Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-31 Thread Greg Schafer
Tushar Teredesai wrote: This is a very valid point IMO. No, it is completely invalid. See below. Since the cross-LFS will most probably have the official LFS blessing, Have you even looked at it? Let alone tried it? It has a long way to go. I would like it to have proper attribution. If

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-31 Thread Greg Schafer
Jim Gifford wrote: Not until a formal apology is posted. I want my name and LFS's name cleared of the allegations you brought up. I WILL NOT back down on this point. Tough. The facts speak for themselves, and you know it. I do not care anymore. If you want to act like a 12 year old, go for

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-31 Thread Justin R. Knierim
Greg Schafer wrote: Tush, you have just clearly demonstrated you have no idea at all what you're talking about on this topic. I would kindly ask you to stop putting people down. Unless you have the required level of experience and expertise in cross compilation, you do not have a leg to

Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-31 Thread Karen
Greg Schafer wrote: Why are you fanning flames like this? Greg you start a fire, fan the flames until it is blazing out of control and then you blame others for it. You were wrong to attack Jim on this list. If you had an issue with him you should have handled it privately. You

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-31 Thread Andreas Turriff
Greg's words: After looking at your commit in detail, it's quite clear to me that you've borrowed elements of my research when making these massive changes. I don't mind you doing that, because it's a step in the right direction, but could you please do the proper and ethical thing and at least

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-31 Thread Jim Gifford
Greg Schafer wrote: Jim Gifford wrote: Not until a formal apology is posted. I want my name and LFS's name cleared of the allegations you brought up. I WILL NOT back down on this point. Tough. The facts speak for themselves, and you know it. I do not care anymore. If you want to

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-31 Thread Jim Gifford
Greg Schafer wrote: Jim Gifford wrote: The community has spoken and is requesting that you apologize. The community? You mean your IRC hero mates who don't have an understanding of the technical issues? Get a clue Jim. Please keep your off-topic rubbish off the list. Thank you

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-31 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 7/31/05, Randy McMurchy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Gifford wrote these words on 07/31/05 12:45 CST: Greg, stop insulting the community and individuals. You started this on list, and it will be finished on list. But Jim, it will *never* be finished with you two guys. Did so Did

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-30 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jeremy Huntwork wrote these words on 07/30/05 00:47 CST: What's more, he's done so in a dignified and rational manner, he hasn't at all been accusatory or rash, so his messages could hardly be found an attempt to have the last say in the matter. I see it differently. So, we'll just have to

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-30 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 07/30/05 01:25 CST: Randy if you were being accused of things, wouldn't you speak up. Yes you would. Since this wasn't taken care of privately, and my name which is associated with LFS is dragged through the mud. It affects all of us. The easiest solution is

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-30 Thread Tushar Teredesai
On 7/30/05, Jim Gifford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you want to be associated with something that is utilizing unethical practices, I don't think so. This is a very valid point IMO. Since the cross-LFS will most probably have the official LFS blessing, I would like it to have proper

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-30 Thread Jim Gifford
Tushar Teredesai wrote: On 7/30/05, Jim Gifford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you want to be associated with something that is utilizing unethical practices, I don't think so. This is a very valid point IMO. Since the cross-LFS will most probably have the official LFS blessing, I

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-29 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 07/29/05 11:54 CST: So as you can see, yes I did look at Greg's scripts, but I did not use them. What I don't understand here Greg is why you can say I stole your work and didn't give you credit, when I patch glibc to fix the issue and you don't. I think

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-29 Thread Ken Moffat
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, Jim Gifford wrote: In my book patching GCC should only be done when neccessary, to me there had to be a better solution. Hi Jim, Applying that remark to a different context, I guess that means you'll be dead against lib|lib32 (instead of lib64|lib), or indeed pure64

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-29 Thread Jim Gifford
Randy McMurchy wrote: Jim Gifford wrote these words on 07/29/05 11:54 CST: So as you can see, yes I did look at Greg's scripts, but I did not use them. What I don't understand here Greg is why you can say I stole your work and didn't give you credit, when I patch glibc to fix the issue

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-29 Thread Jim Gifford
Ken Moffat wrote: On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, Jim Gifford wrote: In my book patching GCC should only be done when neccessary, to me there had to be a better solution. Hi Jim, Applying that remark to a different context, I guess that means you'll be dead against lib|lib32 (instead of

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-29 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 07/29/05 13:22 CST: I was pointing out the facts, as I see them and as they are on the list. This is my only post on this whole issue, everything else has come through Gerard after communicating with me. It's time for me to defend myself, because this

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-29 Thread Greg Schafer
Jim Gifford wrote: So as you can see, yes I did look at Greg's scripts, but I did not use them. What I don't understand here Greg is why you can say I stole your work and didn't give you credit, Jim, never once have I used the word stolen. The changes you made to the LFS Cross build made it

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-29 Thread Jim Gifford
Greg Schafer wrote: Jim Gifford wrote: So as you can see, yes I did look at Greg's scripts, but I did not use them. What I don't understand here Greg is why you can say I stole your work and didn't give you credit, Jim, never once have I used the word stolen. The changes you made

Re: Change r6572 Roadmap

2005-07-29 Thread Randy McMurchy
Jim Gifford wrote these words on 07/30/05 00:29 CST: [snip bunch of garbage] How do you expect me to work with you on something when you attacked me like you did, what you did was totally uncalled for and unacceptable by moral standards. You should of communicated to me privately, instead of