Subject: Re: New LilyPond website
If I have a patch for an update of the css for the existing site, where can I
submit it?
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If I have a patch for an update of the css for the existing site, where can
I submit it?
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Freelance Developer and Simulation Artist
Boston MA, USA
http://jmroper.com/
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On 02/22/2017 02:14 PM, Graham Percival wrote:
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:23:06AM -0500, Paul wrote:
What if we separated the design and implementation steps? First, come up
with a design that just uses css and simple html (nothing fancy, no library
dependencies, etc.), one that offers
On Mon, Feb 20, 2017 at 12:23:06AM -0500, Paul wrote:
> What if we separated the design and implementation steps? First, come up
> with a design that just uses css and simple html (nothing fancy, no library
> dependencies, etc.), one that offers responsive design for smaller screens,
> etc.
Forgot the Haunt static site generator link:
https://haunt.dthompson.us/
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On 02/14/2017 01:50 AM, Graham Percival wrote:
If we switched from texinfo to a different static website generator,
I suspect it would be pelican, gitbook, or hugo -- existing
projects with thousands of users and a thriving developer
community.
Haunt is also interesting, from a minimizing
Il giorno mar 14 feb 2017 alle 7:50, Graham Percival
ha scritto:
I would be very surprised if LilyPond ever switched to Blended --
that would be increasing our technical debt, not reducing it. If
we switched from texinfo to a different static website generator,
I
On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 05:04:07PM +0100, Federico Bruni wrote:
> Il giorno gio 9 feb 2017 alle 0:11, John Roper ha
> scritto:
> >Ok, you can see the most current version of my design on
> >http://jmroper.com/lilypond
> >
> >I am keeping the source for the website in
>
Il giorno gio 9 feb 2017 alle 0:11, John Roper
ha scritto:
Ok, you can see the most current version of my design on
http://jmroper.com/lilypond
I am keeping the source for the website in
https://github.com/johnroper100/LilyPond-Web-Redesign
Hi John
Before adding
John Roper writes:
> For this to work can someone tell me if it is possible to embed
> lilybin? If not I am not going to bother to try.
Maybe crosscheck with the lilybin site owner? I seem to vaguely
remember that we don't link to it from the current LilyPond page
Hi John
I think that, as long as lilypond runs on lilybin server, embedding lilybin is
ok.Il 13 feb 2017 01:39 John Roper ha scritto:
>
> For this to work can someone tell me if it is possible to embed lilybin? If
> not I am not going to bother to try.
>
> On Sun, Feb
For this to work can someone tell me if it is possible to embed lilybin? If
not I am not going to bother to try.
On Sun, Feb 12, 2017 at 7:31 PM, Simon Albrecht
wrote:
> On 13.02.2017 00:52, John Roper wrote:
>
>> I am redesigning with a serif font and a lilybin
On 13.02.2017 00:52, John Roper wrote:
I am redesigning with a serif font and a lilybin integration.
I marvel at your persistence and interest.
Thanks a lot!
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I am redesigning with a serif font and a lilybin integration.
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On Feb 10, 2017 7:54 AM, "Johan Vromans" wrote:
On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:51:05 +0100, Michael Gerdau wrote:
> The
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On Fri, 10 Feb 2017 10:51:05 +0100, Michael Gerdau wrote:
> The new page is about 1.3 MB while the original one is about 170 kB
> Factor of 7.x
This is due to CSS/JS overhead and happens only once.
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> in total. After enabling scripts this problem vanishes.
>
> In Vivaldi I don't see the background image at the top of the page
> at all.
>
>
> I test using all major browsers including Vivaldi (my main browser) and
> I am not getting any of these issues.
Hmm. What is that to
On Thu, 9 Feb 2017 14:32:18 -0800, "H. S. Teoh"
wrote:
> I don't speak for anyone else, but I'm perfectly OK with using
> Javascript -- as long as it's not *required* for the website to be
> usable at all.
