On 30.10.2012 13:30, Michael Collinson wrote:
I propose that we base a re-write on: *OpenStreetMap considers
**Open Data to be a usefully collected set of intelligently or
machine-made physical observations only. Purely algorithmic
augmentation of data and re-casting of data to use, store or
From: Tobias Knerr [mailto:o...@tobias-knerr.de]
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 12:14 AM
To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL
On 30.10.2012 13:30, Michael Collinson wrote:
I propose that we base a re-write
On 01/11/12 04:20, James Livingston wrote:
On 30 October 2012 20:46, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
mailto:frede...@remote.org wrote:
On 10/30/12 08:19, Igor Brejc wrote:
Some then say that these in-memory data structures are also
Derivative
Databases. In what
On 10/31/2012 09:20 PM, James Livingston wrote:
there isn't really a clear line between a permanent database and a
transient structure.
Other than that the former can be made available and the latter cannot
(practically speaking).
- Rob.
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On 30/10/12 13:47, Michael Collinson wrote:
On 30/10/2012 13:07, Jonathan Harley wrote:
[snip]
One thing that's confusing me, is that
http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright does not say what license
applies to the contents. ODbL specifically says that it only applies
to the database and
2012/10/30 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org:
See also:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Closed_Issues#What_sort_of_access_to_Derivative_Databases_is_required.3F
The page is quite old; the green boxes represent legal advice that we have
received at the time.
It is also
(After a hiatus - I've been discussing this off-list with Anthony and
others.)
On 22/10/12 23:13, Anthony wrote:
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/10/22 Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net:
Anyway, the ODbL is explicit that an image is
Hi Igor and fellow legal-talk,
A rather long email, so summary: I am rather hijacking Igor's email, but
I hope it will help provide an answer though not immediately. The
present Trivial Transformation Community Guideline, [1], is applying
tactics and discussion without having any overriding
Hi Michael,
For my part, I really like your proposed wording and I hope we'll reach
consensus on these issues in a way that satisfies both producers and
consumers of OSM data.
Best regards,
Igor
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:30 PM, Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz wrote:
**
Hi Igor and fellow
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 11:46 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
On 10/30/12 08:19, Igor Brejc wrote:
Some then say that these in-memory data structures are also Derivative
Databases. In what form can you then offer such a Database to someone
that requests it?
I don't think
On 30/10/2012 13:07, Jonathan Harley wrote:
(After a hiatus - I've been discussing this off-list with Anthony and
others.)
[snip]
One thing that's confusing me, is that
http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright does not say what license
applies to the contents. ODbL specifically says that
Hi Igor,
I'd like to address a couple of points.
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com wrote:
Not one company will dare to give out their proprietary source code to
someone, even if they release it under a very strict license. The risks of
someone inadvertently then
On 30/10/2012 13:07, Jonathan Harley wrote:
(After a hiatus - I've been discussing this off-list with Anthony and
others.)
On 22/10/12 23:13, Anthony wrote:
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2012/10/22 Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net:
deliberately Offlist
2012/10/30 Michael Collinson m...@ayeltd.biz:
No loop hole. Unless I am missing something earlier in the thread, this is
covering very old ground. This is the LWG understanding: The buzz phrase
is layered copyright. Using an open licensed photo of a MacDonald's
On 10/30/2012 07:19 AM, Igor Brejc wrote:
Some then say that these in-memory data structures are also Derivative
Databases.
They also cannot request RAM dumps of the routers and switches that ODbL
data is transmitted over as they download it.
- Rob.
Hi Igor,
I wonder if this resource helps with your question?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Data_License/Trivial_Transformations_-_Guideline
(a work in progress)
Mike
On 22/10/2012 18:45, Igor Brejc wrote:
Hi,
Thanks for your clarifications, everybody. I was under the (looks
Hi Igor,
IANAL, so the following are just my opinions.
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 1:07 AM, Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com wrote:
They also don't really answer the question what is a Database. Let's take,
for example, the statement Rendering databases, for example those produced
by Osm2pgsql,
I have a question concerning the ability of someone creating produced
works from an ODbL-licensed database to license that produced work for
use by others. Strictly speaking it's a question about the ODbL,
rather that OSM, but since it will have a significant effect on OSM
users, I thought I would
Hi,
My understanding (emphases are mine):
“*Contents*” – The contents of this Database, which includes the
information, independent works, or other material collected into the
Database. For example, the contents of the Database could be factual data
or works such as *images*, audiovisual
calculated to
make any Person... exposed to the Produced Work) - besides, in practice,
why wouldn't you want to? - but I think Robert disagrees with me on this.
cheers
Richard
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On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote:
Produced Works do not have to be licensed under a share-alike licence.
Attribution is required, as per the above clause. My view is that this
implies a downstream attribution requirement too (reasonably calculated
2012/10/22 Igor Brejc igor.br...@gmail.com:
Would there be a difference if it was PNG/SVG instead of PDF?
there are 2 ways to put graphics into a PDF: those with vectors
embedded and those with a raster inside. The first is to treat like a
SVG and the second like a PNG (always asuming you
On 22 October 2012 10:44, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:
Produced Works do not have to be licensed under a share-alike licence.
Attribution is required, as per the above clause. My view is that this
implies a downstream attribution requirement too (reasonably calculated to
make
Hi,
On 10/22/12 12:07, Igor Brejc wrote:
2. I generate a PDF map from that extract using an unpublished,
closed-source software. The map includes the appropriate OSM
attribution text.
1. Is this possible?
Yes (assuming that the PDF is not a database).
2. What are my
Hi,
Thanks for your clarifications, everybody. I was under the (looks like
wrong) impression the produced work must also be available under the ODbL
license.
One issue still bugs me though:
If the closed software you have used did not work on the data directly, but
on some sort of pre-processed
On 22/10/12 16:35, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2012/10/22 Jonathan Harley j...@spiffymap.net:
You have an obligation to make your derivative database available, if you
made one.
or describe the details and release the code, how you did it, in this
case you don't have to release the data.
Hi,
On 22.10.2012 18:45, Igor Brejc wrote:
What does pre-processed or augmented data really mean? OSM data has to
be preprocessed to get to the form suitable for rendering. Some examples
of preprocessing:
1. Importing it into PostGIS and flattening the geometries (like Mapnik
does it).
From: Frederik Ramm [mailto:frede...@remote.org]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2012 11:53 AM
To: legal-talk@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] Licenses for Produced Works under ODbL
Another interesting question is how easy the algorithm you specify must
be. It is clear
On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 8:52 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:
2. Generalizations: simplifications of roads, polygons etc. for a
certain map scale.
Same process - either you share the generalized data or you share the
algorithm that produces it. If, for example, you were
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