Re: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Daniel Nitsche
I had a quick go, and this is what I came up with (assuming a 100x100px image):dl dtProduct title/dt ddProduct description - this can be as long as you like/dd ddimg src="" alt=product title/dd/dlstyle dl { position: relative; } dl dt { margin-left: 110px; font-weight: bold; } dl dd {

Re: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Samuel Richardson
Absolute positioning should position from the top/left of whatever absolute element is containing it, usually this is the body. However, if you specifiy an element as being absolute but don't feed it a top/left, it will stay positioned wherever it is on the page (but outside of the content

Re: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Paul Novitski
At 11:13 PM 4/3/2006, Samuel Richardson wrote: Absolute positioning should position from the top/left of whatever absolute element is containing it, usually this is the body. A parent can have either absolute or relative positioning to provide positional context for an absolute child.

Re: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On Apr 4, 2006, at 2:58 PM, Daniel Nitsche wrote: I had a quick go, and this is what I came up with (assuming a 100x100px image): dl dtProduct title/dt ddProduct description - this can be as long as you like/dd ddimg src=product-image.jpg alt=product title/dd /dl style dl {

Re: [WSG] UK Standardistas - PAS 78

2006-04-04 Thread Mark Harris
Nick Cowie wrote: Joe Clark did and he blogged about it http://blog.fawny.org/2006/03/21/pas78/ as only Joe can ;-) Lovely. Inimitable, indeed! ;-) Cheers -mark ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

RE: [WSG] UK Standardistas - PAS 78

2006-04-04 Thread Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG
-Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Harris Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 5:05 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] UK Standardistas - PAS 78 Hello to our upside-down brethren and sistren in the UK A friend of

[WSG] Styling parent link where child is not an image

2006-04-04 Thread Chris Taylor
Hi, I've got a bit of a problem. And my CSS isn't working either ;0) Basically I want to style links with little icons (an envelope for email links, earth icon for web links, download icon for downloadable documents etc) but am getting into trouble where the child of the link is just an image,

Re: [WSG] Styling parent link where child is not an image

2006-04-04 Thread Lea de Groot
Chris Taylor wrote: .externalLink img The concept has been mooted before, but I'm not aware its been formally proposed at W3C, even in CSS3 :( Your only option (that I can think of) is something like: a href=http://www.webstandards.org; class=externalLinkTextWeb Standards group/a a

RE: [WSG] Styling parent link where child is not an image

2006-04-04 Thread Chris Taylor
Thanks Lea, I was afraid of that! I'll see what I can do, but some experiments using that idea have failed miserably. You say it may not have been proposed to the W3C, do people think it would be a useful addition to some future version of CSS? I certainly do. Chris -Original Message-

Re: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Daniel Nitsche wrote: As others have said, I like this better than putting the image in the dt. This works in Firefox (Linux and Windows) and Konqueror, but breaks in IE 6 (it seems to be ignoring the absolute positioning of the image). Perhaps someone could expand on this to make it work in

[WSG] get naked tomorrow with your css

2006-04-04 Thread Ted Drake
Dustin Diaz is putting together a get naked day, tomorrow. Think of it as a global css flash mob-like thing. The goal is to have a bunch of people turn off their css for a day to show off their semantic purity. http://www.dustindiaz.com/naked-day This will be especially interesting for

Re: [WSG] get naked tomorrow with your css

2006-04-04 Thread Jan Brasna
Are you turning off CSS at Yahoo! web sites, guys? :D -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for

Re: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Jan Brasna
Last year I've done this http://www.bonsoir.cz/obchod/chateau-laroche, it should fit your needs. -- Jan Brasna :: www.alphanumeric.cz | www.janbrasna.com | www.wdnews.net ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See

Re: [WSG] Styling parent link where child is not an image

2006-04-04 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Thierry Koblentz wrote: /* Style .externalLink where its child is not an img element */ .externalLink img { background: transparent; padding: 0; } Any ideas? What about: a.externalLink img { background: none; padding: 0; } Or am I missing something? Doh! Of course I

Re: [WSG] get naked tomorrow with your css

2006-04-04 Thread Simon Jessey
I've already done this at http://jessey.net because it is already April 05 in some parts of the world. Simon Jessey - Original Message - From: Ted Drake To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 11:48 AM Subject: [WSG] get naked tomorrow

RE: [WSG] get naked tomorrow with your css

2006-04-04 Thread Ted Drake
Wouldn't that be fun! I could always point the blame at Dustin Diaz for pulling the sheets off. Ted -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan Brasna Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 9:27 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re:

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-04 Thread Micky Mourelo
Patrick H. Lauke wrote: Micky, you seem to misunderstand what I mean. When I say consistency across the site, I mean that you should be consistent in your approach on every page. I.e. if you decide to mark up your site title as H1, then you should also mark it up as H1 on every other page of

Re: [WSG] Jaws Friendly Php and MySql Tutorial Needed

2006-04-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Jon Tan wrote: Marvin, just to be clear, are you asking for help finding tutorials on the web that will be read easily by speech browsers? That is, accessible tutorials on My SQL etc? Oh heck, I think you might be right Jon...I got completely the wrong end of the stick there, thinking he

