x z:
2013/6/8 Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net
Oh man, Glenn Greenwald is my hero and a hero to us all.
Do you still believe Glenn's reporting that NSA has direct access to
servers of firms including Google, Apple and Facebook?
Yeah, I think it is clearly a FISA interface or API of
Jake,
I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but I'm really tired of
just how aggressive and rude you always are on Libtech. And it doesn't appear
to just be towards me. I'm not the only person who feels like this.
Even if you're right, tone your ego knob down already. Be nice. I
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 09:45:31AM -0400, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but I'm really tired of
just how aggressive and rude you always are on Libtech.
First: you've got to be kidding. I've never seen a single message on
this list that goes past
On 2013-06-09, at 10:08 AM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote:
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 09:45:31AM -0400, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but I'm really tired of
just how aggressive and rude you always are on Libtech.
First: you've got to be
complete agreement with Rich on my part.
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote:
On Sun, Jun 09, 2013 at 09:45:31AM -0400, Nadim Kobeissi wrote:
I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but I'm really tired
of just how aggressive and rude you always are
+1 to the tone comments, but my verdict is still out on greenwald, though
until I see the lawyers and privacy people talking a big game (not just
executives) I would tend to believe there is more than a grain of accuracy.
On Jun 9, 2013 6:45 AM, Nadim Kobeissi na...@nadim.cc wrote:
Jake,
I
This is very silly. The list would be much better served if people
would restrain from metaflaming on stuff that's not really a
flame - especially in this case, it sounds to me that's just another
instance of friendly fire
Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato,
Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes
+1000 on Nadim's comment who is not always that civil either. If you notice who
speaks on this list- it's geeky men. And not just speak but flame at times and
engage in silly meta discussions best filtered out.
The discourse on this list, in general, does not encourage truly thoughtful
On 2013-06-09, at 11:49 AM, Katrin Verclas kat...@mobileactive.org wrote:
+1000 on Nadim's comment who is not always that civil either.
It's absolutely right that I also sometimes can get riled up or passionate.But
they key word there is sometimes. Some on this list are just almost *always*
From our list guidelines:
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Nadim Kobeissi:
Jake, I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but I'm
really tired of just how aggressive and rude you always are on
Libtech. And it doesn't appear to just be towards me. I'm not the
only person who feels like this.
Even if you're right, tone your ego knob down
On 2013-06-09, at 1:02 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote:
Nadim Kobeissi:
Jake, I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but I'm
really tired of just how aggressive and rude you always are on
Libtech. And it doesn't appear to just be towards me. I'm not the
only
A new slide has just been leaked from the PRISM powerpoint. It's very
interesting, check it out:
http://www.theverge.com/2013/6/8/4410358/leaked-slide-from-prism-presentation-supports-directly-collecting-data
NK
On 2013-06-07, at 4:01 PM, Kyle Maxwell ky...@xwell.org wrote:
FWIW, Google has
Nadim Kobeissi:
On 2013-06-09, at 1:02 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net
wrote:
Nadim Kobeissi:
Jake, I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but
I'm really tired of just how aggressive and rude you always are
on Libtech. And it doesn't appear to just be towards me. I'm
It seems Europe isn't safe either from data mining, due to overreach:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/igeneration/google-admits-patriot-act-requests-handed-over-european-data-to-u-s-authorities/12191
NK
On 2013-06-09, at 1:22 PM, Jacob Appelbaum ja...@appelbaum.net wrote:
Nadim Kobeissi:
On
Native IPv6 deployment is on an exponential
track http://www.google.com/ipv6/statistics.html
Unlike IPv4, IPv6 has had encryption as part
of the specs, but no opportunistic ways to
set up an encrypted session.
There have been efforts like
http://www.inrialpes.fr/planete/people/chneuman/OE.html
Re: Message: 41
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:49:57 -0400
From: Katrin Verclas kat...@mobileactive.org
To: liberationtech liberationtech@lists.stanford.edu
Cc: liberationtech liberationt...@mailman.stanford.edu
Subject: Re: [liberationtech] Boundless Informant: the NSA's secret
tool to track
From: John Gilmore g...@toad.com
Subject: Re: [IP] Re corporate governance and surveillance
Date: June 9, 2013 4:31:05 AM EDT
To: d...@farber.net
Dave asks some great questions about why the people who had power over
these networks didn't blow the whistle instead of some anonymous
insider having
Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance
The individual responsible for one of the most significant leaks in US
political history is Edward Snowden, a 29-year-old former
His allegiance to internet freedom is reflected in the stickers on his laptop:
I support Online Rights: Electronic
Frontier Foundation, reads one. Another hails the online organisation offering
anonymity, the Tor Project.
Heh.
--
James S. Tyre
Law Offices of James S. Tyre
10736 Jefferson
Wow.
NK
On 2013-06-09, at 5:14 PM, Kate Krauss ka...@critpath.org wrote:
I had been looking for leaders, but I realised that leadership is about
being the first to act. - Edward Snowden
This is the moment to show this person big public support. And keep showing
it.
