Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
Quoting e2xbegqsdyt21hfc, from the post of Mon, 16 Feb: Didn't you meant to say that you are tired of the poor results and low return of your many efforts? Are we now allowing both noobs AND trolls? nobody sent me the memo. -- Sith Lord Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 00:33:35 Ira Abramov wrote: Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Mon, 16 Feb: Please don't take it so hard. It's just normal artifact of a club meeting that requires no RSVP. Maybe. But I've noticed a gradual dwindling in the number of Telux attendees in the past months, and it makes me unhappy. Well, I can tell you that my favorite channel for event updates these days is an ical subscription to my Google Calendar. that way I can see it in my calendar, get a (free!) SMS reminder before the event and/or an Email to remind me a few hours or days before it (no need for mailing list) or as RSS (no need for you to feed me). We have a Google Calendar. Search for Google Calendar on http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/ . I believe Google provides iCal or whatever. So you can subscribe to our calendar using most standards-compliant calendering tool. However, since Google is starting to irk me lately, that may change in favor of T-bird+lightning (I haven't tested how it handles ical subscriptions) Fair enough. You can subscribe to our iCal using it as well. I'm not on FB and won't be on it for the near future, so that's not a good option for advertising to me. Facebook is not the only way to learn of upcoming Telux activities. requiring people to RSVP probably won't work. Can't require, but you can always ask, so see if ANYONE is intending to come. if more than 5 reply, you know you are good. if none reply you may still get 5-10 people showing up, but you will know when you can lower expectations (and buy less cookies) Good idea. Regards, Shlomi Fish I realise there are fluctuations. But like I said we've been on a negative trend. Now you know how I felt back in 2000... -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/ways_to_do_it.html maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 04:57:11 e2xbegqsdyt21hfc wrote: 1) At its current state, I think the only importance of telux is having a suitable place to meet if the need arise. 2) I won't have a presentation in telux (and not else where too) in the foreseeable future. 3) I doubt if I will come to a meeting in telux (and not else where too) in the foreseeble future 4) I will understand, and won't take it against you, if you stop. I see. I'm tired of being the only one who cares and volunteers. Shlomi Fish How can you say that when others come to hear and give talks? Didn't you meant to say that you are tired of the poor results and low return of your many efforts? It's a form of expression and it was partly my frustration talking. Naturally, there are other people who volunteer, but not too many and not often and consistently enough. BTW, people who look at your Yahoo username may think you're a spammer or a script kiddie or whatever. That was my first thought before I read the rest of your email. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ The Human Hacking Field Guide - http://xrl.us/bjn8q maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Tue, 17 Feb: We have a Google Calendar. Search for Google Calendar on I know, I've been subscribed to it for a while. I'm not on FB and won't be on it for the near future, so that's not a good option for advertising to me. Facebook is not the only way to learn of upcoming Telux activities. that's a good thing :-) lower expectations (and buy less cookies) Good idea. Yup, my diet already lost me over 10kg... -- Shadow on the wall Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
Hi all! Yesterday we held a meeting where Zvi Devir gave his Windows Refund HOWTO, which was an interesting presentation about a widely-discussed topic, that received a lot of publicity. I publicised this meeting on several mailing lists, as well as on whatsup, linmagazine, and other forums. We also have some feeds, and a Google calendar for the events (also in iCal format) if people wish to subscribe to them exclusively. However, despite all that, only 5-6 people (including the presenter and me) came to hear the talk. The question is why? Zvi already advised me that next times I should approach TAU-specific channels and publicise it there. I'll talk with Eddie Aronovich, who is our contact in the university about it. However, it still doesn't explain why many previous Telux attendees, who are not associated with the university did not come. So: 1. What is the reason you did not come? 2. I set up a page about how you can help the club: http://wiki.osdc.org.il/index.php/OSDClub_-_How_You_Can_Help Please read it and any additions or suggestions will be welcome. - Would you prefer to deprecate Telux, and to announce that it was good while it lasted, but there's no point in organising further presentations? I'm tired of being the only one who cares and volunteers. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/ways_to_do_it.html maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
