Re: What shall be recommended to Cambridge Public Library for replacing CPL use of Zoom?

2023-05-09 Thread Aaron Wolf
I think Matrix doesn't do group video chat itself, it just embeds Jitsi into a room as a widget On May 8, 2023 12:42:19 PM PDT, Abe Indoria wrote: I'm surprised no one has recommended Matrix. On Mon, May 8, 2023 at 7:04 AM Don Saklad wrote: What shall be recommended to

Re: What shall be recommended to Cambridge Public Library for replacing CPL use of Zoom?

2023-05-08 Thread Aaron Wolf
Big Blue Button or Jitsi [1]https://bigbluebutton.org/ [2]https://meet.jit.si/ Both are ideally self-hosted, but Jitsi works directly at the main site flawlessly with no issues, no sign-up, it just works, they can test it easily. Jitsi is more similar to Zoom. On

Re: The Imperative of Free Software

2023-04-25 Thread Aaron Wolf
I appreciated the original message and find it relevant. Software freedom is fundamentally about power, it's not just a manner of software development. The concern about power is intimately tied to wealth in society today. Nobody gets to be billionaire, ultra-wealthy by actually producing a

Re: People calling the GPLs 'evil licenses' - action plan?

2022-05-17 Thread Aaron Wolf
FWIW, as a link anyone can use, I put together this some years ago, aiming to be fair and neutral enough while advocating copyleft: [1]https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/about/licenses That's probably the ideal link to share in this case IMHO On May 17, 2022 2:27:30 PM PDT, Dennis Payne

Re: thank you elon musk

2022-04-26 Thread Aaron Wolf
It's "mastodon" with two o's not two a's On 2022-04-26 10:37, Thomas Lord wrote: If the FSF is not now going very hard on promoting Mastadon, they should never be trusted to anything right again. :-) -t ___

Re: LibrePlanet 2022 videos now available

2022-03-30 Thread Aaron Wolf
Hey everyone, if you already checked the links yesterday, my talk on the economics of software freedom was *missing* because there was a major streaming failure — but I got a live redo chance to give the talk again for recording and then edit that with part of the original stream that worked.

Re: better terminology to promote freedom

2022-03-20 Thread Aaron Wolf
oprietary" for most cases. My inclination at this point is actually to prefer "restricted software". So, I think it's good to have two terms that can be presented as opposing. "FLO software" and "restricted software" works well IMO. Best, Aaron Wolf P.S. s

Re: better terminology to promote freedom

2022-03-20 Thread Aaron Wolf
oprietary" for most cases. My inclination at this point is actually to prefer "restricted software". So, I think it's good to have two terms that can be presented as opposing. "FLO software" and "restricted software" works well IMO. Best, Aaron Wolf On 202

Re: "Open Source" is vague term referring to guns, wine, spirituality, etc.

2022-03-14 Thread Aaron Wolf
022-03-14 14:17, Jean Louis wrote: * Aaron Wolf [2022-03-15 00:02]: FWIW, I heard from people at OSI that they *chose* to release the trademark on "Open Source" in general many years ago because they thought it would be better to encourage the use of the term. Whether that was a g

Re: "Open Source" is vague term referring to guns, wine, spirituality, etc.

2022-03-14 Thread Aaron Wolf
FWIW, I heard from people at OSI that they *chose* to release the trademark on "Open Source" in general many years ago because they thought it would be better to encourage the use of the term. Whether that was a good decision is open to debate. On 2022-03-13 22:50, Jean Louis wrote: *

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-13 Thread Aaron Wolf
ly questionable, shame on you. g On 13. 03. 22 16:07, Aaron Wolf wrote: I agree with most of that, but I don't accept the idea that centralized vs decentralized is simply a questions of personal inclination/assumptions. I think we can recognize shared concerns about ethics and consider tha

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-13 Thread Aaron Wolf
rather than primarily block unethical actions, the centralized powers often use their power unethically. I'd like to hear others' insights and perspectives on this question. On 2022-03-13 01:51, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Il 13/03/22 05:52, Aaron Wolf ha scritto: The inventors of nuclear

