Re: Frescobaldi Log Error -1073741819 on Windows10

[peter.gentry]

Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 15:10:25 -0700

From: Aaron Hill mailto:lilyp...@hillvisions.com>
>

To: lilypond-user@gnu.org  

Subject: Re: Frescobaldi Log Error -1073741819 on Windows10

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Folks,

 

An Access Violation has nothing to do with permissions as was stated
earlier.  This error code is specific to virtual memory management.  

Most often, this points to an error in programming logic such as a NULL
pointer access but it could be any attempt to read from and or write to a
virtual memory address that is invalid for the running process.

 

Based on threads earlier in the year, it would seem the Windows build of
LilyPond is known to have some gnarly and difficult to source issues with
memory management.  While it can often run without error, certain constructs
in input will result in an AV.  In fact, it is one of the reasons why I
stopped using the Windows build in favor of running the Linux version
through the Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL).  Also, it would seem there
are very few and/or constrained resources for debugging this sort of thing,
as the principal developers for LilyPond would seem to be mostly
Linux-based.

 

Setting aside all that for a moment, Peter mentioned possible issues
manifesting in other software, and also that the input file in question has
worked before.  So the underlying issue most likely is caused by a recent
change to the system.  The fact that closing other running apps helped once
would make me think that there is an issue with excessive memory
consumption.  Programs that do not handle out-of-memory conditions well can
often run afoul of an AV.

 

@Peter: Would you kindly verify a few things?

 

- Does LilyPond work at all?  That is, are you only noticing issues with
particular input files or does it fail the same way even for simple inputs?
Also, is this issue occurring when building through Frescobaldi, or does it
also occur if you just launch LilyPond manually?

 

- Can you reproduce these issues when running LilyPond after a clean reboot
of the machine while running as little else as possible?

 

- Since this issue seems to impact two devices, have you installed anything
recently on both machines?  Also, have you made any configuration changes
that would have applied to both devices?

 

 

-- Aaron Hill

 

Hi Aaron

 

Sorry to be so long - I have been tangled up in Windows10.

 

First I have no issues with Lilypond or Frescobaldi. Clean reboots have
removed MOST of the issues still one thing caught me out see below.

No configuration or download issues. But as usual file sharing on the local
ethernet was spannered after the restores and continues to be here today and
gone tomorrow.

The desktop needed a Windows10 style destructive restore losing my Outlook
data files and all the Outlook pop and smtp data ( grrr) as well as a raft
of other software. Who is it that relies only on Windows Store Apps!?.

 

I take your point and was coming to a similar conclusion.  I suspect the
root of the problem may lie in the structure of the file index in Windows.
There are two different observations.

a.  Somehow unbeknown to me I have got both onedrive and dropbox lurking
about in the file index. This can lead to a file pointer effectively
pointing to an empty folder (null) which can produce the above error
message. I ended up with duplicate folder trees in and out of onedrive and
one set of folders appears empty of files.
b.  Secondly and possibly related some files were not accessible
(permissions) and it was impossible to alter the permissions.
c.  Could both a and b be the result of a corrupt file index?
d.  The above is based on observation since I am ignorant of how the
file index is created and where it is stored and how onedrive or dropbox
interact with it.

 

 

 

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An empirical tip from the Fresco/Lily problem saga (not strictly Lily)

[peter.gentry]

I have had endless troubles with Network not showing all the machines on my
LAN. 

 

However subsequent to removing the onedrive program (comments passim) I
deleted the onedrive folder in each c:\users\USER1\...  data. 

 

Then as if by magic all the computers appeared in the list of Network
computers.

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Frescobaldi Travails

[peter.gentry]

It may or may not be significant but today I removed onedrive from both
machines. Frescobaldi and Lilypond have behaved perfectly. 

 

This is not a scientific observation but so far it works for me.

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Success

[peter.gentry]

Today both machines are working so fingers crossed I have seen the last of
-1073741819.

 

Downloads from
http://lilypond.org/downloads/binaries/mingw/lilypond-2.19.81-1.mingw.exe>
worked.

 

My suspicion still remains something to do with file permissions/ownership
but cannot pin it down.

