Re: What is the secret to using Lyx with Hebrew?
That is not currently possible due to the latex requirement that it know the current language of the block of code and not just the current character. If you use xetex, still a bit of a pain under lyx though, it will put the text in the right order inside words, but the words and alignment are are in the wrong direction. I see, thanks. Makes sense. Lyx was moved to work with unicode internally so it may be possible to do it implicitly in the future (change paragraph / text segment orientation automatically). If I recall correctly though the reason lyx currently has it's own keyboard switching short cut is due to two main reasons: 1. It is not possible to know on all platform what the current keyboard is, just what the character is which made it a bit difficult to choose the language 2. latex doesn't work with general hebrew encodings so lyx needs to control the input incoding (with widespread unicode support that is probably changing though) Is there movement to improve the situation? Can Lyx be configured to recognize that all [א-ת] are Hebrew language and all [a-zA-Z] are English? Soft characters might be a problem, though. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
After all these years SI1452 still amazes me. Who would want to replace the
Shift Numeral keys with nikud? In order to write SHALOM! (assuming that
capital characters are hebrew) you would then need to press [Language
shift][Shift][1][Language Shift] to get the final exclamation mark. Does
anyone know anyone who is actually doing this?
That's why I suggested the alternative at
http://imagic.weizmann.ac.il/~dov/Hebrew/pango-hebrew.html
The idea is that it makes more sense to press the [Language shift] key
before typing latin characters than punctuation characters.
Regards,
Dov
2009/3/5 Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Guess that answers the question about RLM/LRM.
- yba
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:04:16 +0200
From: Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il
To: Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Cc: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com, linux-il. linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
Hi Yonatan,
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 08:45:17AM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
What is standard Hebrew keyboard layout (disregarding aleph-tav)?
How about SI1452?
http://www.qsm.co.il/NewHebrew/Key1452e.htm
baruch
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 23:13:24 +0200
From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
To: linux-il. linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
Where is the RLM (right to left mark) on the standard Hebrew keyboard
layout? I have googled and found that I can configure the Lyx layout
and then the RTM character is at Ctrl-Y, but can I make it Ctrl-{ like
in another popular OS?
Also, where is a list of the Shift characters in Lyx? I have found
some images that show where the nikud are, but none of them show the
RTM and LTM marks, and I suspect that they may be otherwise incomplete
as well. Thanks.
Suggestions for other alternative Hebrew layouts welcome!
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Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
How about SI1452? http://www.qsm.co.il/NewHebrew/Key1452e.htm Thanks, Baruch, but those alt- characters don't match _any_ of the layouts on my system! It seems to be closest to Biblical, but the RLM and LRM characters do not work. I have these available keyboard layouts: Default Basic Lyx Phonetic Biblical -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
Hi Dov,
I'd like to see a vote on this, or maybe just a discussion.
Maybe there is a possibility of adopting this as a second standard.
Anyone else have opinions about this?
- yba
On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dov Grobgeld wrote:
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:23:37 +0200
From: Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com
To: Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Cc: Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il, linux-il. linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
After all these years SI1452 still amazes me. Who would want to replace the
Shift Numeral keys with nikud? In order to write SHALOM! (assuming that
capital characters are hebrew) you would then need to press [Language
shift][Shift][1][Language Shift] to get the final exclamation mark. Does
anyone know anyone who is actually doing this?
That's why I suggested the alternative at
http://imagic.weizmann.ac.il/~dov/Hebrew/pango-hebrew.html
The idea is that it makes more sense to press the [Language shift] key
before typing latin characters than punctuation characters.
Regards,
Dov
2009/3/5 Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Guess that answers the question about RLM/LRM.
- yba
On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Baruch Siach wrote:
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:04:16 +0200
From: Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il
To: Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Cc: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com, linux-il. linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
Hi Yonatan,
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 08:45:17AM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
What is standard Hebrew keyboard layout (disregarding aleph-tav)?
How about SI1452?
http://www.qsm.co.il/NewHebrew/Key1452e.htm
baruch
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 23:13:24 +0200
From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
To: linux-il. linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
Where is the RLM (right to left mark) on the standard Hebrew keyboard
layout? I have googled and found that I can configure the Lyx layout
and then the RTM character is at Ctrl-Y, but can I make it Ctrl-{ like
in another popular OS?
