license to use that photo for
any of their activities, but nobody else.

Ron Ferguson
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- Original Message -
From: Tom Thorpe
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: 10 March 2010 23:08
Subject: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images


Wondering what others think of using Facebook photos and information (e.g.
birthdate, other family member names and FB links) that are accessible to
everyone in my genealogical software (Legacy). I have several extended
family members and their children who are on FB and have posted photos for
all to see, friends and non-friends alike.

I do not intend to publish the material but had hoped to include it all in a
book of descendants to be handed out at the next family reunion. Thanks for
your thoughts.

Tom

P.S.  Anyone know of a good source guide for genealogical ethics?



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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[Jenny M Benson]

Tom Thorpe wrote
Wondering what others think of using Facebook photos and information
(e.g. birthdate, other family member names and FB links) that are
accessible to everyone in my genealogical software (Legacy). I have
several extended family members and their children who are on FB and
have posted photos for all to see, friends and non-friends alike. 
 
I do not intend to publish the material but had hoped to include it all
in a book of descendants to be handed out at the next family reunion.
Thanks for your thoughts.

If they are family members and are on FB, as presumably you are too,
surely you can ask them if they have any objections to you using this
material/information in the way you describe.  It would seem the
courteous thing to do.

I have e-mailed many people with public websites from which I have
garnered information and they have all replied along the lines of feel
free, that's what it's there for but most have added that it was nice
to be asked.
--
Jenny M Benson



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Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[RUNION ROBERT]

I keep getting this message when I try to send to this group stating  that 
'...Sorry, you do not have permission to post to the 
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com mailing list...'.  Am I using the wrong address 
or have I been black-balled? If the latter, please advise what my infraction 
was!

Bob

On Mar 10, 2010, at 5:57 PM, Jenny M Benson wrote:

 Tom Thorpe wrote
 Wondering what others think of using Facebook photos and information
 (e.g. birthdate, other family member names and FB links) that are
 accessible to everyone in my genealogical software (Legacy). I have
 several extended family members and their children who are on FB and
 have posted photos for all to see, friends and non-friends alike.

 I do not intend to publish the material but had hoped to include it all
 in a book of descendants to be handed out at the next family reunion.
 Thanks for your thoughts.

 If they are family members and are on FB, as presumably you are too,
 surely you can ask them if they have any objections to you using this
 material/information in the way you describe.  It would seem the
 courteous thing to do.

 I have e-mailed many people with public websites from which I have
 garnered information and they have all replied along the lines of feel
 free, that's what it's there for but most have added that it was nice
 to be asked.
 --
 Jenny M Benson



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RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

I'm agreeing with Mike on this: not only is FaceBook more trouble than it's 
worth, you would also be best served by making sure all of your family members 
would have at least two strong anti-virus programs as well as a good 
anti-malware program before visiting any FaceBook pages. And then be prepared 
for the inevitable hacking of your own pages. Try goggling facebook hacks and 
you get over 332,000 results.

You could try any of a number of FREE photo hosting sites. Go here for more 
info: 
http://www.digicamhelp.com/processing-photos/photo-hosting/photo-hosting-sites/


Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry [mailto:mike...@iafrica.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:24 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

On 2010/03/11 01:08, Tom Thorpe wrote:
 Wondering what others think of using Facebook photos and information
 (e.g. birthdate, other family member names and FB links) that are
 accessible to everyone in my genealogical software (Legacy). I have
 several extended family members and their children who are on FB and
 have posted photos for all to see, friends and non-friends alike.
 I do not intend to publish the material but had hoped to include it all
 in a book of descendants to be handed out at the next family reunion.

For me, FaceBook is more trouble than it's worth!

And as for linking your genealogical data to it, that sounds like a
potential recipe for disaster. Living people might get their identities
known and stolen. Details of children made available to paedophiles.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg




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RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

I'm curious about why you would send this message to the group if you thought 
you could not send messages. And then I'm equally curious as to why you would 
post the message as a reply about FaceBook instead of just starting your own 
thread.