1. What is the reason you did not come? It's in Tel Aviv, I am in Haifa. So that there will be no mistake, I think that the subject is both interesting and important, even if few people show up it is _still_ important. -- Dotan Cohen http://what-is-what.com http://gibberish.co.il א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת ا-ب-ت-ث-ج-ح-خ-د-ذ-ر-ز-س-ش-ص-ض-ط-ظ-ع-غ-ف-ق-ك-ل-م-ن-ه-و-ي А-Б-В-Г-Д-Е-Ё-Ж-З-И-Й-К-Л-М-Н-О-П-Р-С-Т-У-Ф-Х-Ц-Ч-Ш-Щ-Ъ-Ы-Ь-Э-Ю-Я а-б-в-г-д-е-ё-ж-з-и-й-к-л-м-н-о-п-р-с-т-у-ф-х-ц-ч-ш-щ-ъ-ы-ь-э-ю-я ä-ö-ü-ß-Ä-Ö-Ü ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
I am sorry I could not come although I really wanted to come. I had some personal problems that prevented me from going yesterday. Everything is Ok now. I myself satisfied with the way Shlomi advertises the activities, however it seems we need to find more advertising channels. -- Ori Idan On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: Hi all! Yesterday we held a meeting where Zvi Devir gave his Windows Refund HOWTO, which was an interesting presentation about a widely-discussed topic, that received a lot of publicity. I publicised this meeting on several mailing lists, as well as on whatsup, linmagazine, and other forums. We also have some feeds, and a Google calendar for the events (also in iCal format) if people wish to subscribe to them exclusively. However, despite all that, only 5-6 people (including the presenter and me) came to hear the talk. The question is why? Zvi already advised me that next times I should approach TAU-specific channels and publicise it there. I'll talk with Eddie Aronovich, who is our contact in the university about it. However, it still doesn't explain why many previous Telux attendees, who are not associated with the university did not come. So: 1. What is the reason you did not come? 2. I set up a page about how you can help the club: http://wiki.osdc.org.il/index.php/OSDClub_-_How_You_Can_Help Please read it and any additions or suggestions will be welcome. - Would you prefer to deprecate Telux, and to announce that it was good while it lasted, but there's no point in organising further presentations? I'm tired of being the only one who cares and volunteers. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/ways_to_do_it.html maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Telux mailing list te...@hamakor.org.il http://hamakor.org.il/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/telux ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
Shlomi, Shlomi Fish wrote: Yesterday we held a meeting where Zvi Devir gave his Windows Refund HOWTO, which was an interesting presentation about a widely-discussed topic, that received a lot of publicity. I publicised this meeting on several mailing lists, as well as on whatsup, linmagazine, and other forums. We also have some feeds, and a Google calendar for the events (also in iCal format) if people wish to subscribe to them exclusively. However, despite all that, only 5-6 people (including the presenter and me) came to hear the talk. The question is why? Please don't take it so hard. It's just normal artifact of a club meeting that requires no RSVP. In Herzelinux we've just had two very interesting lectures, one three weeks after the other: 6 people showed up to the first and over 25 to the second (we ran out of chairs in the room...). It just depends on a bazillion things going on in people's life. Maybe there was a good soccer match yesterday :-) I'd suggest adding an RSVP option to meetings and only doing the meeting if enough people RSVP but I sort of doubt that this will work... Gilad -- Gilad Ben-Yossef Chief Coffee Drinker Codefidence Ltd. The code is free, your time isn't.(TM) Web:http://codefidence.com Email: gi...@codefidence.com Office: +972-8-9316883 ext. 201 Fax:+972-8-9316885 Mobile: +972-52-8260388 The Doctor: Don't worry, Reinette, just a nightmare. Everyone has nightmares. Even monsters from under the bed have nightmares, don't you, monster? Reinette: What do monsters have nightmares about? The Doctor: Me! ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
