Re: Replying to posts

2016-05-01 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> My Titanium Internet Security blocks this site as a "Dangerous Page." Hmm. Google doesn't do any warning... Looking into the .msi file to download, everything looks right (but I'm not the right person to investigate such issues). Werner ___

RE: Replying to posts

2016-05-01 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
ail.com Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Replying to posts From: Werner LEMBERG <w...@gnu.org> Subject: Re: Replying to posts Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 07:19:48 +0200 (CEST) > >>> What about this? >>> >>> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ &

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-30 Thread BB
I have added that subject to my spam filter. Anyway have fun in blabbermouting ... On 30.04.2016 10:17, Johan Vromans wrote: On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:00:14 + David Linn wrote: 1) I am not David Kastrup, I am David Linn. Hi David, good to hear from you! 5) Personal attacks

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-30 Thread Johan Vromans
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 17:00:14 + David Linn wrote: > 1) I am not David Kastrup, I am David Linn. Hi David, good to hear from you! > 5) Personal attacks against a list administrator (such as the ones > launched against me for the work I done on this list and its cousins and >

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Colin Campbell
On 16-04-28 10:05 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: As far as I know this particular list does not have a list owner, and there are no published rules. Of course there is a list owner. However, up to now there wasn't a single person who stomped our nuts too hard, so to say, forcing us to banning him

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Gianmaria Lari
My guess is that a large part of Lilypond mailing list messages deals with issues related to graphic output (lilypond is a sort of typesetting system, isn't it?) If this is correct I think emails would take advantage of inline images because these elements can make more clear messages. Attaching

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Chris Yate
On 29 April 2016 at 22:06, David Bellows wrote: >. I know a lot of people avoid Reddit, and for very good reasons, I think it's almost as bad a time-sink as TVTropes. Actually, Stack sites can be too. ___ lilypond-user mailing

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread David Bellows
And just to let people know, if anyone does want to carry on a massive meta-discussion/RFC in a slightly more manageable form, there is a subreddit devoted to Lilypond (which I happen to be the moderator for): http://www.reddit.com/r/lilypond. We'd be totally fine with having that, or any, kind of

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Noeck
Links to the discussion in 2014 have already been posted. For reference, the discussion from 2012 is here: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2012-11/msg00018.html Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Noeck
Am 29.04.2016 um 12:20 schrieb Andrew Bernard: > Since this is the longest thread in recent memory ... I wonder if we should > consider > using some forum type software for lilypond matters? Mentioning that this is an extraordinarily long thread and then starting a new subject, which led to

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Malte Meyn
Am 29.04.2016 um 15:50 schrieb Alexander Kobel: There's one single reason why I sometimes prefer even small code pieces in attachments, despite the fact that I usually like to read them inline: If there is a lone ">>" (which happens quite often in LilyPond code, for obvious reasons), it messes

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> . Use the `reply-to-all' button so that the discussion stays on the >> list. It is not helpful if answers are suddenly sent to >> individuals only. Additionally, it helps to properly build up >> e-mail threads. > > Remove all non-list addresses from the reply list. No. Sometimes,

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Alexander Kobel
On 2016-04-29 12:30, Urs Liska wrote: Am 29.04.2016 um 12:28 schrieb Federico Bruni: Il giorno ven 29 apr 2016 alle 10:50, Simon Albrecht ha scritto: On 29.04.2016 10:11, Johan Vromans wrote: . Provide a minimal working example (or a minimal not-working

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno ven 29 apr 2016 alle 12:59, Johan Vromans ha scritto: There's some Lilypond questions on the tex StackExchange forum, and you'll find some on the StackOverflow too. I have a very strong preference for one single place where all information lives. And I'm

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Chris Yate
On 29 April 2016 at 11:59, Johan Vromans wrote: > > I have a very strong preference for one single place where all information > lives. And I'm very happy with this mailing list. Yes, although I personally find StackOverflow a far better way of asking, answering and

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Alberto Simões
On 29/04/2016 11:59, Johan Vromans wrote: >There's some Lilypond questions on the tex StackExchange forum, and you'll >find some on the StackOverflow too. I have a very strong preference for one single place where all information lives. And I'm very happy with this mailing list. +1 for good

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Johan Vromans
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 11:45:12 +0100 Chris Yate wrote: > There's some Lilypond questions on the tex StackExchange forum, and you'll > find some on the StackOverflow too. I have a very strong preference for one single place where all information lives. And I'm very happy with

