On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Post, Mark K wrote:
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 16:09:34 -0500
From: Post, Mark K [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: RHEL3 requires 256MB to be supported?
I don't think any such assumptions were made.
Hello all,
excuse my ignorance, but what does dog mean??. Something to do
with cat or fox etc??.
John D. Cassidy Dipl.-Ing (Informatique)
S390 zSeries Systems Engineering
Schleswigstr. 7
D-51065 Cologne
EU
Tel: +49 (0) 221 61 60 777 . GSM: +49 (0) 177 799 58 56
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 02:15, Vic Cross wrote:
My point was that since Red Hat requires 256MB to be supported, you need to
be able to reproduce any sort of problem while running in that
configuration.
You don't question the 256MB requirement? To me, this is troubling.
It also troubles me
well, CPU-Performance is not everything. Its always a question about the
whole system (and application behavior). If you need pure CPU-Power then IBM
z/Series would be the wrong choice. But most of the systems don't have
permanent a cpu high load. If you need availability and scalability
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:06, Rob van der Heij wrote:
We do know that the installer needs a minimum amount of memory because
The idea of pulling RAM chips out of the PC after you install would
probably be very alien to Intel Linux people. So in that case the
installer requirements are the
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, John Summerfield wrote:
In practice, with new hardware, 256 Mbytes is the minimum I'd reommend -
why would you stuff arround with memory configurations to yield
something between?
This is my point. They can get away with that reasoning for discrete
servers, but can't
Hi,
I have set one of my systems profile exec to have set run on. When we close
our tn3270 session to VM, it seems that the system never goes down, but my ssh
session terminates and new sessions can not be established until I open a
3270 session to the system again.
What is happening? Can someone
What about memory intensive? And how do you gage the CPU intensive
applications? For example we are planning to migrate some of our Solaris
(SPARC) applications off of SPARC and into the z/VM Linux world. If I am
looking at candidates for this migration I see systems (SPARC) with 10 -
30
dont kill your 3270 session; log off from vm with #cp disc (without the
quotes).
Then your zLinux should be available with ssh ...
regards
Joachim Stumpf
Hi,
I have set one of my systems profile exec to have set run on. When we
close
our tn3270 session to VM, it seems that the system never
The best way to understand is to take measurements of the running
production systems. There are many tools for doing this and you may
already be gathering at least the data that you would need. The way to
look at utilization is to plot the utilization on intervals for a peak
period, day or
American slang for very poorly performing.
--Jim--
James S. Tison
Senior Software Engineer
TPF Laboratory / Architecture
IBM Corporation
A bird in hand is safer than one overhead.
John Cassidy
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On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 04:06, Rob van der Heij wrote:
PS The box of Red Hat 7 for Intel says 32MB, but that's probably text
and no GUI.
SuSE 9.0 for x86 claims 64MB minimum for graphical install, 128MB
recommended. I installed Debian 3.0 on a 16MB Intel system just fine,
and I can do that on
Please see the What's New page at:
http://www10.software.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/linux390/whatsnew.shtml
for a change summary of the 2003-10-31 additions and changes to the
Linux for zSeries and S/390 developerWorks Web pages.
June 2003 stream:
o kernel 2.4.21:
- kernel bug
Depending on the task their task currently at hand, I would have thought
that canines perform quite well
John D. Cassidy Dipl.-Ing (Informatique)
S390 zSeries Systems Engineering
Schleswigstr. 7
D-51065 Cologne
EU
Tel: +49 (0) 221 61 60 777 . GSM: +49 (0) 177 799 58 56
E-Mail:
It doesn't bother me because I don't plan on ever running Red Hat on my
mainframes. I guess that made me a little too complacent about the whole
thing. I agree that 256MB is out of line for most routine deployments.
The graphical installation does require a fair amount of storage to run, but
Virtual PC does not work on a G5, it doesn't contain little endian (I think
that's what's missing) emulation support which is critical to Virtual PC's
operation. Microsoft has not given any date when they will support a G5
I haven't tried Bochs on Linux/PPC, but if I can make it run on
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 10:23, Robert Reuscher wrote:
Virtual PC does not work on a G5, it doesn't contain little endian (I think
that's what's missing) emulation support which is critical to Virtual PC's
operation. Microsoft has not given any date when they will support a G5
Well, MS will
What about memory intensive? And how do you gage the CPU intensive
applications? For example we are planning to migrate some of
our Solaris
(SPARC) applications off of SPARC and into the z/VM Linux
world.