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-12 Thread Aaron Wolf
whether or not we see a place for limits to software freedom for dangerous technology. And that discussion doesn't rely on any agreement about which current actors are good or bad. On 2022-03-12 10:53, Jean Louis wrote: * Aaron Wolf [2022-03-12 20:48]: The recent podcast from Humane Tech folks

Re: Should distros take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-12 Thread Aaron Wolf
The recent podcast from Humane Tech folks grapples with the complexities of this issue: https://www.humanetech.com/podcast/49-the-dark-side-of-decentralization Now, that does not really relate to powerful government entities like the Russian military, but it does get into questions of danger

Re: Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-03-01 Thread Aaron Wolf
There has been a lot of overreacting to a minor post here. I will readily agree that I was simply wrong when *I* (personally, I represent no organization here) suggested that the FSF could make a statement about war. There's a degree to which the org can say some things, but indeed it is a

Re: Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-02-25 Thread Aaron Wolf
Oh ABSOLUTELY, 100% support your suggestion! There is NO conflict between software freedom and making political statements! It is perfectly sensible for anyone, including FSF or individual projects or developers, to make a strong public statement condemning acts of war and stating

Re: Should we take steps to reduce russian access to Free Software?

2022-02-24 Thread Aaron Wolf
You might also focus on how Russia uses concepts from political philosophy, technology like wheels and guns, and can we stop them from having access to that stuff? It does seem that restricting various actors from having technology to do harm is a sensible idea. But who gets to control that

Re: Libreoffice - license

2021-12-12 Thread Aaron Wolf
The Mzolla Public License is a fully free software license anyway, even though last I checked LibreOffice was LGPL, which is also fully free. It's approved by GNU: see https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html On 2021-12-12 10:41 a.m., Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss wrote: > Hi > > >

Re: Were Intellectual Property to be abolished altogether, would you or FSF support it?

2021-07-11 Thread Aaron Wolf
At Snowdrift.coop, we're still working to get launched on our proposals for how we can fund public goods without relying on exclusivity (i.e. "club goods" where you join the club by paying for access or watching ads etc). There's no reason in principle that we need these artificial exclusions

Re: Were Intellectual Property to be abolished altogether, would you or FSF support it?

2021-07-10 Thread Aaron Wolf
I support the abolition of copyright and patent law while keeping trademark law and moving some important things to new laws: - mandate source release for published works - prohibit DRM - expand trademark law to cover all forms of plaigiarism (some aspects of that rely on copyright today, which

Re: Avoiding paying Windows license in the US

2021-05-29 Thread Aaron Wolf
If you already have it, the license was already paid by HP. If your point is simply to not *accept* the license on loading up the computer, that's easy. You can get a GNU/Linux install live USB and boot off of that directly and erase Windows so it will never even run the first time. Someone else

Re: Support RMS

2021-04-17 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2021-04-17 8:49 p.m., Alexandre Oliva wrote: > On Apr 16, 2021, Aaron Wolf wrote: > >> Like here's one story: I was at LibrePlanet 2014 and RMS was speaking >> and mentioned offhand how a certain sort of older computer with no disk, >> they used to joke and calle

Re: Support RMS

2021-04-16 Thread Aaron Wolf
Thomas, I respect many of the things you have said, and I also think we should all be hesitant to string this on and on and on. However, I do not support your proposition that people just leave or that the threads are nothing but absurdity. For any movement to be strong, it has to be capable of

Re: Support RMS

2021-04-16 Thread Aaron Wolf
clarity in my post, thanks. A few in-line comments: On 2021-04-15 11:56 p.m., Jean Louis wrote: > * Aaron Wolf [2021-04-16 09:05]: >> I see boy-cried-wolf dynamics at play in all this. And there *are* >> witch-hunt dynamics. > > Aaron, from conversation with Deb, Danny and

Re: Support RMS

2021-04-16 Thread Aaron Wolf
I see boy-cried-wolf dynamics at play in all this. And there *are* witch-hunt dynamics. I work to get *past* my own trepidation while trying to engage constructively. I am honestly nervous. I worry that the sort of people who are quite upset about RMS being put back on the Board will see *me* in