 

 

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The frescobaldi Issue and Cannot load the 2.19 lily development version

[peter.gentry]

I have been using a saved download of 2.19.65-1.mingw.exe  25,348 KB.

 

Installing today resulted in failure, no response from the command promt. 

 

So I went back to 2.18.2 this did work from command prompt and Frescobaldi.

 

It seems there may be something in the 2.19.65-1 file that I have saved.
Windows doesn't like but without any error code it is impossible to track it
down.  

 

I cannot load any 2.19 version from the lilypond.org web site.

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More Lily Issues

[peter.gentry]

The requested URL /lilypond/binaries/mingw/lilypond-2.19.81-1.mingw.exe was
not found on this server.

  _  

Apache/2.4.25 (Debian) Server at download.linuxaudio.org Port 80

 

Cannot load this from Lilypond.org

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Help I despair

[peter.gentry]

Today Fresco on Laptop working Fresco on Desktop produces the -1073741819
exception error. This is the opposite of yesterday.

 

Again there are NO log messages except this error.

 

Moving a compiled file from laptop to desktop and Fresco will display the
revised file and play the midi. It will NOT complie the file.

 

This is clearly a Windows issue but it is driving me potty I am spending
more time trying to sort it out than working on my scores..

 

Suggestions would be very gratefully received.

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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

[peter.gentry]

Thanks to all for your suggestions. After reinstalling Lilypond and Fresco
for the umpteenth time on the laptop all seems well.

The laptop has decided not to recognize any other machines on my ethernet
but that's another matter (you can ping then all both ways and see the
connections in NETSTAT) but hey ho this is Windows!!!

The Desktop just spontaneously cured itself!! Aren't computers wonderful.

-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup  
Sent: 07 March 2018 18:18
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
Cc: 'Phil Holmes' ; Lilypond 
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

 writes:

> Yes I get that but there were no resulting output files.

We are not talking about output files but about the messages visible in the
console window.

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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

[peter.gentry]

Yes I get that but there were no resulting output files.

-Original Message-
From: Phil Holmes  
Sent: 07 March 2018 14:33
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk; 'David Kastrup' ;
Karlin High 
Cc: Lilypond 
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

- Original Message - 
From: "Karlin High" 
To: ; "'David Kastrup'" 
Cc: "Lilypond" 
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines


> On 3/7/2018 8:08 AM, peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk wrote:
>> Faulting application path: c:\Program Files
>> (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe
>
> Does it make a difference if you use lilypond.exe,
> instead of lilypond-windows.exe?
> -- 
> Karlin High
> Missouri, USA


It should do.

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/usage/command_002dline-usage

"Note to Windows users: By default lilypond.exe outputs all progress 
information to the command window, lilypond-windows.exe does not and returns

a prompt, with no progress information, immediately at the command line. The

'-dgui' option can be used in this case to redirect output to a log file."

--
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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

[peter.gentry]

Trial on the laptop from command prompt
Lilypond-windows.exe no response
Lilypond.exe the long winded windows response "Windows has found a problem
etc etc will notify you if a solution is found" ie your on your own chum. No
detailed information

Next will try command prompt with admin priv.
-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup  
Sent: 07 March 2018 14:28
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
Cc: Lilypond 
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

> No.  Try running LilyPond in a terminal window (or see whether 
> Frescobaldi offers something like that) in order to see whether there 
> is any output accompanying the abort.

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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

[peter.gentry]

David

If there was any console output - it did work using lilypond.exe rather than
lilypond-windows.exe.

I'm afraid that the various users and folders on the two machines are
verbose and prone to finger trouble. I will pause a while and plan a series
of test rather than groping about in the dark.

-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup  
Sent: 07 March 2018 14:28
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
Cc: Lilypond 
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

 writes:

> David
>
> I have tried that in order for windows to fined Lily I had to cd to 
> the folder C:/Program Files (x86)/Lilypond/usr/bin
>
> Then run with line below
> Lilypond-windows.exe c:\users\Peter\Desktop\baseline.ly
>
> Response there was none.

That's entirely unlikely.  You probably did not run Linux from a terminal
window or there would have been at least startup messages and similar.

