Re: [WSG] website checker

2007-01-23 Thread Terrence Wood
On 23/01/2007, at 4:40 AM, Barney Carroll wrote: Jon Gunderson wrote: Got good readings for my latest site, bumped into two failings: 1. No headings preceding navigation uls (debatable intrinsic worth). 2. No navigation areas. I think point 1 is a clue to what qualifies: navigation area ==

RE: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site

2007-01-23 Thread GALLAGHER Kevin S
Many thanks Bill. -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of bill scheider Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 4:53 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site

RE: [WSG] IE7/CSS issues on a site

2007-01-23 Thread GALLAGHER Kevin S
I work for a state agency which deals with a great deal of money (Oregon Department of Revenue) who are very careful about software we install for security reasons which is the main problem with installing IE7 since there are absolutely no plans to update anytime soon to this new version. I

[WSG Announce] Some links for light reading (24/1/07)

2007-01-23 Thread russ - maxdesign
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[WSG] Styling thumbnails and captions

2007-01-23 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi all, I'd appreciate any comment that would help me improve the quality of this article: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/how_to_style_thumbnail_and_caption.asp Demo: http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/thumbnail_and_caption/gallery_of_thumbnails.asp Thanks. --- Regards, Thierry |

Re: [WSG] Styling thumbnails and captions

2007-01-23 Thread russ - maxdesign
Hey Thierry, Looks good! One question that people may ask you is how would this system work with different sized images or different length captions. The entire layout could fall to pieces if one caption in the middle of the page is much longer. The following floats may be caught by this long

[WSG] CMS software

2007-01-23 Thread Kekay Olvera
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Re: [WSG] Styling thumbnails and captions

2007-01-23 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Hi Russ, Looks good! Thanks One question that people may ask you is how would this system work with different sized images or different length captions. The entire layout could fall to pieces if one caption in the middle of the page is much longer. The following floats may be caught by

Re: [WSG] website checker

2007-01-23 Thread Christian Montoya
On 1/23/07, Terrence Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 23/01/2007, at 4:40 AM, Barney Carroll wrote: Jon Gunderson wrote: Got good readings for my latest site, bumped into two failings: 1. No headings preceding navigation uls (debatable intrinsic worth). 2. No navigation areas. I think

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Cheryl Lead
I was actually a judge for the AIMIA awards and it was interesting going through the judging criteria. Accessibility and Usability were judged together, I think for a total of 15 or 20 points. The first thing I looked at was the code on all the sites - out of the 5 sites I was judging, 4 of them

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Lachlan Hardy
What about W3C validation especially for business.gov.au 60 HTML errors, meta tags, alt tags? I haven't worked on the business.vic.gov.au site since early 2006, but at the time it had almost perfect validation. There were some errors still remaining in various pockets of content transferred

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Kay Smoljak
On 1/24/07, Cheryl Lead [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did write a lot of comments about it though so hopefully these comments will make it back to the site owners. It's just such a shame that in 2006 (when the judging was done) the majority of companies are still so unaware of accessibility

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Cheryl Lead
AIMIA is traditionally very multimedia-based rather than web-based, which influences the types of entries, I think. In previous years it's always been the Flash-driven and very flashy sites that have won over the usable and accessible. So true - I wanted the usable accessible sites to win in

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Noah
So indicative of the fine line between good design and good business, which often do not seem to take notice of each other until someone truly inspired gets a chance to make an impression on the delivery method. True online accessibility must also be visually appealing, while

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer
[...] Nothing bugs me more than a super-cool looking site that shows off the ability of the artist who built it, yet does nothing for the idea, product or service it promotes. Art for art's sake is fantastic. Businesses need more. Noah But any design without art, feeling and emotions

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Noah at 01/24/07 11:10... Nothing bugs me more than a super-cool looking site that shows off the ability of the artist who built it, yet does nothing for the idea, product or service it promotes. Or, of course, breaks the law. Accessibility is a legal requirement in Australia[1],

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Matthew Smith
Quoth Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer at 01/24/07 11:32... But any design without art, feeling and emotions is trivial and boring We can be artistic and accessible, and need to prove it time and time again to dispel the myth that accessible is ugly. Artists and techies can work

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer
We can be artistic and accessible, and need to prove it time and time again to dispel the myth that accessible is ugly. Artists and techies can work together - I've done it before AND we were still talking to each other at the end ;-) -- Matthew Smith Of course Matthew - You've got right

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Noah
It's really the only way to go if you want to deliver true value to your clients and provide forward-thinking results on the cutting edge. Anybody can make pretty pictures; true value is in making those designs do more than just look good. Noah Quoting Matthew Smith [EMAIL

RE: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Smith Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 12:13 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists Quoth Noah at 01/24/07 11:10... Nothing bugs me more than a

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Milosz A. Lodowski - New Media Designer
It's really the only way to go if you want to deliver true value to your clients and provide forward-thinking results on the cutting edge. Anybody can make pretty pictures; true value is in making those designs do more than just look good. Noah Yep I know Noah, and after a small

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Tim
No Andreas http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWeb.html Australian gov websites are not tested for accessibility before they are launched. They are not even changed years later when someone points out the errors. They stay are they were launched full of the same errors

RE: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Andreas Boehmer [Addictive Media]
-Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Wednesday, 24 January 2007 1:19 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists No Andreas http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/AustWeb.html

RE: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Jermayn Parker
Asfar as I know accessibility compliance is a requirement for every new govt website project that is out for tender. Yes that is right. I am involved at the moment of a redesign of a gov website and we have to create the website to cover level 3 standards...

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread russ - maxdesign
They are flawed and stay flawed everyday. Get real Andreas. Everyone please take a deep breath and calm down. We are all on the same side. No need for friendly fire. :) Russ (Admin - with flack jacket on) *** List Guidelines:

Re: [WSG] AIMIA finalists

2007-01-23 Thread Tim
Those people could speak for themselves the many who will disagree with me. You presume to speak for many others. Me generalising, when you speak for many others. Really Andrea! No I am not generalising, I am quoting from some research I did on .gov.au websites 22 federal .gov.au sites. A

[WSG] Art and accessibility

2007-01-23 Thread Mark Harris
Some of the comments on the AIMIA thread seem to indicate that the authors believe accessibility is solely about validation and testing, and that art is only about pretty pictures. I believe that both views are flawed. Accessibility is/should be a way of life for anyone building websites. I

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility

2007-01-23 Thread Antonios Sarhanis
Web professionals are not doctors and doctors, in Australia at the very least, would have their licenses revoked if they did exactly what their patients asked them to do. Web professionals however have no licences and do not deal with life-threatening situations. The fact of the matter is if

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility

2007-01-23 Thread Tim
Yes I need work as well, but I would have to warn a client in writing that I would proceed to make a website as specified unless they took the responsibility under the 1992 Discrimination Act. The doctor must do what is best practice evidence based medicine, not what the client wants. Web

Re: [WSG] Art and accessibility

2007-01-23 Thread Cheryl Lead
Yeah I totally agree. I seriously doubt there are architects writing into lists saying we have to design a building that is beautiful AND accessible; they just incorporate both into every design. Web should be the same, it should go without saying that it will be accessible and it should look as

Re: [WSG] accessibility: images as navigation

2007-01-23 Thread cara williams
If the title attribute is ignored by screen readers, still, it would read the alt attribute of the image which would include a meaningful description of where the link is taking them to. Is this an annoying hurdle for screen reader users - having an alt attribute to go by rather than a plain text