RE: [WSG] height issue
Thanks, thats excellent. Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gunlaug Sørtun Sent: Friday, 3 November 2006 6:35 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] height issue Taco Fleur wrote: http://www.eureka-forklifts.com.au/about-us.cfm All the text is within #body-text and both divs are set to 100% height, but in Firefox the background color does not complete go to the end of the text, it puzzles me... The page validates BTW. 100% height is limited to 100% of window-height - regardless of what height that window has. Only IE/win with its auto-expansion, 'hasLayout'[1] related, bug will expand elements beyond that. The wanted expansion can be achieved by adding... #bd2 {display: table;) #body-text {display; table-cell;} ...making standard compliant browsers render the elements as if they were HTML tables - which is pretty much what IE does anyway. What you get is elements that act as if they have 'min-height: 100%', that will expand to make room for content. regards Georg [1]http://www.satzansatz.de/cssd/onhavinglayout.html -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] height issue
I have a height issue on http://www.eureka-forklifts.com.au/about-us.cfm #bd2 { width: 746px; position: absolute; top: 151px; border-left: 2px solid #7F7F7F; border-right: 2px solid #7F7F7F; background: url(../image/secondhand-forklift.jpg) no-repeat left top #FF; z-index: 1; height: 100%; } #body-text { padding: 120px 10px 10px 240px; height: 100%; } All the text is within #body-text and both divs are set to 100% height, but in Firefox the background color does not complete go to the end of the text, it puzzles me... The page validates BTW. Any help is much appreciated. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Forget about Opera and Mac (and Windows Vista) ??
OK, so opera isn't playing by the rules... Can I change padding: 0 to padding: 0 0? I've gone like a madman through the site and changed all occurrences of padding: 0 to padding: 0 0 And I assume padding: 4px would become padding: 4px 4px, correct? - FYI: changing from... #container {padding: 0;} ...to... #container {padding: 1px 0;} ...is enough to get Opera 9 on board. It's still perfectly valid with this change, and doesn't affect other browsers. Opera 9 needs that element to take up space (for whatever reason), which it doesn't in your page at the moment. Any method will do. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Forget about Opera and Mac (and Windows Vista) ??
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RE: [WSG] Forget about Opera and Mac (and Windows Vista) ??
Have you used that yourself? Is anyone else using it? If I understand it correctly, the pool gets build up till there is enough money to buy a subscription and then that login gets shared among everyone? Still think those prices are out of this world, they would get everyone signing up if they brought their prices down.. -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Faulds Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2006 5:10 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Forget about Opera and Mac (and Windows Vista) ?? Not if you sign up to a group purchase: http://www.fundable.org/groupactions/BrowserCamGroup On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:47:28 +1000, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: is there anything else out there other than http://www.browsercam.com They seem to be pretty pricy *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design Web print design services www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Forget about Opera and Mac (and Windows Vista) ??
Ahh I see, better undo all those fixes that weren't fixes ;-) How about giving it a height of 100%? *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Forget about Opera and Mac (and Windows Vista) ??
Yes, thats right. Will give this a go, thanks. -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gunlaug Sørtun Sent: Friday, 27 October 2006 12:59 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Forget about Opera and Mac (and Windows Vista) ?? Taco Fleur wrote: Ahh I see, better undo all those fixes that weren't fixes ;-) How about giving it a height of 100%? If it's still Opera 9 you're trying to fix, then 'height: 100%' will work - at least in the window-version. Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Forget about Opera and Mac (and Windows Vista) ??
