March Meeting Tonight

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
JaxLUG March 2011 Meeting When: Tuesday, Mar 15th 6:30pm Where : Peak 10 Topic : Intro to Linux Kernel Firewall Presented By: William L. Thomson Jr. http://wiki.jaxlug.org http://wiki.jaxlug.org/index.php/Peak_10

Re: Topic and presenter for March

2011-03-15 Thread Andrew Henderson
Perhaps someone could set this recording and streaming up to capture one meeting and do a presentation for that meeting on all of the details on how he/she did it? Andrew On Mon, 14 Mar 2011, Laura Hartwell wrote: I would love to attend a meeting but they always conflict with my work

Re: Topic and presenter for March

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 23:13 -0400, me...@aol.com wrote: That is not bad idea. I too also miss to many meetings and it would nice to have it live or better yet recorded and posted to the wiki. Anyone is welcome to do such, my focus tends to be on making sure we have a meeting, topic, and

Re: Topic and presenter for March

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 23:22 -0400, Michael Potts wrote: It was attempted at a previous meeting, however permission needs to be obtained from the presenter (and the corporate sponsor if any). Due to the late notice at the meeting where this was last attempted, this was unable to be obtained.

Re: Topic and presenter for March

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 09:45 -0400, Andrew Henderson wrote: Perhaps someone could set this recording and streaming up to capture one meeting and do a presentation for that meeting on all of the details on how he/she did it? Now that I really like! Do it and then present on how you did it!

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Nathan Hamiel
I ended up on the page due to random clicking for no real purpose. Though some what found the humor I wasn't looking for intentionally. I must say I found the following to be quite laughable and entertaining ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter#Tweet_contents Let's also not forget that

Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread Michael A. Knox
Group, I have Googled high and low to find an answer to this question with no luck. I am trying to install the drivers for a Dell V313 3-in-1 on a machine running Ubuntu 10.10 x64. The problem is that the installer crashes because of the x64 architecture. Apparently, the installer checks the

Re: Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 11:30 -0400, Michael A. Knox wrote: Maybe a way to extract the .deb package? dpkg --unpack foo_VVV-RRR.deb dpkg-deb --extract foo_VVV-RRR.deb http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html -- William L. Thomson Jr. Obsidian-Studios, Inc.

Re: Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread John Patterson
Mike, I downloaded and ran the installer - it appears to extract the deb to /tmp: /tmp/selfgz10063/pkg/files/dell-inkjet-09-driver-1.0-1.i386.deb John Patterson http://www.henrygis.com On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Michael A. Knox michael.k...@knoxandassociates.com wrote: Group, I

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Nathan Hamiel
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 10:26 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Let's also not forget that Twitter and Facebook just helped overthrow a couple of governments, so not all babble is pointless ;) Pretty sure the concept of coup d'état was well established long before Twitter or Facebook. People

Re: Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread Michael A. Knox
I downloaded and ran the installer - it appears to extract the deb to /tmp: /tmp/selfgz10063/pkg/files/dell-inkjet-09-driver-1.0-1.i386.deb It's extracting to /home/rknox6245/lua_DwLX3M but it cleans itself up when the installer shuts down: rm -rf /home/rknox6245/lua_DwLX3M Is there a way

Re: Firewalls and choices

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Mon, 2011-03-14 at 09:38 -0400, Neo Taoist Techno Pagan wrote: It's time to rebuild the firewall since I am still running IPCop stable - and no updates since 2008. I have looked at many of the firewall distros and have not really found one that I just want to use immediately. I used to mess

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Kyle Gonzales
It's the ultimate of elitism to say that the reason someone finds no value in something is that they are not doing it right. I at one point had 4 Facebook accounts and 4 Twitter accounts. I canceled most of them due to a lack of value regarding my time. The network as William says is a medium.

Re: Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread John Patterson
Mike, I was able to grab the .deb out of /tmp with the installer waiting on the Exit screen. the lua_ folder is removed by that point but /tmp is still intact. John On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Michael A. Knox michael.k...@knoxandassociates.com wrote: I downloaded and ran the installer

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 12:19 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Oh wow, you do live in a bubble. Not sure I would go that far, but we all live in some form of bubble one way or another. I am not sure why you threw the papyrus reference in there, you have to know that is complete BS. First of all in

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Nathan Hamiel
It's the ultimate of elitism to say that the reason someone finds no value in something is that they are not doing it right. I at one point had 4 Facebook accounts and 4 Twitter accounts. I canceled most of them due to a lack of value regarding my time. That is not what I said at all.

