Could you elaborate on the misuse of dls?
I can't remember any specific instances but over the last year on this list
there have been numerous discussions where people were trying to shoehorn
tabular data into definition lists when they clearly should have been using
tables. Nick has obviously
possible it is best to keep to HTML.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility
.testpartners.co.uk
www.accessibility.co.uk
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moment I am testing a site where this happens. Unfortunately a
very loud Flash-based audio track starts when the page loads and the button
for silencing it is not accessible because JAWS does not even recognise that
the page contains a Flash movie.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First
such as a paragraph or a div
because the user does not know where to move the mouse to get rid of it. It
may not even be possible if the element fills the entire screen. For this
reason I would not recommend using a 'title' attribute for a list.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility
/free_jaws_demo.htm.
Steve Green
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www.accessibility.co.uk
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John,
I would agree that there is little or no value in providing a heading for a
single list. However, we often work on sites that have thousands of pages,
that have at least two levels of navigation menus and sometimes three. There
are often other lists at the top of the page, such as to the
It is not displaying correctly in IE7. The tabs are too low so only half the
text is visible. I have sent you a screenshot.
Steve
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of the mental model the user will build but
frankly it's not worth the trouble.
The problem with most of the cheap or free screen readers is that they don't
convey semantic structure and the user experience is nothing like the big 3
professional products.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd
(if he can!). The next one
on Monday is fully booked (maybe I can squeeze in one more) but there will
be another in February. You can register at
www.accessibility.co.uk/free_jaws_demo.htm
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility
www.testpartners.co.uk
www.accessibility.co.uk
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Subject: Re: [WSG] Logo and H1's
Steve Green wrote:
Which leads perfectly into a plug for our free JAWS screen reader demos.
Pssst...where's my agreed commission? ;)
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I have seen several sites that have done this, presumably for the visual
effect of having a border around each subsection of content; some browsers
will give that border round corners. Of course the same effect can be
achieved with the correct use of CSS but maybe they just thought this way is
We do a lot of user testing with screen reader users, and this is the basis
for most of my contributions to this list.
Flash support has increased over the last few years so the user experience
depends both on the make of screen reader and the version. The user
experience can be good if the
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Subject: Re: [WSG] my world, my country.. :(
Steve Green wrote:
We do a lot of user testing with screen reader users,...
Also Flash
.. :(
Hassan Schroeder wrote:
Steve Green wrote:
We do a lot of user testing with screen reader users,...
Also Flash movies are made in layers.
Have you tested any (non-timelined) Flex-based sites or apps?
Just my two pence but I think what you really need to do is add
?
The frames and tables have no impact on screen reader users. In fact the use
of frames can help the user understand the structure of the page,
particularly if there is little or no semantic structure, as is the case
with this site.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility
these things pop up all the
time, especially as they may entirely fill the viewport.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility
www.testpartners.co.uk
www.accessibility.co.uk
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The full story is here - http://out-law.com/page-7594
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility
www.testpartners.co.uk
www.accessibility.co.uk
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, I have no idea why it's doing it.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility
www.testpartners.co.uk
www.accessibility.co.uk
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Subject: Re: [WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle
Steve Green wrote:
I'm running Safari 2.0 and it does jump. However, it does not jump
immediately. When you hover over a link the page reloads and this is
when it jumps (not always to the same place
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Subject: Re: [WSG] page loads in safari and then jumps to the middle
Steve Green wrote:
Wow, it's even worse now (or maybe it would have done this before but
I never tried it).
If I
it, we're running a free JAWS demo on 27 November. Full details and booking
form at www.accessibility.co.uk/free_jaws_demo.htm.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility
www.testpartners.co.uk
www.accessibility.co.uk
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That argument may seem reasonable but it is flawed. If
users with particular user agents can't use your site or find it difficult to
use then they are less likely to return. Your stats will then show a low number
for these users. You might conclude that the low number means you don't need to
or AT?
With the exception of 10.3 all of these checkpoints are easily implemented
at little or no cost and they have little or no impact on the design so I
generally don't ignore any of them except 10.3.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility
www.testpartners.co.uk
We do loads of email testing on a wide variety of email
clients and web-based email services and I endorse everything in the article
that Mathew recommended - it's spot on. In particular the web-based services do
some horrible things; in one email we tested, one of them (Hotmail or Yahoo, I
Yes, I've been getting them all evening too.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility
www.testpartners.co.uk
www.accessibility.co.uk
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Sent: 28 June 2006 00:07
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Having just returned from a user-testing session with
someone who has severe colour perception impairment (caused by retinitis
pigmentosa) I am appalled by this "it's not the designer's problem" attitude.
This person uses the ZoomText magnifier, which has a wide range of colour
substitution
and he told me that JavaScript is disabled by means of Group
Policies on all of their 1500 PCs.
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility
www.testpartners.co.uk
www.accessibility.co.uk
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Alternatively you can put a no-break-space between the words instead of a
space. A no-break-space is the six-character string nbsp; so the link would
be something link Contactnbsp;Us
Steve Green
Director
Test Partners Ltd / First Accessibility
www.testpartners.co.uk
www.accessibility.co.uk
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