Something that occurred to me (and since Joe Temple is kindly answering
questions):
I can't comment about the 256MB limit, I didn't (and wouldn't have) put
it in.
But my tests showed that it is no problem to run a system with 60Mb or
less (with plenty of swap on VDISK) and even compile a kernel on it.
And yes, graphical installs were very painful in the past, I did quite a few
John,
No need to ask to be excused because you don't understand another country's
slang. I'm sure that I wouldn't recognize any slang from Germany, or
France, and I know I don't understand a lot of British slang. ;)
If anything, I should have remembered that there are a lot of non-US
Memory intensive applications are not automatically disqualified, but need
to be looked at individually, and in terms of what the impact will be on the
rest of the systems/z/VM. As Joe and Barton both recommend (and you say you
do), measurement is the only way to get a handle on whether a
Depending on the task their task currently at hand, I would have thought
that canines perform quite well
Normally, yes.
But you should see how some American canines are spoiled/pampered!
Then there is the Western American canine (any breed),
where during the dog days of summer the animal
Eric I've published a methodology for doing this kind of
migration planning. The presentation can be found at
HTTP://velocitysoftware.com/present/ConsTECH
Probably for what you want, start at
HTTP://velocitysoftware.com/present/ConsTECH/sld015.html
One day I'll add some notes to make this a little
But David, this is now TOTALLY possible using ESALPS.
ESALPS collects data from SUN, HP, WinNT, Linux, and
anything else that either NETSNMP supports, or has their
own native SNMP implementation... (but thanks for asking)
And of course when you get to Linux on zVM, ESALPS even
provides correct
Yes, there's some truth, but the canine's master is usually immobilized by
consumption of a colorless, odorless liquid which has an intoxicating
affect on certain carbon-based life-forms.
John R. Campbell, Speaker to Machines (GNUrd) {813-356|697}-5322
Adsumo ergo raptus
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:48, John Campbell wrote:
Yes, there's some truth, but the canine's master is usually immobilized by
consumption of a colorless, odorless liquid which has an intoxicating
affect on certain carbon-based life-forms.
My beer is neither colorless nor odorless, thank you
On Gwe, 2003-10-31 at 11:10, Rob van der Heij wrote:
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 11:06, Rob van der Heij wrote:
We do know that the installer needs a minimum amount of memory because
The idea of pulling RAM chips out of the PC after you install would
probably be very alien to Intel Linux people.
Richard Troth wrote:
Depending on the task their task currently at hand, I would have thought
that canines perform quite well
Normally, yes.
But you should see how some American canines are spoiled/pampered!
Then there is the Western American canine (any breed),
where during the dog days of
On Fri, 2003-10-31 at 12:18, John Cassidy wrote:
Ah yes, in the west, even the dogs are degenerate.. I have seen some
very high performance dogs in Novosibirsk (West Siberia).
They have the hunger, the constant hunger, you see.
The Capitalist Running Dogs are really more like Capitalist
I don't know of any plans to make RMF-PM available on other platforms. I
will look around, but it will be a week or so; others may be able to help
sooner.
Joe Temple
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845-435-6301 295/6301 cell 914-706-5211 home 845-338-8794
David Boyes
From dictionary.com:
dog, n.
. . .
6. Slang.
a. A person regarded as unattractive or uninteresting.
b. Something of inferior or low quality: The President had read the
speech to some of his friends and they told him it was a dog (John P.
Roche).
c. An investment that produces a low return or
I'm going to have to disagree with that. I need my operators to be able to
access the console, however, I don't want them having root access . . . some
of them like to experiment. Ok, some sysadmins like to also . . . perhaps
not a good example :)
but you get the idea.
-Original
Disagreee with what?
Letting your operators have access to the linux console
has nothing to do with whether or not leaving root logged
on and disconnecting the linux virtual console is a security
risk.
You say operators, does this mean they have access to
the OPERATOR account/logon on VM? If so
Is there any one out there that is currently using Sybase Databases on a
zSeries platform under z/VM or is it even available?
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