Thanks a million guys, much appreciated, that's the kind of response I was after. I'll definitely work on those issues (now that I have some answers). -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Philippe Wittenbergh Sent: Thursday, 26 October 2006 10:40 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Forget about Opera and Mac (and Windows Vista) ?? On Oct 26, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Taco Fleur wrote: I thought I'd post this question as a separate item, as it probably got lost in my previous post. Should I be thinking about fixing up the issues in Opera and on the Mac or just say tough luck! All pages validate www.pacificfox.com.au, and I have no idea what is causing the issues, mainly with the 4 top buttons. http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=294234 7966358.JPG (Explorer 5.2 on Mac) 7966370.JPG (Opera) 7966382.JPG (Opera) The issues with IE 5 Mac are dead easy to fix. The li around those 4 buttons is floated, but you don't specify a width for it. Remember that IE 5 Mac is a CSS 2.0 browser, and that a width is **required** on floated boxes. http://www.l-c-n.com/IE5tests/float2misc/ http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/visuren.html#floats The Opera issues are puzzling. And then there is http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=294540 Internet Explorer V7 I have no experience with IE7, is it maybe still in Beta, is that why it is displaying this badly? The pages validate properly. IE 7 has been released recently and will be pushed through software update soon. It doesn't look as bad as on your screenshots. http://emps.l-c-n.com/bm/pacificfox.png The main issue seem with those grey headings and the more button. div.h3 seems to have a width of 0 (zero). Philippe --- Philippe Wittenbergh http://emps.l-c-n.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] image disappears sporadically on mouse over - site check
Dear all, We just published our new website, and there is one issue we can't seem to solve, it's related to the logo, it sometimes disappears for a fraction (I believe on mouse over). It is hard to replicate, but it does happen. Has anyone seen this before, and what would the fix be? Also, any other feedback in relation to the site would be much appreciated, eg. mark-up, semantics etc. (as long as it's related to the topic of this list). Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Taco Fleur - watch our new video online! http://pacificfox.tv/ - visit our newly designed website! http://www.pacificfox.com.au/ Pacific FoxT free call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au http://www.pacificfox.com.au/?source=email an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: * online, print, marketing information technology * website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads * hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions, streaming video and complete web strategies *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] image disappears sporadically on mouse over - site check
Yes that's the one I mean, I forgot to include a link www.pacificfox.com.au Thanks, we don't have opera installed, we only code for Mozilla and IE. But am more than happy to hear about any quick fixes you suggest to make it work in Opera. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] image disappears sporadically on mouse over - site check
OK, so it appears there are some issues, it would help if you actually point the issues out. I don't have access to a wide range of browsers. Any suggestions? - wasn't there some kind of tool that allowed you to see the website in different browser versions? -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ~davidLaakso Sent: Wednesday, 25 October 2006 10:07 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] image disappears sporadically on mouse over - site check Taco Fleur wrote: Yes that's the one I mean, I forgot to include a link www.pacificfox.com.au Thanks, we don't have opera installed, we only code for Mozilla and IE. You may want to view it in IE7. But am more than happy to hear about any quick fixes you suggest to make it work in Opera. ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] image disappears sporadically on mouse over - site check
Thanks, this is helpful. I added: #navigation a { text-decoration: none; } Which should have taken care of the issue listed below. -- Forgot to mention, in Safari 2.0.4, a horizontal line showing up on top of each big button (1. click here to view our portfolio, 2..., 3 4) and the 'mor' buttons. It looks to me it's caused by a:link {text-decoration: underline;} as the color is the same as text link you have. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] image disappears sporadically on mouse over - site check
That's it thanks. I see there is a problem with the buttons on capture 7966358.JPG http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=294234 Would anyone know how to overcome this problem? Maybe just get rid of the list item and use absolute positioned DIVs? The problem is only on the MAC. In Opera 9.0 on Windows 2000 Professional it doesn't appear to load the stylesheet, is that a problem I can overcome? Opera seems to make a mess of it no matter what, even though the pages validate. The funny thing is, all pages (except the form) validates, so, should I be implementing hacks now, or have I still made mistakes with some of the CSS/Mark-up? IE 4 is a mess, but I won't do anything about that. -Original Message- There are 17 screen captures here (linux, mac, win2000, and xp). Some of them did not come out. That sometimes happens. Use the trial service to ret-ake them. http://www.browsercam.com/public.aspx?proj_id=294231 Best, ~dL -- http://chelseacreekstudio.com/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] different spacing across browser p in li
I was wondering if someone knew why there is a larger spacing above the form in Internet Explorer? http://www.clickfind.com.au/advertiser/register.cfm in Firefox it looks ok, the ol id=lth is right above the form Also wondering if someone could answer the question someone else asked on this list in regards to a p tag in a li tag, is it needed? To me it is a paragraph, but I could be wrong, do you not use a p tag within a list item? Kind regards, Taco Fleur - watch our new video online! http://pacificfox.tv/ Pacific FoxT free call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au http://www.pacificfox.com.au/?source=email an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: * online, print, marketing information technology * website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads * hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions, streaming video and complete web strategies *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] different spacing across browser p in li
