Helloi have a problem here :http://www.rioartpack.comhttp://www.rioartpack.com/style.sccand
http://www.rioatrpack.com/iefix.cssin the about and contact pages only when in IE, every few refreshes, the left div is squashed to the left below the div that's supposed to float right.any ideas ?
from my experience with these kind of issues they can be fixed with assigning fixed widths to each div (whether in px or em).another thing to try and avoid is using width: 100% on anything as IE can have problems with this (may need to use a hack or two to hide this from IE)its a bit of a stinker
Agree also.
Just another IT startup's method of placing their logo feces at the bottom
of people's web pages under the premise of certifying accessibility.
Christopher
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Dear list,
Not sure if this is exactly the place to ask, but I am very eager to get
any authoritative (and by now, 'authoritative' can be qualified by
anybody who's so much as seen one) information on screen readers.
I am a css-enthusiastic web designer who sees the value of standards as
a
On Thu, Nov 02, 2006 at 02:36:22PM +, Barney Carroll wrote:
w3c's accessibility guidelines are highly revered, and for the most part
there is good cause for this - and as I've said I am a supporter of the
notion of standardisation - but when talking about the precepts of
design for the
Barney Carroll wrote:
Only I can never know if I have achieved it, because I can't test it;
nor can I find anybody else to test for me, or even pin-point known
problems.
Dear Barney,
For Firefox, this seems like an interesting utility. I haven't used it
yet, but I think you might find it
BarneyFirst port of call is try using a screen reader yourself. Although expensive to purchase, a free 30 day evaluation of IBM HPR can be obtained. The experience is different with each type of screen reader due to their quitet propriety ways of operating. Although you can never simulate being
On 11/2/06, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dear list,
Not sure if this is exactly the place to ask, but I am very eager to get
any authoritative (and by now, 'authoritative' can be qualified by
anybody who's so much as seen one) information on screen readers.
I suspect some of this
On 11/2/06, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Despite the fact I haven't been able to find anyone who has ever used a
screen reader,
Hi Barney,
JAWS used to have a free downloadable demo that would give you a taste
of what it is like to use it. I used the full version on my last job.
It
On 2 Nov 2006, at 14:36:22, Barney Carroll wrote:
Not sure if this is exactly the place to ask, but I am very eager
to get any authoritative (and by now, 'authoritative' can be
qualified by anybody who's so much as seen one) information on
screen readers.
Despite the fact I haven't been
Hi Barney,
We have a
great deal
of
experience
of user
testing
with
screen
readers
and
magnifiers,
and
provide
testing
and
training
services.
I hope
this is
considered
to be
on-topic
because
web
standards
and
semantic
markup are
very
important
for screen
reader
users. In
fact they
probably
benefit
I've just carried out a research project (http://www.roboneill.co.uk/research.htm) in which I observed blind web users in action. You just don't realise the obstacles they face until you see it for yourself.
Look in your yellow pages for a local self help group, I'm sure they would be happy to
Whether
you use
Fangs or a
real
screen
reader it
is
difficult
for a
developer
or tester
to know if
a website
is really
accessible
unless
they have
an
understanding
of how
screen
reader
users
visualise
a website
and
interact
with it.
There is a
huge
difference
between
being able
to hear
the
On 11/2/06, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am a css-enthusiastic web designer who sees the value of standards as
a concept but does not necessarily bow to baseless trends, and more and
more I see potentially brilliant ideas get shot down in the community
because of 'standards' zealots
On 11/2/06, Michael Yeaney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And yet again...on the topic of screen readers, nobody has once mentioned
the possibility that perhaps we as web developers a pretty darn good job,
and that maybe it is the screen reader manufacturers that need the 'kick in
the balls'why,
Christian Montoya wrote:
Otherwise I
will just have to keep on assuming that these specters don't exist.
There are one or two font-size fanatics that will accuse you of not
respecting your users if you feel the need to set a font size other than
default.
does that count?
That's
because
very few
actually
do a
pretty
darn good
job. Most
don't give
screen
reader
users a
moment's
thought,
and it is
fortunate
that they
coincidentally
benefit
from some
things
that good
designers
do such as
semantic
markup and
standards-compliant
coding.
Furthermore,
I don't
think that
Hi Rahul,
It is a really nice site!
Did you design and build it? On the home page the use of so many fonts, in
particular the ad for the Carbon Campus Neutral Project, is a bit
overwhelming. But that is the only thing that I can suggest changing, I
really like the colours nice and natural
Hi Group,
A client has requested that the content on their site has two spaces
between the end of one sentence and the start of the next. We could do
it by using non-breaking spaces, but is there a better way of achieving
this - possibly with CSS?
Thanks in anticipation.
Nick
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Nick
There was quite the flame war on this topic about a month ago, you might
want to check archives... You will certainly get some responses in the why
would you do that, it's old-school, and it's wrong variety.