Hi, I have found that people intend to subscribe to mailing lists more than to read RSS or visit some websites every few days. Unless you are going to advertise the lectures in sites such as Slashdot, I think most of the audience would prefer a mailing list, open for announcements only, and will advertise every single talk, on every subject, by every local user group all over to country. If things will go well this way, you may be able to use more advanced methods (such as a Wordpress installation with categories feed) in the future. Tomer 2009/2/16 Ori Idan o...@helicontech.co.il I am sorry I could not come although I really wanted to come. I had some personal problems that prevented me from going yesterday. Everything is Ok now. I myself satisfied with the way Shlomi advertises the activities, however it seems we need to find more advertising channels. -- Tomer Cohen http://tomercohen.com ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
On Monday 16 February 2009 13:18:48 Dotan Cohen wrote: 1. What is the reason you did not come? It's in Tel Aviv, I am in Haifa. Fair enough. Haifa Residents weren't exactly my audience in asking this question. So that there will be no mistake, I think that the subject is both interesting and important, even if few people show up it is _still_ important. Right, but I would prefer if more did. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Funny Anti-Terrorism Story - http://xrl.us/bjn7t maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
On Monday 16 February 2009 13:22:04 Ori Idan wrote: I am sorry I could not come although I really wanted to come. I had some personal problems that prevented me from going yesterday. I see. Everything is Ok now. I myself satisfied with the way Shlomi advertises the activities, however it seems we need to find more advertising channels. Right. The question is which? The Israeli forums such as Tapuz, Nana, Walla, etc. are popular, but I personally cannot stand using them. I'd be happy to aid anyone who volunteers to post there, but so far no one volunteered. If someone can give me a script to post there (that accepts HTML or something as input), that would also be good, and I can make a good use of it. I may have been missing some Israeli Linux sites such as zulo or linux.israel.net. Furthermore, does NRG or YNet accept such announcements? Zvi suggested publicising using TAU-specific resources such as the students' association. I'll have to ask Eddie about that. I recall running into many forums on various Israeli sites that may allow posting to them. I personally don't frequent any of them, but others. Otherwise, why don't people blog about such events on their blogs? Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Why I Love Perl - http://xrl.us/bjn88 maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
On Monday 16 February 2009 13:47:35 Tomer Cohen wrote: Hi, I have found that people intend to subscribe to mailing lists more than to read RSS or visit some websites every few days. Unless you are going to advertise the lectures in sites such as Slashdot, I think most of the audience would prefer a mailing list, open for announcements only, and will advertise every single talk, on every subject, by every local user group all over to country. If things will go well this way, you may be able to use more advanced methods (such as a Wordpress installation with categories feed) in the future. Sounds like a good suggestion. Shachar (CCed to this message) - may you please set up an eve...@hamakor.org.il mailing list, making it restricted to posts only by admins (and/or a selected group of email addresses), without a reply- to-address, and making me an admin capable of making other people able to post? I should also note that my request to have a new mailing list for the people who administer the web-sites and other infrastructure (which you agreed to) is long overdue. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Understand what Open Source is - http://xrl.us/bjn82 maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
On Monday 16 February 2009 13:44:34 Nadav Vinik wrote: On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il wrote: Hi all! Yesterday we held a meeting where Zvi Devir gave his Windows Refund HOWTO, which was an interesting presentation about a widely-discussed topic, that received a lot of publicity. I publicised this meeting on several mailing lists, as well as on whatsup, linmagazine, and other forums. We also have some feeds, and a Google calendar for the events (also in iCal format) if people wish to subscribe to them exclusively. However, despite all that, only 5-6 people (including the presenter and me) came to hear the talk. The question is why? Zvi already advised me that next times I should approach TAU-specific channels and publicise it there. I'll talk with Eddie Aronovich, who is our contact in the university about it. However, it still doesn't explain why many previous Telux attendees, who are not associated with the university did not come. So: 1. What is the reason you did not come? The same reasons for the rest of the lectures which I didn't come: It's start to early in 6:30 and need to go out from work even earlier.. We've had similar discussions before. The problems with starting it later is: 1. The building gets closed at 20:30-21:00 . So we won't have a lot of time. 2. People tend to become tired so late into the night. 