Thanks, any suggestions on how to solve that? I can't remove the clear:left Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Faulds Sent: Monday, 16 October 2006 9:21 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] different spacing across browser p in li Seems to be the inline clear:left on your form which is causing the trouble in IE. As for using other block level elements within a list item, I don't see the need for them unless your list items contains more than one line of content. If you want to differentiate between two paragraphs or if the content is quite long, then definitely use p tags, but in your case your content is only 2-3 words long. Lists are perfectly valid containers of content by themselves and I think they're fine in your case. On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:51:21 +1000, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] list-image cross browser position
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox Hello all, is there any way to have a list-image in the same position across Internet Explorer and Firefox? In IE the image is very close to the text, in Firefox it is just about where I would like it to be. Thanks in advance. Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] list-image cross browser position
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox http://clickfind.com.au Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco FleurSent: Friday, 13 October 2006 9:24 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] list-image cross browser position Hello all, is there any way to have a list-image in the same position across Internet Explorer and Firefox? In IE the image is very close to the text, in Firefox it is just about where I would like it to be. Thanks in advance. Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] list-image cross browser position
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox Thanks, sounds like a plan.. Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frances BerrimanSent: Friday, 13 October 2006 9:52 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG] list-image cross browser position Using list image is notoriously annoying to get lined up right. Ditch it and apply background images to your list items and position your text accordingly with margins.You'll find it a lot easier to get it the same across browsers. (btw the pacific fox logo that applies itself to the top of my reply is wonderful :/ ) FRANCES BERRIMAN http://fberriman.com From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco FleurSent: 13 October 2006 12:24To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] list-image cross browser position Hello all, is there any way to have a list-image in the same position across Internet Explorer and Firefox? In IE the image is very close to the text, in Firefox it is just about where I would like it to be. Thanks in advance. Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies__This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** __This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]*** ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
[WSG] List background images disappearing
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox I am having some trouble with list background images disappearing on http://development.clickfind.com.au/contact-us.cfmand http://development.clickfind.com.au/why-clickfind.cfm ol.styled li {list-style-type: none;background-position: left;background-repeat: no-repeat;padding-left: 30px;margin-left: -30px;}ol.styled .nrb-1 {background-image: url(../image/bullet/nrb-1.gif);} I have also tried ol.styled li {list-style-type: none;background-position: left top;background-repeat: no-repeat;padding-left: 30px;} I went from using list style images to using a background because it is more consistent across browsers, but it is also giving me a hard time, any advice would be much appreciated. thanks in advance. Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] List background images disappearing
Thanks a million, that seems to work nicely, although I don't understand the finer details of it. Re: p in list item, not sure either whether I need it or not, saves me from having to style the text though. Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Faulds Sent: Saturday, 14 October 2006 10:45 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] List background images disappearing It's a hasLayout issue. Try this: ol.styled { list-style: none; margin-left: 0; padding-left: 0; } ol.styled li { background-position: 0 0; background-repeat: no-repeat; padding: 2px 0 2px 30px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; } * html ol.styled li { height: 1%; } ol.styled p { margin: 0; } (Not sure that you actually need the extra p inside your list items.) On Sat, 14 Oct 2006 10:00:27 +1000, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having some trouble with list background images disappearing on http://development.clickfind.com.au/contact-us.cfm and http://development.clickfind.com.au/why-clickfind.cfm ol.styled li { list-style-type: none; background-position: left; background-repeat: no-repeat; padding-left: 30px; margin-left: -30px; } ol.styled .nrb-1 { background-image: url(../image/bullet/nrb-1.gif); } I have also tried ol.styled li { list-style-type: none; background-position: left top; background-repeat: no-repeat; padding-left: 30px; } I went from using list style images to using a background because it is more consistent across browsers, but it is also giving me a hard time, any advice would be much appreciated. thanks in advance. Kind regards, Taco Fleur - watch our http://pacificfox.tv/ new video online! _ Pacific FoxT free call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au http://www.pacificfox.com.au/?source=email an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: * online, print, marketing information technology * website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads * hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions, streaming video and complete web strategies *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Apply style to li only
