Re: Chords and what they mean

On 21/09/15 4:44 PM, David Kastrup wrote: It's really a case of diminuishing returns. The change for x:5 is definitely affecting the logic of LilyPond, but arguably that can of worms has been opened with x:13 already. x:5 is more important, but it's also a lot more likely to be used as basic

Re: Chords and what they mean

On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 08:55:33 +0200 Blöchl Bernhard wrote: > What seems like it would be most useful for me would be to forget about > LilyPond's chord-naming translation from note sets to symbols, and just > use markup to add symbols of my choice wherever I want

Re: Chords and what they mean

Brett Duncan writes: > On 21/09/15 7:48 AM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote: >> Modifying the input syntax such that c:5 means seems ill-advised. > > I was thinking much the same, until I read something that David > Kastrup wrote: >> I think it is not an outlandish

Re: Chords and what they mean

Johan Vromans writes: > On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:00:13 +0200 > David Kastrup wrote: > >> Johan Vromans writes: >> > It is easy to instruct LilyPond that a chord of form must be >> > shown as minor (e.g., Cm), but can I do the other way

Re: Chords and what they mean

On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 11:00:13 +0200 David Kastrup wrote: > Johan Vromans writes: > > It is easy to instruct LilyPond that a chord of form must be > > shown as minor (e.g., Cm), but can I do the other way around? E.g., > > define a 'foo' so that X:foo means

Re: Chords and what they mean

On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 08:55:33 +0200 Blöchl Bernhard wrote: > If c:sus is a simple way to get C5 ... It is easy to instruct LilyPond that a chord of form must be shown as minor (e.g., Cm), but can I do the other way around? E.g., define a 'foo' so that X:foo

Re: Chords and what they mean

Johan Vromans writes: > On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 08:55:33 +0200 > Blöchl Bernhard wrote: > >> If c:sus is a simple way to get C5 ... > > It is easy to instruct LilyPond that a chord of form must be shown > as minor (e.g., Cm), but can I do the

Re: Chords and what they mean

On Mon, 21 Sep 2015, Johan Vromans wrote: > > What seems like it would be most useful for me would be to forget about > > LilyPond's chord-naming translation from note sets to symbols, and just > > use markup to add symbols of my choice wherever I want them. So that > You'll lose the ability to

Re: Chords and what they mean

Marc Hohl writes: > Am 20.09.2015 um 09:58 schrieb BB: > [...] >>> The question is more like: if you saw Csus, would you know how to >>> interpret it musically? >>> Or would you be stuck in your tracks wondering, "is this a sus2, sus4, >>> both? something else?" >> >> c:sus is

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 20.09.2015 03:30, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote: ... > I suppose that this is because some people (and Lilypond) think that > C:sus2 is equally as valid or usual interpretation of "sus", and May be I misundertand this? c:sus2 works with Lilypond and IS a valid chord

Re: Chords and what they mean

Speaking as a theorist here: while there are automatic chord analysis functions in many notation programs, in my experience, they are all not yet sufficiently aware of context (upon which a harmonic analysis is heavily dependent) and analysis style. It's quite easy to label chords as to the pure

Re: Chords and what they mean

Blöchl Bernhard writes: > I think the proper way for reaching your proposed Lilypond redesign is > to pay a developer ... Shrug. Indirectly. I'll be submitting a patch to our issue tracker today, so this change of input syntax will likely appear in a week or

Re: Chords and what they mean

Am 20.09.2015 um 09:58 schrieb BB: [...] The question is more like: if you saw Csus, would you know how to interpret it musically? Or would you be stuck in your tracks wondering, "is this a sus2, sus4, both? something else?" c:sus is working correctly getting root and 5, but indeed is an

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 20.09.2015 03:30, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote: > Just to be clear, in Hancock's piece and other jazz standards, D7sus is > not simply a 7th chord with the third omitted. As Mark Levine explained > in the "The Jazz Piano Book" (Sher Music Co. 1989), for D7sus (or simply > "Dsus" as it

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 21/09/15 7:48 AM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote: > Well, in his explanation of sus chords, Levine indicates that that > he does not interpret "sus" to be exactly synonymous with "sus4". At > one point, he wrote "A persistent myth about sus chords is that 'the > fouth takes the place of the