Also, where is a list of the Shift characters in Lyx? I have found
some images that show where the nikud are, but none of them show the
RTM and LTM marks, and I suspect that they may be otherwise incomplete
as well. Thanks.
Suggestions for other alternative Hebrew layouts welcome!
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Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:24:40 +0200
From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
To: Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il
Cc: Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il, linux-il. linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
How about SI1452?
http://www.qsm.co.il/NewHebrew/Key1452e.htm
Thanks, Baruch, but those alt- characters don't match _any_ of the
layouts on my system! It seems to be closest to Biblical, but the RLM
and LRM characters do not work. I have these available keyboard
layouts:
Default
Basic
Lyx
Phonetic
Biblical
Hi Dotan,
Where do you see these keyboard layouts? What distro are you using?
- yba
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Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
On Thursday 05 March 2009, Baruch Siach wrote:
Hi Yonatan,
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 08:45:17AM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
What is standard Hebrew keyboard layout (disregarding aleph-tav)?
How about SI1452?
http://www.qsm.co.il/NewHebrew/Key1452e.htm
Is there something similar for the Lyx variant?
--y
baruch
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 23:13:24 +0200
From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
To: linux-il. linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
Where is the RLM (right to left mark) on the standard Hebrew keyboard
layout? I have googled and found that I can configure the Lyx layout
and then the RTM character is at Ctrl-Y, but can I make it Ctrl-{ like
in another popular OS?
Also, where is a list of the Shift characters in Lyx? I have found
some images that show where the nikud are, but none of them show the
RTM and LTM marks, and I suspect that they may be otherwise incomplete
as well. Thanks.
Suggestions for other alternative Hebrew layouts welcome!
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Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
Btw, the drawing of the keyboard does not show the following additional
mappings that I use (don't remember if they are part of the original
.xkbmap):
Hebrew shift Z: RLM
Hebrew shift X: LRM
(Mnemonic: RLM is in the left side as the writing direction is to the right.
LRM is on the right side as the writing direction is to the right.)
With that I can write:
xxx שלום! xxx
אאא hello! אאא
C++ שפת מחשב
Cheers,
Dov
2009/3/5 Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Hi Dov,
I'd like to see a vote on this, or maybe just a discussion.
Maybe there is a possibility of adopting this as a second standard.
Anyone else have opinions about this?
- yba
On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dov Grobgeld wrote:
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:23:37 +0200
From: Dov Grobgeld dov.grobg...@gmail.com
To: Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Cc: Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il, linux-il. linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
After all these years SI1452 still amazes me. Who would want to replace
the
Shift Numeral keys with nikud? In order to write SHALOM! (assuming that
capital characters are hebrew) you would then need to press [Language
shift][Shift][1][Language Shift] to get the final exclamation mark. Does
anyone know anyone who is actually doing this?
That's why I suggested the alternative at
http://imagic.weizmann.ac.il/~dov/Hebrew/pango-hebrew.htmlhttp://imagic.weizmann.ac.il/%7Edov/Hebrew/pango-hebrew.html
The idea is that it makes more sense to press the [Language shift] key
before typing latin characters than punctuation characters.
Regards,
Dov
2009/3/5 Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Guess that answers the question about RLM/LRM.
- yba
On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Baruch Siach wrote:
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 09:04:16 +0200
From: Baruch Siach bar...@tkos.co.il
To: Jonathan Ben Avraham y...@tkos.co.il
Cc: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com, linux-il.
linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
Hi Yonatan,
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 08:45:17AM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
What is standard Hebrew keyboard layout (disregarding aleph-tav)?
How about SI1452?
http://www.qsm.co.il/NewHebrew/Key1452e.htm
baruch
On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 23:13:24 +0200
From: Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com
To: linux-il. linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il
Subject: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
Where is the RLM (right to left mark) on the standard Hebrew keyboard
layout? I have googled and found that I can configure the Lyx layout
and then the RTM character is at Ctrl-Y, but can I make it Ctrl-{ like
in another popular OS?
Also, where is a list of the Shift characters in Lyx? I have found
some images that show where the nikud are, but none of them show the
RTM and LTM marks, and I suspect that they may be otherwise incomplete
as well. Thanks.
Suggestions for other alternative Hebrew layouts welcome!