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox Is there a way to apply a style to the li tag only? For example; when I have an ordered list, I would like the numbers to have the same font typeas the paragraphs p, to do so I apply a style to the ul or li but that is inherited by anything within the li tag. Thanks in advance... Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
[WSG] different position in Firefox - site check
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox Hello all, I have a page that validates, however in IE it is in the right position, but when looking at it in Firefox it is approx 12px lower than in IE. http://www.pacificfox.com.au/infiniti/phone-systems.htm Would anyone have any idea why? Thanks in advance. Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] different position in Firefox - site check
Hi, thanks. Yes, that is due to testing, once it is fixed it will be moved to include files as the rest of the site. Even with just position:relative there it doesn't make a difference and the problem is still there. Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Faulds Sent: Tuesday, 3 October 2006 2:17 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] different position in Firefox - site check You've got this applied to the div that contains those links: postion:absolute;height: 28px; position:relative It looks like it should probably be absolute but the relative is going to override the absolute as it comes last. Also, all that inline style is not recommended - it should be moved to your stylesheet. On Tue, 03 Oct 2006 13:47:51 +1000, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I have a page that validates, however in IE it is in the right position, but when looking at it in Firefox it is approx 12px lower than in IE. http://www.pacificfox.com.au/infiniti/phone-systems.htm Would anyone have any idea why? Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Taco Fleur - watch our http://pacificfox.tv/ new video online! _ Pacific FoxT free call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au http://www.pacificfox.com.au/?source=email an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: * online, print, marketing information technology * website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads * hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions, streaming video and complete web strategies *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design Web print design services www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Disappearing LI
Thanks, that works like a charm. Only thing is, I lost the clickable area, only text is clickable, I mean I can live with this, but it would be easier if the whole area was clickable. Thanks again... Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Faulds Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2006 9:02 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Disappearing LI Try removing the width from #cleaning-categories li p a. On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:39:58 +1000, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have a page (valid HTML) http://www.redlandscleaningsolutions.com.au/cleaning-product-categorie s.cfm when moving the mouse over the li the numbers disappear, would anyone know what causes that? Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Taco Fleur - watch our http://pacificfox.tv/ new video online! _ Pacific FoxT free call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au http://www.pacificfox.com.au/?source=email an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: * online, print, marketing information technology * website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads * hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions, streaming video and complete web strategies *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Disappearing LI
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox Hi all, I have a page (valid HTML) http://www.redlandscleaningsolutions.com.au/cleaning-product-categories.cfm when moving the mouse over the li the numbers disappear, would anyone know what causes that? Thanks in advance. Kind regards,Taco Fleur watch our new video online! Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions,streaming video and complete web strategies ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
[WSG] Site check: lot's of space where there shouldn't be any
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox Good morning all, We have a page that is displaying an enormous amount of white where there shouldn't be any. I validated the page http://development.yellaterra.com.au:92/products/car-performance/product-detail/index.cfm?productCategoryIdentity=2modelIdentity=2and it's fine. In Firefox however there is about 250px space between the "Make: British Leyland Model: "A" Series" and the header "Cylinder Heads", I was wondering if anyone knew what is causing that? There are a few more issues on this page, but I'll stick with asking for help on the space for now. Thanks in advance for any help. Kind regards,Taco Fleur Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions and web strategy ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] Site check: lot's of space where there shouldn't be any
Thanks guys, that fixed it... Although I don't understand the physics of it ;-) Yes, we still need to preload the images. Thanks for the reminder Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! Good morning all, We have a page that is displaying an enormous amount of white where there shouldn't be any. I validated the page http://development.yellaterra.com.au:92/products/car-performance/produ ct-detail/index.cfm?productCategoryIdentity=2modelIdentity=2 http://development.yellaterra.com.au:92/products/car-performance/prod uct-detail/index.cfm?productCategoryIdentity=2modelIdentity=2 and it's fine. In Firefox however there is about 250px space between the Make: *British Leyland* Model: *A Series* and the header Cylinder Heads, I was wondering if anyone knew what is causing that? There are a few more issues on this page, but I'll stick with asking for help on the space for now. Thanks in advance for any help. Taco, It looks like a clear:right issue on your content there. It's simply dropping below the right menu. Try enlarging/shrinking the text and you'll see it move along with the height of the menu. The div above the heading where the trouble begins seems to behave, so you may want to consider moving your content either into that div or nesting everything into a div that handles the whole main column. I also noticed that your rollovers are being bad - disappearing on rollover until everything loads (IE7 and Firefox). I'm guessing your switching images instead of changing background positions on one image - bad Taco! *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] jumping content