And all necessary javascript is loaded from the site itself, not
+ 1 to include lilybin not just a link but include the ability to try
lilypond directly from the browser without having to open another window.
Like the Haskell or like the ruby lang website (
https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/ see the link on the right "Try Ruby") .
2 user stories
1. a ) as a
>
> in total. After enabling scripts this problem vanishes.
>
> In Vivaldi I don't see the background image at the top of the page at all.
>
I test using all major browsers including Vivaldi (my main browser) and I
am not getting any of these issues.
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> Ok, I changed the image to something that made more sense. What do you
> guys think about everything else?
I've looked at it with current versions of Firefox and Vivaldi:
On Firefox without allowing scripts all the boxes "Download 2.18.2",
"Release Notes" at the top are partly overlapping and
On 09.02.2017 23:50, u...@openlilylib.org wrote:
Urs
Best
user that and why for this page to be viewed JavaScript has to be
switched on.
requires JavaScript but has a decent option, telling the
What I can imagine would work well is that a given "Try it out" page
for the website to work
On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 05:34:38PM -0500, John Roper wrote:
>Sadly the community does not want JavaScript to be used because
>most of the users don't like using it. I had that idea already but
>did not bring it up. I would love to though.
>
>On Feb 9, 2017 5:12 PM, "Bernardo
On 09/02/2017 17:34, John Roper wrote:
> Sadly the community does not want JavaScript to be used because most
> of the users don't like using it. I had that idea already but did
> not bring it up. I would love to though.
I think as long as the website has a fallback option without js, and js
Sadly the community does not want JavaScript to be used because most of the
users don't like using it. I had that idea already but did not bring it up.
I would love to though.
On Feb 9, 2017 5:12 PM, "Bernardo Barros" wrote:
> lilybin.com could be included into the
lilybin.com could be included into the official website as part of its
new design. Something like "Try it - Type Haskell expressions in here"
in Haskell website https://www.haskell.org/
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First, I want to thank John for his contribution. The new design looks more
modern and gives a feeling that lilypond's community is alive.
I deal with UI at work on a daily basis and no two persons will agree on
the look and feel of a website of application. So IMHO we should focus on
making sure
On 09.02.2017 08:35, Mats Behre wrote:
On 2017-02-09 07:41, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
. I like the sans-serif font more that you've used in the previous
version. Please restore it.
I would actually recommend not specifying a specific font at all. This
leaves the font selection to the user (and
On 09.02.2017 14:52, David Kastrup wrote:
John Roper writes:
The standard human does not want to
read that much text.
Which makes the standard human unsuitable for working with LilyPond
Taking everything literally is not going to help communication, David.
The
On 2017-02-09 07:41, Werner LEMBERG wrote:
. I like the sans-serif font more that you've used in the previous
version. Please restore it.
I would actually recommend not specifying a specific font at all. This leaves
the font selection to the user (and we will not have to debate the choice
I just pushed a new version of Blended which allows you to get other (HTML)
file contents as variables.
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>
> It's also worth noting that only part of a website's job is to garner
> initial interest (and it requires referals to be found in the first
> place). Another is as a portal for people who already know what
> LilyPond is and want to get work done.
I belive that my design does both. The
John Roper writes:
> I changed the header size to be smaller. As for the overall design, again,
> the front page of the website is supposed to make the user want to take a
> look at it. A design such as this does that while a page full of serif text
> and two images does
Am 2017-02-09 13:43, schrieb John Roper:
> I changed the header size to be smaller. As for the overall design,
> again, the front page of the website is supposed to make the user want
> to take a look at it. A design such as this does that while a page full
> of serif text and two images does
I changed the header size to be smaller. As for the overall design, again,
the front page of the website is supposed to make the user want to take a
look at it. A design such as this does that while a page full of serif text
and two images does not.
As for the separation of templates and content,
On Thu, 09 Feb 2017 09:44:58 +0100 (CET), Werner LEMBERG wrote:
> What I want is the explicit command line that I
> have to call to convert the input data in the git repository to the
> output html, where to expect the output files, etc., so that I can
> actually try to generate
>>> Just for the record: With Firefox on Linux there's *no* problem.
