Re: Microsoft's mythical man-years

2002-04-13 Thread Bill Campbell
On Sat, Apr 13, 2002 at 10:32:32PM -0500, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: >It sure was. However, managers at my current company will blindly say that >MS is still the best solution and pour more dollars into it's products - >but then our IT manager and the corporation feels Compaq and HP ares the >bes

Re: built in support for device or modularized question

2002-04-13 Thread Tom Wilson
On Saturday 13 April 2002 10 22:55 pm, Kurt Wall's voice rose above the ones in my head and declared: > Scribbling feverishly on April 13, Tom Wilson managed to emit: > > Hi all, > > > > I got a box running Slackware 8 that I am gonna use to make a > > firewall and during a recompile of the kerne

Re: Microsoft's mythical man-years

2002-04-13 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
It sure was. However, managers at my current company will blindly say that MS is still the best solution and pour more dollars into it's products - but then our IT manager and the corporation feels Compaq and HP ares the best choices for PCs so that's what we have to buy. Net Llama! wrote:

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
I checked the website. Looks pretty neat. I have an AMD dual 1.9 that I'll be setting up in the near future so I might look at it. Collins wrote: > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:43:22 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> >> Net Llama! wrote: Snip >> > >> > The latest "must have"

Re: Microsoft's mythical man-years

2002-04-13 Thread Kurt Wall
Scribbling feverishly on April 13, Net Llama! managed to emit: > Really good reading: > >http://www.salon.com/tech/col/rose/2002/04/12/microsoft_man_months/index.html?CP=RDF&DN=310 Indeed. Whatever else one might say about Fred Brooks, his key insight, throwing more developers at a project doesn

Re: built in support for device or modularized question

2002-04-13 Thread Tom Wilson
Thanks Joel. I give those a whirl and see if I can pull it off. On Saturday 13 April 2002 10 22:53 pm, Joel Hammer's voice rose above the ones in my head and declared: > You can pass parameters at boot time, and they can, if memory serves, > be put into lilo.conf. > Here is what I have in min

Re: built in support for device or modularized question

2002-04-13 Thread Kurt Wall
Scribbling feverishly on April 13, Tom Wilson managed to emit: > Hi all, > > I got a box running Slackware 8 that I am gonna use to make a firewall > and during a recompile of the kernel, I made the support for my NE2000 > clone ISA ethernet cards part of the kernel instead of a module by > mi

Re: built in support for device or modularized question

2002-04-13 Thread Joel Hammer
You can pass parameters at boot time, and they can, if memory serves, be put into lilo.conf. Here is what I have in mine. image = /vmlinuz.works.Jan222000 label = LinuxJan22 root = /dev/hda3 read-only append = "aha152x=0x340,12,7 ether=0,0,eth1, hdc=52946,16,63"

built in support for device or modularized question

2002-04-13 Thread Tom Wilson
Hi all, I got a box running Slackware 8 that I am gonna use to make a firewall and during a recompile of the kernel, I made the support for my NE2000 clone ISA ethernet cards part of the kernel instead of a module by mistake and didn't realize until I was done that I did it. During start up

Microsoft's mythical man-years

2002-04-13 Thread Net Llama!
Really good reading: http://www.salon.com/tech/col/rose/2002/04/12/microsoft_man_months/index.html?CP=RDF&DN=310 -- ~ L. Friedman[EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux Step-by-step: h

Re: installation

2002-04-13 Thread M.W.Chang
and the war against microsoft could have been begun earlier. It's the shared libraries that M$ wanna control. "Net Llama!" wrote: > > On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, dep wrote: > > begin Net Llama!'s quote: > > | This 'feature' is called static binaries. Its what prevents reuse > > | of common libraries,

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Kurt Wall
Scribbling feverishly on April 13, Pam R managed to emit: [whack] > Don't forget the linux motto: "Release early, release often, and fsck the > customer" I don't use software that evinces such an attitude, at least the third element. I hope that was written with tongue firmly in cheek... Kurt

Re: How to recover the first .config file

2002-04-13 Thread Kurt Wall
Scribbling feverishly on April 13, patrick Kapturkiewicz managed to emit: > Hi, > I wish to modify some parameters like shmmax directly > in /usr/src/linux/include without remaking entirely > the original kernel. > Is there a way to recover the first .config file > (installation's one which doesn'

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Net Llama!
Philip J. Koenig wrote: > 0.9.8. When I looked at what changed in 0.9.9 I didn't think there > was anything worth running out and upgrading for. Mostly cosmetic > stuff or stuff I don't use. If you use Mozilla, then you use the stuff that was improved in Mozilla-0.9.9. For starters its more

