Re: [lfs-support] systemd versus sysvinit
As a new and inexperienced member of an established community, I try to keep my mouth shut and avoid interfering. Occasionally I feel strongly enough on a subject to speak out and I hope that the below does not upset too many people... - Original Message - From: Frans de Boer fr...@fransdb.nl ... However, if everybody was thinking like this, there would be no progress ever. While I agree that progress requires change, it does not follow that all change is progress. In assessing systemd I examined the list of reasons given for dissatisfaction with init - and I found that I could not relate to (nor had any memory of experiencing) any of them. Thus, for my personal use-case, systemd is a waste of time attempting to solve problems which do not exist. While systemd does not appear to do any real harm, it abandons decades of established working practice for no perceivable benefit. ... I also think that in order to keep (x)LFS attractive to new followers, the project should go with the flow. I think that LFS should stick to its core ethos of providing a clear, gentle, beginners' instruction manual on how to compile a working operating system from scratch. Linux, as with much of the FOSS world, provides a great deal of choice. This means that any given task (including system boot) may well have many viable options from which individual implementers can choose. We currently have the situation that init is the default boot option while members of the community offer instructions on how to take the systemd path if desired. I hope that this situation continues indefinitely. I do concede that it would be a valid (though unpleasant) choice to swap roles and have systemd as the default along with instructions on using init as an option. What worries me about that step is the possibility of init disappearing altogether. Regards, R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] /dev/fb0 not being created on boot
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 07:05:14PM +, Richard Melville wrote: Ken, I'm using vesafb on a web server with no Xorg, and I just use the console. I realise that my kernel was quite old but as I like to check every configuration option (often because of new hardware) it takes a long time to configure a new kernel and becomes incredibly boring towards the end :-( Therefore, I usually limit my upgrades to about one per year, or when I can be bothered. OK, but in that case I suggest that you go for early stable kernels (.1, .2, etc). You said you had been using 3.7-rc8 - that probably turned out to be totally good for your uses, but sometimes even .0 releases still have issues in a few places. Also, the config you use in a late -rc will normally not provide any extra questions for released / stable kernels in the same series if you use 'make oldconfig'. Interestingly, as 3.12.1 is now available I downloaded the source, copied the config across, and ran 'make oldconfig'. As you predicted there were no extra questions to answer so I proceeded to compile. Strangely, it exited with an error when it reached a *keyboard* configuration. I know I should have investigated further, but by this time I was so frustrated that I returned to 3.12 as I knew it was good. I can't remember the last time I had a kernel fail at the compile stage. I'll investigate further when I have more time. Bruce, my framebuffer config was much like yours but with one exception: I had CONFIG_X86_SYSFB=y. This was stopping vesafb loading and stopping /dev/fb0 being created. I've removed that option, reconfigured, and now it all works as expected. Interesting. That option works ok on intel (I'm running with it at the moment), I'll try to remember that for the future - my server also runs with CONFIG_FB_VESA and vga=792 (it's a radeon RS780, when I got it I had no experience with modern ATI hardware and totally failed to get the radeon framebuffer to work - 80x25 is too restrictive for me!) - for the moment I'm running 3.10 (LTS) there. Hmm -- I'm using an Intel board. Regarding vga=792, that still works for me. If I substitute video=1024x768 the command is ignored an I get a large, ugly font. I'm currently using grub-2.0, so I can't understand what the problem is likely to be. Any ideas? Richard Stick with vga=792 since it still works ? Any idea how large the font is, or how many pixels in the screen size when you boot with video=1024x768 ? It's the correct font that I've set but without the resolution setting; It looks ugly at that size on the screen. When the box boots, you get the font from its bios. But when the LFS bootscripts start to run it ought to switch to your specified font (provided the setup supports it, e.g. my own 12x22 is only supported on framebuffers and I've not tried it with Vesa, my screen there is physically 1024x768 so I use an 8x16 font on that). So, basically work out what sort of console font *size* will suit you, then try setfont in a spare tty and see if any of the available fonts look ok _and_ provide the character coverage you require. My own LatGrkCyr are intended for white/pale text on a black background and I'm told that at least one of them looks awful with dark text on a pale background : there is a balance between getting adequate coverage, shapes which do not offend our own particular sensibilities, and being able to distinguish the various accents and diacritical markings - for some uses, noting that a glyph is e.g. letter a with accent may be good enough, but others may wish to be able to see at a glance what sort of accent is present, particularly in unfamiliar languages. ?en I'm using LatGrkCyr and I really like it. On my console screen at vga=792 it looks good. So everything is now working but some questions remain unanswered. Thanks for your help Ken. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [blfs-support] /dev/fb0 not being created on boot
Ken, I'm using vesafb on a web server with no Xorg, and I just use the console. I realise that my kernel was quite old but as I like to check every configuration option (often because of new hardware) it takes a long time to configure a new kernel and becomes incredibly boring towards the end :-( Therefore, I usually limit my upgrades to about one per year, or when I can be bothered. Bruce, my framebuffer config was much like yours but with one exception: I had CONFIG_X86_SYSFB=y. This was stopping vesafb loading and stopping /dev/fb0 being created. I've removed that option, reconfigured, and now it all works as expected. Regarding vga=792, that still works for me. If I substitute video=1024x768 the command is ignored an I get a large, ugly font. I'm currently using grub-2.0, so I can't understand what the problem is likely to be. Any ideas? Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] 8.3 - Kernel Build
Hello again, I am surprised and confused by the warnings and instructions in Section 8.3 - can someone please elaborate on the points below? I have previously rebuild the kernel several times on a variety of distros and although instructions differ there has always been one unshakable thing in common: the kernel sources always always always live below /usr/src/linux. I have just checked my host system (a recent clean install of slackware - running 3.2.29-smp) and it too has a symlink from /usr/src/linux to the current source tree. So the obvious questions arise: - Where should the kernel source be kept? Presumably below /sources with all the rest? - What are these dire consequences which are alluded to in the warning box at the end of 8.3.1? - Is this a LFS-specific problem or are other distro making a mistake? As just stated there seems to be such a symlink on slackware and I had a brief flirtation with gentoo which I am sure also store kernel source below /usr/src/linux? Again, many thanks, Richard. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] gcc tests
From: William Harrington kb0...@berzerkula.org To: Richard r_j_humphr...@yahoo.co.uk; LFS Support List lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org ... # of expected passes92870 # of expected failures259 # of unsupported tests1096 ... # of expected passes 92152 # of expected failures 263 # of unsupported tests 1283 ... # of expected passes 93302 # of expected failures 261 # of unsupported tests 1368 Thanks for the info. So, at the risk of sounding irretrievably stupid, why are there differing number of tests for the same source? I could understand two separate builds on different hardware having different numbers of unsupported tests, but I was expecting the totals to still be the same. Unless I have mistyped or my mathematics has completely left me: 92870 + 259 + 1096 = 94225 92152 + 263 + 1283 = 93698 93302 + 261 + 1368 = 94931 I'm struggling to understand why we have differing numbers of tests for the same package. (In fairness, the point is now somewhat moot since I have gone ahead with the install - I am just trying to get a better understanding of things. My reasons for attempting LFS are as much educational as practical.) Again, many thanks, R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] gcc tests
Hello again, I have finally completed the leviathan task of my first gcc compilation and test. I am encouraged to have only one unexpected failure outside libmudflap. This leaves me with two questions. 1. How bad is that error? I have inferred that it is probably infrequent - but it does no harm to check... (FAIL: g++.dg/asan/asan_test.C -O2 AddressSanitizer_HugeMallocTest Ident((char*)malloc(size))[-1] = 0 output pattern test, should match is located 1 bytes to the left of 2726297600-byte) 2. Far more worryingly - have I somehow mishandled the tests? I am drawn to startling disparity in the test totals. Here is my gcc summary, based on source tarballs downloaded in the past week or so: === gcc Summary === # of expected passes92870 # of expected failures259 # of unsupported tests1096 and here is the corresponding section from http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/build-logs/stable/core2duo/test-logs/080-gcc (which I believe ran in August): === gcc Summary === # of expected passes93302 # of expected failures261 # of unsupported tests1368 Am I correct in thinking that I am missing 706 tests? Has the test suite really shrunk by 700 tests in the past 8 weeks? Again, many thanks, R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] gcc tests
From: Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com ... Are you using the 7.4 book or svn ? If you are using gcc-4.8.2 then I have no data to offer. ... I am (I hope!) using the plain, normal, generic, unadulterated LFS 7.4 - which means that I just compiled gcc 4.8.1. I will proceed under the assumption that all is well. Thanks, R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] glibc test failures. Acceptable?
I think I neglected to shut down the networking on the host system - so the posix tests did not fail. I did not realise that network isolation was a requirement. I do not have that machine with me here at work - so I will check later. That is interesting. And very puzzling. For me, I don't shut down networking on the host (why would anyone do that ?), but I think that test has always failed for me since it was introduced - it's fairly recent. Right. The issue is that all the needed files are not yest installed in chroot at the time glibc is built for the resolver to work. If building/testing in a full environment, the test passes. There is no need ot disable networking on the host. I was wrong. The posix test failures are there further back in the log. As Mr. Dubbs implied, the build had actually succeeded and installed cleanly. I have now moved on to the later stages. Many thanks for the help, R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] glibc test failures. Acceptable?
