Re: Run Level 5

2002-03-06 Thread Shlomi Fish
On 6 Mar 2002, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote: Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I always considered Run Level 5 as a very bad idea, which I'll never want to use. However, I recently run into a dillema here at the Computer Networks farm. If I start X from the console and lock it, then a

Re: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread Alex Shnitman
On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 15:46, Amir Tal wrote: Didn't know if I should laugh or cry when I saw a post at Newsforge that says the following : Microsoft management is now threatening to stop shipping Windows completely if the next federal court decision goes against them How real, and how

Sniffing X packets

2002-03-06 Thread Daniel Feiglin
Hi! Does anyone know how to set up tcpdump or ethereal (or something else) to watch X packets? I can see quite clearly how the socket call is set up, but I don't seem to be able to make the connection between the C code and what the sniffer utilities need. (On a regular PC X uses Unix sockets

Re: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread Uri Bruck
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UB Microsoft *is* playing by the rules of competitive capitalism. UB That's how it got to a big near-monopoly. The emergence of such UB monstrosities is an inevitable consequence of a free market UB economy. That's a pretty strange claim. I

Re: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread Oleg Goldshmidt
Tzahi Fadida [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Microsoft has put its monopolistic interests over the design and quality of the product. So make them pull Windows and re-design it from scratch? Maybe we'll get a decent system in the end? No one will be able to XPerience it though... If there was an

RE: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread Shlomi Fish
Note: Terribly long lines. Please tweak your mailer to cut them. On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: I don't know how this topic became economics 101, but I want to return to the quote. If you'll open any operating system concepts book, you will see that separating the shell or the user

RE: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread Tzahi Fadida
well, I never claimed that the windows should completely be redesigned. mind u that the GUI is well designed and many people like it that way. In any case the problem I think Microsoft have, is that they are repeating their mistakes over and over. moreover, the problem is not that their

RE: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread Uri Bruck
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: I don't know how this topic became economics 101, but I want to return to the quote. If you'll open any operating system concepts book, you will see that separating the shell or the user interface, is very important in order for the os to have a

MS, LFC, Security, etc - EOT [was RE: No more windows ??]

2002-03-06 Thread Shlomi Fish
I also came under the impression that this thread if hugely off-topic. If you want to continue it, send me an E-mail and if I'm in the mood I might answer you and Uri, in person. But I don't think I'm too much in the mood. One should do Objectivist evanglism starting from points where the person

RE: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread Uri Bruck
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Shlomi Fish wrote: Note: Terribly long lines. Please tweak your mailer to cut them. On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Tzahi Fadida wrote: I don't know how this topic became economics 101, but I want to return to the quote. If you'll open any operating system concepts book,

Re: Gamatronic UPS

2002-03-06 Thread Shaul Karl
On Tue, 5 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not what they've told me. More or less exact answer I've got from them , is that I have to pay additional fee and that is pretty expensive program. ( Probably this stems from the fact , that Gamatronic's UPS has no serial port that could be

Re: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread frodo
UB 'inevitable' - always worked out this way so far, I'm extrapolating. I.e., you claim that every market that is existing long enough and isn't heavily regulated is by now monopolized? Pretty weird conclusion. Rather contradicting my knowledge about the world surrounding myself. UB I was

RE: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread frodo
TF the design and quality of the product. If there was an ethic TF committee for these kind of violations they would be disbarred, If there were ethic commitee on this kind of things, all major software vendors would have been taken out and shot by now. :) TF to see blood. Microsoft has earned

Re: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread Game Wizard
Actually, there is free options. like 98lite.net. In Lite version it's free. Alas it works only for Win98. And there was also talisman, a superb shell replacer. And I think there is a LiteSTEP for windows. :-))) My 2 cents on the subj. GW. - Original Message - From: Uri Bruck [EMAIL

RE: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread frodo
TF issue. the issue is that Microsoft has betrayed the trust the TF public gave it, in that they used a bad design INTENTIONALLY First, nobody trusted Microsoft with making best OS of all time, or with anything else like this. There are a lot of people - MS shareholders - who trusted MS with

Re: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread Uri Bruck
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UB 'inevitable' - always worked out this way so far, I'm extrapolating. I.e., you claim that every market that is existing long enough and isn't heavily regulated is by now monopolized? There is a world of difference between every market ..is

RE: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread Uri Bruck
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TF the design and quality of the product. If there was an ethic TF committee for these kind of violations they would be disbarred, If there were ethic commitee on this kind of things, all major software vendors would have been taken out and

Re: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread frodo
UB There is a world of difference between every market ..is UB monopolized and monopolies arise in a free market. Did you claim that arising of monopoly is inevitable consequence of a free market? UB Continuing with what actually wrote - I guess in the world that UB surrounds you monopolies

Re: No more windows ??

2002-03-06 Thread Uri Bruck
On Wed, 6 Mar 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: UB There is a world of difference between every market ..is UB monopolized and monopolies arise in a free market. Did you claim that arising of monopoly is inevitable consequence of a free market? And then I explained that by 'inevitable' I was

Fwd: [pptp-devel] pptp-linux-1.1.0-rc3 available for testing

2002-03-06 Thread mulix
a new version of pptp will be out Real Soon Now(tm). if anyone wants to test the quirks handling to verify that i works with israeli adsl modems, please do so. (it works for me). remember to run it with /pptp 10.0.0.138 --quirks=BEZEQ_ADSL pppd options here! - Forwarded message from James