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Johan Vromans
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 20:20:12 +1000 Andrew Bernard wrote: > > ... but since [David] is the list owner he's to decide. > > Is he? We do not know. An other branch of this discussion tree indicates so. > Werner’s guidelines are only one personal view and suggestion,

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno ven 29 apr 2016 alle 12:20, Andrew Bernard ha scritto: I wonder if we should consider using some forum type software for lilypond matters? The mailing list has a flat structure, and I have long thought that we ought to have a separate area for Scheme topics,

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Chris Yate
On 29 April 2016 at 11:20, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > Since this is the longest thread in recent memory - interesting > because it is a meta-thread really - I wonder if we should consider > using some forum type software for lilypond matters? There's some Lilypond

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Johan Vromans
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 12:30:25 +0200 Urs Liska wrote: > I think this needs some clarification: > > Inserting *code* examples within the text is usually very good for > communication. I think the suggested ban on inline examples referred to > *images* Too often I encounter

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Urs Liska
Am 29.04.2016 um 12:28 schrieb Federico Bruni: > Il giorno ven 29 apr 2016 alle 10:50, Simon Albrecht > ha scritto: >> On 29.04.2016 10:11, Johan Vromans wrote: >> > >> >>. Provide a minimal working example (or a minimal not-working >> >> example). The stress

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno ven 29 apr 2016 alle 10:50, Simon Albrecht ha scritto: On 29.04.2016 10:11, Johan Vromans wrote: > >>. Provide a minimal working example (or a minimal not-working >> example). The stress lies on *minimal*. This shows us that you >> have at

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Johan, On 29 April 2016 at 18:11, Johan Vromans wrote: > Well done. Now if David would be so kind to add this as the new subcribers > welcome message. I have some remarks, but since he is the list owner he's > to decide. Is he? We do not know. > Well done, Werner! >

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Urs Liska
Am 29.04.2016 um 10:11 schrieb Johan Vromans: >> . Use the `reply-to-all' button so that the discussion stays on the >> > list. It is not helpful if answers are suddenly sent to >> > individuals only. Additionally, it helps to properly build up >> > e-mail threads. > Remove all

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 29.04.2016 10:11, Johan Vromans wrote: . Provide a minimal working example (or a minimal not-working example). The stress lies on *minimal*. This shows us that you have at least tried to look into the manual before asking.

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Michael Hendry
> On 29 Apr 2016, at 06:26, Tim McNamara wrote: > > > >> On Apr 28, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: >> >> >>> Reading your admonition to "don't use top-posting," I tried to >>> locate the command in Outlook 2013 that sets this option as default.

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread David Kastrup
Werner LEMBERG writes: > [David, please have a look to this e-mail.] > > >> > Of course there is a list owner. >> >> Who, may one ask? Why are they taking no interest in this extensive >> discussion? > > Ah, bad wording of mine. `List owner' is too big a word; the list was >

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-29 Thread Johan Vromans
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 06:05:49 +0200 (CEST) Werner LEMBERG wrote: > In general, the list netiquette is quite simple. Here's a small, > probably incomplete list. Well done. Now if David would be so kind to add this as the new subcribers welcome message. I have some remarks, but

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
From: Werner LEMBERG <w...@gnu.org> Subject: Re: Replying to posts Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2016 07:19:48 +0200 (CEST) > >>> What about this? >>> >>> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ >>> >>> I'm not an outlook user, but this

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Tim McNamara
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 11:45 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > >> Reading your admonition to "don't use top-posting," I tried to >> locate the command in Outlook 2013 that sets this option as default. > > What about this? > > http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread mskala
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > contributors in my local filtering rules, and seriously consider > > both exiting the list and ceasing to use LilyPond entirely. > > Exiting the list I can understand, but ceasing to use? Tsk, tsk, > tsk :-) If I were going to only ever use the

RE: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
To: carsonm...@ca.rr.com Cc: andrew.bern...@gmail.com; lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Replying to posts > Reading your admonition to "don't use top-posting," I tried to locate > the command in Outlook 2013 that sets this option as default. What about this? http://home.in.tum.d

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> What about this? >> >> http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ >> >> I'm not an outlook user, but this looks quite promising (and is >> actively maintained)! > > Really? Runs on NT4 up to XP. Support up to Outlook 2003. That's > moribund by any standard, surely? Oops! I've

