On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 02:06:33 +0100, Herbert Szumovski wrote:
to run redundant big sized applications. You are right: people will develop
for Linux then, if they can't get a mainframe OS easily, but why is IBM
whining then about diminishing mainframe business ?
Because they sell hardware. Which
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 22:26:25 +, Alan Cox wrote:
Telco billing must not stop even if an entire site is anihilated, nobody
must be billed twice and no record lost.
Banks have the same requirements. In Denmark, since around 1989 or so, all
shares and bonds ONLY exist electronically. I
Please excuse botching up terminology. Running RH 7.2 in an LPAR.
The dasd addresses will be changing... is it enough to update
/etc/zipl.conf with the new addresses (like parameters=root=/dev/dasda1
dasd=6B40-6B43,6BC0-6BC3), and rerun zipl before the last shutdown? So
the next time the LPAR is
I don't care to much about z/OS (though it would be fun to run it on a
PC as hobbyist), but if z/VM should be sold as Hypervisor for Linux/390,
then there should be definitely a way, where people can try that at home if
they like.
Why exactly? why not just use Hercules to run Linux/390 -
Per,
Nice to meet you.
The big complaint with VSE is that there are no new applications written for it. A
cheap hobbyist licenses might result in some great new applications. They might even
be free (GNU). Open source is where VSE started out anyway. I work with VSE and they
need to do
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:08:58 -0600, Stephen Frazier wrote:
For most consulting companies $13K presents a big problem. Yes, there
are a few large consulting firms that can pay that and they do cater to
$13K is a problem to most consulting companies ?? Surely not - maybe most of
the one-person
Have been looking for this answer, but can not find it in manuals
or in any lists.
We just got a new z800 with new osa-express gb cards.
How do we configure the cards to force full-duplex and turn off auto-neg ??
The Advanced Functions CHPID windows don't seem to let me do this.
Tia
Dave
My company writes software that runs identically, for the most part, in MVS,
DOS/VSE, OS390 and Z/OS. GNU has nothing to with it, writing for
portability does. Portable does not mean Windows of Sun, in this sense
anyway. I have software that was written in 1982 still running in IBM shops
today.
GB Ethernet parameters can not be set like the OSA Express cards can be set.
Larry Davis
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From: Dave Myers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 10:23
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: How to force full-duplex and 1gb on new osa-e card
Have been
On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 03:35, A. Harry Williams wrote:
Unfortunately, this is a message for those that won't get this message,
but in case someone else asks you here, we are currently being blocked
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On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 15:05, Per Jessen wrote:
$13K is a problem to most consulting companies ?? Surely not - maybe most of
the one-person consulting companies, but for anything of eg. 10 people and up,
would $13K really represent a problem ?
Actually yes it does. If a customer wants a job
For most consulting companies $13K presents a big problem. Yes, there
are a few large consulting firms that can pay that and they do cater to
that need. But why not let the vast majority of small consultants
promote z/VM also?
http://www.kmsitltd.co.uk
A one-man company specialising in z/OS
On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 10:52, Per Jessen wrote:
As to telcos not billing people twice and not losing records ? since when ?
which planet?
Not billing someone is a telco nono. Whether they get the phone matters
a lot less. If they don't have any service they cant make any extra free
calls 8)
There is a need for various types of systems. Why can't we all play nicely
together. We have a business need for a mainframe running VM/ESA with two
VSE/ESA images. This works great for our business, I'm sure this isn't the
case through out the
IS world.
Bravo. Well said.
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From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
Phil Payne
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 9:03 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: IBM has no realistic entry-level offering in the mainframe
space
For most consulting companies
I am look at a output from a tcpdump, and I found that the datagram of
fragmented data are sent from the last fragmented datagram first.
Is this correcrt
(frag 9311:920@8880) (DF)
(frag 9311:1480@7400+) (DF)
(frag 9311:1480@5920+) (DF)
(frag 9311:1480@4440+) (DF)
(frag
Daniel,
Re-running zipl as you plan on doing should take care of that aspect of your
move. I can't address the volume label issues. Of course, that only
applies if you chose cdl (or let it default) during dasdfmt processing.
Mark Post
-Original Message-
From: Daniel Jarboe
Attached patch fixes userland cmsfs; ...
Thanks!
I'll fit that in and check the kernelland effects.