Re: Support RMS

2021-04-15 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2021-04-15 5:54 p.m., quil...@riseup.net wrote: > Aaron Wolf writes: > >> Ali, >> >> I agree with your concerns here, and I have seen many unfair accusations. > > No you don't. You are not even addressing his concerns. > I don't need to address his

Re: Support RMS

2021-04-15 Thread Aaron Wolf
as greatly damaging their credibility by failing to distance themselves enough from the unfair attacks. Jean, I hope this helps as you requested. On 2021-04-15 11:43 a.m., Jean Louis wrote: > * Aaron Wolf [2021-04-15 20:59]: >> Maybe the most productive outcome is some situation where th

Re: Support RMS

2021-04-15 Thread Aaron Wolf
Thomas, I imagine Deb posting here to share her thoughts on the ways she sees RMS as a problem for the movement, but she's not saying that it personally drives her away from the movement. She's been involved in various orgs like Software Freedom Conservancy and is now at the OSI. I think her point

Re: Support RMS

2021-04-15 Thread Aaron Wolf
Ali, I agree with your concerns here, and I have seen many unfair accusations. However, we must be sure not to dismiss other concerns. In Deb's recent reply, she didn't repeat any of the unfair exaggerated accusations. We can grapple with the more subtle nuanced issues without assuming all

Re: GFDL license help

2021-04-09 Thread Aaron Wolf
In principle, you could use the GPL straight ahead and even AGPL. That would require that anyone who distributes the audio and video would actually include the source files, whatever they might be. This gets weird. Does it mean all the raw files and audio tracks and the saved sessions from editing

Re: easy CoC solution: permanently end in-person conference

2021-04-04 Thread Aaron Wolf
not sacrifice our effectiveness as a movement. In harmony, Aaron Wolf On 2021-04-04 12:33 a.m., Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss wrote: > > > On 04/04/2021 03:54, Thomas Lord wrote: >>   Good programmers inevitably learn, somewhere along the way, the >>   following less

Re: Support RMS

2021-03-31 Thread Aaron Wolf
Thanks for sharing this perspective. Accepting it at face value, it reinforces so strongly my view that the open letter against RMS and other things should have focused *exclusively* on these types of things. This is a boy-cried-wolf situation. If the debate were strictly on this type of thing and

Re: Support RMS

2021-03-27 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2021-03-27 2:27 p.m., quiliro wrote: > Aaron Wolf writes: > > >> Don't just look for the flaws. Ask: how is the Snowden analogy *useful*? > > I'll take the bait. How is it? How is attacking an old activist from the > safety of distance comparable to risking

Re: Support RMS

2021-03-26 Thread Aaron Wolf
> > > -t > > > > > On 2021-03-26 19:29, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> Thomas, you are using the fact that *some* accusations have not held up >> to scrutiny in order to conclude that all accusations have been >> scrutinized and not held up. >> >&g

Re: Support RMS

2021-03-26 Thread Aaron Wolf
Luke, I appreciate your mention of the CRNHQ stuff. I have not seen that exact material before but many other things like it. I agree wholeheartedly that this sort of recognition of victim mentality is important. Another framing is to say that we can have a TO-ME attitude (victim consciousness)

Re: Support RMS

2021-03-26 Thread Aaron Wolf
Thomas, you are using the fact that *some* accusations have not held up to scrutiny in order to conclude that all accusations have been scrutinized and not held up. I wonder if you would be more gracious if the accusers did more to emphasize both the unfair aspects of some accusations and

Re: Support RMS

2021-03-26 Thread Aaron Wolf
. On 2021-03-26 2:11 p.m., Jean Louis wrote: > * Aaron Wolf [2021-03-26 18:56]: >> I really appreciate seeing the perspective from Georgia. Thanks also >> deeply to Deb Nicholson for engaging here in this space. Obviously, >> these negative reports about RMS being presented *h

Re: Support RMS

2021-03-26 Thread Aaron Wolf
ike Deb are our whistleblowers, they are insiders who are >> bringing attention to serious issues. If we ignore or attack >> whistleblowers, we will fail to learn important lessons. This attitude >> can be fatal to a movement. > > This is a terrible analogy. Ed Snowden was r