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 21/09/15 7:48 AM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote: Modifying the input syntax such that c:5 means seems ill-advised. I was thinking much the same, until I read something that David Kastrup wrote: I think it is not an outlandish expectation, once you see how a:maj and a:dim and a:min work,

Re: Chords and what they mean

Hi Brett, > This does raise the question of other "naive" constructions. I have seen on > some contemporary music charts notations like C2 and C4, which apparently > meant Cadd2 and Cadd4 respectively (except in one case, where Cadd4 did not > sound right, and only after hearing a recording

Re: Chords and what they mean

Noeck writes: > Hi LilyPond experts, > > this is a basic question that I have when I read this thread: > How are chords stored and translated internally? > > From using LP, I know I can write in chordmode and in musicmode and I > can get notes and chordnames: > \chordmode

Re: Chords and what they mean

David Kastrup writes: > Noeck writes: > > The reason is that there are additional properties on the individual > notes in the chord expression recording some of their functional > relation to the \chordmode entry. Try \displayMusic \music to see them. > >>

Re: Chords and what they mean

David Kastrup writes: > Marc Hohl writes: > >> Am 20.09.2015 um 09:58 schrieb BB: >> [...] The question is more like: if you saw Csus, would you know how to interpret it musically? Or would you be stuck in your tracks wondering, "is this a sus2,

Re: Chords and what they mean

On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:02:06 +0200 David Kastrup wrote: > > On paper, we all write Am to designate an A-minor chord. However, in > > LilyPond we write a:min. > Probably because it is usually written as a:m instead. "m" and "min" > are aliases. True, although that was not what I

Re: Chords and what they mean

Have fun with testing! \version "2.19.25" #(set-global-staff-size 30) chordtest = \chordmode { c:sus %power chord Lilypond calls it wrong as C c:sus3 % power chord Lilypond calls it correctly as C c:sus5 %power chord Lilypond calls it wrong as C c:1.4.5 % equal to: c:sus4 c:1.5.2 % equal

Re: Chords and what they mean

Hi LilyPond experts, this is a basic question that I have when I read this thread: How are chords stored and translated internally? >From using LP, I know I can write in chordmode and in musicmode and I can get notes and chordnames: \chordmode -> \new Staff \chordmode -> \new ChordNames { }

Re: Chords and what they mean

Johan Vromans writes: > On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 23:52:14 +0200 > 70147pers...@telia.com wrote: > >> You are certainly completely right. The transformation is quite simple, >> so a script in perl or awk or any similar program can easily solve the >> task. But can you use it in

Re: Chords and what they mean

2015-09-20 14:14 GMT+02:00 BB : > I absolutely agree! I did not understand as I read that Lilypond now > supports misbehavour of some lazy people with reduced harmonic skills. > > There are a bunch of "coloured" sus chords, not just sus4 for every sus > sign. No idea

Re: Chords and what they mean

On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 23:52:14 +0200 70147pers...@telia.com wrote: > You are certainly completely right. The transformation is quite simple, > so a script in perl or awk or any similar program can easily solve the > task. But can you use it in an integrated environment, like >

Re: Chords and what they mean

Johan Vromans writes: > On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 14:02:06 +0200 > David Kastrup wrote: > >> > On paper, we all write Am to designate an A-minor chord. However, in >> > LilyPond we write a:min. > >> Probably because it is usually written as a:m instead. "m" and

Re: Chords and what they mean

2015-09-20 14:38 GMT+02:00 BB : > Have fun with testing! > > \version "2.19.25" > > #(set-global-staff-size 30) > > chordtest = \chordmode { > > c:sus %power chord Lilypond calls it wrong as C > > c:sus3 % power chord Lilypond calls it correctly as C > > c:sus5 %power

Re: Chords and what they mean

David Kastrup writes: >> David announced an own patch. I'm quite confident he will do better >> work than me. > > Depends on what one wants to call "better". The code may be marginally > nicer. Phooey. The actual code might be marginally nicer or not, but the main work was

Re: Chords and what they mean

I absolutely agree! I did not understand as I read that Lilypond now supports misbehavour of some lazy people with reduced harmonic skills. There are a bunch of "coloured" sus chords, not just sus4 for every sus sign. On 20.09.2015 13:38, Johan Vromans wrote: So what is the big deal to

