OT: ATM was: Re: nvidia on slashdot

2004-07-06 Thread Carey Evans
Michael JasonSmith wrote: While I am thinking of things that became popular because they are free, think of the Internet, which is only successful because anyone can implement the standards, suggest new standards, or alter the existing ones. ATM, which was designed to perform the same task as the

Re: Obfuscated perl Re: date with unix format date

2004-07-06 Thread Zane Gilmore
This code doesn't appear to work. How do you get it to work? and what does it do?

History of GNU uname's -o option, and GNU/Linux

2004-07-06 Thread Carl Cerecke
uname has been around a long time (GNU and others), but the -o option is relatively recent. Back in Nov 1994, the sh-utils tarball included uname (download it: http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/sh-utils/). This was well after Linux started, in fact, the kernel was heading towards 1.2 at that stage.

Re: Obfuscated perl Re: date with unix format date

2004-07-06 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Tuesday 06 July 2004 20:12, Zane Gilmore wrote: This code doesn't appear to work. It works for me. How do you get it to work? Save to a file and execute it thus:- perl camelObs.pl and what does it do? Ascii art picture of ships of the desert passing by. Very very clever. Almost as good as

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Dale Anderson
Being that uname can and has been patched , has been broken in more ways than one in its existance and currently still requires patches in latest coreutils to return the expected output ...I dont quite see how this provides closure (tm) ...nor is it really worthwhile. Dale. InfoHelp wrote:

Re: Obfuscated perl Re: date with unix format date

2004-07-06 Thread Carl Cerecke
Christopher Sawtell wrote: On Tuesday 06 July 2004 20:12, Zane Gilmore wrote: and what does it do? Ascii art picture of ships of the desert passing by. Actually, to be more precise, it produces 1/4 size ascii art pictures of its own source code, which, in this case, just happens to be shaped in

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:47:00 +1200, Michael JasonSmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 13:41, InfoHelp wrote: As a means of progressing this issue towards useful closure, please go to a terminal console. Issue these commands: $ uname -s (--kernel-name) $ uname -o

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Carl Cerecke
InfoHelp wrote: The idea was to get a representative sample of distro usage - as wide as possible. But you're actually getting a sample of uname usage, of course. Which means very little, because they probably all use the GNU coreutils uname if they are on Linux, which will return the same thing

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 20:52, InfoHelp wrote: On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:47:00 +1200, Michael JasonSmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 13:41, InfoHelp wrote: As a means of progressing this issue towards useful closure, please go to a terminal console. Issue these

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:40:20 +1200, Dale Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being that uname can and has been patched , has been broken in more ways than one in its existance and currently still requires patches in latest coreutils to return the expected output ...I dont quite see how this

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
Edit, less haste: On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:04:51 +1200, InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:40:20 +1200, Dale Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being that uname can and has been patched , has been broken in more ways than one in its existance and currently still requires

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Christopher Sawtell
On Tuesday 06 July 2004 21:04, InfoHelp wrote: Is it or is it not a statement by the Distro team of what type Operating System they are distributing? It is not. It does not give you the information you are expecting. If you wish to discover what distros are in use, you will either have to be

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Dale Anderson
Well I dont see how distros patching uname to display such proves anything ...SCO group is pretty much a ship with too smaller bailing buckets InfoHelp wrote: Edit, less haste: On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:04:51 +1200, InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:40:20 +1200,

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
I read the thread - it proves my point. Unchanged uname means an fsck-lot more than your anti-RMS vendetta. Get a life. Please. On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:04:32 +1200, Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 20:52, InfoHelp wrote: On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 13:47:00 +1200, Michael JasonSmith

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2004-07-06T134116+1200, InfoHelp wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rik $ uname -s Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] rik $ uname -o GNU/Linux $ uname -o -s Linux SCO/Linux Also, all you people running uname(1) twice are wasting massive amounts of resources. Think of penalty you, your family, and most of

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 21:08, InfoHelp wrote: Edit, less haste: On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 21:04:51 +1200, InfoHelp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 20:40:20 +1200, Dale Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Being that uname can and has been patched , has been broken in more ways