>>
>>Indeed, sigh. This is one of the reasons I don't like working with
>>HTML. Hopefully Blended can be improved to completely hide such
>>issues for Joe User.
>
> I assume this doesn't have anything to do with Blender (or
Am 09.02.2017 um 09:44 schrieb Werner LEMBERG:
>>> . At the top, I get something like the attached image (using
>>> Chrome), regardless of the magnification. This looks bad. Isn't
>>> it possible to have the button size changed dynamically?
>> Just for the record: With Firefox on Linux
>> . At the top, I get something like the attached image (using
>> Chrome), regardless of the magnification. This looks bad. Isn't
>> it possible to have the button size changed dynamically?
>
> Just for the record: With Firefox on Linux there's *no* problem.
Indeed, sigh. This is one of
Hi John,
Am 09.02.2017 um 07:41 schrieb Werner LEMBERG:
>> Ok, you can see the most current version of my design on
>> http://jmroper.com/lilypond
Thanks for putting this up, it's very helpful to have it that way.
Of course you will probably get 20 different opinions from 15 users and
> Ok, you can see the most current version of my design on
> http://jmroper.com/lilypond
Thanks. First, some comments regarding the layout.
. I like the sans-serif font more that you've used in the previous
version. Please restore it.
. At the top, I get something like the attached image
The opening page is over 50% header vertically. The rest of the pages seem
decently proportioned. The 1px grey lines around the music examples might
be nicer not present at all.
Did I ever mention how much sans serif in block text is irritating. Yes I
was going to make a suggestion for a nice
Ok, I changed the image to something that made more sense. What do you guys
think about everything else?
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David Kastrup writes:
> John Roper writes:
>
>>>
>>> >> John, can you set up
>>> >>
>>> >> http://jmroper.com/lilypond/
>>> >>
>>> >> with `blended' together with a README so that we can inspect the
>>> >> source code, CSS, etc., and the necessary steps
On 09.02.2017 00:11, John Roper wrote:
Ok, you can see the most current version of my design on
http://jmroper.com/lilypond
Of course there would be much to do on the details (e.g. I also don’t
much fancy the title image with the violinist), but since this is about
the design, I’ve got to
John Roper writes:
>>
>> >> John, can you set up
>> >>
>> >> http://jmroper.com/lilypond/
>> >>
>> >> with `blended' together with a README so that we can inspect the
>> >> source code, CSS, etc., and the necessary steps to create it? I
>> >> think only a direct
>
> >> John, can you set up
> >>
> >> http://jmroper.com/lilypond/
> >>
> >> with `blended' together with a README so that we can inspect the
> >> source code, CSS, etc., and the necessary steps to create it? I
> >> think only a direct comparison can answer our questions.
>
Ok, you can see the
>> John, can you set up
>>
>> http://jmroper.com/lilypond/
>>
>> with `blended' together with a README so that we can inspect the
>> source code, CSS, etc., and the necessary steps to create it? I
>> think only a direct comparison can answer our questions.
>
> Yes I can. I also have a Github
>
> John, can you set up
>
> http://jmroper.com/lilypond/
>
> with `blended' together with a README so that we can inspect the
> source code, CSS, etc., and the necessary steps to create it? I think
> only a direct comparison can answer our questions.
>
Yes I can. I also have a Github
>> OK, I was asking because I have written a static command line HTML
>> site generator that builds from HTML, Markdown, reStruturedText,
>> Textile, Plain Text (.txt), and Microsoft Word (.docx).
>>
>> http://jmroper.com/blended
>
> I am not convinced that that changing our HTML generation is
On Fri, Feb 03, 2017 at 05:31:20AM -0500, John Roper wrote:
> OK, I was asking because I have written a static command line HTML site
> generator that builds from HTML, Markdown, reStruturedText, Textile, Plain
> Text (.txt), and Microsoft Word (.docx).