Re: Topic and presenter for March

2011-03-15 Thread Andrew Henderson
On Tue, 15 Mar 2011, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: Though doesn't have to be same meeting. We do have 9 more months/meetings to go for this year. Volunteers for presenters and suggestions for topics are wanted! Unless you want me to present at every meeting in addition to spamming your

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 12:56 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: It's the ultimate of elitism to say that the reason someone finds no value in something is that they are not doing it right. I at one point had 4 Facebook accounts and 4 Twitter accounts. I canceled most

Re: Topic and presenter for March

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:03 -0400, Andrew Henderson wrote: Well, for what it is worth, I hope to do another presentation sometime within the next few months when I have adequate time to prepare for it. I try to make these things entertaining (video clips, demonstrations, etc.), which

RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Mike Rathburn
-Original Message- From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:w...@obsidian-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 12:54 PM Not everyone owns a computer, and some people are still illiterate. More so when you start talking about third world countries. Think about the majority of the

RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:20 -0400, Mike Rathburn wrote: Social networking isn't predominantly done on a computer - usually it's done on a mobile device (yes, a computer, but you get the point). Yes, and when it comes to vetting leads for like news purposes, that becomes tremendously harder, as

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Nathan Hamiel
Not everyone owns a computer, and some people are still illiterate. More so when you start talking about third world countries. Think about the majority of the populations of the countries who's governments were overthrown :) Yea, that started because of social networks. People who did have

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Kyle Gonzales
I will say the value of these supposed social connections to someone you can never meet is very low and nearly worthless. You don't really know anyone until you meet them in person. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. In my 17 years of experience with online communities, BBSes,

Re: Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread Michael A. Knox
Exit screen. the lua_ folder is removed by that point but /tmp is still intact. Ahh, I wasn't looking at the /tmp folder while the installer was waiting on the Exit screen, so I didn't see it sitting there. Thanks. That let me get the .deb file, and now the printer works. I still have to get

Re: Firewalls and choices

2011-03-15 Thread Steve Litt
On Monday 14 March 2011 09:38:50 Neo Taoist Techno Pagan wrote: It's time to rebuild the firewall since I am still running IPCop stable - and no updates since 2008. I have looked at many of the firewall distros and have not really found one that I just want to use immediately. This is for a

Re: Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread Michael A. Knox
William Thompson wrote: You can always move binaries out of the path and then they cannot be executed by anything. The only problem there is that the installer writes it and then removes it so fast you'd have to be really quick to get it moved in time!

RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Mike Rathburn
-Original Message- From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:w...@obsidian-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 1:33 PM To: list@jaxlug.org Subject: RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter I would also hardly classify Egypt as an uneducated third-world country, where the percentage of

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Nathan Hamiel
I will say the value of these supposed social connections to someone you can never meet is very low and nearly worthless. You don't really know anyone until you meet them in person. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. In my 17 years of experience with online communities, BBSes,

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:37 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Yea, that started because of social networks. People who did have computers got their neighbors who didn't involved. They tried to start the same in Iran a few years back, and what was the outcome of that? Again they just used resources

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread jd
Nathan's arguments prompted me to create a twitter account. I am so far behind on everything it isn't even funny. I do not see a win in my immediate future. You better get back to work Nathan. On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:37 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Not everyone owns a computer, and some

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Nathan Hamiel
Egypt was educating their people long long long before the U.S. even existed. That would be called a touché :) -- *Nathan Hamiel* http://hexsec.com http://hexsec.comhttp://twitter.com/nathanhamiel blog: www.neohaxor.org

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:44 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Its also classified as a developing country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developing_country For someone who gets hung up on vetting and such you sure do refer to Wikipedia a lot ;) Yes because you can see the

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Nathan Hamiel
Nathan's arguments prompted me to create a twitter account. I'm glad to hear it. Nothing wrong with at least giving it a try. I am so far behind on everything it isn't even funny. I do not see a win in my immediate future. Ha, yes. Having an open Twitter account means that someone can

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 14:04 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: Egypt was educating their people long long long before the U.S. even existed. That would be called a touché :) Not really I am half Arabic. While there has been many things that came out of the Arab world, including education. It

Re: Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:56 -0400, Michael A. Knox wrote: William Thompson wrote: You can always move binaries out of the path and then they cannot be executed by anything. The only problem there is that the installer writes it and then removes it so fast you'd have to be really quick

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Kyle Gonzales
Nathan Hamiel wrote: I will say the value of these supposed social connections to someone you can never meet is very low and nearly worthless. You don't really know anyone until you meet them in person. Whether you believe that or not is up to you. In my 17 years of

Re: Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 13:54 -0400, Michael A. Knox wrote: Exit screen. the lua_ folder is removed by that point but /tmp is still intact. Ahh, I wasn't looking at the /tmp folder while the installer was waiting on the Exit screen, so I didn't see it sitting there. Thanks. That let me get

Re: Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread John Patterson
Mike, I think William means that you would actually move the 'rm' executable. That way when the installer tries to run rm -rf the command fails. Things would get wacky if it didn't get put back though. John On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 2:16 PM, William L. Thomson Jr. w...@obsidian-studios.com wrote:

