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2007-08-02 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 00:22 +0200, Lindy Mayfield wrote: Does that mean that potentially that 1 mainframe has the equivalent of at least 130 network cards? I can see how most of the hardware is virtualized, but the networking I don't quite see, yet. How does that part work? As an option to

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2007-08-02 Thread David Boyes
Does that mean that potentially that 1 mainframe has the equivalent of at least 130 network cards? I can see how most of the hardware is virtualized, but the networking I don't quite see, yet. How does that part work? It's a common networking technique called VLAN trunking; the network

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2007-08-02 Thread Rodriguez, Oscar
not randomly pick these 3,900 servers. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 6:22 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: FW: IBM saves $250 million consolidating Linux servers on to mainframes

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2007-08-02 Thread Britz, Anton - CO 7th
-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: IBM saves $250 million consolidating Linux servers on to mainframes | NetworkWorld.com Community On Wed, Aug 1, 2007 at 6:41 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Now does anyone know what percentage of the IBM saving

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2007-08-02 Thread Mark Post
On Thu, Aug 2, 2007 at 9:22 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- As an option to communicating through an OSA, virtual machines can also communicate via so-called hipersockets -- which are in essence OSA emulators written in firmware. The TCP/IP

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2007-08-02 Thread Alan Altmark
On Thursday, 08/02/2007 at 10:34 EDT, Britz, Anton - CO 7th [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So you want to merge 4000 Servers on to ONE IBM box and IBM them selves can not even keep their support system up.. This is how rumors get started. No one is merging 4000 servers on one box. Don't get me

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2007-08-02 Thread Rich Smrcina
Hypersockets is best communication between LPARs. For communications between virtual machines within the same z/VM LPAR, virtual machines connected to the same VSwitch can talk directly to each other (still no wires). Rodriguez, Oscar wrote: Does that mean that potentially that 1 mainframe

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2007-08-02 Thread David Kreuter
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port on behalf of Rich Smrcina Sent: Thu 8/2/2007 11:14 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: FW: IBM saves $250 million consolidating Linux servers on to mainframes | NetworkWorld.com Community Hypersockets is best communication between

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2007-08-02 Thread Rob van der Heij
It is common to find a fair part of a server's network bandwidth used for network backup and other service activities. If you can run the backup server on the same z/VM system and connect them all to vswitch, then all that network traffic can stay inside z/VM. If you used dedicated OSA devices,

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2007-08-02 Thread Chase, John
-Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port On Behalf Of Britz, Anton - CO 7th Hi, Yes, they should rather have publish the story that IBM's IBMLINK is now down for how long ? A week... So you want to merge 4000 Servers on to ONE IBM box ... One and twenty-nine more. and

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2007-08-02 Thread Dave Jones
According to the hardware manuals, a z9 can support up to 24 OSA cards; with each card having 2 ports, for a total of 48 ports. Each port is rated at 1 Gbps (I think that's correct), so I believe the aggregate total bandwidth should be something on the order of 48 * 1 Gbps or a total of 48 Gbps

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2007-08-02 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2007-08-02 at 09:14 -0600, Mark Post wrote: On Thu, Aug 2, 2007 at 9:22 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As an option to communicating through an OSA, virtual machines can also communicate via so-called hipersockets -- which are in essence

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2007-08-02 Thread David Boyes
According to the hardware manuals, a z9 can support up to 24 OSA cards; with each card having 2 ports, for a total of 48 ports. Each port is rated at 1 Gbps (I think that's correct), so I believe the aggregate total bandwidth should be something on the order of 48 * 1 Gbps or a total of 48

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2007-08-01 Thread McKown, John
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2007-08-01 Thread Mark Post
On Wed, Aug 1, 2007 at 8:53 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/17998 It's too bad the article repeats the idea that's going around that Red Hat's recent agreement with IBM is something new. Red Hat was later to

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2007-08-01 Thread Stahr, Lea
Post Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: FW: IBM saves $250 million consolidating Linux servers on to mainframes | NetworkWorld.com Community On Wed, Aug 1, 2007 at 8:53 AM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http

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2007-08-01 Thread Kelman, Tom
- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 10:59 AM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: FW: IBM saves $250 million consolidating Linux servers on to mainframes | NetworkWorld.com Community On Wed, Aug 1, 2007 at 8:53 AM, in message