Katie Krauss
AIDS
I have to say going to Hong Kong for free speech and safety seems like
a very odd choice to me. What was he thinking?
--
Matt
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Yosem Companys compa...@stanford.edu wrote:
Edward Snowden: the whistleblower behind revelations of NSA surveillance
YES
At 05:14 PM 6/9/2013, you wrote:
I had been looking for leaders, but I realised that leadership is
about being the first to act. - Edward Snowden
This is the moment to show this person big public support. And keep
showing it.
Katie Krauss
AIDS Policy Project
On 06/09/2013 04:43 PM, Matt Johnson wrote:
I have to say going to Hong Kong for free speech and safety seems like
a very odd choice to me. What was he thinking?
Actually, and I think this is pointed out in either the video or an
article somewhere, Hong Kong doesn't generally suffer the speech
Easy answer, plenty of flights to hong kong from Hawaii I would bet, and no
layovers in problematic countries.
B
On Jun 9, 2013 5:04 PM, Anthony Papillion anth...@cajuntechie.org wrote:
On 06/09/2013 04:43 PM, Matt Johnson wrote:
I have to say going to Hong Kong for free speech and safety
As Josh Marshal pointed out
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/06/whats_the_deal_with_hong_kong.php,
Iceland almost certainly can't afford to stand up to the US Government
on something like this.
On 6/9/2013 15:04, Anthony Papillion wrote:
On 06/09/2013 04:43 PM, Matt Johnson wrote:
I
I agree with what you say about Hong Kong
He does say he would like to end up in Iceland
Wonder why he did not go there in the first place
Such an immensely brave and honest person
Sheila
At 06:04 PM 6/9/2013, you wrote:
On 06/09/2013 04:43 PM, Matt Johnson wrote:
I have to say going to
There is a strong resistance against Chinese strong-arming in Hong Kong,
plus I am not sure that it is actually in the interest of the Chinese
government to help the US do anything about this. I think you can make a
case for why it's a better choice, though it is definitely debatable.
On 9 June
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 6:47 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
but the ability to assemble intelligence out of taps on providers' internal
connections
would require reverse engineering the ever changing protocols of all of those
providers.
This is somewhat less difficult than some
Snowden says he wants asylum in Iceland. Why not go there directly?
Going to Hong Kong makes him vulnerable to accusations of working for the PRC.
None of that makes sense to me, but what do I know. I will watch, and learn.
--
Matt
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 3:52 PM, Raven Jiang CX
Check out this screenshot of the front page of the New York Times right now.
Unbelievable:
https://twitter.com/kaepora/status/343888967554457600
NK
On 2013-06-09, at 8:17 PM, Matt Johnson railm...@gmail.com wrote:
Snowden says he wants asylum in Iceland. Why not go there directly?
Going
Thx for sharing
What do you expect from the corporate lapdogs who are part of the problem
Sheila
At 08:35 PM 6/9/2013, you wrote:
Check out this screenshot of the front page of the New York Times
right now. Unbelievable:
https://twitter.com/kaepora/status/343888967554457600
NK
On
He did work in the intelligence community so maybe he has a better idea
than us. My guess is that asylum in Iceland is ideal if everything worked
out, but he doesn't think it is strong enough to resist U.S. pressure.
Hong Kong is stable and modern, so he is less likely to be killed or
kidnapped
On 2013-06-09, at 8:40 PM, Raven Jiang CX j...@stanford.edu wrote:
He did work in the intelligence community so maybe he has a better idea than
us. My guess is that asylum in Iceland is ideal if everything worked out, but
he doesn't think it is strong enough to resist U.S. pressure.
Hong
Raven, your analysis is interesting.
I wonder why the Chinese would do anything to help him? I cannot see
how the publicity would work to the PRC's advantage. I am sure they
would work with him if he wanted to sell them docs, but that does not
seem to be his game.
Of course you are right, he
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On 6/9/13 10:19 AM, fukami wrote:
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The 1227x1658 version available here:
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Yes, we scan will probably be used as one of the main slogans in
protests against Obama when he will
I am not sure if the blow by blow news coverage is of interest to this
list, but I thought people might want another piece of info about
Snowden.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/hawaii-real-estate-agent-snowden-left-may-1
On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Matt Johnson railm...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think that the Chinese will work with him. I think it's more like I
see fewer reasons for the Chinese government to cooperate with the U.S.
government than most European/Western nations that he could have run off
to. The PRC is not going to let CIA/NSA agents just nab him from right
under
I have a less sinister explanation: The New York Times was taken by
surprising by The Guardian article and did not have enough time and
original material to justify a stronger headline.
On 9 June 2013 17:39, Sheila Parks sheilaruthpa...@comcast.net wrote:
Thx for sharing
What do you expect
Many people in spheres of cryptography and digital rights activism
have long assumed (or—frankly—known about) pervasive government
surveillance of the Internet and other communications networks. So it's
unsurprising that there is something of an undertone in PRISM discussions
of meh, it's terrible
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