>  Windows Event Log Windows Logs Application Type Administrative
>
> Faulting application name: lilypond-windows.exe, version: 2.19.56.1, 
> time
> stamp: 0x000b
> Faulting module name: lilypond-windows.exe, version: 2.19.56.1, time
stamp:
> 0x000b
> Exception code: 0xc005
> Fault offset: 0x0034cac7
> Faulting process id: 0x16a8
> Faulting application start time: 0x01d3b61adeb085f4 Faulting 
> application path: c:\Program Files 
> (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe
> Faulting module path: c:\Program Files 
> (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe
> Report Id: 2ab00afd-0be4-43c8-a108-7a8994b6f818
> Faulting package full name:

Again: we need the actual terminal/console output connected with that.

> No.  Try running LilyPond in a terminal window (or see whether 
> Frescobaldi offers something like that) in order to see whether there 
> is any output accompanying the abort.

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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

[peter.gentry]

Yes it does that works

-Original Message-
From: Karlin High  
Sent: 07 March 2018 14:18
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk; 'David Kastrup' 
Cc: Lilypond 
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

On 3/7/2018 8:08 AM, peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk wrote:
> Faulting application path: c:\Program Files 
> (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe

Does it make a difference if you use lilypond.exe, instead of 
lilypond-windows.exe?
--
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Missouri, USA


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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

[peter.gentry]

David

I have tried that in order for windows to fined Lily I had to cd to the
folder 
C:/Program Files (x86)/Lilypond/usr/bin

Then run with line below
Lilypond-windows.exe c:\users\Peter\Desktop\baseline.ly

Response there was none.
 Windows Event Log Windows Logs Application Type Administrative

Faulting application name: lilypond-windows.exe, version: 2.19.56.1, time
stamp: 0x000b
Faulting module name: lilypond-windows.exe, version: 2.19.56.1, time stamp:
0x000b
Exception code: 0xc005
Fault offset: 0x0034cac7
Faulting process id: 0x16a8
Faulting application start time: 0x01d3b61adeb085f4
Faulting application path: c:\Program Files
(x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe
Faulting module path: c:\Program Files
(x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe
Report Id: 2ab00afd-0be4-43c8-a108-7a8994b6f818
Faulting package full name:

Hmm

-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup  
Sent: 07 March 2018 10:27
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
Cc: Lilypond 
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

 writes:

> This is an event log from the "STILL" faulting Laptop. Does it mean 
> anything to anyone?
>
> -  xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event;>

No.  Try running LilyPond in a terminal window (or see whether Frescobaldi
offers something like that) in order to see whether there is any output
accompanying the abort.

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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

[peter.gentry]

This is an event log from the "STILL" faulting Laptop. Does it mean anything
to anyone?

- http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event;>
- 
   
  1000 
  2 
  100 
  0x80 
   
  1238 
  Application 
  PeterLaptop 
   
  
- 
  lilypond-windows.exe 
  2.19.56.1 
  000b 
  lilypond-windows.exe 
  2.19.56.1 
  000b 
  c005 
  0034cac7 
  25d0 
  01d3b5fba96e9e39 
  C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe 
  C:\Program Files (x86)\LilyPond\usr\bin\lilypond-windows.exe 
  bdb1dcc3-84ab-401e-b2e4-ccd8034b7424 
   
   
  

-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup  
Sent: 06 March 2018 16:11
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
Cc: Lilypond 
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines


I suspect this is just because failed assertions now make LilyPond abort
with an error message and you previously ignored them (which was almost a
given since distributed binaries of LilyPond completely omitted them).

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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

[peter.gentry]

I don't believe it

First thing this morning I try Fresco again.

1. very strange behavior the Fresco short cut image appeared in the Output
pane somewhat greyed out. Weird

2. I carry on and everything works as it should.

3. I don't like mysteries but as long as its working. 

Something odd in the bowels of windows I guess but what ???