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 21:16, InfoHelp wrote: I read the thread - it proves my point. Unchanged uname means an fsck-lot more than your anti-RMS vendetta. what does an unpatched uname mean and what is the point? the truth is it does not prove anything. I have nothing against RMS, except I

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread steve
Matthew Gregan wrote: At 2004-07-06T134116+1200, InfoHelp wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] rik $ uname -s Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] rik $ uname -o GNU/Linux $ uname -o -s Linux SCO/Linux Also, all you people running uname(1) twice are wasting massive amounts of resources. Think of penalty you, your

Re: date with unix format date

2004-07-06 Thread Alasdair Tennant
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 09:56:40 +1200 Nick Rout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do I turn a unix date (like seconds since sometime in the past I think) to something human readable? $ echo puts [clock format 1088527745] | tclsh Wed Jun 30 04:49:05 NZST 2004 -- Alasdair Tennant Dunedin New Zealand

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread steve
Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 21:16, InfoHelp wrote: I read the thread - it proves my point. Unchanged uname means an fsck-lot more than your anti-RMS vendetta. what does an unpatched uname mean and what is the point? [snip] Unpatched means download the source, compile, run.

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Nick Rout
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 21:51, steve wrote: Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 21:16, InfoHelp wrote: I read the thread - it proves my point. Unchanged uname means an fsck-lot more than your anti-RMS vendetta. what does an unpatched uname mean and what is the point?

Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread steve
Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 21:51, steve wrote: Nick Rout wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 21:16, InfoHelp wrote: I read the thread - it proves my point. Unchanged uname means an fsck-lot more than your anti-RMS vendetta. what does an unpatched uname mean and

Re: Anyone else having problems with the latest nvidia stuff?

2004-07-06 Thread steve
Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote: Are you sure you have the latest nvidia drivers? When I updated my Gentoo-dev-sources kernel to 2.6.7 the nvidia 1.0.4496 driver stopped working. The forums suggested I upgrade to 1.0.5328 and voila - it worked. Regards, Robert -Original Message- From:

CGI script

2004-07-06 Thread G Chinnery
I have a small cgi script called syswatch (http://syswatch.sourceforge.net) that I have running nicely on my web server. I have tried to get info from the list for this program but it seems dead so i thought I would ask my question here. I would like to know how I can run this cgi so it will

Gettin crafty with Wine

2004-07-06 Thread Andy George
I wonder... if it's possible to run EXPLORER.EXE from windows 9*, in wine, and have it execute windows apps from there... Has anyone ever tried this? Andy George DJ for the Mr Whippy Van

Re: Gettin crafty with Wine

2004-07-06 Thread Dale Anderson
Yes ..check google there are various sites explaining how to do it ...requires a few other native dll's etc etc ...otherewise check out www.codeweavers.com ..only question is why ? Dale. On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 07:40, Andy George wrote: I wonder... if it's possible to run EXPLORER.EXE from

Re: CGI script

2004-07-06 Thread steve
G Chinnery wrote: I have a small cgi script called syswatch (http://syswatch.sourceforge.net) that I have running nicely on my web server. I have tried to get info from the list for this program but it seems dead so i thought I would ask my question here. I would like to know how I can run

Re: CGI script

2004-07-06 Thread Dave van Leeuwen
Hi, Shouldn't be to hard. It depends on which way you are comfortable with ie security, no hacking You could rewrite/modify syswatch.c to run the command on a remote machine via ssh ( not good as you web server has remote shell access to your other servers), or have the perl script run

OT - fun for the winter

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
http://www.gnomes.co.nz :-) -- GNU/Linux Users - charting a course Fedora/SuSE/Mandrake-Slackware/Gentoo/LFS-(Perl/Linux)-Debian/BSD-GNU/Hurd

Re: OT: ATM was: Re: nvidia on slashdot

2004-07-06 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 19:43, Carey Evans wrote: Linux has good support for ATM [snip] Its designers probably didn't think it would be relegated to the link layer of home Internet connections though. Exactly, ATM is normally only used as the link-layer, rather than the full protocol stack :) --

Re: Documentation licenses Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 17:37, Douglas Royds wrote: How about this one: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ Comments anyone? I personally like the share-alike aspect of the above licence; I suspect more submitters would be happy with