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Nathan Hamiel
Not really I am half Arabic. While there has been many things that came out of the Arab world, including education. It has not been what it was for some time. In fact of most of the Arab countries, guess where the rich or royalty send their kids to be educated? :) So being half Arabic gives

RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Mike Rathburn
-Original Message- From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:w...@obsidian-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 2:13 PM To: Jax-LUG Subject: Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter Even more so, roads, modern day cities, etc. The list of what other countries do to take after things we

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 14:32 -0400, Nathan Hamiel wrote: So being half Arabic gives you a unique view in to ancient history? No but the educational things the Arab world did for the rest art part of ancient history. Which anyone can go and learn about, history of taking a bath, algebra,

Re: Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread Michael A. Knox
William Thompson wrote: Porting stuff from 32bit to 64bit is not as straight forward as one might think or assume. Not to mention most any 32bit stuff should run in 64bit, providing the necessary libraries are there. True, but the problem here isn't porting the drivers to x64, but simply

RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 14:41 -0400, Mike Rathburn wrote: Egypt has roads and electricity where the vast majority of people are, just like in America. Go to the middle of Death Valley, California and you'll find about as much electricity as you'll find in the middle of the Sahara desert.

Re: Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 14:50 -0400, Michael A. Knox wrote: William Thompson wrote: Porting stuff from 32bit to 64bit is not as straight forward as one might think or assume. Not to mention most any 32bit stuff should run in 64bit, providing the necessary libraries are there. True, but

RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Mike Rathburn
-Original Message- From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:w...@obsidian-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 2:52 PM To: Jax-LUG Subject: RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter So misleading, Egypt is so far behind the US. Even in Cairo their poverty rate is higher than in most US

RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Getting way off topic now even from Twitter ;) On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 15:08 -0400, Mike Rathburn wrote: Been there twice. As a tourist, or were you visiting and staying with family and/or friends? Quite different experiences depending. How were the roads? How did you travel, rent a car,

Data Center in a Box

2011-03-15 Thread Mike Rathburn
Who needs some goodies to play with? http://jacksonville.craigslist.org/sys/2267217382.html I've completed my move over to Amazon Web Services, so this behemoth isn't needed any longer. Interestingly AWS has created their own little flavor of Linux (Amazon AMI Linux), which looks to be nothing

RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Mike Rathburn
-Original Message- From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:w...@obsidian-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:50 PM To: list@jaxlug.org Subject: RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter Yeah but as you very well know the molecular structure of a monkey cannot possibly interact

RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 16:59 -0400, Mike Rathburn wrote: Yeah but as you very well know the molecular structure of a monkey cannot possibly interact cohesively with the data, minus the aggregate. We know nothing about everything, we just think we do :) There's a reason why intelligent life

RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Mike Rathburn
-Original Message- From: William L. Thomson Jr. [mailto:w...@obsidian-studios.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 5:07 PM To: list@jaxlug.org Subject: RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter We know nothing about everything, we just think we do :) Given that its a known fact we know more

RE: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
On Tue, 2011-03-15 at 17:15 -0400, Mike Rathburn wrote: We have much to learn from the animal world. Like harmony with nature and balance, be it on land or in the oceans. Is that your final answer? Wink. I was just testing to see if there's an end to this, Is there a reason it

RE: Geek propaganda: was Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Mike Rathburn
-Original Message- From: Steve Litt [mailto:sl...@troubleshooters.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 5:40 PM To: list@jaxlug.org Subject: Geek propaganda: was Usefulness of Twitter Nice propaganda Mike, but these two websites reveal much more urgent causes of the Egyptian

Re: March Meeting Tonight

2011-03-15 Thread Chad Bailey
Wish I could be there, friend coming in from out of town. You guys have fun On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 9:40 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. ad...@jaxlug.org wrote: JaxLUG March 2011 Meeting        When    : Tuesday, Mar 15th 6:30pm        Where   : Peak 10        Topic   : Intro to Linux Kernel

Re: [OT] Usefulness of Twitter

2011-03-15 Thread Chad Bailey
This topic would go under the category of pointless babble? lol I haven't gotten to read all of this yet (lord knows, my reading skill has increased by 2 already and I'm not even half way through) but wanted to say that addiction to social media is a real thing. It becomes evident in

To test distcc compile kernel using distcc

2011-03-15 Thread William L. Thomson Jr.
Tonight I received a few questions about using distcc. Which once you have things setup, if you want to see distcc in action. A good way to test it out is by compiling a kernel. make -j5 CC=distcc bzImage or for Xen kernels make -j5 CC=distcc That will definitely use distcc, and it will let

Re: Printer Driver Issue

2011-03-15 Thread Whit Hansell
Michael, Probably not a help but I run AMD64 Debian Wheezy and also besides having the 64 libs running, I installed the ia32-libs and ia32-libs for GTK for any items which need the i386 libraries. Don't know if this will help or not but worth looking into if you already haven't. HTH Whit