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox We have some jumping content on http://development.yellaterra.com.au:92/products/car-performance/products-results.cfm?modelIdentity=21btnSubmit.x=82btnSubmit.y=11the "Matching products" div in the middle. I've read http://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.htmlbut can't seem to get my head around the fix. Is anyone able to provide a direct fix for this, or point to a document that explains it in layman terms? Thanks. Kind regards,Taco Fleur Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions and web strategy ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] a href links not 100%
Weird, I am looking at it in Firefox 1.5 and IE 6 In Firefox the links (sub nav) for example private training home completely cover the whole 180px, in IE only the text is linked. Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of arun swaroop Sent: Tuesday, 5 September 2006 7:50 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] a href links not 100% HI, I checked this in FF 1.5 with 1024x768 full screen size on windows I don't find any mistake. Also checked in IE 6 and Mozilla 1.7.12. I seems to be fine. Regards, -Arun --- Ján Varhol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, If you mean the links in a menu. i got it covered in full width to the right border. I am using Opera 9.0 undex Fedora Core 5 Linux with 1024x768 full screen size. in Firefox 1.0.8 it is ok too. I don't see a mistake. have a nice day, Ján Varhol http://www.varhol.sk/ ICQ:246-997-393 2006/9/5, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know why the links on http://www.executiveresults.com.au/new/personal-training.cfm only cover the text area within the a tag? In firefox it covers the whole 180px Display is set to block, but still it won't cover the whole area. Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Taco Fleur Pacific Fox free call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions and web strategy *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- S pozdravom, Ján Varhol www.varhol.sk [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 246997393 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Site check please
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox I was wondering if someone could please do a site check. I validated the following pages, and they all passed the test; http://www.executiveresults.com.au/new/ http://www.executiveresults.com.au/new/private-training/our-trainers.cfm http://www.executiveresults.com.au/new/boot-camp/join-now.cfm http://www.executiveresults.com.au/new/boot-camp.cfm http://www.executiveresults.com.au/new/new/_resource/style/default.css It looks pixel perfect in Firefox but in Internet Explorer there is this little issue with one pixel in the top right hand corner (1px white line showing) - there are other issues in IE listed further down. http://www.executiveresults.com.au/new/ http://www.executiveresults.com.au/new/boot-camp.cfm has quite a big issue with the top having a big white space, and the sub menu being out of place. The form doesn't look to healthy either. http://www.executiveresults.com.au/new/personal-training.cfm Just seems to have that one pixel issue at the top and also displacing the sub navigation by one pixel. Any help would be much appreciated. Couple of other issues I am aware of; - need to preload the mouse overs - some pages produce 404, because they haven't been done yet. Any other comments improvements more than welcome. Thanks in advance. Kind regards,Taco Fleur Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions and web strategy ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
RE: [WSG] Site check please
Thanks Jesse, That did help, feel a bit weird about adding an extra div just to fix the issue, but I guess there is no other way. The problems with the form looking odd is now fixed. Few little issues left in Internet Explorer. Again, all pages validate. http://www.executiveresults.com.au/new/private-training/start-now.cfm The arrow pointing down (in the legend tag) in Firefox displays fine, in IE it's all the way to the right, which is not correct. On every page there is the one pixel issue on the top right-hand (displaying a white bit) and the sub navigation displaying one pixel to the left. On the http://www.executiveresults.com.au/new/private-training/our-trainers.cfm page the sub menu lines up with the photo in Firefox, but in IE it goes beyond the photo. Thanks for all the help! Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jesse Skinner Sent: Monday, 4 September 2006 12:24 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org; Taco Fleur Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check please http://www.executiveresults.com.au/new/boot-camp.cfm has quite a big issue with the top having a big white space, and the sub menu being out of place. The form doesn't look to healthy either. The two are related - it's the spacing around the submit button that breaks the rest of the page. I fixed it by wrapping the submit button in a div tag like: divinput type=submit name=doSubmit value=Submit this form/div There is probably a css-only solution but I didn't find it. Also, setting the width of the rest of the inputs to 99% instead of 100% fixed the form: form.styled div.row input { width: 99% } Hope that helps. All the best, Jesse JavaScript and CSS expert for hire http://www.thefutureoftheweb.com *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Jumping content in IE