At any rate, you obviously are allowed to post. So perhaps your error message 
was generated locally. Lack of user permissions on the computer?

Welcome to the group.

Brian in CA


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From: RUNION ROBERT [mailto:s...@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:20 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

I keep getting this message when I try to send to this group stating  that 
'...Sorry, you do not have permission to post to the 
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com mailing list...'.  Am I using the wrong address 
or have I been black-balled? If the latter, please advise what my infraction 
was!

Bob





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Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images)

[Sherry/Support]

If you have multiple email addresses, make sure you use the one you subscribed 
with.

You must have been using the wrong email address previously because this one 
came through.

And please don't hijack an ongoing thread!

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From: RUNION ROBERT [mailto:s...@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:20 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

I keep getting this message when I try to send to this group stating  that 
'...Sorry, you do not have permission to post to the 
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com mailing list...'.  Am I using the wrong address 
or have I been black-balled? If the latter, please advise what my infraction 
was!

Bob




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Re: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images)

[RUNION ROBERT]

Understood Sherry - but if I couldn't transmit I was trying to rule it out and 
I had no intention of 'highjacking' anyones message.  Geez Louise, you people 
are something else... Mea Culpa for trying to resolve an issue I was 
having. So much for assistance... now as customer service, do your duty and cut 
me off. I've been thinking of switching to a MAC program anyway and you may 
have aided me in that venture.




On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Sherry/Support wrote:

 If you have multiple email addresses, make sure you use the one you 
 subscribed with.

 You must have been using the wrong email address previously because this one 
 came through.

 And please don't hijack an ongoing thread!

 Thanks for using Legacy.

 Sherry
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 Millennia Corporation
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 We are changing the world of genealogy!

 When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.  
 Thanks.

 -Original Message-
 From: RUNION ROBERT [mailto:s...@cox.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:20 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

 I keep getting this message when I try to send to this group stating  that 
 '...Sorry, you do not have permission to post to the 
 legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com mailing list...'.  Am I using the wrong 
 address or have I been black-balled? If the latter, please advise what my 
 infraction was!

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Re: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images)

[Colin Liddell]

Sheeeshwhat a grumpy sod!!! They were right and you were wrong, live 
with it!

Colin.

- Original Message -
  From: RUNION ROBERT
  To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
  Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:55 PM
  Subject: Re: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images)


  Understood Sherry - but if I couldn't transmit I was trying to rule it out 
and I had no intention of 'highjacking' anyones message.  Geez Louise, you 
people are something else... Mea Culpa for trying to resolve an issue I was 
having. So much for assistance... now as customer service, do your duty and cut 
me off. I've been thinking of switching to a MAC program anyway and you may 
have aided me in that venture.




  On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Sherry/Support wrote:

   If you have multiple email addresses, make sure you use the one you 
subscribed with.
  
   You must have been using the wrong email address previously because this 
one came through.
  
   And please don't hijack an ongoing thread!
  
   Thanks for using Legacy.
  
   Sherry
   Customer Support
   Millennia Corporation
   supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
   http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com
  
   We are changing the world of genealogy!
  
   When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.  
Thanks.
  
   -Original Message-
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   Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:20 PM
   To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
   Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images
  
   I keep getting this message when I try to send to this group stating  that 
'...Sorry, you do not have permission to post to the 
legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com mailing list...'.  Am I using the wrong address 
or have I been black-balled? If the latter, please advise what my infraction 
was!
  
   Bob
  
  
  
  
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RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

Geez, take a chill pill. Your reply is exactly what I was asking aboutif it 
could be that you could only REPLY to a message and not start your own new 
thread. That's what I was curious about and simply asked why you posted in the 
manner that you did. I've checked my original message and the one to which you 
re-quoted and nowhere does the word dumb appear, nor was it implied. In fact, I 
even said Welcome to the Group. But your response to Sherry in Customer 
Support seems to indicate you have other intentions. I'll just politely bow-out 
and let others help you if they are so inclined.