RE: [WSG] two different submits in a form

2006-04-04 Thread Ted Drake
Hi All This reminds me of something Jeremy Keith mentioned last year at the @media conference. When you find yourself trying too hard to make something do what should be done by something else, stop, take a deep breath, and evaluate what should really be used. This rears it's ugly head when

Re: [WSG] Which Element to Use for Site Id / Site Title

2006-04-04 Thread Micky Mourelo
Patrick: From your previous reply, you seemed to think that I was advocating something like: h1My site/h1 h4Subsection 1.1/h4 No, that's not what I thought. No, because that's not valid. H1 can't be inside a P. Wow! I had missed that, silly me, you are so right... Anyway, I'd never do

Re: [WSG] two different submits in a form

2006-04-04 Thread Micky Mourelo
If, and only if, you really, really as in REALLY, have to do this on the client side, use an event based script; no onclick, or onsubmit (that is s 1997). Remember to have the script on a separate file, not on the html itself, and, sorry, AND, try to have the server side proccess the compare

RE: [WSG] Usability Studies on Click Here Labelling of Links?

2006-04-04 Thread Herrod, Lisa
Hi Geoff, -Original Message- From: Geoff Deering [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know if anyone has done any usability studies on web sites that have well labelled links as opposed to links labelled Click Here? I have searched and I can't find anything. I've done plenty of

Re: [WSG] Usability Studies on Click Here Labelling of Links?

2006-04-04 Thread Felix Miata
On 06/04/04 18:35 Geoff Deering (GMT-0400) apparently typed: Does anyone know if anyone has done any usability studies on web sites that have well labelled links as opposed to links labelled Click Here? I have searched and I can't find anything. #2 on

Re: [WSG] UK Standardistas - PAS 78

2006-04-04 Thread Patrick H. Lauke
Roberto Scano - IWA/HWG wrote: Yes and one of the error is that there was no involvement of web accessibility experts. With all due respect...as Dan already mentioned, that's not really true now, is it? Or do you mean nobody from WAI was involved? And for the promotion about how to buy

Re: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Richard Czeiger
Hi Micky, Not sure I follow.. The dt is the signified (the object itself) and the signifiers (dds) don't so much as 'define' it in the strict sense, but act as a representation of the concept. In your example, Chien, Perro, Inu are representations of the concept of 'dog' and therefore would

Re: [WSG] Usability Studies on Click Here Labelling of Links?

2006-04-04 Thread Geoff Deering
Zero Piraeus wrote: I thought the received wisdom these days was that call to action links are more likely to be followed than descriptive ones. Something like: Register for course ABC Register for this course or even just Register! I think that is a good point, and that should

Re: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Daniel Nitsche
Great work!The only (very minor) issue I can see, is the image is not vertically aligned when the product title wraps to two lines, but as you have written, you can adjust the width to suit.Also works in Firefox and Konqueror (Linux). Daniel NitscheOn 4/5/06, Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Richard Czeiger
Hi Micky, I agree it's not a perfect fit and I'm cramming in the idea that the concept (signified) is the 'term' and therefore the dt and that the descriptions/defintions/representations of that concept (signfiers) are the dds. I don't think it's too far a strecth and until XHTML come up

Re: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Seona Bellamy
On 05/04/06, Richard Czeiger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is similar to Russ's explanation in the Punt example here:http://www.maxdesign.com.au/presentation/definition/ And on that same page, a little further down, we have this example of a use for DLs: DT: TermDD: Descriptive imageDD:

RE: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Eric Orton
I've been enjoying this disucssion, especially as this is something Ihave to deal with a lot. I like the solution from Richard, but I don't like having the image absolutely positioned. It's similiar toabsolutelypositioning a column, when the image isthe tallest 'column' (ie, there's very

Re: [WSG] Usability Studies on Click Here Labelling of Links?

2006-04-04 Thread Jay Gilmore
So I wonder if any usability studies have been done in that area? Who knows, but people who watch TV, listen to radio, read magazines are familiar with calls to action (CTA's). Enter Now!, Subscribe!, Buy Now! These are all too familiar and the phrase we turn on -- not the related noun or

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2006-04-04 Thread Richard Czeiger
Just a follow up Had a surf around and remembered the Malarky article on eCommerce DLs http://www.stuffandnonsense.co.uk/archives/e-commerce_definition_lists.html It made me think about what would happen if we wanted to describe aspects of the dds as having defintions themselves. For

Re: RE: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Richard Czeiger
WOW! Eric, I love it! :o) It's so clean and minimising need to restate the image width is exactly what I was after... :o) Legend! R - Original Message - From: Eric Orton To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] RE: [WSG]

Adaptability to Interfaces - was [WSG] Usability Studies on Click Here Labelling of Links?

2006-04-04 Thread Lachlan Hardy
Geoff Deering wrote: He said children don't have this problem, they regard the whole interface as potentially interactive. I think things have evolved a lot since then, but I notice how quickly young users can learn a user interface, and it probably does not effect them to the same level if

Re: [WSG] Definition List for Products/Items with Image

2006-04-04 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Eric Orton wrote: I've been enjoying this disucssion, especially as this is something I have to deal with a lot. I like the solution from Richard, but I don't like having the image absolutely positioned. It's similiar to absolutely positioning a column, when the image is the tallest