Re: Support RMS

2021-03-26 Thread Aaron Wolf
eb are our whistleblowers, they are insiders who are bringing attention to serious issues. If we ignore or attack whistleblowers, we will fail to learn important lessons. This attitude can be fatal to a movement. In solidarity, Aaron Wolf (FSF member since 2014, co-founder of Snow

Re: Planned Obsolescence

2020-12-14 Thread Aaron Wolf
I'm still on a Pixel (original) running LineageOS, so I still get security updates. I'm quite sure the Pixel 2 is supported by LineageOS fully. Side-note: I used to be hesitant to admit to even having a cell phone. Very ironically, I got my first cell phone ever in 2014 as part of attending

Re: [OT] : Liberapay

2020-12-04 Thread Aaron Wolf
Liberapay is a relative stand-out in terms of working to overall be positive. I don't think they are having any sort of remarkable effect because they just support plain old traditional donations (i.e. it's just a tool for membership donations not unlike direct membership to FSF etc). I wouldn't

Re: [dotcom...@autistici.org: Re: Free Software Logo -> Where does FSF go?]

2020-11-02 Thread Aaron Wolf
While that's largely true, people can make whatever sorts of contracts like NDA's and other things. That doesn't completely disappear if copyright were abolished. On 2020-11-02 11:18 a.m., Albert Lee wrote: >On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 10:57 AM Aaron Wolf <[1]wolft...@riseup.net> &

Re: Free Software Logo

2020-10-29 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2020-10-29 9:22 a.m., Jean Louis wrote: > * Aaron Wolf [2020-10-29 19:00]: >> >> On 2020-10-29 8:40 a.m., Jean Louis wrote: >> >>> Did you see other logos on GNU website? That is what I meant. And >>> there is no such thing as control of &

Re: Free Software Logo

2020-10-29 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2020-10-29 8:40 a.m., Jean Louis wrote: > Did you see other logos on GNU website? That is what I meant. And > there is no such thing as control of "free software logos" in the > context of trademarks, GNU and free software dedicated groups do not > follow trademark doctrines. Open source

Re: Free Software Logo

2020-10-28 Thread Aaron Wolf
It's like a lock that is in unlocked position? On 2020-10-28 3:48 p.m., mray wrote: > Hi all, > > Short design related intermission: > > I'm letting you know that there is now a Free Software Logo ready to use > for everybody wanting to have a sign that says "Free Software": > >

Re: The sad decline of copyleft software licenses? :(

2020-09-22 Thread Aaron Wolf
Important topic. Some links: https://media.libreplanet.org/mgoblin_media/media_entries/2076/bkuhn-state-of-the-copyleft-union.webm https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/about/licenses see footnotes and links there too, such as https://dustycloud.org/blog/field-guide-to-copyleft/ There's a lot of issues,

Re: Practicality of GNU project and libre movement

2020-07-23 Thread Aaron Wolf
fully launched. Cheers, Aaron Wolf co-founder, Snowdrift.coop ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet-discuss

Re: One word label for someone who rejects proprietary software

2020-05-23 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2020-05-23 9:37 a.m., Steve Sullam wrote: > I wouldn't say libertarian. Libertarians are despicable. They are at > least partially responsible for why we have that ignorant orange toxic > mass in White House in the U.S. > Steve, the suggestion was "libREtarian" not "libERtarian" but they are

Re: purism why does fsf and libreplanet embrace a misleading company?

2020-03-15 Thread Aaron Wolf
on that. It's much easier to understand the concerns that way than with the rest of the general exasperation or accusations. On 2020-03-14 11:33 a.m., a via libreplanet-discuss wrote: > On 3/12/20 6:23 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> It would help if you state (or link) the specific concerns abo

Re: Campaign to boycott Facebook

2020-02-25 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2020-02-24 23:16, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Aaron Wolf, 24/02/20 17:55: >> Leaving is better, but if someone*doesn't*  leave, they should at least >> focus on consciousness-raising there. They can do so in replies as well >> as posts. > > Comments may be good

Re: Campaign to boycott Facebook

2020-02-24 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2020-02-24 01:03, Raymundo Vásquez Ruiz wrote: > Hello, > > On Monday, 24 de February de 2020 6:58, Aaron Wolf > wrote: > >> For anyone who won't leave FB, there's some value in specifically >> bringing anti-FB messages/warnings to the people who are there. I