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Philip J. Koenig
On 13 Apr 2002, at 9:30, Tim Wunder boldly uttered: > Previously, Philip J. Koenig chose to write: > > On 12 Apr 2002, at 23:02, Brett I. Holcomb boldly uttered: > > > I realize the OSS purists yell four-letter words at the thought, but > > you should also consider Opera. If Mozilla runs on Li

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Philip J. Koenig
On 13 Apr 2002, at 6:41, Collins boldly uttered: > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:09:05 -0700 "Philip J. Koenig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I run Opera and Netscape on my (admittedly not extremely > > cutting-edge stock Caldera eWkstn 3.1) Linux/KDE box, and it puts > > Netscape 4 to shame. Been

Re: net work stuff

2002-04-13 Thread Rick Sivernell
List Thanks the requested info from you guys lead me to the problem in nsswitch host line had file before dns I got it fixed and now have the net cheers Rick Sivernell Dallas, Texas 75287 972 306-2296 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Caldera Open Linux eWorkStation 3.1.1 Registered Linux User .~.

Re: New list feature!

2002-04-13 Thread Douglas J Hunley
On Saturday 13 April 2002 07:46, David A. Bandel wrote: > And just which virii is this File::Scan protecting us Linux users from? > Windoze? yes. and the theoretical linux ones ;) seriously, a good portion of this list is read from MS clients.. -- Douglas J Hunley (doug at hunley.homeip.net) - L

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Net Llama!
Collins wrote: > On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:25:03 -0700 "Net Llama!" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Pam R wrote: > >>>On Saturday 13 April 2002 8:02 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: >>> >>>[ginormous snip] >>> >>> We thump the hell out of Microsoft for not getting products right until release 3.0. Why sho

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Collins
On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 12:25:03 -0700 "Net Llama!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Pam R wrote: > > On Saturday 13 April 2002 8:02 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: > > > > [ginormous snip] > > > >>We thump the hell out of Microsoft for not getting products right > >>until release 3.0. Why should we then exempt KDE

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Collins
On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:02:41 -0400 Kurt Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Scribbling feverishly on April 13, Collins managed to emit: > > [ snips ] > > [mondo snippage] > [ continued snippage ] > Why don't the developers fix the current problems before propagating > them to the next release? >

Re: Wine install

2002-04-13 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
Why not use RPMS or SRPMS? There is a wine release that is updated often for Caldera at http://www.lst.de/%7Emm/wine.html. That said, once you untar them you will find a directory called winesomething which is the top directory of the package. Look at the readme and INSTALL files in this an

Re: How to recover the first .config file

2002-04-13 Thread Net Llama!
patrick Kapturkiewicz wrote: > Hi, > I wish to modify some parameters like shmmax directly > in /usr/src/linux/include without remaking entirely > the original kernel. > Is there a way to recover the first .config file > (installation's one which doesn't exist in > /usr/src/linux) and how could i

How to recover the first .config file

2002-04-13 Thread patrick Kapturkiewicz
Hi, I wish to modify some parameters like shmmax directly in /usr/src/linux/include without remaking entirely the original kernel. Is there a way to recover the first .config file (installation's one which doesn't exist in /usr/src/linux) and how could i do that ? Thanks. Patrick

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Net Llama!
Pam R wrote: > On Saturday 13 April 2002 8:02 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: > > [ginormous snip] > >>We thump the hell out of Microsoft for not getting products right >>until release 3.0. Why should we then exempt KDE from the same >>standard of judgement? > > > Don't forget the linux motto: "Release e

Re: Wine install

2002-04-13 Thread Net Llama!
You do realize that version of wine is from Dec 2000, right? That's ancient old. Go to http://www.winehq.net and get something that's at least from year 2002. Lee wrote: > Finally moving away from rpms to tar.gz installs. Friend gave me a cd utility > disk . Wine is on the cd. I copied the f

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Pam R
On Saturday 13 April 2002 8:02 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: [ginormous snip] > > We thump the hell out of Microsoft for not getting products right > until release 3.0. Why should we then exempt KDE from the same > standard of judgement? Don't forget the linux motto: "Release early, release often, and fs

Wine install

2002-04-13 Thread Lee
Finally moving away from rpms to tar.gz installs. Friend gave me a cd utility disk . Wine is on the cd. I copied the file /mnt/cdrom/Wine/Wine20001222.tar.gz to a user directory called /homer/user/Wine. Untarred and gunzipped it with , tar -zxvf /home/user/Wine/Wine-20001222.tar.gz .Apparently

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Ian
Kurt Wall wrote: > > Scribbling feverishly on April 13, Collins managed to emit: > > [ snips ] > > [mondo snippage] > > > > Who knows. At this point I really can't see myself spending the > > > time to go to KDE 3 so if it's fixed fine, if not fine. > > > essentially telling people that the re

Re: net work stuff

2002-04-13 Thread Kurt Wall
Scribbling feverishly on April 13, Rick Sivernell managed to emit: > List > >Have installed ew 3.1.1 system w/ xfce, everything works except > I cannot get to internet. I have done the following: > > 1. compared all files on system that have ip address to working system, > all match up.