Hello experts, I am attempting my first LFS build; which will (hopefully) be 7.4, built on a host system of slackware-14. All went well up until chapter 6. I am unsure as to whether or not the errors in the glibc fall into the acceptable variety or not. glibc appeared to build well enough. Having tried the test suites (with TIMEOUTFACTOR=16 - this is a humble machine), the make - k check ends with: AWK='gawk' scripts/check-local-headers.sh \ /usr/include /source/glibc-build/ /source/glibc-build/check-local-headers.out /usr/bin/perl scripts/begin-end-check.pl argp/argp.h assert/assert.h catgets/nl_types.h crypt/crypt.h ctype/ctype.h debug/execinfo.h dirent/dirent.h dlfcn/dlfcn.h elf/elf.h elf/link.h gmon/sys/gmon.h gmon/sys/gmon_out.h gmon/sys/profil.h grp/grp.h gshadow/gshadow.h iconv/iconv.h iconv/gconv.h inet/netinet/in.h inet/netinet/igmp.h inet/netinet/ip6.h inet/netinet/ether.h inet/netinet/icmp6.h inet/arpa/inet.h inet/arpa/telnet.h inet/arpa/tftp.h inet/arpa/ftp.h inet/protocols/routed.h inet/protocols/timed.h inet/protocols/rwhod.h inet/protocols/talkd.h inet/aliases.h inet/ifaddrs.h inet/netinet/ip6.h inet/netinet/icmp6.h intl/libintl.h io/sys/stat.h io/sys/statfs.h io/sys/vfs.h io/sys/statvfs.h io/fcntl.h io/sys/fcntl.h io/poll.h io/sys/poll.h io/utime.h io/ftw.h io/fts.h io/sys/sendfile.h libio/stdio.h libio/libio.h locale/locale.h locale/langinfo.h locale/xlocale.h login/utmp.h login/lastlog.h login/pty.h malloc/malloc.h malloc/obstack.h malloc/mcheck.h math/math.h math/complex.h math/fenv.h math/tgmath.h misc/sys/uio.h nis/rpcsvc/yp_prot.h nis/rpcsvc/nis_callback.h nis/rpcsvc/yp.h nis/rpcsvc/ypupd.h nis/rpcsvc/nislib.h nis/rpcsvc/nis_tags.h nis/rpcsvc/ypclnt.h nis/rpcsvc/nis.h nptl_db/thread_db.h nptl/sysdeps/pthread/pthread.h nptl/semaphore.h nss/nss.h posix/sys/utsname.h posix/sys/times.h posix/sys/wait.h posix/sys/types.h posix/unistd.h posix/glob.h posix/regex.h posix/wordexp.h posix/fnmatch.h posix/getopt.h posix/tar.h posix/sys/unistd.h posix/sched.h posix/re_comp.h posix/wait.h posix/cpio.h posix/spawn.h pwd/pwd.h resolv/resolv.h resolv/netdb.h resolv/arpa/nameser_compat.h resolv/arpa/nameser.h resource/sys/resource.h resource/sys/vlimit.h resource/sys/vtimes.h resource/ulimit.h rt/aio.h rt/mqueue.h setjmp/setjmp.h shadow/shadow.h signal/signal.h signal/sys/signal.h socket/sys/socket.h socket/sys/un.h stdio-common/printf.h stdio-common/stdio_ext.h stdlib/stdlib.h stdlib/alloca.h stdlib/monetary.h stdlib/fmtmsg.h stdlib/ucontext.h sysdeps/generic/inttypes.h sysdeps/generic/stdint.h stdlib/errno.h stdlib/sys/errno.h string/string.h string/strings.h string/memory.h string/endian.h string/argz.h string/envz.h string/byteswap.h sunrpc/rpc/pmap_clnt.h sunrpc/rpc/xdr.h sunrpc/rpc/rpc_des.h sunrpc/rpc/auth_des.h sunrpc/rpc/pmap_rmt.h sunrpc/rpc/rpc.h sunrpc/rpc/auth.h sunrpc/rpc/key_prot.h sunrpc/rpc/netdb.h sunrpc/rpc/rpc_msg.h sunrpc/rpc/auth_unix.h sunrpc/rpc/pmap_prot.h sunrpc/rpc/svc.h sunrpc/rpc/clnt.h sunrpc/rpc/des_crypt.h sunrpc/rpc/types.h sunrpc/rpc/svc_auth.h sunrpc/rpcsvc/bootparam.h sysvipc/sys/ipc.h sysvipc/sys/msg.h sysvipc/sys/sem.h sysvipc/sys/shm.h termios/termios.h termios/sys/termios.h termios/sys/ttychars.h time/time.h time/sys/time.h time/sys/timeb.h wcsmbs/wchar.h wctype/wctype.h /source/glibc-build/begin-end-check.out make[1]: Target `check' not remade because of errors. make[1]: Leaving directory `/source/glibc-2.18' When I look for just the errors, using 'grep -i error glibc-check-log' I find: ... gcc tst-initializers1-gnu99.c -c -std=gnu99 -fgnu89-inline -O2 -Wall -Winline -Wwrite-strings -fmerge-all-constants -frounding-math -g -Wstrict-prototypes -Wa,-mtune=i686 -W -Wall -Werror -std=gnu99 -I../include -I/source/glibc-build/nptl -I/source/glibc-build -I../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386/i686 -I../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386/i686 -I../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386 -I../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86 -I../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/x86 -I../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386/nptl -I../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/i386 -I../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux -I../nptl/sysdeps/pthread -I../sysdeps/pthread -I../ports/sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux -I../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux -I../sysdeps/gnu -I../sysdeps/unix/inet -I../nptl/sysdeps/unix/sysv -I../ports/sysdeps/unix/sysv -I../sysdeps/unix/sysv -I../sysdeps/unix/i386 -I../nptl/sysdeps/unix -I../ports/sysdeps/unix -I../sysdeps/unix -I../sysdeps/posix -I../sysdeps/i386/i686/fpu/multiarch -I../sysdeps/i386/i686/fpu -I../sysdeps/i386/i686/multiarch -I../nptl/sysdeps/i386/i686 -I../sysdeps/i386/i686 -I../sysdeps/i386/i486 -I../nptl/sysdeps/i386/i486 -I../sysdeps/i386/fpu -I../sysdeps/x86/fpu -I../nptl/sysdeps/i386 -I../sysdeps/i386 -I../sysdeps/x86 -I../sysdeps/wordsize-32 -I../sysdeps/ieee754/ldbl-96 -I../sysdeps/ieee754/dbl-64 -I../sysdeps/ieee754/flt-32 -I../sysdeps/ieee754 -I../sysdeps/generic -I../nptl -I../ports
Re: [lfs-support] glibc test failures. Acceptable?
On Mon, 28/10/13, Bruce Dubbs bruce.du...@gmail.com wrote: I have inferred from the book that 'cputimer1' and 'run-conformtest' might be 'acceptable' failures, but I was surprised that the test suite ended mid-way. It didn't. It finished running. Aha! I see. So I just misinterpreted the messages. OK, my stupid mistake. I am also assuming that glibc is one of the packages that can safely be installed to a fake root - then tarballed 'slackware style'? (i.e: I am intending that my next step would be make DESTDIR=dest install), rather then installing directly. glibc is the 'Rosetta stone' of the system. There is rarely a requirement to update it. If you do need to update it, it's time to rebuild the whole system. I went from 2005 to 2012 on one system before I needed to update. OK. I had not realised that. I stupidly assumed that I might need to handle glibc in a similar manner to other packages. I should probably have inferred that from 6.3.1, evidently I did not understand things as well as I thought. Again, many thanks, R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] glibc test failures. Acceptable?
On Mon, 28/10/13, Ken Moffat zarniwh...@ntlworld.com wrote: I have inferred from the book that 'cputimer1' and 'run-conformtest' might be 'acceptable' failures, but I was surprised that the test suite ended mid-way. Why do you think it ended mid-way ? Your output from the make check command seems to end normally (I was going to cut it from the reply, but I've left it for the moment) - my log ended similarly. I seem to have misinterpreted the response. Ah, you don't seem to have results from the posix/ tests. For me they are run (and fail as noted) before run-conformtest.out. If you look at glibc-check-log (try using less or vim from the host system), does tst-getaddrinfo4 get mentioned ? In my log the .c file gets compiled to .o with a command which references the .o and .o.dt before creating the .o, then gets linked to tst-getaddrinfo4 (by gcc), and then gets invoked in the next line to create tst-getaddrinfo4.out. Do you have any of that in your log ? I think I neglected to shut down the networking on the host system - so the posix tests did not fail. I did not realise that network isolation was a requirement. I do not have that machine with me here at work - so I will check later. I am also assuming that glibc is one of the packages that can safely be installed to a fake root - then tarballed 'slackware style'? (i.e: I am intending that my next step would be make DESTDIR=dest install), rather then installing directly. For the first time, we recommend doing things by-the-book so that you understand how it all fits together. If you wish to try doing things differently, please be aware that you *might* encounter problems that other people don't. I'll probably get shouted at for this - but here goes... ... forgive my stupidity. I was trying to stick to doing things by the book. The method of installing to a fake destination directory is explained in sections 6.3.2.3 and 6.3.2.6; so I thought that using DESTDIR *was* doing things 'by the book'. Based on Mr. Dubbs' comments it seems that things actually went better than I thought. I will persevere tonight I look forward to a successful build soon. Again, many thanks, R. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] BLFS Version 7.4 is released
Excellent news :-) However, may I just point out that there's a broken libungif link on the Emacs-24.3 page. Maybe it should point here: http://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Libungif Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] 7.3 trackball not working with gpm
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 18:57:14 -0800 Richard Coffee richard.cof...@inbox.com wrote: My setup is virtually identical, except POLLDEV was set to Module. Am recompiling kernel now for it. Hope it makes a difference. Thanks. You can cat each device in /dev/input/ while you move your trackball and see which device is used. /dev/input/mice is input from all mice. Then you have separate mouse devices or if your mouse somehow gets an event device then it is with an event device and number. If you get no terminal output when catting /dev/input/mice or /dev/input/mouse0 mouse1... then still a kernel issue. Can always view your kernel log and see what is being loaded. William Harrington kb0...@berzerkula.org Thank you, that was exactly the information I needed to debug the problem. Catting /dev/input/mouse0 gave me good results, and I finally tracked the issue down to, of course, human error, specifically /etc/sysconfig/mouse, the config file for gpm. I had copied the file from my working LFS install on the same machine, without realizing that the path might change. Had to change this line: MDEVICE=/dev/mouse to: MDEVICE=/dev/input/mouse0 I also believe that creating the /dev/mouse link to /dev/input/mouse0 should have worked as well. I haven't really studied that part of the install before, just never had any problems there. Also ran across something I didn't understand, in that there was a kernel message indicating that a /dev/hidraw0 is also the trackball. Catting it indicated this is the case, but gpm would not work with it, only with /dev/input/mouse0. Tailing both input to files showed a difference between the data each is producing. hidraw0 is not present on other LFS installs I've done. Figure it has to be the new kernel version. Thanks to everyone that answered: William, Ken, and Armin. I appreciate the help. richard GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google Talk™ and most webmails -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] 7.3 trackball not working with gpm
I recently finished up with 7.3. Didn't have serious problems getting it to boot, however, when I installed gpm, I couldn't get my trackball to work. Googling the issue came up with a few hits, but nothing very helpful. I suspect it has something to do with the kernel or udev because there is no mouse symlink in /dev as there is with older LFS installs I've done. Grepping the config file for MOUSE showed the exact same settings as I've used in previous kernels. Any advice would be appreciated. richard FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] Boot problem
I have a LFS 7.2 system and a Shuttle AV49 motherboard. About one time in every 20 bootups, my computer hangs up and I have to power it down and back up. When it hangs, the last line I see on the monitor is: Serial: 8250/16550 driver, 4 ports, IRQ sharing enabled When it boots successfully, the next line I see is: serial8250: ttyS0 at I/O 0x3f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A So it appears that the problem has something to do with the uart. I've tried searching the web and I did find some mention of a potential problem detecting the uart, but I didn't find a solution. Is anyone aware of this particular problem? I assume it is a kernel bug of some kind. I haven't been able to get any useful information from the logs, everything just seems to stop at the above point. Thanks, Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] 7.3 trackball not working with gpm
I recently finished up with 7.3. Didn't have serious problems getting it to boot, however, when I installed gpm, I couldn't get my trackball to work. Googling the issue came up with a few hits, but nothing very helpful. I suspect it has something to do with the kernel or udev because there is no mouse symlink in /dev as there is with older LFS installs I've done. Grepping the config file for MOUSE showed the exact same settings as I've used in previous kernels. mouse nodes should be in /dev/input/, for main mouse it's /dev/input/mice. You don't really want the old /dev/psaux interface. On previous installs /dev/mouse has been a link to /dev/input/mouse0. That link is not created for 7.3. If course I don't know if that is the issue, but it is one of the differences I've spotted. Manually creating the link didn't fix the problem, so I'm guessing that it's a symptom and not the cause. I've also looked through the /lib/udev directory files, and tried turning off psaux in the kernel. :( richard FREE 3D EARTH SCREENSAVER - Watch the Earth right on your desktop! Check it out at http://www.inbox.com/earth -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] 7.3 trackball not working with gpm
I recently finished up with 7.3. Didn't have serious problems getting it to boot, however, when I installed gpm, I couldn't get my trackball to work. Googling the issue came up with a few hits, but nothing very helpful. I suspect it has something to do with the kernel or udev because there is no mouse symlink in /dev as there is with older LFS installs I've done. Grepping the config file for MOUSE showed the exact same settings as I've used in previous kernels. mouse nodes should be in /dev/input/, for main mouse it's /dev/input/mice. You don't really want the old /dev/psaux interface. On previous installs /dev/mouse has been a link to /dev/input/mouse0. That link is not created for 7.3. If course I don't know if that is the issue, but it is one of the differences I've spotted. Manually creating the link didn't fix the problem, so I'm guessing that it's a symptom and not the cause. I've also looked through the /lib/udev directory files, and tried turning off psaux in the kernel. :( This is what I've got on my current machine. I don't use gpm, or a trackball, so these might not be _enough_ and I've no idea if the SCREEN sizes matter. # # Input device support # CONFIG_INPUT=y # CONFIG_INPUT_FF_MEMLESS is not set CONFIG_INPUT_POLLDEV=y # CONFIG_INPUT_SPARSEKMAP is not set # CONFIG_INPUT_MATRIXKMAP is not set ...stuff trimmed CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2_TRACKPOINT=y (my options after this are unset, but they might apply to your hardware). My setup is virtually identical, except POLLDEV was set to Module. Am recompiling kernel now for it. Hope it makes a difference. Thanks. richard GET FREE SMILEYS FOR YOUR IM EMAIL - Learn more at http://www.inbox.com/smileys Works with AIM®, MSN® Messenger, Yahoo!® Messenger, ICQ®, Google Talk™ and most webmails -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] LFS Dev Release Schedules