Title: Website design - Pacific Fox I know this issue is well known, but I can't find the fix. I have some jumping content in IE (can't provide a link to it unfortunately at this stage). Was it negative margins or something that would fix it? Thanks in advance. Kind regards,Taco Fleur Pacific Foxfree call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads hosting, e-commerce, domain names, sms solutions and web strategy ***List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmUnsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfmHelp: [EMAIL PROTECTED]***
[WSG] [OT] email signatures
Sorry for this OT, but I know you guys are quite knowledge on these things, and I have been battling with this issues for a while, so are other people from Pacific Fox. This is my last resort! We all have email signatures with our logo in it, we are using Outlook 2003 and some are using 2000. I've tried to get the HTML for the signature valid, but I am under the impression it doesn't matter whether it is valid or not. Anyways, the main issue we are having is the fact the logo in the signature plays up, I have tried everything, in some outgoing emails it shows up, and in some it doesn't. I've even seen the logo disappear from the new email itself while typing. In some emails it goes out as an attachment, even though I don't do anything different than on other occasions. I really don't want to give up on the logo as I believe it has an impact, but I am on the verge of giving up. Desperately hoping someone on this list might have a clue what is going on. Kind regards,Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] [OT] email signatures
Oooh, my apologies for the OT which has caused a stir. Please forget I ever asked. What was I thinking. Kind regards,Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message-From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:listdad@webstandardsgroup.org] On Behalf Of Nick GleitzmanSent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 10:45 AMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: Re: [WSG] [OT] email signaturesTaco Fleur wrote: We all have email signatures with our logo in it, we are using Outlook 2003 and some are using 2000. I've tried to get the HTML for the signature valid...You've only got to View Source on your own message to see the cr*p that MS generates:IMG=20style=3D"MARGIN: 1em 0px; BORDER-TOP-STYLE: none; BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE:none;= BORDER-LEFT-STYLE: none; BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE: none"=20height=3D26 alt=3D"Pacific Fox#8482; #8212; web strategists"src="">[EMAIL PROTECTED]"=20width=3D148Can't see that validating, somehow...And look at the src for the image: "cid:828171900@02082006-09F8". Does that make any sense to you?Suggestions:(1) Code your sig (if you can) so it calls the image file from a web server(2) Ask Microsoft - it's their software(3) Re-read the Guidelines for this list ;)N___Omnivision. Websight.http://www.omnivision.com.au/**The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] cursor: default; or something else
Thanks! Not sure how you figured out what I was after, after reading my own cryptic email I would not have made sense out of it ;-) Yes, I think default out of the available is best to, I was thinking about the WAIT cursor, because when hovering over the null item we are really waiting for them to make a selection. Although that one did not feel right Kind regards,Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cole KuryakinSent: Monday, 10 July 2006 4:38 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: RE: [WSG] cursor: default; or something else Taco For what its worth, I always use the default cursor (arrow) on my nav hrefs that are nulled (#) on a landing page. IMO its much better indication that the hover is not clickable. Cole **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: Re: Re: [WSG] image border inside
Thanks everyone, especially Oskar and Adam, I will be using your solutions. Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] image border inside
Hold on, that would give me a 2px border around the image, I want a 2px border inside the image, i.e. 2px border overlay over the existing image. Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Montoya Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 1:50 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] image border inside On 7/10/06, Taco Fleur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know whether it is possible with CSS to create a border onmouseover/hover inside the image? I have a design I need to implement that has some images with a 2px border inside the image on mouse over, the images are uploaded by the client and the client will not be able to create the 2px border herself. I was thinking something like the following #apartment-image div a:hover { display: block; border: 2px solid red; width: 109px; height: 82px; position: relative; z-index: 99; } But that doesn't work, I was hoping it would create a 2px border overlay on the image. Thanks in advance. #apartment-image div a:hover img { border: 2px solid red; } This is what you should do. -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.com ... portfolio.christianmontoya.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] image border inside
OK, the following is what I have now: #apartment-image div a { margin: 0px 6px 11px 0; } #apartment-image div a img { cursor: default; position: relative; z-index: 1; } #apartment-image div a:hover { display: block; border: 2px solid red; width: 105px; height: 78px; position: relative; z-index: 99; padding: -2px; margin: -2px; } In mozilla it does some strange stuff, the red border is around the image, not over it. As a last resort I can just decrease the image size by 2px, but ultimately that is not what I am after. Thanks. Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] image border inside
Got it (sort of) works in Firefox, not explorer.. - #apartment-image div a { margin: 0px 6px 11px 0; position: relative; cursor: default; display: block; width: 105px; height: 78px; } #apartment-image div a:hover span { position: absolute; display: block; border: 2px solid red; width: 105px; height: 78px; top: 0; left: 0; z-index: 99; } #apartment-image div a img { position: absolute; top: 0; left: 0; z-index: 1; } Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] image border inside