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Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
After all these years SI1452 still amazes me. Who would want to replace the Shift Numeral keys with nikud? In order to write SHALOM! (assuming that capital characters are hebrew) you would then need to press [Language shift][Shift][1][Language Shift] to get the final exclamation mark. Does anyone know anyone who is actually doing this? That does look ridiculous. On Windows the solution is to have the Nikud on the Hebrew layout, Shift-lock enabled, shift- on each key. Non-shift-locked shift on each key gives the symbols expected. That's why I suggested the alternative at http://imagic.weizmann.ac.il/~dov/Hebrew/pango-hebrew.html Looks, nice, but where are the RLM and LRM characters? -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
Thanks, Baruch, but those alt- characters don't match _any_ of the layouts on my system! It seems to be closest to Biblical, but the RLM and LRM characters do not work. I have these available keyboard layouts: Default Basic Lyx Phonetic Biblical Hi Dotan, Where do you see these keyboard layouts? What distro are you using? Kubuntu 8.04, KDE 3.5.10. I see those layouts in Kcontrol. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
2009/3/5 Yuval Hager yu...@avramzon.net: On Thursday 05 March 2009, Baruch Siach wrote: Hi Yonatan, On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 08:45:17AM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: What is standard Hebrew keyboard layout (disregarding aleph-tav)? How about SI1452? http://www.qsm.co.il/NewHebrew/Key1452e.htm Is there something similar for the Lyx variant? If by something similar youmean a page that describes the character placements, try this: http://www.echoofeden.com/digest/slaveofone/2007/02/14/writing-hebrew-in-openoffice-under-linux/ It is missing some characters, though, notably RLM and LRM. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
On Thursday 05 March 2009, Dotan Cohen wrote: 2009/3/5 Yuval Hager yu...@avramzon.net: On Thursday 05 March 2009, Baruch Siach wrote: Hi Yonatan, On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 08:45:17AM +0200, Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote: What is standard Hebrew keyboard layout (disregarding aleph-tav)? How about SI1452? http://www.qsm.co.il/NewHebrew/Key1452e.htm Is there something similar for the Lyx variant? If by something similar youmean a page that describes the character placements, try this: http://www.echoofeden.com/digest/slaveofone/2007/02/14/writing-hebrew-in-op enoffice-under-linux/ Yes, thanks. It is strange that the only page that clearly shows this visually is in English :) I find the lyx variant to be most intuitive. As I don't have time to look for the documentation when I need to add diacritics, it makes much sense for פתח to be on פ, for קמץ to be on ק, for חיריק to be on ח, and so on. If I don't remember the exact position of something, I do not have to err much before I find the right one. Compare that to the shift-number method... It is missing some characters, though, notably RLM and LRM. Yup, these always confuse me. It would be great if someone writes up a simple page, in Hebrew, that explains that and shows it visually (both RLM/LRM and diacritics). It will also help non-technical people who use Linux desktops (for me this means - my wife, my kids, and my sister. I guess every second subscriber on this list has a couple of those installations too). --yuval signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: RLM mark in standard Hebrew keyboard layout
On Thu, Mar 05, 2009 at 12:11:07PM +0200, Yuval Hager wrote: I find the lyx variant to be most intuitive. As I don't have time to look for the documentation when I need to add diacritics, it makes much sense for פתח to be on פ, for קמץ to be on ק, for חיריק to be on ח, and so on. If I don't remember the exact position of something, I do not have to err much before I find the right one. BTW, Sivan Toledo made something similar for Windows, in case you know someone who is interested: http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/~stoledo/Tools/Keyboards/ -- Didi ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
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Arie Skliarouk wrote: How do they solve the latency problems inherent to any internet connection? The round trip time to a well connected (read: 0% packet loss) server in Israel from an Israeli ISP, where Israel here is defined as connected to the IIX, is under 50ms. The jitter less then 1ms and as jitter buffer translate jitter to latency, you can just take it as 60ms delay with a huge margin. The latency at which most people start finding delay in telephone calls intolerable is around 500ms (depending on codec and other aspects of course), so there is really no problem. Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker Codefidence Ltd. The code is free, your time isn't.(TM) Web:http://codefidence.com Email: gi...@codefidence.com Office: +972-8-9316883 ext. 201 Fax:+972-8-9316885 Mobile: +972-52-8260388 The Doctor: Don't worry, Reinette, just a nightmare. Everyone has nightmares. Even monsters from under the bed have nightmares, don't you, monster? Reinette: What do monsters have nightmares about? The Doctor: Me! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cheap VM cluster (software, storage) ideas