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
snipped Collins wrote: > [ snips ] > > On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:57:01 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Collins wrote: >> >> > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:09:05 -0700 "Philip J. Koenig" >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On 12 Apr 2002, at 23:02, Brett I. >> > Holcomb boldly uttere

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Kurt Wall
Scribbling feverishly on April 13, Collins managed to emit: > [ snips ] [mondo snippage] > > Who knows. At this point I really can't see myself spending the > > time to go to KDE 3 so if it's fixed fine, if not fine. > > essentially telling people that the release software is not > > supported

Re: net work stuff

2002-04-13 Thread Jay Nugent
Greetings, On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, Rick Sivernell wrote: > List > >Have installed ew 3.1.1 system w/ xfce, everything works except > I cannot get to internet. I have done the following: > > 1. compared all files on system that have ip address to working system, > all match up. > 2. checke

Re: net work stuff

2002-04-13 Thread Andrew Mathews
Rick Sivernell wrote: > > List > >Have installed ew 3.1.1 system w/ xfce, everything works except > I cannot get to internet. I have done the following: > > 1. compared all files on system that have ip address to working system, > all match up. > 2. checked all on router gateway for the

net work stuff

2002-04-13 Thread Rick Sivernell
List Have installed ew 3.1.1 system w/ xfce, everything works except I cannot get to internet. I have done the following: 1. compared all files on system that have ip address to working system, all match up. 2. checked all on router gateway for the same, all match up. 3. new machine can

Re: success story posted by linux.org

2002-04-13 Thread Joel Hammer
I went to the Mandrake site with linux success stories. None was about replacing large numbers of desktop computers with linux. I also notice that in the several articles I have seen about the Florida success story, the reporter only speaks to the IT guy in charge, We never hear from the end users

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Collins
[ snips ] On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:57:01 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Collins wrote: > > > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:09:05 -0700 "Philip J. Koenig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On 12 Apr 2002, at 23:02, Brett I. > > Holcomb boldly uttered: > > >> > Well, Konq is one reason

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
Collins wrote: > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:09:05 -0700 "Philip J. Koenig" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On 12 Apr 2002, at 23:02, Brett I. > Holcomb boldly uttered: > >> > Well, Konq is one reason I left KDE. Konq as a browser is useless >> > - it can't handle most of the pages I visit (and they ar

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Brett I. Holcomb
Thanks. I'll check it out. Collins wrote: > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:43:22 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb" >> >> Well, that's one way to make sure it all works. Who puts it out? >> > > www.gentoo.org > > Search the archives on this list for my comments over the past few > months. gentoo is the ver

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Tim Wunder
Previously, Philip J. Koenig chose to write: > On 12 Apr 2002, at 23:02, Brett I. Holcomb boldly uttered: > I realize the OSS purists yell four-letter words at the thought, but > you should also consider Opera. If Mozilla runs on Linux anything > like the way it runs on Windows, Opera will run r

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Collins
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:43:22 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> > Net Llama! wrote: > > > Brett I. Holcomb wrote: > > [SNIP] > >> open temp file " error. No fix for that one either. > > > > You've got the source, fix it! ;) > > ROFL! > > >> What's gentoo? > > > >

Re: Opinions on the "enlightenment" window manager

2002-04-13 Thread Collins
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:09:05 -0700 "Philip J. Koenig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On 12 Apr 2002, at 23:02, Brett I. Holcomb boldly uttered: > > > Well, Konq is one reason I left KDE. Konq as a browser is useless > > - it can't handle most of the pages I visit (and they aren't > > browser specif

Re: New list feature!

2002-04-13 Thread David A. Bandel
On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 21:43:47 -0400 begin Douglas J Hunley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth: > Just thought I'd let everyone know that all mailing lists on > linux-sxs.org (and anyone who has an email account on the box) is now > protected from viruses by File::Scan. And just which virii is this

Re: Getting together

2002-04-13 Thread David A. Bandel
On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 15:48:56 -0400 begin Keith Antoine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spewed forth: > On Friday 12 April 2002 07:23 pm, David A. Bandel wrote: > > > Well, since mid-Jan we've been in a bake oven down here in Panama > > (it's our summer, thankfully ending). Does the term Sirocco mean > > a