Re: Chords and what they mean

Thomas Morley writes: > 2015-09-20 14:14 GMT+02:00 BB : >> I absolutely agree! I did not understand as I read that Lilypond now >> supports misbehavour of some lazy people with reduced harmonic skills. >> >> There are a bunch of "coloured"

Re: Chords and what they mean

> On Sep 20, 2015, at 2:58 AM, BB wrote: > > On 20.09.2015 03:30, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote: >> ... >> >> > I suppose that this is because some people (and Lilypond) think that >> > C:sus2 is equally as valid or usual interpretation of "sus", and >> >> May

Re: Chords and what they mean

Thank you for the pointer to the two programs I never have heard of before. Off Topic but very interesting. As you mentioned Rameau I will add, that the idea of "chord inversion" goes back to Lippius from Leipzig in Germany "trias harmonica" from 1609 and is not original to Rameau as often

Re: Chords and what they mean

Flaming Hakama by Elaine writes: > Mixing responses from several posters here... > > > > FWIW, my two cents on the design questions: > > Modifying the input syntax such that c:5 means seems ill-advised. > > That would be inconsistent with the rest of the input syntax,

Re: Chords and what they mean

Am 20.09.2015 um 11:10 schrieb David Kastrup: [...] Interpreting c:sus as root and 5 feels strange IMHO. The rule I am using in my current patch (just writing up the documentation) is that c:sus will add a 4 if no step 2 or step 4 is added afterwards (step 2 can be 2+ or 2- as well as just

Re: Re: Chords and what they mean

I think the proper way for reaching your proposed Lilypond redesign is to pay a developer ... Am 19.09.2015 23:52, schrieb 70147pers...@telia.com: On 2015-09-19 13:52, Johan Vromans wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:05:12 +0200 70147pers...@telia.com wrote: This should, by means of a

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 20/09/15 11:30 AM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote: > Just to be clear, in Hancock's piece and other jazz standards, D7sus is > not simply a 7th chord with the third omitted. As Mark Levine explained > in the "The Jazz Piano Book" (Sher Music Co. 1989), for D7sus (or simply > "Dsus" as it

Re: Re: Chords and what they mean

On 2015-09-19 13:52, Johan Vromans wrote: On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:05:12 +0200 70147pers...@telia.com wrote: This should, by means of a translation table, take my input and translate it into LP code. So when I write c:sus this will be changed to e.g. c:sus4 (or perhaps c:1.4.5) before it is

Re: Re: Chords and what they mean

On 2015-09-19 05:06, Brett Duncan wrote: On 19/09/15 8:49 AM, Kaj Persson wrote: As you wrote Csus ought to mean that the first third is removed, and nothing else. Among professional musicians, which I am not, but I have friends who are, this is not the whole truth, there exists a de facto

Re: Chords and what they mean

On Sat, 19 Sep 2015 01:05:12 +0200 70147pers...@telia.com wrote: > This should, by means of a translation table, take my input and > translate it into LP code. So when I write c:sus this will be changed to > e.g. c:sus4 (or perhaps c:1.4.5) before it is dealt with by LP, and when > I write c:5

Re: Chords and what they mean

A bit OT: For anybody having doubts if sus chords are of any use, I found a nice example in jazz. In Herbie Hancock’s jazz piece Maiden Voyage one can recognize examples of sus chords covering D7sus, F7sus, Eb7sus, and F#7sus (C#-13). Lilipond unhappily omits the sus in this combinations.

Re: Chords and what they mean

Thank you for the interesting analysis and the links. With the flats and sharps instead of "-es" and "-is" in your code, it is a bit strange. The m7b5 chord (your example) in the jazz slang usually/often is called "half diminished" an uses the slashed 0 "ø" symbolically "halving" the 0.I do

Re: Chords and what they mean

There was a long thread "Lilypond and Jazz chords" in 2009 https://www.mail-archive.com/lilypond-user@gnu.org/msg48254.html I have not read it completely, but may be one might find it interesting? I think one might find many repetitions and may be some additional aspects?

