On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:35:23 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just tried to time the starts on three machines. The older version of
Star Office (6.0) let me count to 15 (one one thousand, two one thousand,
etc) before it was started on a 1 gig duron with 256meg. SO 5.2 on an .8
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 10:23 pm, Collins Richey wrote:
Slashdot: Experiences w/ Drive Imaging Software?
Microsoft supplies no method of backing up and restoring fully operational
copies of Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Microsoft's advice is to reinstall
the operating system and all
The first couple of reviews of Fedora were pretty fawning, but others
are starting to show up. Here's an example:
http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=5111
Gives the impression that Fedora needed more time in the oven.
Which isn't fatal. RH9 works great and it's no hardship to stick with it
IIRC, doesn't WinBlows XP only allow 3 reinstalls before you have to buy
another license?
OTOH, I have had no problem backing up and restoring 2K using Drive Image.
I'd like to do the same thing with a Linux product/App sometime,
recommendations?
Shawn
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 21:23:34 -0700
On SuSE, I have been using the OO pre-loader, or whatever it is called. It
does make loading faster. Odd that this seems not to be part of the SO 7
offering from Sun. At least not as an accessible item, as it is with OO.
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 06:42:01 -0700
Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:50:58 -0700
Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And the classic (unknown origin): The optimist believes that we live in the
best of all possible worlds; the pessimist believes that this is true.
Or my favorite:
A man has two sons, an optimist and a pessimist.
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:35:23 -0500
Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just tried to time the starts on three machines. The older version of
Star Office (6.0) let me count to 15 (one one thousand, two one thousand,
etc) before it was started on a 1 gig duron with 256meg. SO 5.2 on an .8
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:47:21 -0600
Alan Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 18:09:16 +0800
M.W. Chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
have you ever toyed with the Bayesian learner?
I wonder where SA stores her rules.
It's not *really* Bayesian - I don't think any of
And the classic (unknown origin): The optimist believes
that we live in the
best of all possible worlds; the pessimist believes that
this is true.
The saddest definition of a cynic I've come across (can't
remember the derivation at the moment, sorry) is:
A cynic is a frustrated
Collins Richey wrote:
Slashdot: Experiences w/ Drive Imaging Software?
Microsoft supplies no method of backing up and restoring fully operational
copies of Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Microsoft's advice is to reinstall the
operating system and all programs every time you want to move to a new
Well, now that you ask, yes they do as a matter of fact ;)
(But it can be from the same copy, or ghosted.)
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Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2003 9:57 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Collins Richey
Check this out! Look at the News that's Fit to Print. ie. News that SCO
doesn't object to because it roasts them.
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Collins Richey wrote:
If my memory serves me correctly, fedora is using the same philosophy that RH
used in the past. RH releases (at least until very recently) have always needed
more time in the oven.
In the past that was true of RH in my experience, but since about 7.1
their releases have
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Collins Richey wrote:
This is one reason I prefer the gentoo model - incremental releases (that
usually aren't too painful) over a long period. Unlike the RH approach, gentoo
doesn't mark a new compiler release as stable for common use until most all
packages work with the
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 13:03:00 -0600 Michael Hipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Collins Richey wrote:
If my memory serves me correctly, fedora is using the same philosophy that
RH used in the past. RH releases (at least until very recently) have always
needed more time in the oven.
In the
On 11/13/2003 2:19 PM, I believe that Collins Richey wrote:
snip
And the one missing element in RH-centric distros is a common repository of RPMs
for anything outside the core products. I've gotten spoiled by the gentoo
repository. Given the size of their CD set, I would presume that SuSE is
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:56 pm, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 15:34 pm, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Has anyone done an update to an existing 8.2 system? Or will I be in a
bad mood tomorrow evening?
I don't do updates anymore... just new installs but no one over
How do the existing distros compare regarding upgrades of
1. the core system?
2. applications external to the core system?
SuSE has an online update utility (through YAST) that will check for updates
to any program you have installed and download and include them. It does
dependency
Folks,
Since we've been talking about updates, I got this today from the Emperor
Linux folks, who installed RH on a couple of work laptops.
-Original Message-
Customers running Red Hat 9.0,
Red Hat has recently released a badly broken automatic update of GLIBC
and nptl onto
I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result.
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
Folks,
Since we've been talking about updates, I got this today from the Emperor
Linux folks, who installed RH on a couple of work laptops.