Re: Campaign to boycott Facebook

2020-02-23 Thread Aaron Wolf
For anyone who won't leave FB, there's some value in specifically bringing anti-FB messages/warnings to the people who are there. If the only FB criticisms are outside FB, then they won't be seen by those who need them most. So, going to FB to criticize it is at least better than just using it

Re: One word label for someone who rejects proprietary software

2020-02-14 Thread Aaron Wolf
I use "FLO" as in Free/Libre/Open. I disagree with the argument that "open" is a bad term in itself, but I agree that it's insufficient. But "Open Source" and "Open" are everywhere in the world, and we *are* talking about that category of stuff (rather than gratis stuff per se). So, just as a

Re: Free licensing of surveillance software

2020-01-14 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2020-01-14 6:38 p.m., fischersfr...@sent.at wrote: > Aaron Wolf writes: >> Are you picturing a case of something like telemetry software that is >> benign and useful enough given transparency and acceptance by anyone who >> is getting measured > > I am not par

Re: Free licensing of surveillance software

2020-01-14 Thread Aaron Wolf
I've never heard of such a license. The only real effort on a stronger-than-AGPL license that I know of is copyleft-next. Are you picturing a case of something like telemetry software that is benign and useful enough given transparency and acceptance by anyone who is getting measured? And wanting

Re: “should have had a warning / apology”

2019-10-12 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2019-10-12 10:13 a.m., Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > Aaron Wolf wrote: >> On 2019-10-12 3:20 a.m., Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: >>> Aaron Wolf wrote: >>>> MBR posted a Facebook link (which should have had a warning/apology >>>> perhaps) >>>

Re: “should have had a warning / apology” (was: “I've known Stallman since the 1970s...”)

2019-10-12 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2019-10-12 3:20 a.m., Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > Aaron Wolf wrote: >> MBR posted a Facebook link (which should have had a warning/apology perhaps) > > I beg my pardon? Warning of / apology for what? > Just like "sorry for Facebook link" or something (b

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] FSF, consent and rape (was: were you censored too?)

2019-10-08 Thread Aaron Wolf
I don't see enough evidence to support even considering this interpretation of John Sullivan. The post included offensive language as well. It makes perfect sense for it to have been blocked. Accusations like this require far more evidence than this sort of scapegoating speculation. This sort of

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] “I don't answer questions from women”

2019-09-24 Thread Aaron Wolf
These issues aren't either/or, they are both. The "virginity" joke is undeniably tied to patriarchy and sexism, and people who are sensitive to those issues are predictably going to have a negative reaction. This is indeed part of the long pattern of uncomfortable issues. That said, there's

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Apologies

2019-09-24 Thread Aaron Wolf
Adrienne, that's a valid concern. People shouldn't be walking on eggshells. However, that's a misreading of the case here. This is more like 'Smee realizing on self-reflection that they actually *were* making assumptions and not being as considerate as they wish to be. I don't think this apology

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Moving Forward

2019-09-23 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2019-09-23 4:39 p.m., A. Mani wrote: > On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 6:11 PM Matt Ivie wrote: >> This is not the first attack to ever take place on a community or the >> figurehead of a movement. I think we all know that other important >> social movements have had their share of media-driven

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] To be FSF member to have a voice? Does anyone listen?

2019-09-23 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2019-09-23 9:12 a.m., Leah Rowe via libreplanet-discuss wrote: > On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:01:35 +0100 > Leah Rowe wrote: > >>> 2. Attend the LibrePlanet conference in March, where associate >>> members get costless admission and can attend the associate members' >>> meeting [2] on Sunday

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Why stay or start an FSF membership? To keep funding software freedom.

2019-09-21 Thread Aaron Wolf
While I agree *completely* with the concern, the Linux Foundation is a 501(c)(6) with a stated mandate to serve the *business* interests of companies that use Linux. The FSF as a 501(c)(3) with a social mission to promote software freedom *is* susceptible to take-over, but it's not an analogous

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] FSF should defend RMS and reject his resignation!