Re: History of GNU uname's -o option, and GNU/Linux

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
Actually, there is a lot more to this.. Mainly it's about the M$/SCO thing, our collective response. Call it OT, or call it future-proofing - the commercial/private sector is affected by the outcome. Or are our discussions limited to the interests of 5% of world PC users only? Very helpful

Re: History of GNU uname's -o option, and GNU/Linux

2004-07-06 Thread InfoHelp
edit, to have read: InfoHelp wrote: Carl Cerecke wrote: Now, we have Linux the OS, and Linux the kernel. If there is a need to differentiate, we can say Linux distribution, and Linux kernel. And in the former case - that of commercial distribution - Linux - GNU/Linux (.. Don't make the libs, use

Re: Documentation licenses Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Jim Cheetham
Michael JasonSmith wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 17:37, Douglas Royds wrote: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ I personally like the share-alike aspect of the above licence; I suspect more submitters would be happy with http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/ which just

Re: Documentation licenses Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 15:26, Jim Cheetham wrote: In a wiki environment, as I see it, there is no way to guarantee to preserve attribution easily. Changes are logged, but contributors might be anonymous. You could allow the users to provide a user-name and password before they edit. That way

RE: CGI script

2004-07-06 Thread C. Falconer
I looked at the cgi script, and thought this is bollocks All that information is a quick command away, and you've probably got an xterm running on any important machine in the network anyway. I've been looking at Big Brother lately, but its not particularly obvious what I'm doing wrong... I have

Re: Gettin crafty with Wine

2004-07-06 Thread Alasdair Tennant
OOh. If it were so easy . ...! Yes and No. IIRC Windows starts the Graphics Desktop Manager, then the first instance of Windows Explorer as the desktop widgets - I expect this is what you're getting at. Subsequent instances will run as file managers. You can stop all instances of Explorer

pykota

2004-07-06 Thread Robert Fisher
Does anyone have a tar of pykota (a CUPS printer counting utility) which I could beg borrow or steal. A CVS version is available but we cannot get it at work as ssh port 22 is blocked. -- Robert Fisher www.fisher.net.nz

Fwd: [discuss] Look who's disrupting now: Sun

2004-07-06 Thread Wesley Parish
Something to discuss with work colleagues, etc, when the discussion turns to Open Source and whatever use is it to us? Wesley Parish - Forwarded message from Christian Einfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 19:06:43 -0700 From: Christian Einfeldt [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To:

Re: Documentation licenses Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Jim Cheetham
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Re: Documentation licenses Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Michael JasonSmith
On Wed, 2004-07-07 at 16:44, Jim Cheetham wrote: I'll have to track down some CC forums and see what other wiki owners think :-) There is the CC wiki :) http://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Get_Content but that is probably not what you are looking for as it is mainly concerned with

route to gateway

2004-07-06 Thread Ross Drummond
I have my routing table set up as follows; Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 eth0 127.0.0.0 * 255.0.0.0 U 0 00 lo

Re: route to gateway

2004-07-06 Thread Matthew Gregan
At 2004-07-07T171813+1200, Ross Drummond wrote: I want to set up a route to the gateway on 192.168.0.30. Whet is the command to set it up manually? RTFM. route(8) is the man page you want. It even has examples. Cheers, -mjg -- Matthew Gregan |/

Re: route to gateway

2004-07-06 Thread Mike Beattie
On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 05:18:13PM +1200, Ross Drummond wrote: I have my routing table set up as follows; Kernel IP routing table Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse Iface 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 eth0

Re: Documentation licenses Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Douglas Royds
Jim Cheetham wrote: Michael JasonSmith wrote: On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 17:37, Douglas Royds wrote: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ I personally like the share-alike aspect of the above licence; I suspect more submitters would be happy with

RE: Installfest

2004-07-06 Thread Michael
Maybe we should wait until mid next week (after the advertising in The Press and Buy Sell Exchange). Hopefully we will have more registrations by then. The installfest website leads you to believe that there are a lot of registrations... that would put me off as a potential customer. The

Re: Documentation licenses Re: GNU-less linux distributions

2004-07-06 Thread Douglas Royds
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