-Original Message-
Customers
On Thursday 13 November 2003 02:27 pm, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
How do the existing distros compare regarding upgrades of
1. the core system?
2. applications external to the core system?
SuSE has an online update utility (through YAST) that will check for
updates to any program you
Hey all,
I just had an interesting go-round with my newly-upgraded workstation.
I installed 2.6.0-test9 and found my mouse was behaving very strangely.
It jumped around the screen a lot, and the mousewheel was inoperative.
Nothing had changed except the kernel, so I dug into Google a bit and
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 20:19, Collins Richey wrote:
And the one missing element in RH-centric distros is a common repository of RPMs
for anything outside the core products. I've gotten spoiled by the gentoo
repository. Given the size of their CD set, I would presume that SuSE is much
better
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 22:09, Andrew L. Gould wrote:
I think Gentoo and Debian can upgrade themselves without release cd's; but how
much breakage occurs in the process?
I have never had breakage in Gentoo. The incremental approach makes it
better, I think. I do recall a problem with a glibc
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 21:03, Andrew L. Gould wrote:
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 02:56 pm, Bruce Marshall wrote:
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 15:34 pm, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Has anyone done an update to an existing 8.2 system? Or will I be in a
bad mood tomorrow evening?
I don't
For once I'm glad I procrastinated about installing a security update.
Thanks,
Michael
Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
Folks,
Since we've been talking about updates, I got this today from the Emperor
Linux folks, who installed RH on a couple of work laptops.
-Original Message-
Customers
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:43:37 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 22:09, Andrew L. Gould wrote:
I think Gentoo and Debian can upgrade themselves without release cd's; but
how much breakage occurs in the process?
I have never had breakage in Gentoo. The
It's been a long time since I programmed anything with financial-style
numbers in c, but I thought there was a printf option to put commas in
the numbers so you get 1,234,567 instead of the hard-to-read 1234567.
Is there a simple c way to do this or do I have to write it?
Michael
Redhat did re-release the packages about an hour ago. Fixed my problems on
RH9.
On 11/13/03 14:32, Michael Hipp wrote:
For once I'm glad I procrastinated about installing a security update.
Thanks,
Michael
Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote:
Folks,
Since we've been talking about updates, I got this
Net Llama! wrote:
Redhat did re-release the packages about an hour ago. Fixed my problems
on RH9.
That's a pretty quick response. Kudos to 'em.
Michael
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Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered:
I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result.
[badly borken glibc]
Whoops!
Kurt
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quoth Kurt Wall:
| Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered:
| I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result.
|
| [badly borken glibc]
|
| Whoops!
leave it to redhat. what was it last time? gcc-2.7.6 or something?
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dep
Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that
http://www.forbes.com/2003/11/13/cz_dl_1113sco.html?partner=yahooreferrer=
Stallman says the Boston-based Free Software Foundation, which he
founded in 1985, has nothing to do with SCO's lawsuit. SCO is suing
IBM for violating a contract. We don't even know what the contract
said. In terms of
On 11/13/03 17:04, dep wrote:
quoth Kurt Wall:
| Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered:
| I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result.
|
| [badly borken glibc]
|
| Whoops!
leave it to redhat. what was it last time? gcc-2.7.6 or something?
What last time? Let's not play
Consuming 0.5K bytes, Michael Hipp blathered:
It's been a long time since I programmed anything with financial-style
numbers in c, but I thought there was a printf option to put commas in
the numbers so you get 1,234,567 instead of the hard-to-read 1234567.
Is there a simple c way to do
Consuming 1.3K bytes, dep blathered:
http://www.forbes.com/2003/11/13/cz_dl_1113sco.html?partner=yahooreferrer=
My favorite part:
Oddly enough, on Nov. 11, SCO Executive Vice President Christopher Sontag
complained to Forbes about IBM's decision to send subpoenas to investors
and analysts who
Actually, the review was no surprise to me. The writer was merely
rehashing the same problems that I suspect many thousands of Red Hat
users have encountered before --and fixed. It's just that the further
you go from the Fedora/RH core functionality, the more problems you will
have because of
Chong Yu Meng wrote:
3. Most importantly, there is a bill proposed in Singapore's
parliament to allow snooping software to be installed on all computers
in Singapore to monitor activities. I don't think it would work on
Linux systems. Unless and until they make it mandatory for all
Chong Yu Meng wrote:
Oops! I misspoke ! Just read the full article :
http://straitstimes.asia1.com.sg/singapore/story/0,4386,219807,00.html?