I'm thinking about building a new LFS system based on the development. How often are the development updated? -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] bash vs dash
-Original Message- My error with this page, even after having built one or two versions of LFS, was that the last line: gcc compilation OK that made me ignore the other lines, when some of these lines were telling me that I had requirements to fix. my script aborts if /bin/sh is not bash, awk not gawk or yacc not bison. if awk or yacc are scripts, i show a message to check the script. The idea of the script was that it should be short. Generally the problem is that the symlinks are not set and occasionally makeinfo is not installed. Rarely is the problem an out-of-date executable. I have a suggestion. At the bottom of the list, which the average person will pay more attention to anyway, add this test: [ $(readlink /bin/sh) == dash ] echo FIX ME! or perhaps: if [ $(readlink /bin/sh) == dash ]; then echo FIX ME! fi just my two cents. richard FREE ONLINE PHOTOSHARING - Share your photos online with your friends and family! Visit http://www.inbox.com/photosharing to find out more! -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Booting LFS Error Kernel Panic
On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 14:53 +, Richard Melville wrote: I think that was understood; when they said that it was stupid it was surely meant that there could be some confusion in the use of similar terms. Possibly, though if they'd understood it, you'd think they'd have mentioned the by-partuuid directory, instead of claiming that the gdisk tool was the only way of working out the partition UUID. Simon. It seems a little churlish to pick holes in what is essentially a good article, and, indeed, one that supplied the answer to a question on this list. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Booting LFS Error Kernel Panic
Now it would be nice for it to work using UUIDs so the booting can be independent of host system. You need to use an initrd of that. See BLFS. -- Bruce Would't using GPT instead of MBR be a viable alternative? Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] keyboard-1.15.3 errors on backspace with uk keymap
I've got a few files at http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~ken/ in the keyboard-items and fonts directories - note that LatGrkCyr-8x16 is a 512-ish character font and ships in kbd. It comes from the sigma fonts there which are very much roll your own but do allow a 256 character font if that is what you need. ?en Thanks for the help and the link Ken; I'll have a play when I have more time. I'm still using vga=792 on the grub kernel boot line to get the right (for me) sized screen fonts. Is that still acceptable or is there an alternative? Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] keyboard-1.15.3 errors on backspace with uk keymap
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 01:00:38PM +, Richard Melville wrote: When I use backspace in the terminal/console and then re-type I get white blocking. I'm fairly sure that I installed the patches when I built the keyboard package. Any advice? It's really annoying. Richard I suppose white blocks might be a result of a console font which cannot display the glyph it was asked for. In a unicode font, that situation ought to show an inverse question mark (black-on-white for normally white-on-black text), but many fonts cannot do that. However, that doesn't explain why the backspace isn't effective. The backspace patch only changes this for a few keymaps which still gave Backspace instead of Delete - the last time I looked (some time before 1.15.3, so something might have slipped in), all of the other keymaps shipped in the package already did this. What do you have in /etc/sysconfig/console ? ?en Ken -- thanks for the reply. I changed the font setting over the weekend and now it seems to be OK. The problem was the following: typing worked OK, and if I made a typo and wanted to delete with the backspace key, deletion worked OK, however, when I began to type again that's when I saw the white blocking. I know very little about fonts, keymaps, unicode, etc. What I would like to do is set up a unicode environment but I'm not sure how to go about it, although I'll probably only be using an accented e, an umlaut/diaeresis, and a euro symbol in addition to a uk keymap. The following are the console parameters of /etc/sysconfig/rc.site (I'm not using /etc/sysconfig/console) and I've left my original font setting in, but commented out:- # Console parameters UNICODE=0 KEYMAP=uk #KEYMAP_CORRECTIONS=euro2 #FONT=default8x16 FONT=lat1-16 -m 8859-1 #LEGACY_CHARSET= Thanks for your help. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] keyboard-1.15.3 errors on backspace with uk keymap
When I use backspace in the terminal/console and then re-type I get white blocking. I'm fairly sure that I installed the patches when I built the keyboard package. Any advice? It's really annoying. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Strsnge udev-181 behaviour
Richard Melville wrote:
I have one Ethernet adapter (Intel 82574L Gigabit) but udev has found two
complete with MAC addresses. The phantom version is installed on eth0
and
the real version is installed on eth1. I've searched the system for the
phantom MAC address but I cannot find any reference to it. Has anybody
else experienced this behaviour? The only other case I can find is
somebody on a Raspberry Pi list who experienced the same phantom creation
with udev and his wireless adapter.
Sometimes a Gigabit adapter will have tho connections. Once the chip is
designed, it's probably just as easy to produce that as a separate chip
with one interface.
Thanks Bruce, I suppose that's the logical explanation as, AFAIK, only the
manufacturer can embed a MAC address in the hardware.
What are the contents of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules?
-- Bruce
Contents of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules:-
# This file was automatically generated by the /lib/udev/write_net_rules
# program, run by the persistent-net-generator.rules rules file.
#
# You can modify it, as long as you keep each rule on a single
# line, and change only the value of the NAME= key.
# PCI device 0x8086:/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1c.0/:01:00.0
(e1000e)
SUBSYSTEM==net, ACTION==add, DRIVERS==?*,
ATTR{address}==00:22:4d:7c:be:b7, ATTR{dev_id}==0x0, ATTR{type}==1,
KERNEL==eth*, NAME=eth0
# PCI device 0x8086:/sys/devices/pci:00/:00:1c.0/:01:00.0
(e1000e)
SUBSYSTEM==net, ACTION==add, DRIVERS==?*,
ATTR{address}==00:22:4d:9a:f4:89, ATTR{dev_id}==0x0, ATTR{type}==1,
KERNEL==eth*, NAME=eth1
Richard
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Re: [lfs-support] vi for chapter 6
Or just create your scripts with cat blah EOF Then if you have errors use sed or perl to fix them! Sincerely, William Harrington A little off-topic but I've pondered this for a long time: in the LFS book why is EOF always in quotes; I've found EOF without quotes to work just fine. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Test failures in automake-1.12.3 : sorted!
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:32:22AM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: and I'll open a ticket for this possible fix to t/python-missing.sh. Normally, I'd just upload the patch, but I'd prefer to get confirmation that it fixes the problem. More on -dev when I've created a ticket. Forget that - the testsuite fix was applied upstream in August, and 1.12.4 came out in September (#3185) so fixing the 1.12.3 tests is a waste of time. However, I do think that perhaps we shouldn't discourage people from running the automake testsuite on modern processors : sure, with -j1 it takes an excessively long time, but with modern SMP it runs much quicker if you use -j4. ?en Hi Ken I'm not sure I understand what's going on here. When I tested automake-1.12.2 *without* python installed I received no such error:- == Testsuite summary for GNU Automake 1.12.2 == # TOTAL: 2852 # PASS: 2648 # SKIP: 164 # XFAIL: 40 # FAIL: 0 # XPASS: 0 # ERROR: 0 == Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] GCC-4.7.1-Pass 2 MPC configure fails
On Wed, Aug 08, 2012 at 07:01:02PM +0100, Richard Melville wrote: I realise that I'm building the dev edition, but my host is Linux Mint Cinnamon 64 bit and the host requirements appeared to fit better. Also it looked as though the dev edition was at a reasonably stable stage. I'm building a 64 bit edition on a 64 bit host (OS and hardware). The failure is:- checking for MPFR... no configure: error: libmpfr not found or uses a different ABI (including static vs shared). make[1]: *** [configure-mpc] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-build' make: *** [all] Error 2 Everything has built fine up to this stage and the sanity checks were OK. MPFR and GMP have compiled OK with the libraries installed in .libs. I've even checked to make sure that the MPFR libraries were 64 bit, and now I've run out of ideas. I'd be really grateful for any help. I've tried rebuilding GCC four times now with the same result. Richard Richard - since this is still bugging you, I've come back to your original post. I notice one thing which nobody has mentioned: *when* you get this error, look at the *appropriate* config.log file [ gcc, like binutils, runs configure in multiple directories]. Even if this error happens/happened when running 'make', the error was within one of the configure scripts - gcc builds everything several times, and each time it configures the directories within it. Whenever configure fails (I usually point this out for cannot create executables messages), the key to understanding the problem is to find the appropriate config.log file, open that up in 'view' (or 'less'), search for 'a different ABI', and then look for the error messages in the lines before that. Probably, an error from gcc or ld. Once you have the error message, there are two possibilities: 1. it will indicate an error you made, and perhaps be blindingly obvious (I've had that when I was building for multiple archs and accidentally fell through to passing some ppc-only options in my CFLAGS :) - if so, please give the list a brief summary of what went wrong so that the next person who eventually does that can fix it. or, more likely: 2. Something new, which needs to be addressed. The ABI in the message reminds me of a past problem with gmp where, if CFLAGS were set, a processor capable of running 64-bit code would default to building 64-bit even though the rest of hte build was 32-bit. But, the variability in your results suggests this is not something easy like that. Bruce and Ken -- thanks for the replies and apologies for my tardy response. The fact is that I finished the build a while ago with this problem being pretty much the only real issue. I deleted all the packages and files so I don't have anything to work with in terms of tracking down exactly what happened. I've tried rebuilding GCC a couple of times since but I've been unable to replicate the failure. I'm fairly certain that it was a bug of some sort (too many others have reported the same issue) but now I have no proof. I realise that without the logs of the failed build it's pointless discussing the issue, unless. of course, the next person to experience the problem is willing to share their log files. Anyway, thanks again for your help. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] GCC-4.7.1-Pass 2 MPC configure fails
Richard Melville wrote: Finally -- some recognition that there is a potential problem with this build. I disagree that it works okay for x86 and x86_64 because I reported here that the MPC configure error appeared randomly on my x86_64 build, as, indeed, others have. I've already suggested building outside the tree in chapter 5, as we do in chapter 6. I still believe that there is some sort of race condition happening by building the three packages in the tree at the same time, but I've been too busy of late to test for that. Have you seen the problem with 'make -j1' Yes I probably build lfs more than anyone else and have never seen this issue. -- Bruce I originally tried with make -j2, but when it failed I set make -j1 having first created a newly untarred copy; It still failed, and failed a further couple of times before finally building, apparently at random, that is, with me doing nothing different from the other occasions with make -j1 set. It's weird. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] GCC-4.7.1-Pass 2 MPC configure fails
William Harrington wrote: Sometimes you can't build mpfr mpc and gmp within the gcc source tree for some targets. We found that out in CLFS. That's we we don't build gmp mpc and mpfr within the tree. Works okay for x86 and x86_64, however, when you start building for other targets, it becomes hairy. You may want to try to build gmp mpfr and mpc separately. I've been mostly quietly keeping up with this question on several lists: is it better to build those programs in the source tree or separately? There's a discussion somewhere (on a gcc list?) that comes down strongly on the side of building them in the source tree. It even asks why anyone would want to do it differently. Yet the programs contain instructions for tuning, which requires them to be built separately. During the 1 1/2 years I've been playing around with compiling gcc and all of the LFS programs, I've experimented with building separately many times. No problem building them, but gcc usually fails to find at least one of them. Now, I'm a real newbie when it comes to all this, but if anyone knows why gcc can't seem to find the programs, I'd sure like to know. I'm trying to understand all the ins and outs of everything covered by LFS and a lot more besides. Alan Finally -- some recognition that there is a potential problem with this build. I disagree that it works okay for x86 and x86_64 because I reported here that the MPC configure error appeared randomly on my x86_64 build, as, indeed, others have. I've already suggested building outside the tree in chapter 5, as we do in chapter 6. I still believe that there is some sort of race condition happening by building the three packages in the tree at the same time, but I've been too busy of late to test for that. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] LFS 7.2 GCC pass 1