>
> http://jmroper.com/blended
I am not
Bernardo Barros writes:
> https://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2016/fall/so-heres-the-thing-free-software-isnt-cool
Well, the GPL is about staying in control. Of course that isn't cool
compared to the hippies lacing Apples with BSD as if there was no
tomorrow.
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Ok, since I am not apparently getting _any_ answers but just unrelated
buzzphrases pasted to the top of the quoted communication time and
again, I will briefly point out first how we communicate on this list.
One quotes the _pertinent_ part of the documentation first, then adds
one's answers
I wrote the Blended system to fit all of the requirements for redesigning
the website (not documentation) for LilyPond. A nice side effect was that I
can use it for other things.
On Feb 4, 2017 5:59 PM, "David Kastrup" wrote:
> John Roper writes:
>
> >> On
John Roper writes:
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:46 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
>>
>>> John Roper writes:
>>>
>>> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:16 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Urs Liska
Urs Liska writes:
> Am 04.02.2017 um 22:16 schrieb David Kastrup:
>>> Separating website content from general documentation should definitely
>>> be an option.
>> What advantages do you expect from it?
>
> Breaking the technical tie between documentation and website makes
Am 04.02.2017 um 22:16 schrieb David Kastrup:
>> Separating website content from general documentation should definitely
>> be an option.
> What advantages do you expect from it?
Breaking the technical tie between documentation and website makes it
possible to update the (much smaller) website
Design update. It looks better and attracts more users to the software.
On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:46 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
> John Roper writes:
>
> >> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:16 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
> >>
> >>> Urs Liska
John Roper writes:
>> On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:16 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
>>
>>> Urs Liska writes:
>>>
>>> > Am 03.02.2017 um 18:20 schrieb Federico Bruni:
>>> >> Il giorno ven 3 feb 2017 alle 11:31, John Roper
>>> >>
A: Because it messes with the order in which people read text.
Q: Why is top-posting a bad thing?
Just sayin’… :-)
Best, Simon
On 04.02.2017 22:21, John Roper wrote:
It is easier for users to write and it looks better. Blended exports
human-readable files. Look at the website.
It is easier for users to write and it looks better. Blended exports
human-readable files. Look at the website. http://jmroper.com/blended/
On Sat, Feb 4, 2017 at 4:16 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
> Urs Liska writes:
>
> > Am 03.02.2017 um 18:20 schrieb Federico
Urs Liska writes:
> Am 03.02.2017 um 18:20 schrieb Federico Bruni:
>> Il giorno ven 3 feb 2017 alle 11:31, John Roper
>> ha scritto:
>>> OK, I was asking because I have written a static command line HTML
>>> site generator that builds from HTML,
Blended now has support for *eleven* markup languages and it has a new
website!
http://jmroper.com/blended/
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:39 PM, John Roper wrote:
> There is a template system. You setup page templates and Blended inserts
> the text from any file into that
There is a template system. You setup page templates and Blended inserts
the text from any file into that template.
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Urs Liska wrote:
>
>
> Am 03.02.2017 um 18:20 schrieb Federico Bruni:
> > Il giorno ven 3 feb 2017 alle 11:31, John Roper
>
Am 03.02.2017 um 18:20 schrieb Federico Bruni:
> Il giorno ven 3 feb 2017 alle 11:31, John Roper
> ha scritto:
>> OK, I was asking because I have written a static command line HTML
>> site generator that builds from HTML, Markdown, reStruturedText,
>> Textile, Plain Text
Il giorno ven 3 feb 2017 alle 11:31, John Roper
ha scritto:
OK, I was asking because I have written a static command line HTML
site generator that builds from HTML, Markdown, reStruturedText,
Textile, Plain Text (.txt), and Microsoft Word (.docx).
OK, I was asking because I have written a static command line HTML site
generator that builds from HTML, Markdown, reStruturedText, Textile, Plain Text
(.txt), and Microsoft Word (.docx).
http://jmroper.com/blended
Is that versatile enough for you? Also, how do you handle translations?