3. Some people have to return home early. (like K12 students, etc.) --- Note that getting to the meeting later is probably better than not coming at all. And I should note that other people and I have voiced our sentiments against the current practices of many weekly hours of work: http://xrl.us/begfcc . Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Best Introductory Programming Language - http://xrl.us/bjn84 maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
On Monday 16 February 2009 13:41:45 Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote: Shlomi, Shlomi Fish wrote: Yesterday we held a meeting where Zvi Devir gave his Windows Refund HOWTO, which was an interesting presentation about a widely-discussed topic, that received a lot of publicity. I publicised this meeting on several mailing lists, as well as on whatsup, linmagazine, and other forums. We also have some feeds, and a Google calendar for the events (also in iCal format) if people wish to subscribe to them exclusively. However, despite all that, only 5-6 people (including the presenter and me) came to hear the talk. The question is why? Please don't take it so hard. It's just normal artifact of a club meeting that requires no RSVP. Maybe. But I've noticed a gradual dwindling in the number of Telux attendees in the past months, and it makes me unhappy. In Herzelinux we've just had two very interesting lectures, one three weeks after the other: 6 people showed up to the first and over 25 to the second (we ran out of chairs in the room...). It just depends on a bazillion things going on in people's life. Maybe there was a good soccer match yesterday :-) I realise there are fluctuations. But like I said we've been on a negative trend. I'd suggest adding an RSVP option to meetings and only doing the meeting if enough people RSVP but I sort of doubt that this will work... You can already RSVP to the event using Facebook. Not sure how many people bother doing that, or are on facebook, etc. And I still would rather have a meeting with a small attendance, than no meeting at all. And like you said requiring people to RSVP probably won't work. Regards, Shlomi Fish -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/ways_to_do_it.html maukeI'm not interested in what you're doing; what are you trying to achieve? PerlJam mauke: I'm trying to achieve world peace and this regex is the last thing standing in my way! ;) ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
Quoting Shlomi Fish, from the post of Mon, 16 Feb: Please don't take it so hard. It's just normal artifact of a club meeting that requires no RSVP. Maybe. But I've noticed a gradual dwindling in the number of Telux attendees in the past months, and it makes me unhappy. Well, I can tell you that my favorite channel for event updates these days is an ical subscription to my Google Calendar. that way I can see it in my calendar, get a (free!) SMS reminder before the event and/or an Email to remind me a few hours or days before it (no need for mailing list) or as RSS (no need for you to feed me). However, since Google is starting to irk me lately, that may change in favor of T-bird+lightning (I haven't tested how it handles ical subscriptions) I'm not on FB and won't be on it for the near future, so that's not a good option for advertising to me. requiring people to RSVP probably won't work. Can't require, but you can always ask, so see if ANYONE is intending to come. if more than 5 reply, you know you are good. if none reply you may still get 5-10 people showing up, but you will know when you can lower expectations (and buy less cookies) I realise there are fluctuations. But like I said we've been on a negative trend. Now you know how I felt back in 2000... -- Boy genious Ira Abramov http://ira.abramov.org/email/ ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: How You Can Help the Tel Aviv Open Source Club
1) At its current state, I think the only importance of telux is having a suitable place to meet if the need arise. 2) I won't have a presentation in telux (and not else where too) in the foreseeable future. 3) I doubt if I will come to a meeting in telux (and not else where too) in the foreseeble future 4) I will understand, and won't take it against you, if you stop. I'm tired of being the only one who cares and volunteers. Shlomi Fish How can you say that when others come to hear and give talks? Didn't you meant to say that you are tired of the poor results and low return of your many efforts? ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