Result can be found on http://www.apartmentrealty.com.au/site/apartment/full-detail.cfm?apartmentId entity=1 In IE it shows a black border, but that one is in the image itself, in firefox it works. There is a lot of space after the first image which I don't know where it is coming from, anyone? Thanks. Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] image border inside
Thanks, same thing, works in Firefox, not IE. What a shame, I wonder why? Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] cursor: default; or something else
Out of interested, what would one consider the most user friendliest cursor to display on hover http://www.apartmentrealty.com.au/site/apartment/full-detail.cfm?apartmentIdentity=1? I have cursor: default; I don't want to display the hand as it makes people think it is clickable. Kind regards,Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 or mobile 0421 851 786 fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 our services: online, print, marketing information technology website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] image border inside
Hi Gene, That might be an option to look at, will have a play with this later. Thanks. Kind regards, Taco Fleur free call 1800 032 982 - fax 07 3414 6464, international +61 7 3325 5103 www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial experience since 1994 . our services: - online, print, marketing information technology - website, branding, logo, business cards, letterheads - accept online credit card payments www.commerceengine.com.au - domain registrations, .com for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .com.au for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gene Falck Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 2:56 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] image border inside Hi Taco, In regard to your attempt to get an inside border effect, I see a few ideas were floated but you wrote: OK, the following is what I have now: ... In mozilla it does some strange stuff, the red border is around the image, not over it. As a last resort I can just decrease the image size by 2px, but ... The instances in your code look like this is a matter of styling links. Would it be possible to set the links to display: block, size them 2px by 2px smaller than the graphic, put the graphic in as a background positioned -2px top and left, and add the 2px borders to the block? I have no idea how good this would be for cross- browser but I have been playing around with the idea of styling links like buttons and it seems to work in IE6, Mozilla 1.7, and a recent Safari that my daughter uses. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] [OT] Max length of title and description
Hi Lindsay, That's excellent, thanks. Just what I was after. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
[WSG] [OT] Max length of title and description
Hello, not sure whether this it OT or not? Trying to figure out the maximum length allowed for the title tag and description meta tag. I've looked at www.w3.org just can't seem to find my way around it. Kind regards, Taco Fleur Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851 786Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 Web Design and Development Accept online Credit Cardpayments www.commerceengine.com.au SMS Solutions, including developer API Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteendollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollarstwo years! **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
[WSG] Jumping content in Firefox
Hello all, Does anyone know why my content jumps in Firefox and not Internet Explorer? The website is on http://www.apartmentrealty.com.au/site/ When going from page to page the content jumps in Firefox which is very annoying and I know the client will complain about it. Any pointers would be much appreciated. Kind regards, Taco Fleur Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851 786Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 Web Design and Development Accept online Credit Cardpayments www.commerceengine.com.au SMS Solutions, including developer API Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteendollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollarstwo years! **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
[WSG] absolute positioned element not displaying where it should in FireFox
http://www.apartmentrealty.com.au/site/search/search-results.cfm The icons for bed, bath and parking do not display in the position they should in Firefox, they should be displayed in the grey table header on the right from Ipanema Luxury Apartment $650 pw It displays correct in IE, I can't figure out what it is. Any help is appreciated. Kind regards, Taco Fleur Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851 786Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 Web Design and Development Accept online Credit Cardpayments www.commerceengine.com.au SMS Solutions, including developer API Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteendollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollarstwo years! **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] absolute positioned element not displaying where it should in FireFox
I believe everyone's been getting an error on that URL, that will teach me to make a change sent an email and leave. The URL should now be visible,my apologiesfor any wasted time. Kind regards, Taco Fleur Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851 786Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 Web Design and Development Accept online Credit Cardpayments www.commerceengine.com.au SMS Solutions, including developer API Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteendollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollarstwo years! From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Taco FleurSent: Tuesday, 13 June 2006 3:58 PMTo: wsg@webstandardsgroup.orgSubject: [WSG] absolute positioned element not displaying where it should in FireFox http://www.apartmentrealty.com.au/site/search/search-results.cfm The icons for bed, bath and parking do not display in the position they should in Firefox, they should be displayed in the grey table header on the right from Ipanema Luxury Apartment $650 pw It displays correct in IE, I can't figure out what it is. Any help is appreciated. Kind regards, Taco Fleur Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851 786Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 Web Design and Development Accept online Credit Cardpayments www.commerceengine.com.au SMS Solutions, including developer API Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteendollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollarstwo years! **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfmfor some hints on posting to the list getting help** **The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help**