On 09/03/2012 03:53 PM, Israel Silberg wrote: checking for MPFR... no configure: error: libmpfr not found or uses a different ABI (including static vs shared). make[2]: *** [configure-stage1-mpc] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-build' make[1]: *** [stage1-bubble] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-build' make: *** [all] Error 2 For what it's worth, I ran into the same problem but found that it was just a typographical error on the last line of the configure command, where --with-mpfr-lib is defined. Since it's the last line you may have truncated it during the cut/paste or something. One thing is just to try find /mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-build -name 'libmpfr*' -print and see if that gives you anything. If so, check to see if the path is what you have as the value for --with-mpfr-lib. Another thing you can do is look at /mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-build/mpc/config.log. Search for libmpfr not found and if you look above that a page or two you'll see the gcc command that's testing for libmpfr. It's trying to compile a program called conftest. See if the paths given in the -L directives there match what you gave for --with-mpfr-lib. You can even extract the code for conftest.c (it's down below the error message if I remember right) and try to build it yourself in /mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-build/mpc/ using the gcc command line from config.log. Somewhere in the process you should see something that gives you a clue! Tim Thanks Tim, those tips will be really useful for anybody who encounters that problem again. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Symlinking /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts
Richard Melville wrote: I've noticed that this was recommended way back on LFS 3.3 but now seems to have been dropped. As all the distros appear to have caught up with LFS by having this symlink what are the current views here on creating it? I've noticed some discussion on the dev list in January but it seems to have been inconclusive. The last I looked at it, doing the symlink make the output of the mount command break some scripts. For instance, instead of having /dev/sda12 on / type ext3 (rw) it would give /dev/root / ext3 rw,... 0 0 /dev/root does not provide any useful information, especially since /dev/root does not exist in /dev. /dev/sda12 does tell me which partition is mounted as root. -- Bruce Thanks Bruce, I'll check that out. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] Symlinking /etc/mtab to /proc/mounts
I've noticed that this was recommended way back on LFS 3.3 but now seems to have been dropped. As all the distros appear to have caught up with LFS by having this symlink what are the current views here on creating it? I've noticed some discussion on the dev list in January but it seems to have been inconclusive. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] LFS 7.2 GCC pass 1
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Richard Melville richard.melvill...@googlemail.com wrote: I extracted all of these packages from within the GCC-4.7.1 folder snip I'd still be interested to know why we build GMP, MPC, and MPFR inside GCC except on the final build where they are built separately. Richard During pass 1, GCC requires the GMP, MPC and MPFR libraries, but we don't want GCC to get these libraries from the host. GCC searches for the libraries either via the regular search paths *or* inside it's own source tree. We install a temporary copy inside the GCC source tree to take advantage of this, and thus allow GCC to not be contaminated with host libraries During pass 2, we are in a protected chroot environment, so we are no longer concerned about the host. So other programs in pass 2 can take advantage of the GMP, MPC and MPFR libraries later in the build, we install them before GCC instead of in the source tree. -- -- - Steve Crosby Thanks for the reply Steve ( and Eleanor earlier). Picking up on what Bruce said about the possibility of race conditions relating to building GCC with MAKEFLAGS set to -j 1, I'm wondering if there may be a race condition affecting the GCC build with GMP, MPC, and MPFR building inside the GCC directory at the same time. I have no proof for this; it's just a hypothesis, but I was wondering what others may think. There is *definitely* a problem where the GCC build sometimes fails at the same point each time (checking for MPFR), and then builds OK on a random attempt. I'm not aware of the problem ever occurring on the final build of GCC where GMP, MPC, and MPFR are built outside the GCC directory. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] LFS 7.2 GCC pass 1
On 2012-09-05 10:43, Richard Melville wrote: Thanks for the reply Steve ( and Eleanor earlier). ?Picking up on what Bruce said about the possibility of race conditions relating to building GCC with MAKEFLAGS set to -j 1, Im wondering if there may be a race condition affecting the GCC build with GMP, MPC, and MPFR building inside the GCC directory at the same time. ?I have no proof for this; its just a hypothesis, but I was wondering what others may think. ?There is *definitely* a problem where the GCC build sometimes fails at the same point each time (checking for MPFR), and then builds OK on a random attempt. ?Im not aware of the problem ever occurring on the final build of GCC where GMP, MPC, and MPFR are built outside the GCC directory. Richard I've been bashing away at building LFS for a VERY long time, and done many many builds of 7.2, this problem has not hit me once, Well aren't you the lucky one. If you took the trouble to look back over the mailing list you would see that a number of people have experienced the error. I would suggest you stop building GCC with MAKEFLAGS set to -j 1, as was suggested. -- Jasmine Iwanek If you spent less time hectoring people and more time reading the posts you would know that I'm quite aware of the issues surrounding the setting of MAKEFLAGS. What is your problem? Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] LFS 7.2 GCC pass 1
On 2012-09-05 15:34, Baho Utot wrote: On 09/05/2012 09:55 AM, Jasmine Iwanek wrote: Leaping before looking is what I do well and it has taught me a great deal. Following a path by others may be a very good guide, but to truly learn requires ones to deviate from the beaten path and strike out on your own. How else can you create a truly giant mess in which to learn from? Like taking LFS and adding pacman packager. By scripting your builds you learn a great deal about linux and admin. One also has the opportunity to learn some debugging skills. Scripted builds also give one repeatability once they are working. I have scripted my LFS builds and incorporating the pacman package manager. I started with 6.8 and I am currently completing 7.2. I did so that I can confirm that my scripts produce a proper build, i.e. it was tested over the four builds which gave me the opportunity to weed out non apparent errors. I then took those same packages produced by the build and installed them onto 5 other machines so I could check to see if the build was generic for the i686 and x86_64 platforms. I now have a solid platform in which to create a distribution system ( as well building BLFS ) as for the computers under my care. I have learned many things. I still think that helping others even if they have failed to follow the book is a worthy goal as it shows where the book my be improved. Who knows by some not following the book new things are learned? Helping others is always good. Oh, I agree with you fully, don't get me wrong, but people should be starting at the start, not the end. -- Jasmine Iwanek What is that supposed to mean? Really, if you have nothing useful to say then don't say anything. Thanks for your positive post Baho. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] LFS 7.2 GCC pass 1
Walter Webb wrote: I just joined this list and can't respond properly. I had a different file not found than Israel Silberg. I unset MAKEFLAGS and retried, and it worked. I'm glad you got it to build, but that's the conclusion of a simple empiricist. It's like me saying that because I went to the kitchen and made a cup of tea before it built successfully, then it must have been the tea. I also unset MAKEFLAGS from -j 2 and it *didn't* work for me. Good point. Using -j 1 can cause problems in some packages. It can cause race conditions that sometimes cause a failure. I suppose we can put a warning about this in the gcc sections, but we'd need it in three places. -- Bruce There's already a warning near the beginning of the book. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] LFS 7.2 GCC pass 1
I extracted all of these packages from within the GCC-4.7.1 folder and the configure and make are from gcc-build Here is the output for ls -lah of gcc-4.7.1 lfs@kitt-Lenovo-Product:/mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-4.7.1$ ls -lah total 11M drwxr-xr-x 33 lfs lfs 4.0K Sep 3 09:25 . drwxrwxrwt 4 lfs lfs 4.0K Sep 3 09:27 .. -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 38K Jul 4 2003 ABOUT-NLS -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 18K Jul 14 2005 COPYING -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 26K Jul 14 2005 COPYING.LIB -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 3.3K Apr 9 2009 COPYING.RUNTIME -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 35K Jul 17 2007 COPYING3 -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 7.5K Jul 17 2007 COPYING3.LIB -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 524K Jun 14 11:27 ChangeLog -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 3.2K May 13 2004 ChangeLog.tree-ssa drwxr-xr-x 2 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:48 INSTALL -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 58 Jun 14 11:48 LAST_UPDATED -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 22K Feb 17 2012 MAINTAINERS -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 6.0M Jun 14 13:01 MD5SUMS -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 25K Jan 2 2012 Makefile.def -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 1.4M May 16 18:54 Makefile.in -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 67K May 16 18:54 Makefile.tpl -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 579K Jun 14 11:48 NEWS -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 815 Oct 10 2009 README drwxr-xr-x 7 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:35 boehm-gc -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 3.7K Aug 22 2009 compile drwxr-xr-x 2 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:35 config -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 25K Mar 22 2011 config-ml.in -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 44K Jun 6 2011 config.guess -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 15K Feb 13 2011 config.rpath -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 35K Nov 2 2011 config.sub -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 458K Feb 2 2012 configure -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 101K Feb 2 2012 configure.ac drwxr-xr-x 5 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:35 contrib -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 19K Aug 22 2009 depcomp drwxr-xr-x 3 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:48 fixincludes drwxr-xr-x 17 lfs lfs 20K Sep 3 09:27 gcc drwxr-xr-x 14 lfs lfs 4.0K May 6 14:20 gmp drwxr-xr-x 2 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:37 gnattools drwxr-xr-x 2 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:35 include -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 14K Aug 22 2009 install-sh drwxr-xr-x 2 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:34 intl drwxr-xr-x 2 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:48 libada drwxr-xr-x 4 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:48 libcpp drwxr-xr-x 4 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:37 libdecnumber drwxr-xr-x 7 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:48 libffi drwxr-xr-x 4 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:37 libgcc drwxr-xr-x 9 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:48 libgfortran drwxr-xr-x 6 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:47 libgo drwxr-xr-x 4 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 12:02 libgomp drwxr-xr-x 4 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:35 libiberty drwxr-xr-x 4 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 13:01 libitm drwxr-xr-x 15 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:37 libjava drwxr-xr-x 3 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:34 libmudflap drwxr-xr-x 4 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:47 libobjc drwxr-xr-x 5 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 12:49 libquadmath drwxr-xr-x 3 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:48 libssp drwxr-xr-x 11 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:34 libstdc++-v3 -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 3.3K Sep 20 2007 libtool-ldflags -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 258K Nov 21 2011 libtool.m4 -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 1.8K Sep 26 2008 ltgcc.m4 -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 244K Jan 13 2011 ltmain.sh drwxr-xr-x 2 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:35 lto-plugin -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 12K Dec 5 2009 ltoptions.m4 -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 4.3K Sep 26 2008 ltsugar.m4 -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 703 Dec 5 2009 ltversion.m4 -rw-r--r-- 1 lfs lfs 6.0K Dec 5 2009 lt~obsolete.m4 drwxr-xr-x 2 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:37 maintainer-scripts -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 12K Aug 22 2009 missing -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 2.2K Jul 22 2000 mkdep -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 3.5K Aug 22 2009 mkinstalldirs -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 2.6K Feb 12 2011 move-if-change drwxr-xr-x 6 lfs lfs 4.0K Jul 19 15:46 mpc drwxr-xr-x 9 lfs lfs 4.0K Jul 3 18:02 mpfr -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 2.3K Jul 14 2005 symlink-tree -rwxr-xr-x 1 lfs lfs 6.1K Aug 22 2009 ylwrap drwxr-xr-x 11 lfs lfs 4.0K Jun 14 11:34 zlib I know it's frustrating -- it's the same bug that I and numerous others have experienced, but none of the team will accept that it's a bug. It took me four or five attempts to get GCC to build, but my problem was at pass 2. At one attempt I even copied and pasted the whole instruction set and it still failed at the same point that you've found. Bruce suggested wrapping the commands in a script so you can see what's happening, and that seems like a good idea, however I had already built it by then by doing nothing different -- just trying it yet again. I'd still be interested to know why we build GMP, MPC, and MPFR inside GCC except on the final build where they are built separately. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Perl-5.16.1 test failures in Ch 6 SVN-20120816