Quoting Ghiora Drori, from the post of Wed, 04 Mar: Hi, Why would s3 bother you ? Its there it does not cost money if you do not use it it cost fairly little when you do and it works ok. Well, I was told it's not accassible as a simple filesystem, which means it won't work as shared storage for my current set of apps (various PHP and other tools expecting to find plain files in the directories they put them in... The only thing you will need s3 for is to store images of systems you want to launch, you could use public images but the cost of keeping private onse in s3 is negligible and this gives much more flexiblity in creating custom servers. Well, the hosting guy has 5 very different servers hosted right now. a winXP for Marcom, a couple of production Debian LAMPs, a test LAMP and a spare machine for sensitive sites. I think we are talking about too many details to try and just dump them P2V on a cloud and hope for the best... You do have to learn how to handle it aka instances can die and then you loose their disk this has been rare lately, was more common a few month ago. The EBS drives however do not die with the machine so data are you trying to cheer me up? :) I have machines with 500-600 days of uptime here, I don't need to move a bunch of Israeli sites to a far away cloud that occasionally has a lightning storm as well. You can put mysql, or any other software in images or load them when the instance is up. You can run RedHat, Gentoo, Ubuntu or even Windows... You can scale up and down the number of your servers and EBS disks as needed. If your servers were built for clustering in the first place, maybe. This is not a case of Drag'n'drop, as you can understand :) Make an account and play with it!! A small machine/instance (32 bits) is 10 cents an hour. If you cannot afford that you are not really commercial :) A few minor calculations should give you the correct cost numbers. 10 cents an hour are $2.4 a day or about $75 a month. this is more or less what the guy is paying in Israel now, and he gets less latency (all Hebrew sites and wanted only by Israelis), more disk space, etc. I guess the only real plus of histing the apps there is the Fun in the SAN. As sysadmin using it in a real web company it is very good, has a learning curve like everything else. yeah, only he's expecting definite answers from me, and Now I have to talk him into doing a pilot because I don't have all the correct answers. But that's the way the Internet works, right? :-) Cheers, Ira. -- Santa's little helper Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Windows-free laptop in Israel - possible after all
Quoting Oleg Goldshmidt, from the post of Mon, 02 Mar: service), and left with a nice Lenovo ThinkPad X200 with FreeDOS for my trouble. indeed a trouble. the X200 is not as good as the X60 it's priced to replace. Sic transrit gloria laptopi - Lenovo is sadly phasing out the good old IBM hardware for this new wave of second-rate design :-( BTW, If you want to go really cheap hardware and a Free OS, take a look at these guys: http://shop.affordy.com/pl_product~af-lp-01-g~7~0.htm -- Bundle of joy Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Ubunto Pocket Guide pdf - freedownload link
Quoting Moshe Brace using Yahoo, from the post of Tue, 03 Mar: http://www.ubuntupocketguide.com/download2.html I came across the above link there's a free pdf download to be had. To Moshe and the all the others who want to send us more links - it's a nice thought, but not the coeect use of the Linux-IL. I suggest you collect them in delicious.com or a service like it, and just add the URL to that tag to your signature, and people will subscribe to that at will, and we all have less irrelevant traffic on the list :-) Thanks, Ira. -- Man without peer Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: sic transit gloria mundi [Was: Windows-free laptop in Israel - possible after all]
Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org writes: indeed a trouble. the X200 is not as good as the X60 it's priced to replace. Sic transrit gloria laptopi - Lenovo is sadly phasing out the good old IBM hardware for this new wave of second-rate design :-( Hi Ira, This is a different topic, but I am interested in what you have to say. Since I looked long and hard for a laptop I wanted to buy I would appreciate more details. In what ways do you think it is inferior to X60 (or X61s that I used to have[*]) and in general why in your opinion is it second-rate design? What are your experiences? What to look out for? Feel free to write privately if you feel the subject is too boring (or inflammatory) for the list. So far I am quite satisfied. Obviously, it will take a little bit more time to find out that stuff goes out of order at an appalling rate, but I have no reason to assume that so far... [*] So far it looks quite similar to X61s in terms of features, save for a different aspect ratio, a faster CPU, (what feels like) a better battery life, and the lack of a fingerprint reader (no tears shed for it here). The keyboard feels a little bit different, but it is in fact slightly wider and (IMHO) beats any desktop (let alone laptop) keyboard I've ever used, and I have already done some typing on it. It is also a lot cooler (in terms of temperature after being on for a long time, not appeal) than my X61s was. -- Oleg Goldshmidt | p...@goldshmidt.org ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Cheap VM cluster (software, storage) ideas
