On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 00:31 +0300, Elazar Leibovich wrote:
Some random links about the topic of MS security I ran into, and
reminded me of this discussion:
Marc Maffier (cofounder of eEye) on Windows security
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002317-245.html
Now when you look at Microsoft
I really don't understand what you're saying.
What makes you think all Linux-IL'er would think like you do? Usually
in a technical crowd there are variety of opinions on technical
topics.
Why are the technical merits of the Windows OS are religious matter
not to be discussed? I enjoyed discussing
On Thursday 03 June 2010 11:03:28 Elazar Leibovich wrote:
I really don't understand what you're saying.
What he's saying is that is windows secure is not really a relevant
discussion for Linux-IL and has nothing to do with Common problems with
Ubuntu which was a vague enough topic to begin
Windows is secure or not is **wildly** OT in the
context of Common problems with Ubuntu, let alone the fact that it has
nothing to do with the main theme of the Linux-IL mailing list - read:
helping Linux users in Israel.
Whether I, or anyone else, could be persuaded that each and every MS
product has
Some random links about the topic of MS security I ran into, and
reminded me of this discussion:
Marc Maffier (cofounder of eEye) on Windows security
http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20002317-245.html
Now when you look at Microsoft today they do more to secure their
software than anyone. They're
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:59:37PM +0300, mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote:
I do still have quite a few qualms with it though on other regards. I'm deep
into GPU computing at the moment (Cuda) and what Windows vista and 7 did to
the
graphics driver model is a classic example of Microsoft's
On Sat, 15 May 2010 08:19:03 +
Tzafrir Cohen tzaf...@cohens.org.il wrote:
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:59:37PM +0300, mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote:
I do still have quite a few qualms with it though on other regards. I'm deep
into GPU computing at the moment (Cuda) and what Windows vista
On Thursday, 13 בMay 2010 23:44:54 Udi Oron wrote:
...
Luckily, in 2010, some software distributors are responsible enough to
distribute their software in a way that their software is easy and fast
to install and does not break anything, even if it is not packaged in
the best practice
This seems to me like issue with the video card. Probably firmware.
Ez
2010/5/11 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda ladyp...@gmail.com
Hi Elazar,
Another problem I have been experiencing for the past 3 major Ubuntu
distributions (8.*, 9.*, 10.04, 64 bit OS on a 64 bit dual core) is that the
X becomes
On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:37:44 +0300
Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 May 2010 10:16, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote:
I've never heard of that! Going through the manpage, it looks like you
might be referring to get-selections. Is that it? If not, can you
On Wed, 12 May 2010 10:04:58 +0300
Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 May 2010 01:17, Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote:
Lets start with the problem that Microsoft encourages all users to be set as
administrators by default. It's almost impossible to be a regular user
geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com writes:
Wait a minute. Having more than one MTA installed would be a
disaster. Any sane packager would make postfix, qmail, sendmail,
exim, etc all mutually exclusive.
Installed at the same time and operational at the same time are
not the same
On May 13, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Installed at the same time and operational at the same time are
not the same thing. This is one of the things that alternatives
helps to achieve - you switch between MTAs with a single command
(assuming they are all properly configured,
On Tue, May 11, 2010, Tzafrir Cohen wrote about Re: Common problems with
Ubuntu:
Normally I don't need most existing development packages anyway.
This is a good point. I do think there needs to be a clear separation
between development tools and standard compilers:
Everybody, not just
However, most people do not need four variants of Java
Even for developers, hardly anyone
needs or wants all the tools available under the sun,
The other three are not from Sun.
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Hi Elazar!
On 05/10/2010 05:05 PM, Elazar Leibovich wrote:
I'm evaluating a distribution for developer desktop.
I am using Ubuntu since 7.04.
As a starter I tried to stick only to the official distro packages,
which caused me to use older versions of the development tools.
Later I have
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:49:06AM +0300, Udi Oron wrote:
Hi Elazar!
On 05/10/2010 05:05 PM, Elazar Leibovich wrote:
I'm evaluating a distribution for developer desktop.
I am using Ubuntu since 7.04.
As a starter I tried to stick only to the official distro packages,
which caused me to
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 09:51:09AM +0300, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
On May 13, 2010, at 9:16 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt wrote:
Installed at the same time and operational at the same time are
not the same thing. This is one of the things that alternatives
helps to achieve - you switch between MTAs
Hi!