-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup  
Sent: 06 March 2018 16:11
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
Cc: Lilypond 
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

 writes:

> I have been using Frescobaldi for years but today re-running old files 
> I see the following behaviour.
>
>  
>
> The compilation proceeds for a while then halts with error 
> -1073741819. This happens on two different Windows 10 machines with 
> different OS versions. It happens when attempting to recompile old .ly
files.
>
>  
>
> Frescobaldi error messages are notoriously obscure.  I have 
> uninstalled ad re-installed Frescobaldi and rebooted to no effect.
>
>  
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to isolate this issue. I suspect it 
> may be about file permissions but that is just a suspicion.

I suspect this is just because failed assertions now make LilyPond abort
with an error message and you previously ignored them (which was almost a
given since distributed binaries of LilyPond completely omitted them).

--
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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

[peter.gentry]

David

The issue has been narrowed down to the output stage.  It's very odd no
errors in the log until output is invoked.  No more time today some quiet
work tomorrow required.

-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup  
Sent: 06 March 2018 16:11
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
Cc: Lilypond 
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

 writes:

> I have been using Frescobaldi for years but today re-running old files 
> I see the following behaviour.
>
>  
>
> The compilation proceeds for a while then halts with error 
> -1073741819. This happens on two different Windows 10 machines with 
> different OS versions. It happens when attempting to recompile old .ly
files.
>
>  
>
> Frescobaldi error messages are notoriously obscure.  I have 
> uninstalled ad re-installed Frescobaldi and rebooted to no effect.
>
>  
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to isolate this issue. I suspect it 
> may be about file permissions but that is just a suspicion.

I suspect this is just because failed assertions now make LilyPond abort
with an error message and you previously ignored them (which was almost a
given since distributed binaries of LilyPond completely omitted them).

--
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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

[peter.gentry]

Urs I agree I have tried dragging a "good"  desktop file onto the Lilypond 
short cut and nothing happens. Re-installing Lily has made things worse (the 
latest 2.19.6 version cannot be downloaded but I had a saved file.)

-Original Message-
From: Urs Liska  
Sent: 06 March 2018 14:38
To: lilypond-user@gnu.org; peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk; Lilypond 

Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines



Am 6. März 2018 15:03:28 MEZ schrieb peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk:
>I have been using Frescobaldi for years but today re-running old files 
>I see the following behaviour.
>
> 
>
>The compilation proceeds for a while then halts with error -1073741819.
>This
>happens on two different Windows 10 machines with different OS 
>versions. It happens when attempting to recompile old .ly files.
>
> 
>
>Frescobaldi error messages are notoriously obscure.  I have uninstalled 
>ad re-installed Frescobaldi and rebooted to no effect.
>
> 
>
>Does anyone have any suggestions to isolate this issue. I suspect it 
>may be about file permissions but that is just a suspicion.

I second Andrew's suspicion that it is not related to Frescobaldi at all. If 
Frescobaldi fails you would either get an error pop-up or in severe cases the 
Window might disappear.
If you can read about an error in the log window it's most likely a LilyPond 
error.

Please compile your files directly using LilyPond from the command line, then 
report what is happening.

Best
Urs

>
> 
>
>Thanks for reading this far.


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RE: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

[peter.gentry]

David

Nope I did not ignore any previous error messages. Something about Windows
10 and file permissions may be at the root. I had to run Fresco with
Administrator Privileges in the past. One possibility that may shed some
light is that I have installed Kaspersky Secure connection on both machines
just before disaster struck (just to watch football).

I have since re-installed Lily  from an old 2.19.56 installation package
followed by Fresco again. This time when I run Fresco a new popup appears
"running Lilypond this could take some time - nothing else happens.

I will try running from a command prompt but as it stands "Lilypond does not
exist" is the response.

-Original Message-
From: David Kastrup  
Sent: 06 March 2018 16:11
To: peter.gen...@sunscales.myzen.co.uk
Cc: Lilypond 
Subject: Re: Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

 writes:

> I have been using Frescobaldi for years but today re-running old files 
> I see the following behaviour.
>
>  
>
> The compilation proceeds for a while then halts with error 
> -1073741819. This happens on two different Windows 10 machines with 
> different OS versions. It happens when attempting to recompile old .ly
files.
>
>  
>
> Frescobaldi error messages are notoriously obscure.  I have 
> uninstalled ad re-installed Frescobaldi and rebooted to no effect.
>
>  
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to isolate this issue. I suspect it 
> may be about file permissions but that is just a suspicion.