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 19/09/15 7:52 PM, Blöchl Bernhard wrote: A bit OT: For anybody having doubts if sus chords are of any use, I found a nice example in jazz. In Herbie Hancock’s jazz piece Maiden Voyage one can recognize examples of sus chords covering D7sus, F7sus, Eb7sus, and F#7sus (C#-13). Lilipond

Re: Chords and what they mean

For sure Hancock is giving the sus some specific "colour". I just listend Maiden Voyage and I am sure he always play a powerchord root doubled and a 5 with his left hand, not a complete triad. Nothing strange for modal jazz. And a 7sus chord with the right hand. Not shure, but it sounds like

Re: Chords and what they mean

Am 18.09.2015 04:10, schrieb msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca: On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Blöchl Bernhard wrote: I would call (always depending on the context) Cmadd4, F7sus2/C, D#6no5add2/C. Always consider the harmonic context!!! What exactly does the "harmonic context" mean? What would be specific

Re: Chords and what they mean

Am Freitag, den 18. September 2015 um 08:05:03 Uhr (+0200) schrieb Blöchl Bernhard: > If one "colours" that up you get the bright colourful variety of > skilled music that began with the development of orchestral events outside > the churches and cathedrals and in the brothels of New Orleans.

Re: Chords and what they mean

The most important thing to understand about the way Lilypond does chords, is that there are three completely different parts. 1) Input syntax 2) Note sets 3) Chord symbols 1) Input syntax To ask why writing "Csus" does not produce "Csus"? Is to ask the wrong question. Because the Input

Re: Chords and what they mean

2015-09-19 1:39 GMT+02:00 Thomas Morley : > 2015-09-19 1:05 GMT+02:00 <70147pers...@telia.com>: >> On 2015-09-19 00:13, David Kastrup wrote: >>> >>> Noeck writes: >>> Having different *input* syntax for different people according to their

Re: Chords and what they mean

Sorry - I forgot the M! So once again: I love all LP users and I do not want to be unpolite - but R-T-F-M Am 18.09.2015 21:20, schrieb Blöchl Bernhard: Am 18.09.2015 19:53, schrieb 70147pers...@telia.com: ... Csus means it would be fine, if I could define this

Re: Chords and what they mean

Sorry, I am heavily confused and severely irritated. Csus4 or c:1.4.5 DOES deliver , say Lilypod is meaning for c:1.4.5 and csus. Here my example again: \version "2.19.25" theMusic = \chordmode { c:1.4.5 c:sus4 } << \context ChordNames \theMusic \context Voice \theMusic So, please

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 19 September 2015 at 07:30, David Kastrup wrote: > > We have an exception for c:13 already (it leaves off the 11). It would be great if that actually displayed C13. When a 13th is the most complicated chord you’re using, you have to trawl the docs and do a whole lot of

Re: Chords and what they mean

2015-09-19 1:05 GMT+02:00 <70147pers...@telia.com>: > On 2015-09-19 00:13, David Kastrup wrote: >> >> Noeck writes: >> >>> Having different *input* syntax for different people according to their >>> taste is more complicated and it's doubtable that this is a good aim for

Re: Chords and what they mean

I am just getting off but read your actual posting and your different interpretation. For me it is logic to understand, that c:sus will suspend the 3. What should happen with a chord without a 3? A powerchord. Usually one would define a substitute for 3, that is not the case with c:sus. Why

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 2015-09-18 3:20 PM, Blöchl Bernhard wrote: Am 18.09.2015 19:53, schrieb 70147pers...@telia.com: ... Csus means it would be fine, if I could define this once, and then use my definition(s) when entering the music, instead of, like today, having to enter Csus4 or c:1.4.5, Do you use a

Re: Chords and what they mean

Hi all! This thread has evolved in a very interesting direction, and although the discussion is often, I have to admit, much over my head, as being a, however interested, but none the less, musical amateur. I will not break this discussion, so I step into the thread via a side path. Now I

Re: Chords and what they mean

2015-09-18 21:20 GMT+02:00 Blöchl Bernhard : > > > > > > Am 18.09.2015 19:53, schrieb 70147pers...@telia.com: >> >> ... >> >> Csus means it would be fine, if I >> could define this once, and then use my definition(s) when entering >> the music, instead of, like