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2007-08-01 Thread Lindy Mayfield
, but the networking I don't quite see, yet. How does that part work? Lindy -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelman, Tom Sent: 1. elokuuta 2007 20:49 To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: FW: IBM saves $250 million consolidating Linux servers

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2007-08-01 Thread Tom Shilson
Linux on 390 Port LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU wrote on 08/01/2007 05:22:23 PM: SNIP Does that mean that potentially that 1 mainframe has the equivalent of at least 130 network cards? I can see how most of the hardware is virtualized, but the networking I don't quite see, yet. How does that

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2007-08-01 Thread Britz, Anton - CO 7th
million consolidating Linux servers on to mainframes | NetworkWorld.com Community z/VM simulates the function of a hardware switch (called the Virtual Switch). Each virtual machine (and even TCP/IP on VM itself) can use the virtual switch to access the 'real' network. The traffic from the machines

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2007-08-01 Thread Rich Smrcina
z/VM simulates the function of a hardware switch (called the Virtual Switch). Each virtual machine (and even TCP/IP on VM itself) can use the virtual switch to access the 'real' network. The traffic from the machines on the virtual switch can be load balanced (as of z/VM 5.3) over 3 OSA Express

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2007-08-01 Thread Marcy Cortes
for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: Linux on 390 Port [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:22 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: [LINUX-390] FW: IBM saves $250 million consolidating Linux servers on to mainframes

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2007-08-01 Thread Fargusson.Alan
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 3:22 PM To: LINUX-390@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: FW: IBM saves $250 million consolidating Linux servers on to mainframes | NetworkWorld.com Community Just curious, because I don't know how the hardware works, if 30 mainframes

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2007-08-01 Thread Alan Cox
Does that mean that potentially that 1 mainframe has the equivalent of at least 130 network cards? I can see how most of the hardware is virtualized, but the networking I don't quite see, yet. How does that part work? They are virtual - how many network cards do want - just write some more

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2007-08-01 Thread Jim Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Just curious, because I don't know how the hardware works, if 30 mainframes do the work of 3,900 servers, that means 1 mainframe does 130. Does that mean that potentially that 1 mainframe has the equivalent of at least 130 network cards? I can see how most of the hardware is virtualized,

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2007-08-01 Thread Rich Smrcina
: IBM saves $250 million consolidating Linux servers on to mainframes | NetworkWorld.com Community z/VM simulates the function of a hardware switch (called the Virtual Switch). Each virtual machine (and even TCP/IP on VM itself) can use the virtual switch to access the 'real' network. The traffic

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2007-08-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
Just curious, because I don't know how the hardware works, if 30 mainframes do the work of 3,900 servers, that means 1 mainframe does 130. The big difference is that servers are running under 20% (in general). The mainframe is running at 100%. Does that mean that potentially that 1 mainframe

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2007-08-01 Thread Mark Post
On Wed, Aug 1, 2007 at 6:22 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lindy Mayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, because I don't know how the hardware works, if 30 mainframes do the work of 3,900 servers, that means 1 mainframe does 130. Does that mean that potentially that 1 mainframe

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2007-08-01 Thread Mark Post
On Wed, Aug 1, 2007 at 6:22 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lindy Mayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, because I don't know how the hardware works, if 30 mainframes do the work of 3,900 servers, that means 1 mainframe does 130. Does that mean that potentially that 1 mainframe

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2007-08-01 Thread Mark Post
On Wed, Aug 1, 2007 at 6:41 PM, in message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip- Now does anyone know what percentage of the IBM saving is computed by calculating the saved advertising expenditure created by the story 8) It's probably largely offset by the bonuses the

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2007-08-01 Thread Alan Altmark
On Wednesday, 08/01/2007 at 06:43 EDT, Mark Post [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In addition to the VSWITCH that Rich talked about, each port on an OSA card provides between 15 and 48 network interfaces (depending on the model), and you can have multiple OSA cards. All but the OSA-Express2 10 GbE

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2007-08-01 Thread Rich Smrcina
Ahhh I was wondering how that worked since the DEFINE VSWITCH command still only allowed three device numbers to be coded. Then I saw the doc on the SET PORT GROUP command. So 8 it is... Alan Altmark wrote: On a z9 with z/VM 5.3, a single VSWITCH can aggregate up to 8 dedicated OSA ports