Brian in CA


-Original Message-
From: RUNION ROBERT [mailto:s...@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 6:51 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

Brian - first, I was 'replying' to a message to see if I was able to even get 
to the group and do so; secondly, the message I got back was  addressed to this 
same group,  so I think my question was legitimate and not as dumb as you imply.

Bob

On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Brian L. Lightfoot wrote:

 I'm curious about why you would send this message to the group if you thought 
 you could not send messages. And then I'm equally curious as to why you would 
 post the message as a reply about FaceBook instead of just starting your 
 own thread.

 At any rate, you obviously are allowed to post. So perhaps your error message 
 was generated locally. Lack of user permissions on the computer?

 Welcome to the group.

 Brian in CA




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RE: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images)

[Brian L. Lightfoot]

SOD? :-)

Guess that doesn’t translate to Americanism. We’ve learned to throw off most of 
the British terminology but the slang has me stumped. Please advise what it 
means or if not appropriate for public posting, then I’d like a private email.

Brian in CA

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From: Colin Liddell [mailto:cap...@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 7:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images)

Sheeeshwhat a grumpy sod!!! They were right and you were wrong, live 
with it!

Colin.

- Original Message -
From: RUNION ROBERT
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images)

Understood Sherry - but if I couldn't transmit I was trying to rule it out and 
I had no intention of 'highjacking' anyones message.  Geez Louise, you people 
are something else... Mea Culpa for trying to resolve an issue I was 
having. So much for assistance... now as customer service, do your duty and cut 
me off. I've been thinking of switching to a MAC program anyway and you may 
have aided me in that venture.




On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Sherry/Support wrote:

 If you have multiple email addresses, make sure you use the one you 
 subscribed with.

 You must have been using the wrong email address previously because this one 
 came through.

 And please don't hijack an ongoing thread!

 Thanks for using Legacy.

 Sherry
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 We are changing the world of genealogy!

 When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.  
 Thanks.

 -Original Message-
 From: RUNION ROBERT [mailto:s...@cox.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:20 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

 I keep getting this message when I try to send to this group stating  that 
 '...Sorry, you do not have permission to post to the 
 legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com mailing list...'.  Am I using the wrong 
 address or have I been black-balled? If the latter, please advise what my 
 infraction was!

 Bob

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RE: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook Images)

[Jennifer Crockett]

In defence of Bob, I experienced the exactly the same sort of problems when I 
tried to subscribe a couple of months ago. Eventually after doing nothing but 
tearing my hair out, some sort of glitch resolved itself and I was able to 
post. I think it is unfair and unkind to blame Bob for what appear to me to be 
problems which seem to originate at Millennia's end.

Jennifer


-Original Message-
From: RUNION ROBERT [mailto:s...@cox.net]
Sent: Thursday, 11 March 2010 1:55 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@legacyusers.com
Subject: Re: Email problems (was: RE: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images)

Understood Sherry - but if I couldn't transmit I was trying to rule it out and 
I had no intention of 'highjacking' anyones message.  Geez Louise, you people 
are something else... Mea Culpa for trying to resolve an issue I was 
having. So much for assistance... now as customer service, do your duty and cut 
me off. I've been thinking of switching to a MAC program anyway and you may 
have aided me in that venture.




On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:42 PM, Sherry/Support wrote:

 If you have multiple email addresses, make sure you use the one you 
 subscribed with.

 You must have been using the wrong email address previously because this one 
 came through.

 And please don't hijack an ongoing thread!

 Thanks for using Legacy.

 Sherry
 Customer Support
 Millennia Corporation
 supp...@legacyfamilytree.com
 http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com

 We are changing the world of genealogy!

 When replying to this message, please include all previous correspondence.  
 Thanks.

 -Original Message-
 From: RUNION ROBERT [mailto:s...@cox.net]
 Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:20 PM
 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
 Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Facebook  Images

 I keep getting this message when I try to send to this group stating  that 
 '...Sorry, you do not have permission to post to the 
 legacyusergroup@legacyusers.com mailing list...'.  Am I using the wrong 
 address or have I been black-balled? If the latter, please advise what my 
 infraction was!

 Bob





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