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread DJF
On Apr 29, 2016, at 12:20 AM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > Hi Tim, > > On 29 April 2016 at 13:48, Tim McNamara wrote: > >> Most mailing lists send a copy of the rules with the "welcome e-mail" that >> is sent someone subscribes to the list. It's

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
>> . Stay polite and avoid ad-hominem attacks. > > Is that a real rule, or only what we wish were a rule? Actively managing a mailing list is work. AFAIK, no-one is taking care of that, see my other mail. So yes, currently it is a wish. > I've seldom seen more ad hominem on any list than I

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Werner, On 29 April 2016 at 14:45, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > > What about this? > > http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ > > I'm not an outlook user, but this looks quite promising (and is > actively maintained)! > Really? Runs on NT4 up to XP. Support up to

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
[David, please have a look to this e-mail.] > > Of course there is a list owner. > > Who, may one ask? Why are they taking no interest in this extensive > discussion? Ah, bad wording of mine. `List owner' is too big a word; the list was automatically created for the lilypond team by the

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread mskala
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > . Stay polite and avoid ad-hominem attacks. Is that a real rule, or only what we wish were a rule? I've seldom seen more ad hominem on any list than I routinely see on this one, and it has caused me to both block a couple of regular contributors in

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Mark, The issue of top posting surely in and of itself generates massive flame wars. It is by no means agreed upon. Business (and so Outlook) generally uses top posting. Internet groups often do not. Werner's list is just a suggestion. There's no rule about top, bottom, or interleaved posting

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Reading your admonition to "don't use top-posting," I tried to > locate the command in Outlook 2013 that sets this option as default. What about this? http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/outlook-quotefix/ I'm not an outlook user, but this looks quite promising (and is actively

RE: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Mark Stephen Mrotek
ind attention. Mark Stephen Mrotek -Original Message- From: lilypond-user [mailto:lilypond-user-bounces+carsonmark=ca.rr@gnu.org] On Behalf Of Werner LEMBERG Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2016 9:06 PM To: andrew.bern...@gmail.com Cc: lilypond-user@gnu.org Subject: Re: Replying to posts

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Tim, On 29 April 2016 at 13:48, Tim McNamara wrote: > Most mailing lists send a copy of the rules with the "welcome e-mail" that is > sent someone subscribes to the list. It's been long enough that I don't > remember what the one I received said on the topic. I just

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Werner, On 29 April 2016 at 14:05, Werner LEMBERG wrote: > >> As far as I know this particular list does not have a list owner, >> and there are no published rules. > > Of course there is a list owner. Who, may one ask? Why are they taking no interest in this extensive

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> As far as I know this particular list does not have a list owner, > and there are no published rules. Of course there is a list owner. However, up to now there wasn't a single person who stomped our nuts too hard, so to say, forcing us to banning him or her from the list. In general, the

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Tim McNamara
> On Apr 28, 2016, at 9:37 PM, Andrew Bernard wrote: > > The whole reason I began this thread was to ask if there may be some > simple way we could post the code of conduct/guidelines/policy for the > mailing list so that people could be made aware of it. Nobody has >

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Andrew Bernard
On 29 April 2016 at 12:18, Gilles wrote: > People here have given reasons that can translate into (implicit) rules. > Another (meta-)rule is to behave the same way as others do (e.g. looking > at the archives could give hints as to what is the norm). The whole

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Gilles, I don't think there is any such for this list. Is there? Andrew On 29 April 2016 at 12:18, Gilles wrote: > > List owner/adminstrator/moderator: ie. someone who has the privilege to > unsubscribe other people. >

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Gilles
On Fri, 29 Apr 2016 10:40:09 +1000, Andrew Bernard wrote: Hi Gilles, As far as I know this particular list does not have a list owner, and there are no published rules. List owner/adminstrator/moderator: ie. someone who has the privilege to unsubscribe other people. People here have given

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Gilles, As far as I know this particular list does not have a list owner, and there are no published rules. Andrew On 27/04/2016, 10:05 PM, "lilypond-user on behalf of Gilles" wrote:

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Rafael Ramirez Morales
This thread gets better and better! I'm subscribed to 2 maling lists in gnu.org: lilypond & org-mode... At this point in time I cannot distinguish to which of the two this thread belongs to. “Organize your life in plain text!” “Organize your music in plain text!” Cheers. On 28 April 2016 at

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Anthonys Lists
On 28/04/2016 15:18, Johan Vromans wrote: On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:43:34 +0100 Steve Downes wrote: 4) it doesn't go out of date due to format change Although not related to email per se, this is the strongest argument to always use the simplest data format that can

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi, > for *my* use case, it probably really IS NOT an improvement! > I've never used it, never tried it, never had any desire to. That was me — almost verbatim — about two years ago. Now I’m kicking myself for having waited so long. YMMV. Best, Kieren. Kieren

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Johan Vromans
On Thu, 28 Apr 2016 13:43:34 +0100 Steve Downes wrote: > 4) it doesn't go out of date due to format change Although not related to email per se, this is the strongest argument to always use the simplest data format that can represent the information.