Hi, s3 is not used for block storage!! local ec2 instances storage or EBS drives are used. I have instances running for 485 days. These are from the time we started using Amazon which was in beta. The fact that during the beta they some issued is not a big surprise. As to cost if you are using 4 servers it really does not matter. If you are you are using a 100 and there number can drop to 50 or go up depending on what you are doing the savings are significant. Being able to setup more servers to test a large new installation and then discard them paying only for actual usage gives you a lot of flexibility. On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Ira Abramov lists-linux...@ira.abramov.org wrote: Quoting Ghiora Drori, from the post of Wed, 04 Mar: Hi, Why would s3 bother you ? Its there it does not cost money if you do not use it it cost fairly little when you do and it works ok. Well, I was told it's not accassible as a simple filesystem, which means it won't work as shared storage for my current set of apps (various PHP and other tools expecting to find plain files in the directories they put them in... The only thing you will need s3 for is to store images of systems you want to launch, you could use public images but the cost of keeping private onse in s3 is negligible and this gives much more flexiblity in creating custom servers. Well, the hosting guy has 5 very different servers hosted right now. a winXP for Marcom, a couple of production Debian LAMPs, a test LAMP and a spare machine for sensitive sites. I think we are talking about too many details to try and just dump them P2V on a cloud and hope for the best... You do have to learn how to handle it aka instances can die and then you loose their disk this has been rare lately, was more common a few month ago. The EBS drives however do not die with the machine so data are you trying to cheer me up? :) I have machines with 500-600 days of uptime here, I don't need to move a bunch of Israeli sites to a far away cloud that occasionally has a lightning storm as well. You can put mysql, or any other software in images or load them when the instance is up. You can run RedHat, Gentoo, Ubuntu or even Windows... You can scale up and down the number of your servers and EBS disks as needed. If your servers were built for clustering in the first place, maybe. This is not a case of Drag'n'drop, as you can understand :) Make an account and play with it!! A small machine/instance (32 bits) is 10 cents an hour. If you cannot afford that you are not really commercial :) A few minor calculations should give you the correct cost numbers. 10 cents an hour are $2.4 a day or about $75 a month. this is more or less what the guy is paying in Israel now, and he gets less latency (all Hebrew sites and wanted only by Israelis), more disk space, etc. I guess the only real plus of histing the apps there is the Fun in the SAN. As sysadmin using it in a real web company it is very good, has a learning curve like everything else. yeah, only he's expecting definite answers from me, and Now I have to talk him into doing a pilot because I don't have all the correct answers. But that's the way the Internet works, right? :-) Cheers, Ira. -- Santa's little helper Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Constant change is here to stay! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Mako.co.il crashing Firefox?
Arutz 2's Mako website has a WMP video player. I wrote to them to tell them that I cannot see video in Linux, but when I send the form it crashes Firefox. Can someone confirm? Thanks. I'm on Firefox 3.0.6 on Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.5.10. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Mako.co.il crashing Firefox?
You might be interested to know that even as their website is not compatible with Firefox, you can watch the video without any problem under Linux using the following greasemonkey script - http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/36207 Tip: You don't even need to play it embedded. When you load a page and the script is loaded, you'll get direct link to the video inside Firefox error console. More information about Firefox in general at http://mozilla.org.il. All of you are welcome! On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 00:08, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Arutz 2's Mako website has a WMP video player. I wrote to them to tell them that I cannot see video in Linux, but when I send the form it crashes Firefox. Can someone confirm? Thanks. I'm on Firefox 3.0.6 on Kubuntu 8.04 with KDE 4.5.10. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il -- Tomer Cohen http://tomercohen.com Sent from: Haifa Israel. Carl Sagan - In order to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Mako.co.il crashing Firefox?