Thanks, but perhaps not necessary - it seems to be a problem at my end (see Bruce's response, and my reply to that). In particular, the run as a regular user seems NOT to be the key. ?en -- das eine Mal als Trag?die, das andere Mal als Farce Probably not of much use to you then, but as I ran the tests last night as root here are the results:- == Testsuite summary for GNU Automake 1.12.2 == # TOTAL: 2852 # PASS: 2648 # SKIP: 164 # XFAIL: 40 # FAIL: 0 # XPASS: 0 # ERROR: 0 == Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Perl-5.16.1 test failures in Ch 6 SVN-20120816
Richard Melville wrote: Failed 2 tests out of 2202, 99.91% okay. ../cpan/IO-Compress/t/105oneshot-zip-only.t ../cpan/Time-Local/t/Local.t I'm guessing that this is not a problem. Any views appreciated. That's a problem we are working right now. It's a timezone installation issue. From your comments, you appear to be pretty new to LFS. Why are you not using the stable version? -- Bruce Thanks Bruce. I'm a little rusty with LFS as I'm revisiting it after some years. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] Perl-5.16.1 test failures in Ch 6 SVN-20120816
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 12:04:49AM +0100, Ken Moffat wrote: Unfortunately, this was unlogged and scrolled out of my term's buffer - it then died with an EPERM trying to create test-suite.log.tmp so I've now started it again, after chown me ../automake-1.12.3. So, in effect that is chown -R some-normal-user ../automake-1.12.x If you are interested, compare what we do for the coreutils tests. [ if you aren't, I understand ] ?en -- das eine Mal als Trag?die, das andere Mal als Farce Thanks for the really detailed replies Ken -- it's much appreciated. I'm building this when I have the spare time; I'll see if I can run the tests tonight and get back to you. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] coreutils-8.17 tests run as nobody fails
Thanks Bruce -- the nobody test suite now runs but all tests fail owing to mv and grep not being found :-( Maybe I should just move on. That would be best for you until I get this fixed. The problem is that we are using a different version of su in Chapter 6 than we used to use. The old version was from coreutils. The new version is from shadow and the behavior is different. Specifically it changes PATH and /tools/bin is missing. I need to correct the path for these tests to work. Thanks Bruce -- what was the thinking behind using SU from Shadow instead of Coreutils? Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] Perl-5.16.1 test failures in Ch 6 SVN-20120816
Failed 2 tests out of 2202, 99.91% okay. ../cpan/IO-Compress/t/105oneshot-zip-only.t ../cpan/Time-Local/t/Local.t I'm guessing that this is not a problem. Any views appreciated. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] coreutils-8.17 tests run as nobody fails
Richard Melville wrote: Some help with this would be great -- I just can't understand it. I ran the tests as root which ran OK. I've added the temporary group and changed permissions but when I run:- su nobody -s /bin/bash -c make RUN_EXPENSIVE_TESTS=yes -k check || true It returns:- bash: make: command not found. That's due to an issue associated with changes I made about 12 hours ago. Try: su nobody -s /bin/bash -c TZ=UCT0 /tools/bin/make RUN_EXPENSIVE_TESTS=yes -k check || true -- Bruce Thanks Bruce -- the nobody test suite now runs but all tests fail owing to mv and grep not being found :-( Maybe I should just move on. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
Hi! I had been using LFS for half a year until I realized that keeping it up-to-date is a pain. I feel I'd like to have some hard work again:), so now I'm trying to upgrade that system. As far as I know It could be a failure, but definately not an easy task... I'm confused about how to upgrade the toolchain. I believe constructing a temp. system can be skipped, as I have a functional LFS. I'm doing the project chrooting into LFS. I have updated the arithmetic packages that gcc need, and binutils. Ok, to make it short I don't know the order of the packages to update. Any clue would be appreciated! Why do you want to upgrade? Is something not working or do you just want the latest of each package. I have to agree -- I'm still running a venerable LFS 6.1.1 build which is quite capable of supporting, for example, the latest Erlang and Postgres packages. I do have a question, however, regarding vulnerabilities in old packages. Does anybody know of a good website that lists vulnerabilities as they are found. That would enable us to replace just those packages in old builds that represent a security risk. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] upgrading 2-year-old sys
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:32:06AM +0100, Richard Melville wrote: I do have a question, however, regarding vulnerabilities in old packages. Does anybody know of a good website that lists vulnerabilities as they are found. That would enable us to replace just those packages in old builds that represent a security risk. The best I can do is to point you to what I added to BLFS : http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/svn/postlfs/vulnerabilities.html ?en -- das eine Mal als Trag?die, das andere Mal als Farce Thanks Ken -- that was really helpful. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] GCC-4.6.2 on 32 bit Mint13 mpfr error
Just went through this step in linux mint 32bit in vmware and found no issues. That's because it's an intermittent bug. I've just had the same problem using Linux Mint Cinnamon 64 bit. Sometimes the error message appears and sometimes it doesn't. If you look back through the posts in the mailing list you will see that a number of people have experienced this bug irrespective of host used. Richard Explain the exact commands used at the command line and any environment variables you may have changed. Sincerely, William Harrington -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] Google Chrome disappears after running script to remove $LFS/dev/shm symlink
Can anybody tell me why the above happens? I'm using Chrome on the host to follow the book. Chrome won't restart and I'm now using Firefox. I noticed that the symlink was also removed from the host /dev directory; should that be so? I'm guessing that's why Chrome halted. I thought that the script would just remove the $LFS/dev symlink. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] GCC-4.7.1-Pass 2 MPC configure fails
Richard Melville wrote: I realise that I'm building the dev edition, but my host is Linux Mint Cinnamon 64 bit and the host requirements appeared to fit better. Also it looked as though the dev edition was at a reasonably stable stage. I'm building a 64 bit edition on a 64 bit host (OS and hardware). The failure is:- checking for MPFR... no configure: error: libmpfr not found or uses a different ABI (including static vs shared). make[1]: *** [configure-mpc] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-build' make: *** [all] Error 2 Everything has built fine up to this stage and the sanity checks were OK. MPFR and GMP have compiled OK with the libraries installed in .libs. I've even checked to make sure that the MPFR libraries were 64 bit, and now I've run out of ideas. I'd be really grateful for any help. I've tried rebuilding GCC four times now with the same result. Are you sure you changed to the gcc-4.7.1 directory before tar -Jxf ../mpfr-3.1.1.tar.xz mv -v mpfr-3.1.1 mpfr tar -Jxf ../gmp-5.0.5.tar.xz mv -v gmp-5.0.5 gmp tar -zxf ../mpc-1.0.tar.gz mv -v mpc-1.0 mpc -- Bruce Thanks for the really quick response Bruce -- much appreciated. I'm 99.9% certain that I was in gcc-4.7.1; It's a routine -- untar and then cd. Even if I forgot once (which is unlikely) I don't believe that I would have forgotten on all four occasions; I always double check everything. I've now attempted building gcc for the fifth time and it has built OK; this is really weird. I've trawled the web and noticed that others have had the same error message in MPC configure without finding a positive answer. Could it be a strange intermittent bug? I'm not trying to shift responsibility from my own actions, but I just can't see what I did differently the fifth time around. Thanks again. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: [lfs-support] GCC-4.7.1-Pass 2 MPC configure fails
Hi Bruce I've now completed the temp build successfully, but digging around in the file system to try and track down that error I've noticed that I have the following directories under $LFS/tools (in addition to all the others of course):- x86_64-lfs-linux-gnu x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu That can't be right can it? They seem to hold duplicated content. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
[lfs-support] GCC-4.7.1-Pass 2 MPC configure fails
I realise that I'm building the dev edition, but my host is Linux Mint Cinnamon 64 bit and the host requirements appeared to fit better. Also it looked as though the dev edition was at a reasonably stable stage. I'm building a 64 bit edition on a 64 bit host (OS and hardware). The failure is:- checking for MPFR... no configure: error: libmpfr not found or uses a different ABI (including static vs shared). make[1]: *** [configure-mpc] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/lfs/sources/gcc-build' make: *** [all] Error 2 Everything has built fine up to this stage and the sanity checks were OK. MPFR and GMP have compiled OK with the libraries installed in .libs. I've even checked to make sure that the MPFR libraries were 64 bit, and now I've run out of ideas. I'd be really grateful for any help. I've tried rebuilding GCC four times now with the same result. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Clock Problems
Mykal Fink wrote:- I replaced the battery and the behavior didn't change. But at least, for a very small outlay, you can now rule out battery problems, and you don't have to worry about losing time when the box is unplugged. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Clock Problems
I agree with everything that's been said, but why not just *buy the battery*; then you'll have no time concerns whatsoever. In the UK they cost from about £1 upwards, depending on the type. I really can't see what the problem is. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Clock Problems
Sorry, I meant to say no time problems whatsoever regarding the battery. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Clock Problems
On Friday 11 December 2009 12:49:52 Johnneylee Rollins wrote: I am use to old hardware (i486DX) having problems keeping time on the hardware clock. But isn't the system clock a separate thing? I am losing about 4 min on the system clock for every 10 minutes of real time. I've googled around for clock drift information. What I found suggests that a system under heavy load with the 2.6.x kernel on certain hardware might show this symptom. I've yet to try it, but I've read that adding clock=pit noapic nolapic to the boot parameters should fix it. Is this something that will affect an LFS build? I don't like the idea of finding out towards the end that it will. That is my main concern. Should I ignore the clock issue? Is this something I should concern myself about? Any advice would be welcome. Thanks in Advance, Mykal Funk I'm not sure about a permanent fix, but a script to update the time with a ntp server might help. I'm not sure of the best method for offline use unless someone can absolve this issue with a more permanent solution. You may use the hwclock command periodically (that is in cron job) to help keeping your system time accurate. It's a very old motherboard; a dying cmos battery will affect the hardware clock which in turn will affect the system clock. You could try replacing the battery (usually a coin cell); they're not very expensive. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Stormy Peters and the Gnome Foundation
Just a quick report back. Although a good night was had by all, Stormy probably wasn't the right person to ask about Gnome technical issues as her post is mainly managerial. In reply to Jason she did say that Nautilus was very much in active development and that The Gnome Foundation was very keen to get input from users. In reply to Alan she said that her own view about Mono was that she wouldn't want to say that people shouldn't use it but she, personally, felt that it was best avoided. In reply to my question about GConf she answered, quite honestly, that she did not know enough about it. Although I wasn't able to glean much information regarding the above questions it was really good to meet Stormy Peters and to be able to discuss the work of The Gnome Foundation with her. Thanks again for your questions. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Stormy Peters and the Gnome Foundation
Thanks to Simon, Alan and Jason for the feedback; I'll put the two questions to Stormy. Simon, I take your point but my only thoughts on the relationship between Windows and Gnome was that they both have registries and they can both become corrupted. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone