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Carl Sorensen
On 4/28/16 6:26 AM, "Wols Lists" wrote: >On 28/04/16 12:43, Chris Yate wrote: >> >> >> "Shiny" isn't necessarily "improved" but they're not mutually >> exclusive. Would you suggest Frescobaldi is *not* a big improvement in >> the User Interface for Lilypond

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Steve Downes
I cannot understand why anybody uses html (except their software point them at it) I decided 20 years ago when word processors were coming in with various formats that I would always use plain text unless there was a strong reason not to because:- 1) it took less storage 2) it travelled faster 3)

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Urs Liska
Am 28. April 2016 14:08:41 MESZ, schrieb Chris Yate : >On 28 Apr 2016 13:07, "Werner LEMBERG" wrote: >> >> >> > Would you suggest Frescobaldi is *not* a big improvement in the >User >> > Interface for Lilypond development? >> >> No, it isn't. It is a big

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Wols Lists
On 28/04/16 12:43, Chris Yate wrote: > On 27 April 2016 at 19:25, Anthonys Lists wrote: >> >> And the reality is, most people HERE, including the most important ones! use >> simple, plain-text, email clients. >> There's a reason why Outlook Lusers are not welcome on

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> For that, you want Visual Studio... Pfft. You are probably not aware that it is not possible to compile lilypond under Windows currently... It would be great if you could improve that. Werner ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Chris Yate
On 28 Apr 2016 13:07, "Werner LEMBERG" wrote: > > > > Would you suggest Frescobaldi is *not* a big improvement in the User > > Interface for Lilypond development? > > No, it isn't. It is a big improvement for *using* lilypond (well, for > all those guys and ladies who like IDEs),

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Chris Yate
On 28 Apr 2016 13:07, "Werner LEMBERG" wrote: > > > > Would you suggest Frescobaldi is *not* a big improvement in the User > > Interface for Lilypond development? > > No, it isn't. It is a big improvement for *using* lilypond (well, for > all those guys and ladies who like IDEs),

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Would you suggest Frescobaldi is *not* a big improvement in the User > Interface for Lilypond development? No, it isn't. It is a big improvement for *using* lilypond (well, for all those guys and ladies who like IDEs), but for lilypond *development* you certainly don't need it. Werner

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Urs Liska
Am 28.04.2016 um 13:43 schrieb Chris Yate: > Would you suggest Frescobaldi is *not* a big improvement in > the User Interface for Lilypond development? Oh, just wait for the flame wars when we announce that we finally provide tools for graphically tweaking slurs in Frescobaldi ;-)

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Chris Yate
On 27 April 2016 at 19:25, Anthonys Lists wrote: > > And the reality is, most people HERE, including the most important ones! use > simple, plain-text, email clients. > There's a reason why Outlook Lusers are not welcome on most mailing lists, > and that's because the

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-28 Thread Peter Gentry
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:01:48 +0200 From: David Kastrup <d...@gnu.org> To: Chris Yate <chrisy...@gmail.com> Cc: Gianmaria Lari <gianmarial...@gmail.com>, Lilypond-User Mailing List <lilypond-user@gnu.org> Subject: Re: Replying to posts Message-ID: <871t5

Neo-Layout and LilyPond (was: Re: Replying to posts)

2016-04-27 Thread Simon Albrecht
On 27.04.2016 14:10, lilyp...@maltemeyn.de wrote: (now I use the neo layout but that's somewhat special ...) Me too! And I find it perfect for LilyPond code. Best, Simon ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread N. Andrew Walsh
I *told* you it would be a great nerd-fight. So long as we argue in good faith, and stay friends afterwards, it's all in good spirit. <3 On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Rafael Ramirez Morales < rafael.ramirezmora...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks everybody. > > This has been one of the funniest

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Rafael Ramirez Morales
Thanks everybody. This has been one of the funniest flames in recent memory. Funny because a benign "do not use HTML mail" hits the fan at warp speed. Funny, because we are talking about LilyPond users here: Many non-technical end users, maybe transitioning from WYSIWYG/point-click to WYSIWYM.