On
On Thu, Feb 02, 2017 at 09:31:39PM -0500, John Roper wrote:
>Ok, so what are the major things you would like from a new web redesign
>(not including the docs)?
>I know of:
>Not reliant on JavaScript
>Can be translated
>Can be updated with each new build
There's a few
> Ok, so what are the major things you would like from a new web
> redesign (not including the docs)?
>
> I know of:
>
> Not reliant on JavaScript
> Can be translated
> Can be updated with each new build
If possible, try an incremental approach! I'm quite sure that you can
achieve almost
On 02/02/2017 09:31 PM, John Roper wrote:
Ok, so what are the major things you would like from a new web
redesign (not including the docs)?
Hi, I'll defer to Graham and others on this (cc'd). Probably best to
start a new thread for this question on the developer's list:
Ok, so what are the major things you would like from a new web redesign
(not including the docs)?
I know of:
Not reliant on JavaScript
Can be translated
Can be updated with each new build
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On Sun, 11 Dec 2016 23:54:16 +0100, Michael Gerdau wrote:
> I'm fine with using javascript on any site as long as I who generally
> and deliberately disables javascript can still use that site.
I'd like to add: There is good value in javascript for web sites. However,
an
I think John has accomplished a lot of useful things. Chiefly exposing
to the rest of the community the nontrivial nature of maintenance for
the LilyPond website. He also has demonstrated that we appreciate
useful progress or improvement but also are clearly interested in why
that should
> >And my view is, if
> >
> > you refuse to use JavaScript, or try to run a defunct browser, that's
> > your problem.
>
> That is my view too. I understand about your blind users, but you can
> view a javascript-enabled website with a text website. It is possible.
Refusing to use javascript has
Hi John,
Am 11.12.2016 um 22:36 schrieb John Roper:
> I would really love to help, but I can spend the time fighting with
> every single person on the thread.
>
Please let me share some personal memories with you.
You may know that I am one of the longer-lasting and pretty active
people in the
I would really love to help, but I can spend the time fighting with
every single person on the thread.
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>> Why this unwarranted hostility?
?
>And my view is, if
> you refuse to use JavaScript, or try to run a defunct browser, that's your
> problem.
That is my view too. I understand about your blind users, but you can
view a javascript-enabled website with a text website. It is possible.
On 11 Dec 2016 07:23, "David Kastrup" wrote:
Werner LEMBERG writes:
>>> I just don't think I am the best person for the job.
>>
>> Roper has finally posted something I agree with.
>
> Why this unwarranted hostility? His final design was sound, and I
> think we
Am 11.12.2016 um 08:23 schrieb David Kastrup:
Werner LEMBERG writes:
I just don't think I am the best person for the job.
Roper has finally posted something I agree with.
Why this unwarranted hostility? His final design was sound, and I
think we should adapt some key
Am 11. Dezember 2016 08:07:04 MEZ, schrieb Werner LEMBERG :
>
>>> I just don't think I am the best person for the job.
>>
>> Roper has finally posted something I agree with.
>
>Why this unwarranted hostility? His final design was sound, and I
>think we should adapt some key
Werner LEMBERG writes:
>>> I just don't think I am the best person for the job.
>>
>> Roper has finally posted something I agree with.
>
> Why this unwarranted hostility? His final design was sound, and I
> think we should adapt some key elements. And even if you think it was
>
>> I just don't think I am the best person for the job.
>
> Roper has finally posted something I agree with.
Why this unwarranted hostility? His final design was sound, and I
think we should adapt some key elements. And even if you think it was
not, you shouldn't word it like that.
Roper has finally posted something I agree with.
On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 2:29 PM, John Roper wrote:
> I just don't think
> I am the best person for the job.
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On 07.12.2016 23:01, John Roper wrote:
Am 07.12.2016 um 11:24 schrieb Phil Holmes:
it would be too much effort to fix something so minor
> From my naive point of view, there is something inherently wrong with a
website system if it is too much effort to correct a typo...