But I insist on it as well on my site, and I have done a great deal of
research on how
on 02/11/2006 19:24 Nick Roper said the following:
A client has requested that the content on their site has two spaces
between the end of one sentence and the start of the next.
Have they said why? Or indicated how big a unit a single space is
(serious question)?
If they're looking to
Nick Roper wrote:
Hi Group,
A client has requested that the content on their site has two spaces
between the end of one sentence and the start of the next. We could do
it by using non-breaking spaces, but is there a better way of
achieving this - possibly with CSS?
Thanks in anticipation.
Nick Roper wrote:
Hi Group,
A client has requested that the content on their site has two spaces
between the end of one sentence and the start of the next. We could do
it by using non-breaking spaces, but is there a better way of
achieving this - possibly with CSS?
Thanks in anticipation.
~davidLaakso wrote:
Nick Roper wrote:
Hi Group,
A client has requested that the content on their site has two spaces
between the end of one sentence and the start of the next. We could
do it by using non-breaking spaces, but is there a better way of
achieving this - possibly with CSS?
Hi Chris,
Thanks for the reply, I'll get in touch off-list for the regex code -
much appreciated. We use PHP to implement CMS for clients so that would
fit well.
Before anyone does leap into print to condemn the practice as old-school
or wrong, I'm not really interested in getting involved
Designer,
Thanks for that. I see what you mean about the space at the end of the
line in para 2, but the content won't be justified on the site so
shouldn't be an issue.
Nick
Designer wrote:
Nick Roper wrote:
Hi Group,
A client has requested that the content on their site has two spaces
Hi all,
Michael - I'm not exactly sure which message in particular you are
replying to, but I have a few comments on this statement you made:
On 11/2/06, Michael Yeaney wrote:
And yet again...on the topic of screen readers, nobody has once
mentioned the possibility that perhaps we as web
Tony Crockford wrote:
Christian Montoya wrote:
Otherwise I
will just have to keep on assuming that these specters don't exist.
There are one or two font-size fanatics that will accuse you of not
respecting your users if you feel the need to set a font size other
than default.
does that
On 03/11/06, Derek Featherstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So if I may make a few suggestions:Nicely said. Way to cut through the crap!
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1. Let us not kick anyone in the balls.
...
Agreed...especially with heavy boots..LoL..onward:
What frustrates me most about screen reader software for the web is
the fact that the only way for them to get information from a document
is to flatten and remove ~2/3's (CSS and script) of the
On 11/2/06, Michael Yeaney wrote:
What frustrates me most about screen reader software for the web is
the fact that the only way for them to get information from a document
is to flatten and remove ~2/3's (CSS and script) of the factors that
(possibly) are contributing to the presentation as a
On 11/2/06, Derek Featherstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Let us not kick anyone in the balls. We're part of the same team
here. Lets keep this constructive. Michael - what exactly is it about
screen readers that is bugging you? Frances - what is it about them that
is poor? Anyone else?
Hey
On 11/2/06, Frances Berriman wrote:
I just meant mostly that the software - in my limited experience
personally using it - seems difficult to use.
Hi Frances - no worries...
Yes, I would expect it to be difficult for you to use. Guess what?
(Forgive the generalizations about to be written) It
On 11/2/06, Tony Crockford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Christian Montoya wrote:
Otherwise I
will just have to keep on assuming that these specters don't exist.
There are one or two font-size fanatics that will accuse you of not
respecting your users if you feel the need to set a font size other
Good points...I'll try to clarify:
There may not be the ability to change the layout, but there are
layout considerations when developing desktop software. If you are
building a desktop application and drag and drop form fields (a
convenient example, I'll admit) their tab order is in the order
I have been following this with great interest.
What I have been considering (I know its been covered before) is putting a
link at the top of the page,
go to text version
Go to menu
I would think that screen reader users would find that a good addition to be
able to read an article in text
Christian Montoya wrote:
On 11/2/06, Tony Crockford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There are one or two font-size fanatics that will accuse you of not
respecting your users if you feel the need to set a font size other than
default.
As an example of the kind of empty talk I'm tired of, yes. That
A 'go to text version' link certainly won't hurt, but our experience of user
testing is that they are rarely used. In fact we did a test project last
week where the site had a text version, an audio version and a built-in
magnifier, but only one of the three users (who was a screen reader user)
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There are one or two font-size fanatics that will accuse
On 2006/11/02 23:46 (GMT) Patrick H. Lauke apparently typed:
Christian Montoya wrote Thu, 2 Nov 2006 17:24:29 -0500:
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 18:26:25 +, Tony Crockford wrote:
There are one or two font-size fanatics that will accuse you of not
respecting your users if you feel the need to
When I worked at the National Library we
had Vision Australia
(used to be the Blind Society) look at the new Libraries Australia website.
You can pay for them to go through a site
and theyll tell you and show you whether it can be used by visually
impaired people. It is a real eye
I would love any links to articles/archived polemic/research studies/the
appropriate list... If anybody here has actual experience of a screen
reader, I would be overjoyed to hear from them.