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Anthonys Lists
On 27/04/2016 12:35, N. Andrew Walsh wrote: With all due respect, considerate is as considerate does. Shouting and screaming because you use some obscure tool that doesn't work the way 99% of the internet messaging tools in use work, and expect people to be accommodating of you,

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread David Wright
On Wed 27 Apr 2016, Chris Yate wrote: > To be honest, I'd suggest you ignore the people that whinge about HTML > emails, top-posting, etc. For the 20-something years I've been using the > internet there's always been pedantic arses on mailing lists that would > rather beat people up about the

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Christoph Friedrich
...persistently... the world has moved on, my computer changes my words without asking me. Am 27.04.2016 14:51, schrieb Christoph Friedrich: ... only the Swiss persistingly deny to use it:-) ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Christoph Friedrich
... only the Swiss persistingly deny to use it:-) Am 27.04.2016 14:35, schrieb Werner LEMBERG: Now I'm going to start an argument about your deplorable capitulation to the masses by abandoning the venerable "ß". Well, the `ß' character is not abandonded at all in Germany and Austria! Only

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Werner LEMBERG
> Now I'm going to start an argument about your deplorable > capitulation to the masses by abandoning the venerable "ß". Well, the `ß' character is not abandonded at all in Germany and Austria! Only the rules have changed when to use it. Werner

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Werner LEMBERG
From: Chris Yate <chrisy...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Replying to posts Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:01:41 +0100 > On 27 Apr 2016 12:40 pm, "N. Andrew Walsh" <n.andrew.wa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> In german we have a saying: >>> "Le

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread N. Andrew Walsh
"special"? I'll show you special. I have a Maltron split-layout keyboard, with a switch on the underside to change between the "normal" German QWERTZ layout and the custom one Maltron designed for themselves to be ergonomic (in which the home row is ANISF -- DTHORÄ, the numeric keypad is in

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread lilypond
Am 2016-04-27 14:01, schrieb Chris Yate: On 27 Apr 2016 12:40 pm, "N. Andrew Walsh" wrote: In german we have a saying: "Leute fresst Scheisse. Millionen Fliegen können nicht irren." Now I'm going to start an argument about your deplorable capitulation to the

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread lilypond
Am 2016-04-27 13:39, schrieb N. Andrew Walsh: In german we have a saying: "Leute fresst Scheisse. Millionen Fliegen können nicht irren." Now I'm going to start an argument about your deplorable capitulation to the masses by abandoning the venerable "ß". *goes back to the popcorn* I can

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Gilles
Hello. On Wed, 27 Apr 2016 13:44:39 +0200 (CEST), Martin Tarenskeen wrote: On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, David Kastrup wrote: Looks like I'm no longer welcome on this list. I'll unsubscribe and leave it to the people who understand the medium better. I assume that I'm more welcome on the developer

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Chris Yate
On 27 Apr 2016 12:40 pm, "N. Andrew Walsh" wrote: >> >> In german we have a saying: >> "Leute fresst Scheisse. Millionen Fliegen können nicht irren." > > Now I'm going to start an argument about your deplorable capitulation to the masses by abandoning the venerable "ß".

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Chris Yate
...to be clear I understand not everyone uses the same tools and we have different needs. The thing that tends to rile me is the tone of the complaints. When it's a legitimate matter of doing things to cooperate with list software, that's absolutely reasonable. When it's somebody's deeply held

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Martin Tarenskeen
On Wed, 27 Apr 2016, David Kastrup wrote: Looks like I'm no longer welcome on this list. I'll unsubscribe and leave it to the people who understand the medium better. I assume that I'm more welcome on the developer list. People there are more likely to get along with conveying messages

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread N. Andrew Walsh
> > In german we have a saying: > "Leute fresst Scheisse. Millionen Fliegen können nicht irren." > Now I'm going to start an argument about your deplorable capitulation to the masses by abandoning the venerable "ß". *goes back to the popcorn* ___

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread N. Andrew Walsh
> > With all due respect, considerate is as considerate does. Shouting and > screaming because you use some obscure tool that doesn't work the way 99% > of the internet messaging tools in use work, and expect people to be > accommodating of you, isn't considerate. > Well, here's the part where I