-- RMT
Eddie Chen writes:
I am look at a output from a tcpdump, and I found that the datagram of
fragmented data are sent from the last fragmented datagram first.
Is this correcrt
(frag 9311:920@8880) (DF)
(frag 9311:1480@7400+) (DF)
(frag 9311:1480@5920+) (DF)
(frag
The datagram I sent was outbound.. However, the in-bound seems to comes
in fragment offset 0 to the last fragment.
Does this apply to all host/router to sent last-datagram first???
On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 16:36, Malcolm Beattie wrote:
Yes, it's a useful performance optimisation. It means the recipient
can allocate a network buffer just the right size for the whole
datagram as soon as it receives the first fragment. That saves it
It also means we can send the fragments
At least - that's what a Microsoft-sponsored study by IDC found. For those who aren't
familiar with big analyst firm economics - it's the reprint rights that count. A
vendor might
pay peanuts to have a survey done, and then buy 10,000 glossy copies for its sales
farce:
Can this ordering be a problem with the CIP??? Because I am getting ICMP
type:03 and code:0D on that datagram - the last-datagram being sent
first.
At 11:57 03.12.2002, Per Jessen wrote:
Now try to sell Linux/390 on a z/Box to a service provider, who wants to run
e.g. 40 servers. Nearly nobody wants z/VM, the dinosaur operating system.
99% of their arguments go away immediately, when I can show them on the PC,
how it works and how easy I
This may be a little off topic, but we are trying to get ospf working
under z/VM 4.3 so we can advertise some of our linux addresses.
In the mproute config file we have
OSPF_Interface
IP_address=134.67.180.130
Hello_Interval=10
Dead_Router_Interval=40
And the 13k are not a price, but a mindsetting problem. If a vendor asks me
to pay 13k$ for the authorization to sell one of his systems, so that he can
enhance his revenue, then that's at least strange, if not ridiculous.
You're obviously not an IBM Business Partner. IBM authorises partners
On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 17:22, Eddie Chen wrote:
Can this ordering be a problem with the CIP??? Because I am getting ICMP
type:03 and code:0D on that datagram - the last-datagram being sent
first.
Its a legal ordering so it should only cause problems on faulty
equipment. When looking at the
Th one that sent the ICMP is from the CIP:
Note the offending Datagram is the first sent.
10:39:19.601305 192.168.254.206 162.69.28.2: (frag 28485:920@8880) (DF)
(ttl 6
10:39:19.601404 192.168.254.206 162.69.28.2: (frag 28485:1480@7400+) (DF)
(ttl
10:39:19.601419
I ask the person that are resp. for the CIP... he says no filters, only
snmp are set.
Any suggestion on TRACE???
I'm trying to compile the libsigc++-1.0.4 package on Linux/390. I'm getting
the following failure, which I do not see on my Intel Linux system:
Making all in signals
make[2]: Entering directory
`/tmp/build-libsigc-1.0.4-s390-1/libsigc++-1.0.4/tests/signals'
/bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=link c++
Since I upgraded to the 2.4.19 kernel, I've noticed that my loadavg is
always 1.00 or higher, never lower, even when idling. I'm presuming this is
a bug of some sort.
Has anyone else seen this? Any pointers to a patch to fix it?
Mark Post
http://www.esj.com/news/article.asp?EditorialsID=345
On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 05:22:25PM +, Eddie Chen wrote:
Can this ordering be a problem with the CIP??? Because I am getting ICMP
type:03 and code:0D on that datagram - the last-datagram being sent
first.
---end quoted text---
Do you have a sniffer trace of this as well? It would be
Mark Post wrote:
/tmp/build-libsigc-1.0.4-s390-1/libsigc++-1.0.4/tests/signals/retbind_slot_t
est.cc:25: undefined reference to `ostream::write(char const *, long)'
Could you check the source code at the given line? I assume the
problem is that the second argument to ostream::write is supposed
Mark Post wrote:
Since I upgraded to the 2.4.19 kernel, I've noticed that my loadavg is
always 1.00 or higher, never lower, even when idling. I'm presuming this is
a bug of some sort.
I seem to recall we've fixed this already but I can't remember the
details :-(
Could you check, when the
Ulrich,
Unfortunately, a ps ax shows up only S/SW/SWN/SL and the ps command as
R. No D states.
Mark Post
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From: Ulrich Weigand [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 4:40 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4.19
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Per Jessen wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 09:08:58 -0600, Stephen Frazier wrote:
For most consulting companies $13K presents a big problem. Yes, there
are a few large consulting firms that can pay that and they do cater to
$13K is a problem to most consulting companies ??