On 05/13/2010 12:48 PM, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:49:06AM +0300, Udi Oron wrote:
The latest versions of Eclipse, Aptana, Netbeans,
VirtualBox and more tools can be download from the vendor and installed
in one click, system wide or per user Most
of them even
On 14 May 2010 06:44, Udi Oron udioron+linu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi!
The main benefit for me in automation on a *developer desktop machine* is
saving time and getting stuff that really works.
Luckily, in 2010, some software distributors are responsible enough to
distribute their software in a
On 12 May 2010 01:17, Micha Feigin mi...@post.tau.ac.il wrote:
Lets start with the problem that Microsoft encourages all users to be set as
administrators by default. It's almost impossible to be a regular user usually
and just switch momentary to administrator for small administration tasks
On 12 May 2010 08:45, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote:
UBUNTU does have a process where you can sync the packages installed on one
computer with another. You do it by listing the status of all packages to a
file, input the file to the package manager on the other computer
On 12 May 2010 10:16, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote:
I've never heard of that! Going through the manpage, it looks like you
might be referring to get-selections. Is that it? If not, can you
give some more details? Thanks!
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 08:45:39AM +0300, geoffrey mendelson wrote:
On May 12, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Gilboa Davara wrote:
Though, I doubt that the OP will care if he's installing Linux from a
single LiveCD or from an installation DVD. (I would assume that if
he's
talking about multiple
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 08:09:30 Ori Idan wrote:
2010/5/12 Elazar Leibovich elaz...@gmail.com
I think you have to make a distinction between older MS software (such as
XP) and newer ones (such as 7). For example you defenitely don't run as
administrator in Windows 7, and you've got a
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 08:53:02 Baruch Even wrote:
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote:
On Tuesday 11 May 2010 16:04:29 Amos Shapira wrote:
On 11 May 2010 22:01, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com
wrote:
On May 11, 2010, at 2:52 PM,
On יום רביעי 12 מאי 2010 21:40:30 Shlomi Fish wrote:
Anyway, I believe that the problem in Debian would have been exhibited even
if I wanted to install exim in addition to postfix, or sendmail in
addition to postfix etc. because they all supplied a /usr/sbin/sendmail
file which was not a
On Wednesday 12 May 2010 23:27:41 Diego Iastrubni wrote:
On יום רביעי 12 מאי 2010 21:40:30 Shlomi Fish wrote:
Anyway, I believe that the problem in Debian would have been exhibited
even if I wanted to install exim in addition to postfix, or sendmail in
addition to postfix etc. because they
On May 13, 2010, at 1:37 AM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
Just to protect myself against accusations of spreading FUD: I
wasn't
referring to what Debian has presently (which may be very different
from what
existed back then) - I was referring to its past condition. I don't
know what
the present
On 11 May 2010 07:53, mivzakim.net linux...@mivzakim.net wrote:
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, here's my list from my Ford. It's a Focus, though, not a Fiesta:
Dude, that's [sadly?[ one of the most hilarious texts I've read in my life!
:)
God
Hi Elazar,
Another problem I have been experiencing for the past 3 major Ubuntu
distributions (8.*, 9.*, 10.04, 64 bit OS on a 64 bit dual core) is that the
X becomes extremely slow after a major operation (such as running
heavy-memory Matlab scripts, or even an ad with sound on walla's weather
I am not an Ubuntu user, but this thread seems to me a good
opportunity to find out on the cheap whether certain preconceptions
have a reason.
Somehow I got an idea in my head (marketing must work, probably in
mysterious ways) that Ubuntu is a distro explicitly designed for every
non-techie Tom,
Keep in mind that a programmer can also be your average non-techie Joe who
learned how to program with Visual Studio/Eclipse. This is the case for some
people in my team. They rarely know what's going behind the curtains of
Visual Studio.
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:46 AM, Oleg Goldshmidt
Not at all!
Google for Microsoft SDL, it was not always the case, but nowadays they
have excellent security awareness.