Running old computers is often touted as the green option. It's a fact that the two most vulnerable components in such computers are the power supply and the hard disk. Having had both of these components fail at various times on oldish boxes I can only infer that those on this mailing list continually running *very* old computers must be continually replacing these components. This is hardly an economic pursuit as new components for old computers are always much more expensive than their modern counterparts (RAM for instance). If, instead of new parts, old parts are being recycled then the failure rate on a particular computer must be even greater. Finally, old computers are far less efficient than new ones in terms of power consumed. So, they're large, noisy, power hungry, and expensive to maintain. To conclude then, I really can't see the attraction. Recycle them and treat yourself to something new, small, quiet, and relatively powerful. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone
Simon Geard said:- Because an external DVD writer costs on average three times what an internal one does, and offers roughly half the read and write speeds. It also adds clutter to my desk, and adds to the mess of cabling down the back of the desk, not to mention the inevitable bulky AC/DC adapter taking up several wall sockets. Simon. Mine (a very small slimline drive) is powered from the USB port. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: UDEV - Not Leaving Well Enough Alone
Bruce Dubbs wrote:- That works for you, but for most people, it's far easier to use a usb thumb drive with capacities in GB to do the same thing. Some very old systems do not have usb connections, but many, if not most, newer systems do not have a floppy drive. Parallel printer connections have gone away too. -- Bruce Bruce, i have to say that I agree, but I'm not sure who is using those old systems (that) do not have usb connections. When all we had in the way of removable media was floppy disks then there was no choice. However, they were unreliable then just as they are today. I remember buying packets of floppy disks only to find that when I started to use them some were faulty. Today we have a whole array of removable media from which to choose. It seems churlish, therefore, to select something that is built on outdated and unreliable technology. If I had my way I would round up all the floppy disks in the world and burn them, thus doing everybody a favour. And while I was at it I would throw all those clunky old fax machines onto the same fire. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Grub-1.97 problems
I kept building kernels, and /boot partition kept filling up, and eventually I switched to just using a /boot directory on the root /. I've found that LVM is excellent for managing partitions that need to be resized. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Upgrading udev
I need to upgrade udev-056 to a more recent version, say 122, on a older LFS. This, I understand, can be tricky. I figured if I chrooted into the system from elsewhere, deleted the existing version and reinstalled it would work. What do you think, any advice on this matter appreciated? MAC Hi Cliff I've been working away from home for some months so I don't have access to my LFS/BLFS boxes. As I mentioned before, I upgraded LFS 6.11 from what was an early version of udev (which needed hotplug) to a relatively recent version. I had no problems that I can remember; i think that I just overwrote the old version and removed hotplug, although maybe I removed both first -- not sure. . My advice though is to work on a copy of the OS -- that way if something does go wrong then you have other copies to fall back on. It also means that you don't have to work on a live version. i usually have different copies that I can boot into from grub. i can run from the master and mount other copies (directories or files) on a temporary mount point; trying different upgrades on each. If it doesn't work out (if you can't boot into that copy) then you can delete that copy and you still have the master. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Asus EeePC Laptop
Adrian Fisher wrote:- I don't really like the interface that comes with it but that is not the reason I bought it. I bought it with the intention of wiping it and putting my own system on there. After you have it successfully dual-booting Xandros/LFS you can wipe the Xandros partition. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Asus EeePC Laptop
Adrian Fisher wrote:- I want to put LFS on my ASUS Eee PC Laptop (40GB SSD) but it has no CD/DVD drive and I have no external one. While it already has Linux on it it is a minimal installation as it has no compiler and no means of installing software manually, other than the few packages Asus saw fit to make available for it. It doesn't have a compiler but it does have a terminal (Ctrl+Alt+T), a browser, and even wget; so no, you can't build software on it but you can install binaries of your choice as root. I have an EeePC for note-taking at events, and some web surfing and email, so I haven't done much with it. Maybe you could create another partition and install LFS on that partition from a USB flash drive. Then you could adjust grub accordingly -- just an idea. However, storage space may be a problem. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Fail in compiling GCC
Amir Khezrian a écrit : Hi Hello, first of all, thank you for your helps. I did all according to the book but, during the compilation of gcc i encountered with some errors. these are the last lines that are shown during the compilation of gcc : Did you read them ? /usr/bin/install: writing `../../host-i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc/libgcc.a': No space left on device This is a big hint : the device you're using seems full. The output of df (or df -i, in some cases) should give you a confirmation. Make sure the partition you're installing LFS to is big enough. From LFS 6.5 : A minimal system requires a partition of around 1.3 gigabytes (GB). This is enough to store all the source tarballs and compile the packages. However, if the LFS system is intended to be the primary Linux system, additional software will probably be installed which will require additional space (2-3 GB). Good luck, -- Nico. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: userspace error
Bruce Dubbs wrote:- In fact, I have: /dev/sda5/ ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/sda7/home ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sda3/boot ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sda9/opt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sdb1/usr/src ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sdb2/home/vmware ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/sda6swap swap pri=1 0 0 Bruce, I've just noticed that you have /boot listed in your fstab shown above, but this is not necessary as it is called from Grub. IMHO it is better that /boot remains unmounted whilst the system is running making it more secure. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: userspace error
Ken Moffat wrote:- If /boot is a separate filesystem, you can use the version of grub installed by your host system. I would always recommend a separate /boot partition whatever the build. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: userspace error
Ken Moffat wrote:- If /boot is a separate filesystem, you can use the version of grub installed by your host system. I would always recommend a separate /boot partition whatever the build. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: glibc-2.5.1 installation fails
William Immendorf wrote: BUT, if stabilaty on recent systems is your goal, you should use 6.4. William, it's no good just repeating the same thing like a mantra -- show us the proof. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: I managed to wipe out my host /dev/ directory
First time post here but I've installed 4 different versions of LFS without too much mishap. I think my build method would avoid this problem so I would like to share it with the Support List. Simple really. Just embed the chroot command in a short shell script that includes mount commands to bind the host /dev to $LFS/dev and host / tools to $LFS/tools before the chroot and umount them when chroot returns. I also put /etc/fstab in place before I start building packages. Then you can use commands like mount -a and mount /proc in $LFS/ root/.bash_profile and the corresponding umount commands in $LFS/ root/.bash_logout to automatically put your LFS environment into a complete state whenever you enter the LFS partition and clear up after you when come out again. Regard Richard Russell On 23/03/09 01:17:45, Dan Tran wrote: Hello, I am a first time user of LFS, and was away from linux related wor for quite some time. I am now at chroot phase where I managed to wipe out my $LFS/dev directory which was still bound to the actual /dev My system is still functional, i just can not login ::( my original host is 32 bit redhat 5.0. It would be very appreciate if someone can tell me how to recover my /dev directory. Lesson to learn not to use real system to develop LFS which has already been warn!!! Also, the LFS doc could also give a big warning as well ( ie 6.2.2. Mounting and Populating /dev ) I am using latest development LFS (7.0? ) Big thanks ahead -Dan -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Swapon not working
Hello, this really does sound like it isn't enabled in your kernel. The option is CONFIG_SWAP, or under the name Support for paging of anonymous memory (swap). zgrep CONFIG_SWAP /proc/config.gz ( or substitute grep and your .config if you didn't create /proc/config.gz ) Yeah, sorry for the noise. Not sure what I was doing with grep -- my only excuse is that it was Friday evening and I was tired. Kernel is now re-configured and re-built and all is OK. Thanks Lauri and Ken. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: kernel configuration and installation
That implies you are using LFS-6.2. I'm afraid I think glibc-2.3.6 is now regarded as very old. I don't know what to recommend - LFS-6.3 is about to become old, hopefully within the next 3 weeks, but as I said in a different thread I expect there to be a *lot* of breakage with the package versions currently in BLFS. Meanwhile, I see that you've just reached the final stage of your build :-( Hi Ken You were close -- it's actually LFS-6.1.1 with errata, and glibc-2.3.4 and gcc-3.4.3. The thing is I wanted to try an experiment; I wanted to see if an oldish version of LFS could be used to build an up-to-date fully-functioning OS with GUI, and I think that I've succeeded. I've had very few problems with LFS-6.1.1 -- there was an issue with glibc-2.3.4 and Xorg but DJ had come up with a workaround. I think that the only other modification that I made was to upgrade gettext to a newer version. Kernel headers have only been a problem with VLC and by disabling DCCP support it built OK. The finished product is a stripped down gnome environment with openbox and the AWN launcher. It has recent versions of scribus, ganttproject, gnucash, gimp, inkscape, dia, speedcrunch (calculator), cornice (image viewer), and the latest VLC, thunderbird 2, and firefox-3.0.3. I'm just finishing open office version 3 to (more or less) complete the build, which seems quite stable so far. The major problem is now the hardware. I wanted to use a low power, fanless, CPU and chose a VIA mini-ITX board with a 600MHz processor. It was quite fast when I was in text mode, but now that I have all the graphics assembled it has slowed to a crawl. I'm going to have to rethink it. Anyway, my point is that (exploits aside) older versions of LFS can be put to good use. I have read, although I am not qualified to comment, that gcc-3.x.x produces better, and more concise, code than gcc-4.x.x. When somebody with only a rudimentary knowledge of Linux begins their first LFS build it can be quite daunting and, more importantly here, take a long time. To be told that their build is now out-of date after spending hours and hours crafting it is, I believe, a little dispiriting. I realise that we have to move on but I do feel that a better balance can be struck. I didn't mean for this to sound too critical. I believe that the LFS/BLFS project is an incredible learning environment. It has certainly taught me a great deal about Linux and I hope that it has a long life ahead of it. I'd like to thank everybody involved in it. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: kernel configuration and installation
I've never looked at VLC. Looking at /usr/include/linux seems a reasonable thing for a configure script to be doing. Which kernel headers did you use when building glibc, and what is now reported to be missing-and-required ? Ken I believe that my original kernel headers were 2.6.12. The headers that VLC was looking for were the DCCP related ones ones that are available with the 2.6.26.5 kernel that I had just installed. According to the kernel devs, or at least last time I _heard_ (hearsay) anything about the subject, the answer was that the VLC maintainers failed to include the necessary kernel headers in the distribution tarball and provide a runtime check of the kernel for the necessary feature(s). I'm not certain if this is still current practice, and would appreciate a confirmation on that. DJ I'm not sure if it is still current practice but it appears to be -- I was building the very latest version. Thanks to both of you for the help, but I'm still unclear as to whether there is a workaround when the necessary headers aren't included with the package. Thanks Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Swapon not working
Hi I've managed without a swap partition until now, but I'm trying to build open office and the build is failing at the last minute due to lack of memory. So now I've made a swap partition of 2 gig and run mkswap. I've also amended the fstab. All seems fine until I run swapon -a which returns Function not implemented. I've tried making a swap file rather than a partition but I get the same output. If I reboot to run the script at boot-time I can see the same output. I've tried various sizes of swap -- no difference. Could it be a udev problem? I upgraded to udev-124 some time ago but everything else works fine. Running free -m shows swap but with all zeros, of course. Maybe swapon is corrupted -- I just don't know. I have no /proc/swaps file. When is this generated? I was wondering whether swap has to be enabled in the kernel but I can find no reference to it in the kernel .config. I'd be really grateful for some help as I'm right at the final stage of my BLFS build. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: kernel configuration and installation