Re: Chords and what they mean

Hi Blöchl (et al.), I agree that it would be interesting to know whether/how one can redefine the input such that (e.g.) c:5 gives (or or whatever one wants) rather than (current implementation). However, modulo a language/communication barrier, I’d like to answer your other impliciit

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 19/09/15 8:49 AM, Kaj Persson wrote: As you wrote Csus ought to mean that the first third is removed, and nothing else. Among professional musicians, which I am not, but I have friends who are, this is not the whole truth, there exists a de facto standard which does not exactly coincide

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 2015-09-19 00:13, David Kastrup wrote: Noeck writes: Having different *input* syntax for different people according to their taste is more complicated and it's doubtable that this is a good aim for LilyPond. Exchanging code gets more complicated and small snippets are

Re: Chords and what they mean

Noeck writes: > Having different *input* syntax for different people according to their > taste is more complicated and it's doubtable that this is a good aim for > LilyPond. Exchanging code gets more complicated and small snippets are > not necessarily self-consistent. You

Re: Re: Chords and what they mean

On 2015-09-18 21:39, Thomas Morley wrote: 2015-09-18 21:20 GMT+02:00 Blöchl Bernhard : Am 18.09.2015 19:53, schrieb 70147pers...@telia.com: ... Csus means it would be fine, if I could define this once, and then use my definition(s) when entering the

Re: Chords and what they mean

Hi Kaj, Kieren, Am 18.09.2015 um 22:47 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: >> The question why c:5 only just gets a "normal" c chord instead of a power >> chord > It’s a good question. > Certainly, composers (like me) who work in musical theatre write C5 to mean > … so it would be nice to enter the same

Re: Chords and what they mean

I just was rereading your post as Charm (in a later post) recommended. If I interpret you correctly, you would like a personal chord library yourself? A library you can maintain/care yourself? Good idea! Harm was sending me a piece of code for arabic scales (many thanks!!! Great! Works

Re: Chords and what they mean

Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi Blöchl (et al.), > > I agree that it would be interesting to know whether/how one can > redefine the input such that (e.g.) c:5 gives (or or > whatever one wants) rather than (current implementation). > > However, modulo a

Re: Chords and what they mean

On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, Blöchl Bernhard wrote: > I tried to make clear that there is not just a single correct name for a > chord. That is only true for the simplest chords of our simple original folk When someone enters a set of notes and asks LilyPond to print the chord name, there's such a thing

Re: Chords and what they mean

On Fri, 18 Sep 2015, BB wrote: > Can you really feed some notes to Lilypond and it tells you the name of the > chord? A kind of reverse chord finder? I have not found in the manual. I thought that was the point under discussion. It's in the manual here:

Re: Chords and what they mean

Hi Matthew, >> Can you really feed some notes to Lilypond and it tells you the name of the >> chord? A kind of reverse chord finder? I have not found in the manual. > > I thought that was the point under discussion. It's in the manual here: > >

Re: Chords and what they mean

Am 18.09.2015 um 15:52 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: > Hi Urs, > >>> What's with ? It is Em#5 or C/E >> While we're at being picky, that would have to be Em with a flattened 6 … > While _technically_ correct, you’d definitely want to write Em#5 for any > musical theatre performers/MDs, or most of

Re: Chords and what they mean

Hi Urs, > Perfect example of "context”. Exactly! > I, as a classical musician, will get confused if presented with namings > that don't follow the harmonic content (given the historical style of > the music). > That would be the same for Em-6 (or however you'd spell it out) as bis>. Yes. In

Re: Chords and what they mean

Hi Urs, >> What's with ? It is Em#5 or C/E > While we're at being picky, that would have to be Em with a flattened 6 … While _technically_ correct, you’d definitely want to write Em#5 for any musical theatre performers/MDs, or most of the jazzers I know. And changing it to B# isn’t

Re: Chords and what they mean

Can you really feed some notes to Lilypond and it tells you the name of the chord? A kind of reverse chord finder? I have not found in the manual. Is'nt the composer the person to define the desired sound in defining notes and chord colours? Again: There is not just one single name for an

Re: Chords and what they mean

Am 18.09.2015 um 15:39 schrieb BB: > What's with ? It is Em#5 or C/E While we're at being picky, that would have to be Em with a flattened 6 ... ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org