For example, see evidence for the change here:
http://blogs.msdn.com/david_leblanc/archive/2010/04/16/don-t-use-office-rc4-encryption-really-just-don-t-do-it.aspx
On Mon, May 10,
Hi Oleg
When trying to use my Ubuntu for development, I ran into dependency
troubles. I needed Eclipse, I had to manually install several java-related
packages, the java compilers clashed (something by IBM came with eclipse, it
was unable to compile the library I needed to hack (lucene) with it,
2010/5/11 Elazar Leibovich elaz...@gmail.com
Actually I once have had an Ubuntu at home and it did not give me any
trouble. I'm looking for a distribution for my workplace to 4 developers
seats with minimal maintainance needs. After we'll install a distribution
we're unlikely to change it,
On May 11, 2010, at 12:42 PM, Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda wrote:
Another problem I have been experiencing for the past 3 major Ubuntu
distributions (8.*, 9.*, 10.04, 64 bit OS on a 64 bit dual core) is
that the X becomes extremely slow after a major operation (such as
running heavy-memory
On 11 May 2010 13:46, Oleg Goldshmidt p...@goldshmidt.org wrote:
I am not an Ubuntu user, but this thread seems to me a good
opportunity to find out on the cheap whether certain preconceptions
have a reason.
Somehow I got an idea in my head (marketing must work, probably in
mysterious ways)
2010/5/11 Orna Agmon Ben-Yehuda ladyp...@gmail.com:
Hi Oleg
When trying to use my Ubuntu for development, I ran into dependency
troubles. I needed Eclipse, I had to manually install several java-related
packages, the java compilers clashed (something by IBM came with eclipse, it
was unable to
On May 11, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Ubuntu packages three Javas, but only the Sun Java has any worth. The
other two only serve to mess up Sun Java installs. Stay away from
them.
Ouch, that brings back another UBUNTU problem. It does not install
Java (are most programs) in
On 11 May 2010 22:01, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote:
On May 11, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Ubuntu packages three Javas, but only the Sun Java has any worth. The
other two only serve to mess up Sun Java installs. Stay away from
them.
Ouch, that brings
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 3:01 PM, geoffrey mendelson
geoffreymendel...@gmail.com wrote:
Ouch, that brings back another UBUNTU problem. It does not install Java (are
most programs) in /usr/bin. It installs them in /usr/bin under another name,
or eleswhere. Then it links /etc/alternatives/name to
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 04:08 -0700, Elazar Leibovich wrote:
Not at all!
Google for Microsoft SDL, it was not always the case, but nowadays
they have excellent security awareness.
For example, see evidence for the change here:
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Elazar Leibovich elaz...@gmail.com wrote:
Keep in mind that a programmer can also be your average non-techie Joe who
learned how to program with Visual Studio/Eclipse. This is the case for some
people in my team. They rarely know what's going behind the curtains
I'd probably give bonus points to a distro that allows you to check a
Development box at install time.
Fedora had that back when it was called Fedora Core, but I haven't
used it since then.
--
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http://bido.com
http://what-is-what.com
On Tuesday 11 May 2010 16:04:29 Amos Shapira wrote:
On 11 May 2010 22:01, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com
wrote:
On May 11, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Ubuntu packages three Javas, but only the Sun Java has any worth. The
other two only serve to mess up Sun Java
Why do you think that MS believe in security by obscurity? I believe that
security problems in MS products are generally speaking being released to
the wild.
Why I think MS products has better chance to be secure than your local Joe
Software shop, because they're having strict policies which are
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 20:23 +0300, Elazar Leibovich wrote:
Why do you think that MS believe in security by obscurity? I believe
that security problems in MS products are generally speaking being
released to the wild.
Why I think MS products has better chance to be secure than your local
Joe
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 19:54 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I'd probably give bonus points to a distro that allows you to check a
Development box at install time.
Fedora had that back when it was called Fedora Core, but I haven't
used it since then.
Fedora still has it. (Development tools
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 10:42 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
On 11 May 2010 07:53, mivzakim.net linux...@mivzakim.net wrote:
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, here's my list from my Ford. It's a Focus, though, not a Fiesta:
Dude, that's [sadly?[ one
Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il writes:
Later on, when I worked on Fedora, I was able to install Postfix as
well as sendmail (the Fedora default) because I could play with the
symlinks in /etc/alternatives and other places.
Today you don't need to play with anything:
$ cat
Yes, every word of it. You don't want to see my list of problems with my
N-95!
(Or KDE :))
- Gilboa subscribed to a number of your BZ reports Davara.
That list is 1300 bugs long, and I've got about another 400 left to file!
--
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http://bido.com
http://what-is-what.com
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 08:53:46PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 19:54 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I'd probably give bonus points to a distro that allows you to check a
Development box at install time.
Fedora had that back when it was called Fedora Core, but I
I guess we'll stay divided, but still, for the sake of the completion I want
to clarify my argument.