Mark,
That's where things get a little strange. The source module is only 44
lines line, and line 25 is a blank line. :( Here's the entire module:
I'm not sure, but I guess this means it happens during template
expansion for a template needed in main. This would be the
'retbind'
$13K is a problem to most consulting companies ?? Surely not - maybe most of
the one-person consulting companies, but for anything of eg. 10 people and up,
would $13K really represent a problem ?
Is that per consultant?
I played with z/Flex - the zArchitecture version of Flex-ES - on an
On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 05:35:25PM +, Alan Cox wrote:
On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 16:36, Malcolm Beattie wrote:
having to reallocate larger and larger buffers for each fragment that
comes in. IIRC, it used to confuse one or two grotty old embedded TCP/IP
stacks but that was years ago and I'd
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Phil Payne wrote:
$13K is a problem to most consulting companies ?? Surely not - maybe most of
the one-person consulting companies, but for anything of eg. 10 people and up,
would $13K really represent a problem ?
Is that per consultant?
I played with z/Flex -
Ulrich,
I changed the bastring.cc file as you suggested. It made no difference. I
get exactly the same error as before. The .ii file showed that the modified
line was being included:
template class charT, class traits, class Allocator
ostream
operator (ostream o, const basic_string charT,
On Tue, 2002-12-03 at 20:10, Eddie Chen wrote:
I ask the person that are resp. for the CIP... he says no filters, only
snmp are set.
Any suggestion on TRACE???
Administratively prohibited is a firewall rule, nothing else generates
that paticular ICMP error.
On Tuesday 03 December 2002 05:11 pm, John Summerfield wrote:
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Phil Payne wrote:
$13K is a problem to most consulting companies ?? Surely not - maybe
most of the one-person consulting companies, but for anything of eg.
10 people and up, would $13K really represent a
On 04.12.2002 at 03:50:04, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OSPF_Interface
IP_address=134.67.180.130
Hello_Interval=10
Dead_Router_Interval=40
Router_priority=0
Name=OSA1
Cost0=2
Subnet_mask=255.255.255.252
Dietmar,
Nobody else jumped on this, so maybe I can help...
Is this Linux/390 system running in an LPAR? If so, did you try specifying
IPLdelay=xyz in your parmfile? You might start with a value of IPLdelay=2m
and see if that helps. (But only for an LPAR install.)
I guess I should ask if the
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Phil Payne wrote:
$13K is a problem to most consulting companies ?? Surely not -
maybe most of
the one-person consulting companies, but for anything of eg. 10
people and up,
would $13K really represent a problem ?
Is that per consultant?
I played with z/Flex -
Dean,
Interesting thoughts ...
Basically IBM is a corporation with stockholders. A 'for profit' corporation.
They will do things that they believe will earn them money. IBM is very
interested in earning money (as are most if not all corporations). The key to
this discussion is to come up with a
Complain if you want but the reality is if you want a hobbyist license you
have
to find a way for IBM to make money on it. Heck, you might get them to at
least
listen to you if you could find a way for them to break-even on the
license (but
I doubt it).
Interestingly, I am quite sure IBM
On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 04:55:59PM -0500, Post, Mark K wrote:
That's where things get a little strange. The source module is only 44
lines line, and line 25 is a blank line. :( Here's the entire module:
[...]
FWIW, this test program compiles, links and runs fine for me on Debian 3.0,
using
Your zipl plan should work.
As for the VOLSER, I've never seen a way to change the volser. I don't believe Linux
cares what it is. I always thought it was so MVS could see the dasd properly. I
would think if you change it from MVS, Linux shouldn't care. It will just notice the
new VOLSER
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 21:25:45 -0500, Jeffrey C Barnard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dean,
Interesting thoughts ...
Basically IBM is a corporation with stockholders. A 'for profit' corporation.
They will do things that they believe will earn them money. IBM is very
interested in earning money (as are
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 19:18:42 -0800, Dean Kent [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Complain if you want but the reality is if you want a hobbyist license you
have
to find a way for IBM to make money on it. Heck, you might get them to at
least
listen to you if you could find a way for them to break-even on
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