2019-09-19 Thread Aaron Wolf
the same dysfunctional mob-justice game that brought us to this place. On 2019-09-19 1:06 p.m., Adrienne G. Thompson wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 19, 2019 at 2:30 PM Aaron Wolf <mailto:wolft...@riseup.net>> wrote: > > I agree that the call-out > and cancel culture a

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] FSF should defend RMS and reject his resignation!

2019-09-19 Thread Aaron Wolf
It seems the public haranguing is so good at drawing emotion and attention that anything that doesn't fit the narrative gets ignored too often. And defending the accused in this bold public campaign way *does* fit the narrative. But I'm trying to keep pushing a different direction. I agree with

[libreplanet-discuss] Diplomatic activism [was Re: Is Stallman nuts?]

2019-09-18 Thread Aaron Wolf
The "thug" style of activists can be so extreme and closed-minded that they lash out at fellow activists for merely *proposing* diplomacy. Most don't recognize that their thuggishness is itself the most dangerous liability, undermining solidarity and credibility. These days, it's sometimes hard to

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Is Stallman nuts?

2019-09-17 Thread Aaron Wolf
worked to maintain respectful discourse here, trying to really listen to one another. In harmony, Aaron Wolf Snowdrift.coop ___ libreplanet-discuss mailing list libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org https://lists.libreplanet.org/mailman/listinfo/libreplanet

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] ethical edtech edit-a-thon

2019-03-30 Thread Aaron Wolf
Most of the clarifications from Adonay are correct, however the software freedom movement does not support any patenting of software generally. That some cases of software patents used defensively might exist in practice is a complex issue. But in general, there is correct consensus that software

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Issues on GitHub, Issues on GitHub

2019-03-27 Thread Aaron Wolf
FWIW, in addition to https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html which are outdated somewhat and don't cover much, I've tried to keep updating this list: https://wiki.snowdrift.coop/market-research/flo-repos I've only had substantial time myself with GitHub, GitLab, SourceForge,

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Issues on GitHub, Issues on GitHub

2019-03-27 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2019-03-27 3:24 a.m., Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > bill-auger wrote: >> On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 01:05:58 -0500 Cal wrote: >>> GitHub requires proprietary software (JavaScript). >> >> most of the github website is functional with librejs, including opening bug >> reports and commenting on existing

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] ethical edtech edit-a-thon

2019-03-15 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2019-03-15 7:25 p.m., overthefa...@opengroupware.ch wrote: > On 2019-03-13 08:30, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> On 2019-03-13 7:05 a.m., overthefa...@opengroupware.ch wrote: >>> >>> I follow what you're saying about open/open source and not demonizing >>> it, but woul

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] ethical edtech edit-a-thon

2019-03-13 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2019-03-13 11:39 a.m., Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: > Aaron Wolf wrote: >> There's a bunch of confusion going on here. <…> >> >> As far as trying to talk about these topics in general, I suggest the use of >> FLO (Free/Libre/Open), as discussed at >> https

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] ethical edtech edit-a-thon

2019-03-13 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2019-03-13 7:05 a.m., overthefa...@opengroupware.ch wrote: > > I follow what you're saying about open/open source and not demonizing > it, but would you mind clarifying the part about open source not really > being different? What is it in near unity with? > The set of licenses that the OSI

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] ethical edtech edit-a-thon

2019-03-12 Thread Aaron Wolf
There's a bunch of confusion going on here. Free/libre includes all freely licensed works, even when GPL incompatible. GNU itself hosts a list of specifically FREE/LIBRE licenses that are accepted as such despite the downside of being GPL-incompatible.

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] open letter to the Community:

2019-02-14 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 2/14/19 2:54 PM, Lyberta wrote: > John Sullivan: >> Greg Farough writes: >> >>> Let's not even joke about suicide or doing violence to people who use the >>> wrong kind of computer program. >>> >> >> Agreed, and let's let this thread drop. Lyberta is now on moderation, >> and I'll reach out

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] We've launched a new member forum!

2018-10-16 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 10/16/2018 07:59 AM, Andrew Engelbrecht wrote: > On 10/15/2018 07:01 PM, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> I signed up and was posting a few things in the feedback portion about >> setting up the forum itself. I only posted a couple things before I got >> this message: >> >

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] We've launched a new member forum!