Re: Chords and what they mean

Hi all, On Sep 17, 2015, at 10:10 PM, msk...@ansuz.sooke.bc.ca wrote: > If we are hoping to teach a computer program, i.e. LilyPond, to assign > correct names to chords, then we have to really say what the > considerations are that lead one name to be correct over another. I don’t think anyone

Re: Chords and what they mean

Does Medivial and Renaissance music, Dufay, Ockeghem or Josquin really use chords in their sheets? The subject of that thread is "Chords and what they mean". On 18.09.2015 08:41, Orm Finnendahl wrote: Am Freitag, den 18. September 2015 um 08:05:03 Uhr (+0200) schrieb Blöchl Bernhar

Re: Chords and what they mean

Am 18.09.2015 19:53, schrieb 70147pers...@telia.com: ... Csus means it would be fine, if I could define this once, and then use my definition(s) when entering the music, instead of, like today, having to enter Csus4 or c:1.4.5, Do you use a different program? I checked c:1.4.5 and get

Re: Chords and what they mean

Am 18.09.2015 um 17:06 schrieb Kieren MacMillan: > Hi Urs, > >> Perfect example of "context”. > Exactly! > >> I, as a classical musician, will get confused if presented with namings >> that don't follow the harmonic content (given the historical style of >> the music). >> That would be the same

Re: Chords and what they mean

Hi Urs, > the question of "simpler" is a question of context (i.e. background on the > reader's part). Agreed. “Simpler” is also a question of practicality: for most pianists I know or have worked with, Bb7/D is significantly easier to parse at sight than A#7/Cx, regardless of what comes

Chords and what they mean

First I will declare, that I am not 100 percent sure this is a bug, but friends of mine, musicians, say it probably is. Also, as I am not an expert, I have tried to learn by searching on among others Wikipedia. It is about chords, a few of them. It started when I should clean write a score

Re: Chords and what they mean

May be I misunderstood ... c:5 does not have a 3rd and is therefore indifferent - not minor not major and therefore is not really a chord. ( i know it with the nick name "hollow fifths") It is not equal to the c chord but has a special quality with a "hollow" or crypt sound. It is frequently

Re: Chords and what they mean

A bug? \version "2.18.0" harmonies = \chordmode { \set chordNameExceptions = #(append powerChordExceptions ignatzekExceptions) c:1.5 c^3 c c^3 } << \new ChordNames { \set chordChanges = ##t \harmonies } \new Staff { \relative c' { \harmonies } \break } >> On 17.09.2015

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 17.09.2015 13:30, lilyp...@andis59.se wrote: On 2015-09-17 13:14, Brett Duncan wrote: @Kaj, Lilypond's format for /inputting/ chords is described at http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/chord-mode/ and I would suggest reading through this carefully to get a clearer

Re: Chords and what they mean

Den 2015-09-17 11:33, skrev Thomas Morley: 2015-09-17 11:13 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup : Thomas Morley writes: 2015-09-17 10:47 GMT+02:00 Simon Albrecht : Hello Kaj, On 17.09.2015 09:27, 70147pers...@telia.com wrote: First I

Re: Chords and what they mean

Thomas Morley writes: > 2015-09-17 10:47 GMT+02:00 Simon Albrecht : >> Hello Kaj, >> >> On 17.09.2015 09:27, 70147pers...@telia.com wrote: >>> >>> First I will declare, that I am not 100 percent sure this is a bug, but >>> friends of mine,

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 2015-09-17 13:14, Brett Duncan wrote: @Kaj, Lilypond's format for /inputting/ chords is described at http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/chord-mode/ and I would suggest reading through this carefully to get a clearer understanding of the results you are seeing,

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 17/09/15 7:56 PM, BB wrote: A bug? My reading of the OP is that Kaj is expecting LP's chordmode to be equivalent to the chord notations that he is used to seeing, which it is not. @Kaj, Lilypond's format for /inputting/ chords is described at

Re: Chords and what they mean

Hello Kaj, On 17.09.2015 09:27, 70147pers...@telia.com wrote: First I will declare, that I am not 100 percent sure this is a bug, but friends of mine, musicians, say it probably is. Also, as I am not an expert, I have tried to learn by searching on among others Wikipedia. It is about chords,