I suspect this is just because failed assertions now make LilyPond abort
with an error message and you previously ignored them (which was almost a
given since distributed binaries of LilyPond completely omitted them).

--
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Frescobaldi sudden failures on all machines

[peter.gentry]

I have been using Frescobaldi for years but today re-running old files I see
the following behaviour.

 

The compilation proceeds for a while then halts with error -1073741819. This
happens on two different Windows 10 machines with different OS versions. It
happens when attempting to recompile old .ly files.

 

Frescobaldi error messages are notoriously obscure.  I have uninstalled ad
re-installed Frescobaldi and rebooted to no effect.

 

Does anyone have any suggestions to isolate this issue. I suspect it may be
about file permissions but that is just a suspicion.

 

Thanks for reading this far.

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Re Windows10

[peter.gentry]

Ben

 

You are right those files are in C:\users  not C:\windows.

 

That just shows how confused I have been getting trying to sort things out.
The need to use admin privilege is still true.

 

This isn't a Lilypond issue but if you have any other useful advice it would
be gratefully received off list if appropriate.

 

Regards Peter

 

 

 

Regards Peter

 

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Windows 10

[peter.gentry]

Hi Matthias

 

I had used Lilypond on Windows10 for a while with no problems, however
recent updates have caused quite a few different issues and permissions is a
big one.

 

My lily files were all in C:\windows\users\peter\lilypool and the lilypond
program in C:\ProgramFiles(86)\Lilypond and Frescobaldi in in
C:\ProgramFiles(86)\Frescobaldi.

 

Everything worked fine but after one fateful OS update I found to extra
folders in C:\windows\users\  , PETERDESKTOP and PETERDESKTOP.000.

 

Frescobaldi ceased to work the solution I came to was to run Frescobaldi as
Administrator (even though my account peter is an administrator) somehow
these unbidden "users" had screwed things.

 

I have been trying to get some sense out of MS for days without any luck,
other issues also abound.

 

ADVICE "Do not join the Windows Insider program - unless you have plenty of
spare time and a good working knowledge of the Windows OS methodology"

 

Regards Peter

 

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possible bug?

[peter.gentry]

Is it me ?

 

The following script when run via Frescobaldi produces correct notation but
does not introduce a new line where expected. I ran into this in a larger
score. I have racked my brains for a reason but cannot see any error in the
data.  That does not mean there isn't one I accept.

 

Can anyone spot my error or could it be an obscure bug.

 

 

\version "2.19.56"

 

\relative c''' {

\clef "treble"

\key e\major

\time 2/4

  fis16 a[dis,]  d[gis]  g[cis,] c[

  fis]a[dis,]  c[fis]  gis[d] b[

  f'] gis[d]   cis[g'] fis[c] b[

  f'] gis[d]   b[f']   fis[c] a[

  dis]fis[c]   b[f]e[ais] a[

  dis]d[gis]   g[cis]  g[cis] a

}

 

 

Thanks for looking at it.

 

I should add that it seems to relate  beams that cross bar lines in the
larger example (not include for brevity) normal service is restored after
the first bar without a beam crossing a bar line to the first note. 

 

The process that produces a new line is not actioned whilst a beam is
active.

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possible bug?

[peter.gentry]

Is it me ?

 

The following script when run via Frescobaldi produces correct notation but
does not introduce a new line where expected. I ran into this in a larger
score. I have racked my brains for a reason but cannot see any error in the
data.  That does not mean there isn't one I accept.

 

Can anyone spot my error or could it be an obscure bug.

 

 

\version "2.19.56"

 

\relative c''' {

\clef "treble"

\key e\major

\time 2/4

  fis16 a[dis,]  d[gis]  g[cis,] c[

  fis]a[dis,]  c[fis]  gis[d] b[

  f'] gis[d]   cis[g'] fis[c] b[

  f'] gis[d]   b[f']   fis[c] a[

  dis]fis[c]   b[f]e[ais] a[

  dis]d[gis]   g[cis]  g[cis] a

}

 

 

Thanks for looking at it.

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