2018-10-15 Thread Aaron Wolf
I signed up and was posting a few things in the feedback portion about setting up the forum itself. I only posted a couple things before I got this message: "You’ve reached the maximum number of topics a new user can create on their first day. Please wait 23 hours before trying again." That

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Direct data and derived data: chance for a data GPL?

2018-08-28 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 08/28/2018 05:37 AM, bill-auger wrote: > On Tue, 28 Aug 2018 02:43:06 +0200 Thomas Harding > wrote: >> Databases are "a set" of informations, and copyright applies on that >> collection as whole, and moreover on its structure. > > if thats true then it is a counter-argument to what the OP

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Recommendations for video chat on mobile phone

2018-08-18 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 08/18/2018 02:41 PM, J.B. Nicholson wrote: > Aaron Wolf wrote: >> The argument by individuals that they will benefit by following the >> crowd is not circular. > > They're not following crowds, they're joining a service to distribute > their work. Unless the service

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Any Libre Alternatives to Standard Accommodations for LibrePlanet?

2018-03-22 Thread Aaron Wolf
https://www.trustroots.org On 03/21/2018 05:45 PM, debo...@tuta.io wrote: > Greetings, > > I am Deborah, and I am a 24-year-old libre software enthusiast, who is > interested in learning more about libre software and meeting people in the > free software world! I am a recent associate member

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Libreboot X200 returns to Minifree

2017-12-12 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 12/12/2017 09:25 AM, Leah Rowe wrote: > Hi everyone :) > > The FSF already promotes Minifree's Libreboot T400 on their 2017 > giving guide and as part of RYF. > > I've recently re-launched the Libreboot X200, in case anyone is > interested. It's at a much lower price than before, and

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] GPL or AGPL by default

2017-09-20 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 09/19/2017 10:52 PM, Nicolás Ortega Froysa wrote: > On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 02:56:23PM -0700, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> On 09/19/2017 11:50 AM, Nicolás Ortega Froysa wrote: >>> On Tue, Sep 19, 2017 at 06:08:00PM +, Lyberta wrote: >>>> Given how quickly SaaSS is ta

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Announcing Libre Orchestra

2017-09-19 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 09/19/2017 03:35 PM, Lyberta wrote: > Hi. > > I make orchestral music and was dissatisfied with the lack of quality > libre sampled orchestral instruments. There are a few gratis orchestras, > but none of them are good enough: > > * Sonatina Symphonic Orchestra - licensed under CC-Sampling+

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] GPL or AGPL by default

2017-09-19 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 09/19/2017 11:08 AM, Lyberta wrote: > Given how quickly SaaSS is taking over the world, should we start > recommending releasing software under AGPL by default? Even if you wrote > a simple thing intended to be run locally, someone may put it on the > server, make SaaSS with it and then add

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Adding [A]GPLv3+ code to Quake-based code base

2017-08-30 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 08/30/2017 10:10 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 21:48:03 -0700, Aaron Wolf wrote: >> What do you mean "only if modifications are made"? >> Can you cite the part of the license you read that way? > > https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-affero-gp

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Adding [A]GPLv3+ code to Quake-based code base

2017-08-30 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 08/30/2017 06:54 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 09:19:13 -0700, Aaron Wolf wrote: >>> So if someone downloads such combined work and start a server, do they >>> have to publish the complete source code? What if they modify it? >>> >> >&

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Adding [A]GPLv3+ code to Quake-based code base

2017-08-29 Thread Aaron Wolf
> in fact, both licenses have to contain such an explicit concession to > each other for the one-way compatibility to work. > This bit isn't correct. It's perfectly feasible for a license to say it is one-directionally compatible (i.e. explicitly allow relicensing or use in a project of a

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Adding [A]GPLv3+ code to Quake-based code base

2017-08-29 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 08/29/2017 02:58 PM, Lyberta wrote: > Aaron Wolf: >> You'll need the "or any later version" clause from the GPLv2 stuff. You >> can ask all the copyright holders if they are willing to add it. > > I have talked to other developers and they clarified that the c

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Adding [A]GPLv3+ code to Quake-based code base

2017-08-29 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 08/29/2017 02:53 AM, Lyberta wrote: > Hi. I'm working on the video game called Xonotic[1] that was based on > the Quake source code[2]. This code was originally released under the > terms of GNU GPLv2 and I can't find if it has the "or any later version" > clause. I want to license my code

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] helping newcomers start blogs - but where?