Re: Chords and what they mean

2015-09-17 10:47 GMT+02:00 Simon Albrecht : > Hello Kaj, > > On 17.09.2015 09:27, 70147pers...@telia.com wrote: >> >> First I will declare, that I am not 100 percent sure this is a bug, but >> friends of mine, musicians, say it probably is. Also, as I am not an expert, >> I

Re: Chords and what they mean

\version "2.18.0" chExceptionMusic = { %1-\markup { \super "5" } %1-\markup { \super "5" } %1-\markup { "5" } 1-\markup { "5" } } chExceptions = #(append (sequential-music-to-chord-exceptions chExceptionMusic #t) ignatzekExceptions) harmonies = \chordmode { \set chordNameExceptions =

Re: Chords and what they mean

2015-09-17 11:13 GMT+02:00 David Kastrup : > Thomas Morley writes: > >> 2015-09-17 10:47 GMT+02:00 Simon Albrecht : >>> Hello Kaj, >>> >>> On 17.09.2015 09:27, 70147pers...@telia.com wrote: First I will declare, that I am

Re: Chords and what they mean

Thomas Morley writes: > 2015-09-17 10:47 GMT+02:00 Simon Albrecht : >> Hello Kaj, >> >> On 17.09.2015 09:27, 70147pers...@telia.com wrote: >>> >>> First I will declare, that I am not 100 percent sure this is a bug, but >>> friends of mine,

Re: Chords and what they mean

On 17/09/15 9:40 PM, Simon Albrecht wrote: On 17.09.2015 13:30, lilyp...@andis59.se wrote: On 2015-09-17 13:14, Brett Duncan wrote: @Kaj, Lilypond's format for /inputting/ chords is described at �http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/chord-mode/ and I would suggest reading

Re: Re: Chords and what they mean

Well, time to thank you all for your efforts to get me understand what I am doing. As (almost) usual there already exists a solution in LilyPond, but it is hidden by so much else, so you do not find it. In my country we sometimes say that "you do not see the forest because of all the trees"

Re: Re: Chords and what they mean

On 2015-09-17 13:40, Simon Albrecht wrote: On 17.09.2015 13:30, lilyp...@andis59.se wrote: On 2015-09-17 13:14, Brett Duncan wrote: @Kaj, Lilypond's format for /inputting/ chords is described at http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/notation/chord-mode/ and I would suggest reading

Re: Chords and what they mean

Hi, why is the number 5 larger than other numbers? Does Csus4 3 make sense? \version "2.19.21" x = \chordmode { \powerChords c1:1.5 c1:1.4 c1:4.5 } << \new ChordNames \x \new Staff \x >> Cheers, Joram ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: Chords and what they mean

Am 17.09.2015 um 20:17 schrieb Noeck: Hi, why is the number 5 larger than other numbers? \powerChords from ly/chord-modifiers-init.ly uses \normal-size-super instead of \super but I’ve no idea why. Does Csus4 3 make sense? I’ve seen that once in Cm^sus4 for but it doesn’t make sense

Re: Chords and what they mean

If it makes sense in my opinion only just depends on the harmonic context and on your musical purpose. Other "names" for Csus4 3 (c e f g) are Cadd4 (4 is the g in this case), Em#5addF/C (#5 here is c, f is added and c is the bass note), Fmaj7 would be f a c e, but Fmaj7sus2/C is c e f g

Re: Chords and what they mean

With Cm^sus4 for I have some problems. 4 of cm is f - is it? But it is not suspended but f is added for the suspended f? Does that make sense? I would call (always depending on the context) Cmadd4, F7sus2/C, D#6no5add2/C. But C^sus4♭3 is not necessarily wrong (in my oppinion), as 3

Re: Chords and what they mean

Sorry. got something wrong. Here a correction: ... f is added for the suspended es? es = 3, sus4 means suspend 3 = es and set f instead ... 3 of cm is es. Am 17.09.2015 23:06, schrieb Blöchl Bernhard: With Cm^sus4 for I have some problems. 4 of cm is f - is it? But it is not suspended but

Re: Chords and what they mean

On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Blöchl Bernhard wrote: > I would call (always depending on the context) Cmadd4, F7sus2/C, > D#6no5add2/C. > Always consider the harmonic context!!! What exactly does the "harmonic context" mean? What would be specific examples of contexts where it could make sense to call

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