Yes, I think you've missed the important thing ;) The kernel headers are what glibc was compiled against, and they should not be changed unless you upgrade glibc [ and before anyone misconstrues that, we *don't* support upgrading glibc - when the time comes, build a new system ]. Hi Ken My reading of Rob's post was that he was wondering why distros like Ubuntu could frequently update kernel headers when we are told not to. If this was not his question then I wouldn't mind some advise on this issue. The problem occurs when some packages insist on parsing /usr/include/linux. I had a problem recently when installing VLC. I had enabled DCCP in my new kernel and I wanted to build VLC with the required support. I had already tested DCCP and it was working OK, but the VLC build failed complaining about missing headers. When I checked the source code it was looking in /usr/include/linux, which surely must be bad practice. I can't see why arbitrary packages should be poking around in the kernel headers. Clearly, as my glibc was built against much older kernel headers its search was unsuccessful. I was wondering what the solution is here? Should we install the new kernel headers into a separate sub-directory and change the source code to point to the new sub-directory rather than to /usr/include/linux, or would this just not work? I'd appreciate your, or anybody else's, view on the subject. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Failure to boot
When booting my lfs installation, I get the following errors: swapon: cannot stat dev/sda3: no such file or directory fsck.ext3: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/sda4 I suspect this is due to my grub configuration. Rather than installing grub, I added these lines to menu.lst on my host system: title LFS 6.3 root (hd0,3) kernel /boot/lfskernel-2.6.22.5 root=/dev/hda4 I'm assuming that the grub menu.lst that you edited on your host system is on sda2 (Ubuntu). If these are the files that you are using to boot LFS then your LFS entry on the second line should read root (hd0,1), *not* root (hda0,3). As far as I know grub only recognises the hd disk nomenclature, so even if the kernel sees your disks as sd grub will still see them as hd, so the above is correct. Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Via epia ex15000g framebuffer @1024x768
howto put my framebuffer to right resolution.. i am using video=uvesafb:1024x768-32 but screen is too big to fit my display, seems that 1024x768 mode does not work?? can anyone help me? i have via epia ex15000g motherboard, kernel 2.6.25, lfs 6.3 I thought that uvesafb was still experimental. Maybe you are better off using vesafb, or try installing one of the via unichrome frame buffer drivers available from via or directfb. Vesafb, as it has already been pointed out, takes the decimal form when fed to the kernel at boot time, eg vga=792 equates to 1024x768-24; note *vga=* in this instance, not *video=*. I don't think that vesafb operates at a 32 bit colour depth. Richard Melville -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: grub hangs without error message on mac mini
I've just installed LFS SVN-20080423 on a new Mac Mini (Intel) but the computer doesn't start (no OSX, only one partition for Linux). All I see is: GRUB Loading stage1.5. GRUB loading, please wait... There is no error message, nothing. I'm a little bit puzzled, as this is not the first LFS system I install, but the first time I don't know what to do. I use grub-0.97 with the disk_geometry and the 256byte_inode patches from the development page. The partition to boot from is /dev/sda1 and in my grub menu is default 0 timeout 10 title LFS root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/lfskernel root=/dev/sda1 The file does exist and I installed grub in the grub shell with root (hd0,0) and setup (hd0). Just to make sure, I installed ubuntu (7.04) on the very same computer (they use grub too) and the system starts, without problem. So the Mac Mini does start some Linux with grub, it's just my installation. I have a MacBook running with LFS and grub, I think this is some similar hardware and there isn't a problem either. So, why is grub hanging there (I rebooted after 10 minutes)? What might I do to solve the problem? What is grub waiting for? Thanks for any help, Andreas Just a thought - have you copied over to the /boot/grub/ directory the correct 1.5 file in relation to the file system that you are using. They are all file system specific. Richard Melville -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: GRUB Problem
This is really maddening because I'm so close to finishing, I'm on section 8.4 of lfs 6.3, Making the LFS System Bootable and when I use grub it gives me Error 21: Selected disk does not exist. The host distribution is Ubuntu 7.10 and since I'm new to this I haven't deviated from the book. Thanks. Ben Without seeing your menu.lst file and what partition(s) you are using it's hard to comment. I assume that you are aware of the difference between the GRUB partition naming convention and that of Linux, e.g. (hd0,0) ==hda1. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by when I use GRUB; do you mean when you boot LFS? Richard Melville -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Grub Hangs
l 1. When Grub hangs, the screen freezes. None of the keys, including PgUp, let me scroll up. 2. No, I don't have a .config file for the machine. (I didn't know what you meant by .config, zcat, /proc/congif.gz and make oldconfig. After doing my homework, I have now learned how to configure the kernel using an old configuration file. I also noticed along the way that my kernel was set for an Athlon processor. I recompiled for Pentium MMX, but the problem persists, so tweaking does indeed seem tangential to it.) 3. The kernel version is 2.6.16.27. Would it be worthwhile trying Adrian Bunk's version 2.6.16.60? Is there anything I have to do to avoid a conflict with what I have done so far with 2.6.16.27, or can I simply unpack his version and follow the compilation steps as if starting from scratch? Edward Why not just use the latest stable kernel? I'm using 2.6.24 with LFS 6.2 and it works well. Richard Melville -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: xfdesktop from CBLFS
XFCE is no longer supported in BLFS (and you didn't even specify its version!). There is some activity on the XFCE mailing list, but it is mostly about the upcoming 4.6 release. Any idea why XFCE is no longer supported in BLFS? Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/blfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
mounts
Hi, I'm building using liveCD6.3 and I'm currently on section '6.14 Sed-4.1.5' .I've been loggin in using openssh and building remotely(without rebooting). Each time I log in I need to run export LFS=/mnt/lfs, mkdir -pv $LFS and then enter the chroot environment again. I've just run the mount command and got the following results: /dev/mapper/lfs-cd on / type ext2 (rw) proc on /proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /sys type sysfs (rw) devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=4,mode=620) /dev/hda1 on /mnt/lfs type ext3 (rw) proc on /mnt/lfs/proc type proc (rw) sysfs on /mnt/lfs/sys type sysfs (rw) shm on /mnt/lfs/dev/shm type tmpfs (rw) In section 6.2.2 and 6.2.3 the following commands were run: mount -v --bind /dev $LFS/dev mount -vt devpts devpts $LFS/dev/pts mount -vt tmpfs shm $LFS/dev/shm mount -vt proc proc $LFS/proc mount -vt sysfs sysfs $LFS/sys Do my mounts look OK? It appears to me that devpts should be mounted on /mnt/lfs/dev/pts but instead its mounted on /dev/pts. Do the other mounts look OK? /dev doesn't look quite right to me either but I'm not sure? Thanks Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Adjusting the toolchain: specs file
Hi, I'm using lfs6.3 livecd an in section 5.7 Adjusting the toolchain, the 'gcc -dumpspecs .' command doesn't appear to run properly. I've tried finding the specs file to verify that its been edited correctly but I can't find it. From other posts I think the specs file should be found at /usr/lib/gcc/i486-pc-linux-gnu/4.1.2/ but theres no file called specs at that location? I've also tried find on both the host an $LFS but not found it? Everything seemed to work ok up to this point but there seems to be something wrong? Can anyone shed any light on this? Thanks Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: unrecognised option `-mtune=pentiumpro`
Hi, in 5.7 Adjusting the Toolchain when I run: gcc -dumpspecs | sed '[EMAIL PROTECTED]/lib/ld-linux.so.2@/tools@g' \ `dirname $(gcc -print-libgcc-file-name)`/specs I got the message gcc:unrecognised option `-mtune=pentiumpro` I copied and paste the command from the manual so I know I entered it correctly. Cant find anything relevant in the archives. This was the only output to screen and as I read somewhere sed should output every line processed to the console, so I would have expected some other output if the command did anything. Does it look like the command failed? When I ran it again it didn't even give the error message? Where is the specs file that I'm meant to check for the changes? Thanks Richard (sorry for resending but added a more meaningful title!) -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page What distro are you building from? I recommend using the LFS liveCD. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page I'm building from LiveCD 6.3 -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
6.12 Readjusting the toolchain
Hi, having the following problem that I dont undertsand? System: using LFS LiveCD 6.0 Dell optiplex P3 with 64mb RAM When I try to run sed -i 's@ /tools/lib/ld-linux.so.2@ /lib/[EMAIL PROTECTED]' \ $(gcc --print-file specs) I get the error sed: can't read /tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.1/specs: No such file or directory I ignored the previous command make -C ld INSTALL=/tools/bin/install install as instructed by the book as I had accidentally deleted binutils source and build directories, also, I used the command above instead of the one in the book: sed -i 's@ /tools/lib/ld-linux.so.2@ /lib/[EMAIL PROTECTED]' \ `gcc --print-file specs` because I can't find the accent-grave on my keyboard Can anyone advise me please? RC -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: 6.12 Readjusting the toolchain
- Original Message From: Alan Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:58:02 AM Subject: Re: 6.12 Readjusting the toolchain Richard Caldwell wrote: Hi, having the following problem that I dont undertsand? System: using LFS LiveCD 6.0 Dell optiplex P3 with 64mb RAM When I try to run sed -i 's@ /tools/lib/ld-linux.so.2@ /lib/[EMAIL PROTECTED]' \ $(gcc --print-file specs) I get the error sed: can't read /tools/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.1/specs: No such file or directory I ignored the previous command make -C ld INSTALL=/tools/bin/install install as instructed by the book as I had accidentally deleted binutils source and build directories, also, I used the command above instead of the one in the book: sed -i 's@ /tools/lib/ld-linux.so.2@ /lib/[EMAIL PROTECTED]' \ `gcc --print-file specs` because I can't find the accent-grave on my keyboard Can anyone advise me please? RC Hi, First off, you don't say what version of LFS are you are trying to build. Second - your host linux seems a bit old - Why don't you use the latest LFS live CD rather than 6.0? Thirdly, you can cut paste between ttys using GPM (the mouse driver which is installed and running on the live CD). Just do ALT-F1, ALT-F2 etc to switch between multiple login screens; you can have a lynx or (links) page open with the book in one, and then cut and paste to your other screen the commands you need. The backtick on my keyboard (A UK kbd) is the leftmost key on the top row. It shares itself ` with ¬ (shifted) and ¦ (ALT Gr) I hope these suggestions help a bit and if I am teaching you to suck eggs please ignore ;-) Cheers Al Hi Al, I'm a complete novice so any help is useful.I didn't know I could run more than one tty useing ALT + F. I ve got the book open on the 2nd tty. How do I cut paste. I've tried starting GPM by typing 'GPM' and got the message 08o.oops(): [gpm.c(933)]: Please use -m /dev/mouse -t protocol What do I hgave to do to cut paste? Alternatively, how do I set my keyboard up correctly? My top left key gives me ' instead of ` and shifts to ~, and ALT GR doesn't give me anything? Thanks Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: 6.12 Readjusting the toolchain
- Original Message From: Alan Lord [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 11:55:12 AM Subject: Re: 6.12 Readjusting the toolchain Hi Al, I'm a complete novice so any help is useful.I didn't know I could run more than one tty useing ALT + F. I ve got the book open on the 2nd tty. How do I cut paste. I've tried starting GPM by typing 'GPM' and got the message 08o.oops(): [gpm.c(933)]: Please use -m /dev/mouse -t protocol What do I hgave to do to cut paste? Alternatively, how do I set my keyboard up correctly? My top left key gives me ' instead of ` and shifts to ~, and ALT GR doesn't give me anything? Thanks Richard No problem. on the more recent live CDs GPM runs automatically. You select the text you want as usual (holding down the right mouse button or shifting and use the arrow keys). To paste into your other tty you normally click the middle button in linux (If you don't have a middle button then click both at once!) If you just move the mouse about - do you have a white block cursor that moves around too? When you booted into the live CD didn't it ask you for your keyboard layout? The newer ones do... Are you using a UK keyboard (I guess by the time you must be in europe somewhere, or perhaps Australasia?) Hi, cd didn't ask for keyboard layout. I don't have any cursor. the mouse driver doesn't appear to be loaded. Mouse does nothing(I'm in Ireland). How do I get that working? -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Glibc-2.3.4-20040701 make check error
Hi,
I'm having th following problem when running make check after running make
on glibc-2.3.4-20040701
using LFS LiveCD 6.0 on a Dell optiplex P3 with 64mb RAM
---
scripts/check-c++-types.sh: line 44: 28733 broken pipecat
EOF
#include sys/types.h
#include sys/stat.h
#include sys/resource.h
#include unistd.h
void foo ($t) { }
EOF
g++: /dev/fd/63: No such file or directory
g++: warning: '-x c++' after last input file has no effect
g++: no input files
make[1]: *** [/glibc-build/c++-types-check.out] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/glibc-2.3.4-20040701'
make: *** [check] Error 2
---
I have previously run 'make' followed by 'make check', and had errors, but
every time I ran make check I got different errors, so I deleted the
glibc-build directory and started again. Can anyone shed any light on this?