Well, not snooping software, but certainly some surveillance of users.
Oops, maybe not even that ... oh man, I must be getting paranoid in my
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 03:09:45PM -0600, Andrew L. Gould wrote:
To clarify: I'm wondering how the distributions compare as to upgrading from
one release to the next, rather than updates to the current release.
We've had one person state that SUSE's upgrade process hasn't worked well,
Consuming 0.8K bytes, Net Llama! blathered:
On 11/13/03 17:04, dep wrote:
quoth Kurt Wall:
| Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered:
| I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result.
|
| [badly borken glibc]
|
| Whoops!
leave it to redhat. what was it last time?
Hi
Our server is cobalt raq4r . Yesterday we have patched our server with the
latest patch.. We have also patched the sendmail with the latest patch..
RaQ4-All-Security-2.0.1-16402.pkg
RaQ4-All-Security-2.0.1-16429.pkg
RaQ4-All-Security-2.0.1-16620.pkg
But after upgrading , it
Kurt Wall wrote:
See setlocale(3), printf(3), locale(1), locale(5), and locale(7).
Note that the single quote between % and d is correct...
Thanks. My reference book doesn't tell about the single quote.
Michael
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:10:33 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system ...
I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring
to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux'
RMS get stuffed!
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if you fill your heart
I guess he doesn't recognize that Linus had much to do with it. If it
weren't for Linus nobody would be using any of the GNU tools because there
wouldn't be anything to use them on G! I guess everything I've made with
my Sears tools I need to label Sears/whatever i- i.e Sears/workbench,
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:05:05 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Consuming 0.8K bytes, Net Llama! blathered:
On 11/13/03 17:04, dep wrote:
quoth Kurt Wall:
| Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered:
| I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result.
|
| [badly
Gentoo for PowerPC G5 now available
Posted on 11 November 2003 by pvdabeel
We're proud to announce the availability of the Gentoo for PowerPC G5 32-bit
LiveCD. ISOs are now available on our main OSU mirror.
--
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if you fill your heart with regrets of yesterday and the
HTH HAND
What does HAND mean?
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quoth James McDonald:
| But why is RMS so dogged about the distinction?
he has that far-away look of the true believer, the staunch idealogue
who is untroubled by minor details such as reality.
--
dep
Writing takes no time. It's finding something to say that takes forever.
On Thursday 13 November 2003 10:26 pm, Collins Richey wrote:
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 20:10:33 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system ...
I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as referring
to a version of our GNU OS as 'Linux'
RMS get
I guess everything I've
made with my Sears tools I need to label Sears/whatever i- i.e
Sears/workbench, Sears/shelves.
I like the above ... lol.
Stallman's GNU/Linux operating system ...
I am concerned about long-term entrenched confusions such as
referring to a version of our GNU OS
On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 22:05:05 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Consuming 0.8K bytes, Net Llama! blathered:
On 11/13/03 17:04, dep wrote:
quoth Kurt Wall:
| Consuming 2.3K bytes, Net Llama! blathered:
| I can vouch for this. My RH9 box is trashed as a result.
|
| [badly
The new G5s from Apple I'd love to have one -even with OS X on it. I
understand they are awesome. My daughter's Powerbook G4 made me realize
how good Apple stuff is!
Collins Richey wrote:
Gentoo for PowerPC G5 now available
Posted on 11 November 2003 by pvdabeel
We're proud to
Good analogy on the sears tools bit, but we do use a lot of the gnu tools on our
solaris systems.
And yes, rms does exhibit that far away look as dep describes.
-jhb-
From: Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I guess he doesn't recognize that Linus had much to do with it. If it
weren't for
Michael Hipp wrote:
Kurt Wall wrote:
See setlocale(3), printf(3), locale(1), locale(5), and locale(7).
Note that the single quote between % and d is correct...
Thanks. My reference book doesn't tell about the single quote.
Ok, I should have looked at the man page for printf:
--
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James McDonald wrote:
I think Richard Stallman is carrying a rather large wound in his pride
because the hurd kernel has never taken off. Admittedly the tools GNU
provides are critical to the functioning and construction of the Linux
Kernel (please correct me if I'm wrong).
But why is RMS so
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