My point is, that some security decisions (for example, the Tuesday patch
you mentioned), even if they are very wrong (and obviously, MS security guys
would beg to differ) doesn't play a very big
On Tue, 11 May 2010 04:08:39 -0700
Elazar Leibovich elaz...@gmail.com wrote:
Not at all!
Google for Microsoft SDL, it was not always the case, but nowadays they
have excellent security awareness.
For example, see evidence for the change here:
On Tue, 11 May 2010 23:50:49 +0300
Elazar Leibovich elaz...@gmail.com wrote:
I guess we'll stay divided, but still, for the sake of the completion I want
to clarify my argument.
My point is, that some security decisions (for example, the Tuesday patch
you mentioned), even if they are very
I left windows on my last remaining because I got tired of having to wait
hours for the virus scans every time I turned on the machine. True that was
with XP, but a company that thrives on market domination, corruption to
accomplish said domination, and is known to have bugs around for years, is
I think you have to make a distinction between older MS software (such as
XP) and newer ones (such as 7). For example you defenitely don't run as
administrator in Windows 7, and you've got a built-in sudo like system.
I, like some people who replied, had bad experience managing Windows
machines,
This is a very disturbing problem, and actually it sounds as a dealbreaker.
I assume you did not find a workaround, but did you find some other
documentation to the problem on Launchpad/Xorg issue tracker/blogs?
Thanks for the valuable input!
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:42 AM, Orna Agmon
2010/5/12 Elazar Leibovich elaz...@gmail.com
I think you have to make a distinction between older MS software (such as
XP) and newer ones (such as 7). For example you defenitely don't run as
administrator in Windows 7, and you've got a built-in sudo like system.
I, like some people who
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 20:16 +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 08:53:46PM +0300, Gilboa Davara wrote:
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 19:54 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
I'd probably give bonus points to a distro that allows you to check a
Development box at install time.
On May 12, 2010, at 8:22 AM, Gilboa Davara wrote:
Though, I doubt that the OP will care if he's installing Linux from a
single LiveCD or from an installation DVD. (I would assume that if
he's
talking about multiple machines, the DVD version will be far less
bandwidth hog)
Actually it
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote:
On Tuesday 11 May 2010 16:04:29 Amos Shapira wrote:
On 11 May 2010 22:01, geoffrey mendelson geoffreymendel...@gmail.com
wrote:
On May 11, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
Ubuntu packages three Javas, but only
is better, but a listing of common problems
typical to Ubuntu, and how are they solved with other distributions)
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On May 10, 2010, at 5:05 PM, Elazar Leibovich wrote:
I remeber a few times where users of this mailing list were arguing
that ubuntu is a very problematic distribution.
I'm evaluating a distribution for developer desktop.
Ubuntu seems fitting mainly due to the hardware detection and the
of common problems
typical to Ubuntu, and how are they solved with other distributions)
Ubuntu has been around for almost 6 years. I doubt there is something
like problems typical to Ubuntu.
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(or even worse, a flame war)
about which distribution is better, but a listing of common problems typical
to Ubuntu, and how are they solved with other distributions)
I use and recommend Ubuntu. This is my current deal breaker bug, though:
Video problem: External monitor wavy, unreadable. ati radeon
I once had a white Ford Fiesta that was giving me engine trouble. Can someone
send me an *informative* list of problems in Ford cars (preferably white) and
how they solved it?
Sure, here's my list from my Ford. It's a Focus, though, not a Fiesta:
• Front seats recline with dial: cannot be
(or even worse, a flame
war)
about which distribution is better, but a listing of common problems
typical
to Ubuntu, and how are they solved with other distributions)
I use and recommend Ubuntu. This is my current deal breaker bug, though:
Video problem: External monitor wavy, unreadable
, this is *not *ment to be a discussion (or even worse, a flame
war) about which distribution is better, but a listing of common problems
typical to Ubuntu, and how are they solved with other distributions)
Ubuntu has been around for almost 6 years. I doubt there is something
like problems typical
On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 22:10 +0300, Elazar Leibovich wrote:
For example, Microsoft is now known for excellent security review
practices. Whichever MS software I choose, I can rest assured that it
will be relatively on the high end of security.
Hidden sarcasm?
- Gilboa
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote:
Sure, here's my list from my Ford. It's a Focus, though, not a Fiesta:
• Front seats recline with dial: cannot be moved quickly.
• Cannot lock doors from inside when leaving car. When trying to
manually lock with the
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