Thanks
RC
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Re: Glibc-2.3.4-20040701 make check error
Hi,
just ran 'make check' again and it appears to have run correctly!!!
problem solved hopefully!!
Weird
RC
- Original Message
From: Richard Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org
Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2007 7:45:26 AM
Subject: Glibc-2.3.4-20040701 make check error
Hi,
I'm having th following problem when running make check after running make
on glibc-2.3.4-20040701
using LFS LiveCD 6.0 on a Dell optiplex P3 with 64mb RAM
---
scripts/check-c++-types.sh: line 44: 28733 broken pipecat
EOF
#include sys/types.h
#include sys/stat.h
#include sys/resource.h
#include unistd.h
void foo ($t) { }
EOF
g++: /dev/fd/63: No such file or directory
g++: warning: '-x c++' after last input file has no effect
g++: no input files
make[1]: *** [/glibc-build/c++-types-check.out] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory '/glibc-2.3.4-20040701'
make: *** [check] Error 2
---
I have previously run 'make' followed by 'make check', and had errors, but
every time I ran make check I got different errors, so I deleted the
glibc-build directory and started again. Can anyone shed any light on this?
Thanks
RC
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Bash-3.0 symlink
Hi, book version 6.0 chapter 5.29. After installing bash3.0 the following command is issued: ln -s bash /tools/bin/sh but immediately after this the bash-3.0 directory is removed! What's the point in this symlink.? As I understand, it creates a link called '/tools/bin/sh' that points to bash in the current directory which is subsequently removed. After the bash directory is removed, what does the link point to? RC -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Can't change ownership back to root
Thanks, that was the ticket -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:29 AM To: LFS Support List Subject: Re: Can't change ownership back to root I have got to chapter 5.32 on the LFS and trying to change ownership back to root but when I exec command chown -R root:root $LFS/tools I just get operation not permitted on all of the files and dir. I think this my have to do with a reboot that had to be done during the build process but every thing that I did after the reboot worked fine. I am using the LiveCD for the host and the drive that is mounted has nothing but the LFS partition. Can any one help? Thanks Rick Do it as root, not as the lfs user. Hi, I'm using the LiveCd myself. there's no need to set up the user LFS with the live CD as you can't mess up the host OS as it's not writeable(as I understand it!). Check the following hint: http://archives.linuxfromscratch.org/mail-archives/livecd/2005-August/001264.html RC -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
GCC-3.4.1 - Pass 2 expect problem
Hi, using LiveCD, version 6.0 of book I've encountered the following problem in section 5.13 of book, checking if the host system PTYs are set up correctly. I ran command: expect -c spawn ls the system responds with: spawn ls I've tried running this from several directories as it was indicated in the archives that this was the source of a similar problem(if it is a problem!) The book tells what an 'error' response might be but it doesn't clarify what the correct response is? Is this response OK? guessing not? Thanks RC -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Problems installing Expect-5.42.1
Hi, I'm having the following problem: Book version 6.0, using LiveCD, using the setenv.sh file from the Building LFS from Live CD Hint. When I tried to install Expect-5.42.1 I had an error when I ran the line ./configure --prefix=/tools --with-tcl=/tools/lib --with-x=no I don't remember the specifics but from searching the archives found a similar error which suggested adding --with-tcl=$LFS/sources.tcl8.4.7/unix as ./configure was missing a file. This appeared to work but I'm now having an error when I run make SCRIPTS= INSTALL The error is: /mnt/lfs/tools/bin ../lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.1/ ../ ../ ../ ../ i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find ltcl8.4 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [expect_installed] Error 1 Any help welcome please? Is this maybe related to my earlier error or does anyone know if the setenv.sh file from the hint is suitable for LFS version 6.0 as it says that it's for version 6.2 but I'm not sure what the differences are or if that's the problem? -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Problems installing Expect-5.42.1
5.42.1 Richard Caldwell schrieb: --with-tcl=$LFS/sources.tcl8.4.7/unix Are you sure, that it is sources.tcl8.4.7 not sources/tcl8.4.7? -- M.f.G. george aka Joerg Hahn Typo I think! Restarted so I haven't got my history to check(using LiveCD) but I've started again with installation of tcl. hopefully I'll get it sorted! Thanks. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Problems installing Expect-5.42.1
When I tried to install Expect-5.42.1 I had an error when I ran the line ./configure --prefix=/tools --with-tcl=/tools/lib --with-x=no I don't remember the specifics but from searching the archives found a similar error which suggested adding --with-tcl=$LFS/sources.tcl8.4.7/unix as ./configure was missing a file. This appeared to work but I'm now having an error when I run make SCRIPTS= INSTALL The error is: /mnt/lfs/tools/bin ../lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.1/ ../ ../ ../ ../ i686-pc-linux-gnu/bin/ld: cannot find ltcl8.4 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [expect_installed] Error 1 Expect is heavily dependent on the Tcl package in the previous section. (In fact Expect is written in the Tcl language.) Gcc/ld can't find the Tcl library, and it sounds like something went wrong with your Tcl install. Check the contents of /tools/lib. You should find a file libtcl8.4.so there and also a subdir tcl8.4 containing a whole bunch of *.tcl files. There should also be about 10 tcl*.h files in /tools/include If you don't find all those files, then go back, be sure to remove your source/build directories for Tcl and Expect, and restart from the beginning of section 5.10. Tcl-8.4.7. If all those installed tcl files look okay, we'll have to dig deeper. In that case it could be something to do with your setenv.sh file but I can't say until I've read that hint. Thanks Brandon. That worked, and for some weird reason I didn't have to ad the --with-tcl... line to ./configure as I had previously done. I must have done something incorrectly the first time. -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: Problems installing Expect-5.42.1
Just realised, there was a line in my setenv.sh which read: echo export LC_ALL PATH ~/.bashrc which I copied directly from the hint. However in section 4.4 Setting Up The Environment my book says export LFS LC_ALL PATH I modified setenv.sh to reflect this and used echo export LFS LC_ALL PATH ~/.bashrc Not sure what this is doing but could it have been the source of my problems? -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: keyboard problem
On Thu, Oct 05, 2006 at 04:07:40PM -0700, Richard Caldwell wrote: Hi, I'm having the following problem with my keyboard and I can find a solution in the archives. Installing LFS from LIveCD 6.0 In chapter 5 adjusting the toolchain I can't find the ` character on my keyboard.(I'm on a different machine typing this). There's a few other mixed up characters such as @ appears over 2 but that's not a problem. problem is that the character immediately before dirname on the first line of the command below can't be found. I think it's called an acute accent and it's not over the key above my tab key as I'd expect it. It's a _grave_ accent, more commonly referred to as a back-tick in this context. My first thought was that you have somehow got a US keyboard layout to match your mail's timezone, but ` is one of the characters in the same position as in the UK (@ and swap, # replaces the pound sterling, \ and | are on our # ~ key). I'm not familiar with the Live CD, but did you get the opportunity to select a locale or keyboard ? If you didn't, which character appears when you use the key above 'tab' ? In American layouts that key produces ` and shifts to ~, I think. Hi Ken, I got around it wiht the fix suggested by Dan N. using $(xxx) instead. It's weird, the character above tab is ' and shifts to ~ . I didn't get any opportunity to select keyboard or locale on boot. On my keyboard when I depress 2 I get @ and when I depress [SHIFT] + @ I get , also # replaces £ as you suggest. How do you check your keyboard/locale configuration and change it? Next time I reboot I'll try a differenet keyboard as a matter of interest. Thanks RC -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
keyboard problem
Hi, I'm having the following problem with my keyboard and I can find a solution in the archives. Installing LFS from LIveCD 6.0 In chapter 5 adjusting the toolchain I can't find the ` character on my keyboard.(I'm on a different machine typing this). There's a few other mixed up characters such as @ appears over 2 but that's not a problem. problem is that the character immediately before dirname on the first line of the command below can't be found. I think it's called an acute accent and it's not over the key above my tab key as I'd expect it. SPECFILE=`dirname $(gcc -print-libgcc-file-name)`/specs gcc -dumpspecs $SPECFILE sed '[EMAIL PROTECTED]/lib/ld-linux.so.2@/tools@g' $SPECFILE tempspecfile mv -vf tempspecfile $SPECFILE unset SPECFILE I'd appreciate if anyone can explain how to resolve this. I think it must just be a keyboard configuration issue but I can't find the solution? Thanks RC -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: keyboard problem
In chapter 5 adjusting the toolchain I can't find the ` character on my keyboard.(I'm on a different machine typing this). There's a few other mixed up characters such as @ appears over 2 but that's not a problem. problem is that the character immediately before dirname on the first line of the command below can't be found. I think it's called an acute accent and it's not over the key above my tab key as I'd expect it. That's really strange. I'd like to see this keyboard. Anyway, the fix is simple. In bash, $(cmd) and `cmd` both do command substitution. See `man bash' for more details. Just substitute the $( and ) for ` and `. Thanks. I'll try that. RC -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
Re: GCC-3.4.1-Pass1 problem
Original Message From: Brandon Peirce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lfs-support@linuxfromscratch.org Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2006 3:57:38 PM Subject: Re: GCC-3.4.1-Pass1 problem Richard Caldwell wrote: Chris Staub wrote: That host system is too new to build that old version of LFS. You need to either find an older distro to use as a host, or build the latest stable LFS version. I see that the latest book version online is 6.2, so I wouldn't have thought that 6.0 was 'very' old. It took me so long to download all of the files that I don't want to have to go through that again! Can you recommend a suitable host? I see suse 9.2 professional available on amazon for £6.96. Would that be a suitable distro? Richard, it sounds like you have a problem of a slow Internet connection :-( Probably your best bet would be to try to get hold of the LFS 6.2 live CD. Not only is it a bootable host distro suitable for building LFS, but also contains all the source packages and patches need to build 6.2--nothing further to download. The only problem is the Live CD itself is only available via download AFAIK (~500MB). Can't you get a mate, colleague, cousin,... with a faster Internet to download and burn it on a CD for you? Brandon. Got sorted thanks you. Had the live CD with the book and I'm now using it(I didn't realise what it was!). I'm further ahead than I previously was already in a fraction of the time. Not a single problem.(Kind of regret not doing it the other way as I felt I was learning a lot trying to troubleshoot problems!) Thanks Richard -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-support FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/faq.html Unsubscribe: See the above information page