2017-08-20 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 08/20/2017 04:02 PM, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > Interesting view... > > I wonder however, how to deal with cases where the site > visitor/guest/client doesn't have any script blocker or scanner enabled? > Surely he'll fall into the JavaScript trap... and it's in this situation > that the

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] helping newcomers start blogs - but where?

2017-08-20 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 08/20/2017 11:10 AM, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > At least for me, using GNU LibreJS 6.0.13, it seems to force > visitors/guests/clients to use some non-free software, see the attached > report. > > > > ___ > libreplanet-discuss mailing list >

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] helping newcomers start blogs - but where?

2017-08-20 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 08/19/2017 09:59 PM, Mike Gerwitz wrote: > On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 19:52:51 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote: >> blogger.com > > Blogger requires non-free JS to even begin to render a page. I've never > been able to read any blogs hosted on that site, unfortunately. > > Unless things have since

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Modernizing the Libreplanet Community Infrastructure

2017-06-21 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 06/21/2017 05:42 AM, Hellekin O. Wolf wrote: > On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 11:31:56PM +0200, John Sullivan wrote: >> A couple quick things: >> >> 1) have you looked at Mailman 3? Has web forum features. >> > > Mailman3 remains a mailing list software with a Web interface. > > What you can gain

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Potential of the Sleepycat License

2017-04-17 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 04/17/2017 03:02 PM, Michael Pagan wrote: > Aaron Wolf <wolft...@riseup.net> wrote: >> On 04/16/2017 08:32 PM, Michael Pagan wrote: >> >>> the work must be under the same license as the original work, too. >> >> To be picky and pedantic, what matters f

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Potential of the Sleepycat License

2017-04-16 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 04/16/2017 08:32 PM, Michael Pagan wrote: > the work must be under the same license as the original work, too. To be picky and pedantic, what matters for copyleft is merely that the freedoms may not be stripped away. It doesn't matter whether derivatives have the exact same license, that's

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: WIKILEAKS, Vault 7: CIA Hacking Tools Revealed

2017-03-08 Thread Aaron Wolf
Thread below proves yet again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law Please everyone refrain from any facetious or sarcastic or similar text posts here or otherwise unless explicitly marked. On 03/08/2017 06:41 AM, A.S. wrote: > Daniel, please consider writing your emails in a more polite way.

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Freedom friendly online survey software?

2017-02-20 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 02/20/2017 06:46 AM, Pen-Yuan Hsing wrote: > Dear libreplanet, > > I often see online surveys/evaluations done with Google Forms or > Surveymonkey, but these services are not freedom or privacy respecting. > > Are there replacements for them that *are* freedom and privacy > respecting? Thank

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Distil Networks blocks entire websites if you protect privacy at all

2016-06-16 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 06/10/2016 06:39 AM, Adonay Felipe Nogueira wrote: > Perhaps you can use LibrePlanet.org to register an action item related > to the issue. > > For example, create a page somewhere on LibrePlanet.org (I recommend > making a subpage of "Action items", but that's up to you), and make sure > to

Re: [libreplanet-discuss] Distil Networks blocks entire websites if you protect privacy at all

2016-06-07 Thread Aaron Wolf
On 06/07/2016 10:37 PM, Julien Kyou wrote: > On June 8, 2016 1:10:04 AM AST, Aaron Wolf <wolft...@riseup.net> wrote: > > > https://help.distilnetworks.com/hc/en-us/articles/212154438-Third-Party-Browser-Plugins-That-Block-JavaScript > > I was going to a we

[libreplanet-discuss] Distil Networks blocks entire websites if you protect privacy at all

2016-06-07 Thread Aaron Wolf
for the website to explain to them this terrible experience since I can't even get to the website. This trend is super troubling. If a website buys into this company's security claims and approach, they won't even likely get feedback well and may not even recognize the problems. -- Aaron Wolf co-founder

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