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Thomas Morley
2016-04-27 13:13 GMT+02:00 Chris Yate : > Shouting and > screaming because you use some obscure tool that doesn't work the way 99% of > the internet messaging tools in use work, and expect people to be > accommodating of you, isn't considerate. > > Chris In german we have a

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Chris Yate
On 27 Apr 2016 12:04, "Andrew Bernard" wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > Although I started this thread, it was purely because David Wright had mentioned the difficulty to another user, as he had to me. I am not the one complaining! Wanting to be considerate of all folks on the

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno mer 27 apr 2016 alle 12:30, Chris Yate ha scritto: On the other hand, if one is still using Pine for reading email, I think it's their own fault if they can't read a message. The world has moved on, and so should our tools. "The world has moved on" doesn't

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi David, Nothing could be further from the truth. Please refer to my reply posted to Mr Yate posted this very minute. I must say that after seeing the reponse to this thread I started I myself was considering unsubscribing. Dear me. Andrew On 27/04/2016, 9:01 PM, "lilypond-user on

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Andrew Bernard
Hi Chris, Although I started this thread, it was purely because David Wright had mentioned the difficulty to another user, as he had to me. I am not the one complaining! Wanting to be considerate of all folks on the list I took some effort to configure my Outlook in Office 365 to produce the

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread David Kastrup
Chris Yate writes: > To be honest, I'd suggest you ignore the people that whinge about HTML > emails, top-posting, etc. For the 20-something years I've been using > the internet there's always been pedantic arses on mailing lists that > would rather beat people up about the

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Chris Yate
> The list is plain text only. So if you use a mailer like Outlook and your default is to send HTML format mail, > you need to configure Outlook to reply to email in the format in which it was sent, that is, here, plain text. > Then list users will get properly formatted plain text replies with

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Urs Liska
Am 27.04.2016 um 12:17 schrieb Chris Yate: > To be honest, I'd suggest you ignore the people that whinge about HTML > emails, top-posting, etc. For the 20-something years I've been using > the internet there's always been pedantic arses on mailing lists that > would rather beat people up about

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Chris Yate
> The reality is that the world, given the ubiquity of broadband and graphical interfaces, has moved on from plain text. > It is no longer the standard and has not been for a decade or more- most Internet users have, I suspect, no knowledge > of this old standard any longer. Expecting others to

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-27 Thread Gianmaria Lari
I personally prefer simple text email... everytime I can avoid html. But in case of not trivial subject, using formatting give me the possibility to explain more clearly my ideas. Yes of course, I could do something similar using ascii but it would be more difficult, time consuming and the final

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-26 Thread David Kastrup
Wols Lists writes: > On 25/04/16 23:48, J Martin Rushton wrote: >> Your comments about broadband being ubiquitous are unfounded. Even >> where broadband is claimed, plenty of people still struggle on with >> around 1Mb/s. Using BT in the south east of England we only

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-26 Thread Blöchl Bernhard
Am 26.04.2016 01:16, schrieb Kieren MacMillan: Hello all, keep the fancy stuff for when it's needed. Like PGP? ;) Regards, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-25 Thread Wols Lists
On 25/04/16 23:48, J Martin Rushton wrote: > Your comments about broadband being ubiquitous are unfounded. Even > where broadband is claimed, plenty of people still struggle on with > around 1Mb/s. Using BT in the south east of England we only get 1.6 > Mb/s and I don't appreciate sitting and

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hello all, > keep the fancy stuff for when it's needed. Like PGP? ;) Regards, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.info ‣ email: i...@kierenmacmillan.info ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-25 Thread J Martin Rushton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 25/04/16 13:39, Tim McNamara wrote: > On Apr 25, 2016, at 5:00 AM, Andrew Bernard > > > wrote: > >> Greetings All, >> >> In a recent post David Wright asks of a user: >> >>> Please

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-25 Thread N. Andrew Walsh
Actually, I'm more inclined to agree with you (I *despise* overly-HTML-formatted email, even though I use gmail, because even with a good fontconfig setup it looks like garbage). I was, rather, expressing some enthusiasm that we're a community that has intensive discussions about stuff like this,

Re: Replying to posts

2016-04-25 Thread David Kastrup
"N. Andrew Walsh" writes: > Oh man, this is going to be the best nerd-fight ever. > > *gets popcorn and writes a reply out in non-ISO character encoding* There is no need to fight. If there is sufficient support for abolishing all mailing list etiquette and common

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