You might be interested to know that even as their website is not compatible with Firefox, you can watch the video without any problem under Linux using the following greasemonkey script - http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/36207 Tip: You don't even need to play it embedded. When you load a page and the script is loaded, you'll get direct link to the video inside Firefox error console. More information about Firefox in general at http://mozilla.org.il. All of you are welcome! Thanks, Tomer, but I really don't want to install greasemonkey. I tried going through the HTML to get to the link to the video, as VLC can play WMP streams, however I cannot find it. I've gotten two advertisements to play in VLC, but no video! For reference, this is the article that I'm trying to see: http://www.mako.co.il/news-channel2/Channel-2-Newscast/Article-e3087305258df11004.htm -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Mako.co.il crashing Firefox?
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 01:53, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: You might be interested to know that even as their website is not compatible with Firefox, you can watch the video without any problem under Linux using the following greasemonkey script - http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/36207 Tip: You don't even need to play it embedded. When you load a page and the script is loaded, you'll get direct link to the video inside Firefox error console. More information about Firefox in general at http://mozilla.org.il. All of you are welcome! Thanks, Tomer, but I really don't want to install greasemonkey. I tried going through the HTML to get to the link to the video, as VLC can play WMP streams, however I cannot find it. I've gotten two advertisements to play in VLC, but no video! For reference, this is the article that I'm trying to see: http://www.mako.co.il/news-channel2/Channel-2-Newscast/Article-e3087305258df11004.htm Same as you, I don't have any media player plugin installed on my browser, but thanks to that script I am getting the links to appear on the error console. And if this is not enough for you, you can always install the MediaPlayerConnectivity addon and get direct links to the embedded video(s) in the sidebar (but you'll still need the script above in order to make mako site compatible with Firefox). Here is your link. Enjoy. http://switch248-01.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=248ar=8technyon_vtr_n20090305_v1ak=null I am right now working on aggregating result from Firefox users survey we ran back in December (I've done only about 15% of the data for this question), and I must tell you - not-compatible video sites is the #1 reported reason of reported sites. -- Tomer Cohen http://tomercohen.com Sent from: Haifa Israel. Joe DiMaggio - Pair up in threes. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Mako.co.il crashing Firefox?
Same as you, I don't have any media player plugin installed on my browser, but thanks to that script I am getting the links to appear on the error console. And if this is not enough for you, you can always install the MediaPlayerConnectivity addon and get direct links to the embedded video(s) in the sidebar (but you'll still need the script above in order to make mako site compatible with Firefox). What a mess. I'd just abandon the site but they are the only ones who covered the Technion demonstration today. Here is your link. Enjoy. http://switch248-01.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=248ar=8technyon_vtr_n20090305_v1ak=null All I'm getting is a 0 byte blank file. I am right now working on aggregating result from Firefox users survey we ran back in December (I've done only about 15% of the data for this question), and I must tell you - not-compatible video sites is the #1 reported reason of reported sites. Can I get a look at the data. I will write to _each_site_ as a user and complain. I've already written to tens of websites, about half Israeli. The more independent people who contact them, the better. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Mako.co.il crashing Firefox?
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 02:28, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Can I get a look at the data. I will write to _each_site_ as a user and complain. I've already written to tens of websites, about half Israeli. The more independent people who contact them, the better. The raw data may contain personal information submitted by users, and in order to respect the privacy policy I can't share the data, but at the end of the process we will share information collected. By the way, we have just recently automated the process of keeping our not-compatible list of websites, you are welcome to take a look on the list and submit other sites as well. http://mozilla.org.il/evangel.shtml -- Tomer Cohen http://tomercohen.com Sent from: Haifa Israel. Bill Vaughan - Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out the trees, then names the streets after them. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Mako.co.il crashing Firefox?
Hi Dotan,
On Fri, Mar 06, 2009 at 02:28:09AM +0200, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Here is your link. Enjoy.
http://switch248-01.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=248ar=8technyon_vtr_n20090305_v1ak=null
All I'm getting is a 0 byte blank file.
This link leads to an XML style file which embeds MMS links. Here is one of
them:
mms://s4cwm.castup.net/server12/248/457/45785009-61.wmv?ct=ILrg=KZaid=248st=0ts=0cu=7D99C3C1-8668-498B-92EB-4F36C60F5DFB
I was able to play this link with xine and mplayer. VLC failed for some reason.
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