Joe Clark or James Edwards aka Brothercake are practicing screen reader
testing with various
Two quick ADMIN notes to all...
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introduces a totally different topic.
Solution:
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its own topic. This benefits everyone,
HiIm designing a website for my university design exhibition and it looks fine in IE (6 i think it is) but in firefox the bunch of links overlap the white content about 5 pixels and it just looks a bit tacky. as far as i can see the code looks ok.
On Thu, 02 Nov 2006 08:51:23 +0530, Rahul Gonsalves wrote:
Dear All,
http://rahulgonsalves.com/mitra/0111/index.html
I would appreciate a site check, for this website - built for a non-
profit looking to promote alternative energy choices.
I'd agree with Rachel and David - a really
Add background-position: left bottom to those images.
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 12:55:16 +1000, Robin @ Xplore.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hello,
Could anyone please tell me why my background image is displaying below
my
background image in ie and not in firefox and how can I fix it in ie
Rachel May wrote:
Hi Rahul,
It is a really nice site!
Did you design and build it? On the home page the use of so many fonts, in
particular the ad for the Carbon Campus Neutral Project, is a bit
overwhelming. But that is the only thing that I can suggest changing, I
really like the colours
I catch your point Nick, the solution with span class=sentence is
probably the best, but I have to point that using double space after
sentence is completely wrong. It is not “old school”—it is “bad
school”. Jan Tschichold [1] and Robert Bringhurst [2] both wrote in
their books (‘Form of
Try removing the height from #links.
On Fri, 03 Nov 2006 13:17:41 +1000, Germ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
Im designing a website for my university design exhibition and it looks
fine
in IE (6 i think it is) but in firefox the bunch of links overlap the
white
content about 5 pixels and it
On 3/11/2006, at 4:17 PM, Germ wrote:Im designing a website for my university design exhibition and it looks fine in IE (6 i think it is) but in firefox the bunch of links overlap the white content about 5 pixels and it just looks a bit tacky. as far as i can see the code looks ok. Because you've
Thanks a lot John,
for that quick fix, it's one for the memory bank.
cheers
Robin
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Subject: Re: [WSG]
Liquid designs, sized with percentage width, and the brilliant Jello
layout from Mike Purvis[1] behave in a bizarre manner in IE 7 when
page zoom is applied. It's as though the entire page grows or shrinks
regardless of the window constraints, throwing a horizontal scrollbar
when zoomed in (Ctrl
On 11/2/06, David Hucklesby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Liquid designs, sized with percentage width, and the brilliant Jello
layout from Mike Purvis[1] behave in a bizarre manner in IE 7 when
page zoom is applied. It's as though the entire page grows or shrinks
regardless of the window constraints,
I have a height issue on http://www.eureka-forklifts.com.au/about-us.cfm
#bd2 {
width: 746px;
position: absolute;
top: 151px;
border-left: 2px solid #7F7F7F;
border-right: 2px solid #7F7F7F;
background: url(../image/secondhand-forklift.jpg)
Liquid designs, sized with percentage width, and the brilliant Jello
layout from Mike Purvis[1] behave in a bizarre manner in IE 7 when
page zoom is applied. It's as though the entire page grows or shrinks
regardless of the window constraints, throwing a horizontal scrollbar
when zoomed in
It would be great though if someone who has both IE7 and Opera could
tell us how the Zooms are similar or different.
IE7 zooms your page right off the right edge of the screen creating a
horizontal scrollbar. :/ Opera confines its zoom to within the window.
--
Tyssen Design
Web print
On 11/3/06, Donna Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Liquid designs, sized with percentage width, and the brilliant Jello
layout from Mike Purvis[1] behave in a bizarre manner in IE 7 when
page zoom is applied. It's as though the entire page grows or shrinks
regardless of the window constraints,
It would be great though if someone who has both IE7 and Opera could
tell us how the Zooms are similar or different.
IE7 zooms your page right off the right edge of the screen creating a
horizontal scrollbar. :/ Opera confines its zoom to within the window.
Are you sure about Opera? My
Hi
Add overflow:hidden; to both styles, I tried it on your site and it
worked (I still use Firefox 1.5)
Cheers
On 11/3/06, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have a height issue on http://www.eureka-forklifts.com.au/about-us.cfm
#bd2 {
width: 746px;
position: absolute;
On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 03:21:17PM +1000, Taco Fleur wrote:
I have a height issue on http://www.eureka-forklifts.com.au/about-us.cfm
All the text is within #body-text and both divs are set to 100% height, but
in Firefox the background color does not complete go to the end of the text,
it
Hello,
putting a
link at the top of the page,
Bruce, What about users with cognitive disibilities? Its a very wide
catagorie which includes, simple dyslexia to extreme mental retardation.
Apparently these people regularly use the web as a primary imformation
source so must be considered.
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