Joram
LOL doesn't
>>Am 07.12.2016 um 11:24 schrieb Phil Holmes:
>> it would be too much effort to fix something so minor
>From my naive point of view, there is something inherently wrong with a
>website system if it is too much effort to correct a typo...
>Joram
LOL doesn't this sound familiar?
On 12/03/2016 04:24 PM, Graham Percival wrote:
On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 08:10:17PM -0500, Paul wrote:
I just wish that working with texinfo (for the website) was more intuitive
for contributors who know HTML but not texinfo. For example, an HTML
element with an id and also a number of classes,
Il 2016-12-03 11:38 Urs Liska ha scritto:
Am 3. Dezember 2016 11:42:35 MEZ, schrieb Federico Bruni
:
Il giorno gio 1 dic 2016 alle 1:48, John Roper
ha scritto:
Why specifically do we *need* to use textinfo? If I could make a new
system that would
Le 03/12/2016 à 22:28, Graham Percival a écrit :
On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 07:50:50PM +0100, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote:
I've already given it a try, but get stopped by some errors I don't know how
to resolve (I've no knowledge about perl). Three patches are available for
anybody willing to
Karlin High writes:
>>From: Graham Percival
>>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 3:35 PM
>>
>>If there was a single mentor for the new contributor, and if other
>>people didn't make well-intentioned but ultimately misleading
>>suggestions, we could
On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 04:06:53AM +, Karlin High wrote:
> >From: Graham Percival
> >Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 3:35 PM
> >
> >If there was a single mentor for the new contributor, and if other
> >people didn't make well-intentioned but ultimately misleading
>From: Graham Percival
>Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 3:35 PM
>
>If there was a single mentor for the new contributor, and if other
>people didn't make well-intentioned but ultimately misleading
>suggestions, we could have avoided 95% of this mess.
Dunno quite,
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 03:39:58PM -0800, Graham Percival wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 11:08:00PM +0100, Simon Albrecht wrote:
> > On 03.12.2016 22:35, Graham Percival wrote:
> > >A wiki is never the right answer.
> >
> > Please elaborate :-) Because it’s too open for everyone to alter?
>
>
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 11:08:00PM +0100, Simon Albrecht wrote:
> On 03.12.2016 22:35, Graham Percival wrote:
> >A wiki is never the right answer.
>
> Please elaborate :-) Because it’s too open for everyone to alter?
Because "somebody else" will fix it. Also, it adds yet one more
place that
On 03.12.2016 22:35, Graham Percival wrote:
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 08:45:30PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
Karlin High writes:
I like Urs Liska's idea of having a wiki or contributor guide entry for
web developer work.
Yes, it makes sense.
A wiki is never the right
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 08:45:30PM +0100, David Kastrup wrote:
> Karlin High writes:
>
> > I like Urs Liska's idea of having a wiki or contributor guide entry for
> > web developer work.
>
> Yes, it makes sense.
A wiki is never the right answer.
Karlin's suggestion of
On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 07:50:50PM +0100, Jean-Charles Malahieude wrote:
> I've already given it a try, but get stopped by some errors I don't know how
> to resolve (I've no knowledge about perl). Three patches are available for
> anybody willing to help me… I can compile the English version,
On Thu, Dec 01, 2016 at 08:10:17PM -0500, Paul wrote:
> I just wish that working with texinfo (for the website) was more intuitive
> for contributors who know HTML but not texinfo. For example, an HTML
> element with an id and also a number of classes, all used for styling it
> with CSS. I don't
Am 03.12.2016 um 11:42 schrieb Federico Bruni:
> At least we would have a concise list of requirements for the next
> person who will offer to renovate the website.
A good suggestion.
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Karlin High writes:
> On 12/3/2016 4:42 AM, Federico Bruni wrote:
>> John, you resisted more than I would have expected. I wonder if we'll
>> ever see "the best person for _this_ job".
>
> And, I have been admiring John's patience and flexibility. He faced more
> resistance
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