RE: [WSG] absolute positioned element not displaying where it should in FireFox
Thanks.. Kind regards, Taco Fleur Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851 786 Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 . * Web Design and Development * Accept online Credit Card payments www.commerceengine.com.au * SMS Solutions, including developer API * Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of RobS Sent: Tuesday, 13 June 2006 8:51 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: RE: [WSG] absolute positioned element not displaying where it should in FireFox Hi Taco Fleur wrote on 13-06-2006: I was hoping for an explanation as to why it wasn't working (curious, looks like it's all correct and should work), as a last resort I will give your suggestions a go. Thanks for your help. I'd guess it to be something to do with your relative positioning of table cells as a means of controlling the contained absolute positioning of the icons. From the w3c http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/visuren.html on css 2.1 The effect of 'position:relative' on table-row-group, table-header-group, table-footer-group, table-row, table-column-group, table-column, table-cell, and table-caption elements is undefined. Best regards Rob ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Layout problem
That sounds good, I am going to give that a go, cheers. Kind regards, Taco Fleur Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851 786 Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 . * Web Design and Development * SMS Solutions, including developer API * Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joseph R. B. Taylor Sent: Thursday, 27 April 2006 3:59 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Layout problem You could try putting the background image of the lady in a div with a top margin to keep it from ever crossing into the heading. Joseph R. B. Taylor Sites by Joe, LLC http://sitesbyjoe.com (609)335-3076 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Taco Fleur wrote: I've made a huge mistake by not thinking about the fact that not everyone has a large screen, please see http://www.web-strategists.com/index.html When you resize the browser or have a small screen the image overlap the photo of the lady, it's pretty ugly. Question is; does anyone have any ideas on how to keep the same sort of effect/layout but making sure the images do not overlap? Any help is much appreciated. Kind regards, *Taco Fleur* (Mobile 0421 851 786) Commerce Engine Pty Ltd - *Australia's leading online /Payment Gateway/* . Local Call *1300 859 179* Postal Address: PO Box 15118, City East Brisbane, Queensland, 4002, Australia Head office: 31 Valencia Court, Eatons Hill, Queensland, 4037, Australia Telephone: +61 (0) 7 3857 3881 Fax: +61 (0) 7 3414 6464 Internet: http://www.commerceengine.com.au http://www.commerceengine.com.au/ * Accepting payments online is easy * Developer API, XML, POST * Low fees * Full integration by a one-stop-shop -- -- The information contained in this email may be confidential. You should only disclose, re-transmit, copy, distribute, act in reliance on or commercialise the information if you are authorised to do so. Any views expressed in this email communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Commerce Engine Pty Ltd. Any advice contained in this e-mail has been prepared without taking into account your objectives, financial situation or needs. Before acting on any advice in this e-mail, Commerce Engine recommends that you consider whether it is appropriate for your circumstances. Commerce Engine does not represent, warrant or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference. Commerce Engine Pty Ltd ACN 118 850 552 ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] [OT] .com.au Domain Names and Host - THREAD CLOSED
Sorry, this message was not in the same thread, thus I did not read it until I scrolled down in my email client. Kind regards, Taco Fleur Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851 786 Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 . * Web Design and Development * SMS Solutions, including developer API * Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of russ - maxdesign Sent: Tuesday, 25 April 2006 9:15 AM To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG] [OT] .com.au Domain Names and Host - THREAD CLOSED THREAD CLOSED Please reply offlist to Ed. Russ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] [OT] .com.au Domain Names and Host
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[WSG] Layout problem
I've made a huge mistake by not thinking about the fact that not everyone has a large screen, please see http://www.web-strategists.com/index.html When you resize the browser or have a small screen the image overlap the photo of the lady, it's pretty ugly. Question is; does anyone have any ideas on how to keep the same sort of effect/layout but making sure the images do not overlap? Any help is much appreciated. Kind regards, Taco Fleur (Mobile 0421 851 786) Commerce Engine Pty Ltd - Australias leading online Payment Gateway Local Call 1300 859 179Postal Address: PO Box 15118, City East Brisbane, Queensland, 4002, AustraliaHead office: 31 Valencia Court, Eatons Hill, Queensland, 4037, AustraliaTelephone: +61 (0) 7 3857 3881Fax: +61 (0) 7 3414 6464Internet: http://www.commerceengine.com.au Accepting payments online is easy Developer API, XML, POST Low fees Full integration by a one-stop-shop The information contained in this email may be confidential. You should only disclose, re-transmit, copy, distribute, act in reliance on or commercialise the information if you are authorised to do so. Any views expressed in this email communication are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Commerce Engine Pty Ltd. Any advice contained in this e-mail has been prepared without taking into account your objectives, financial situation or needs. Before acting on any advice in this e-mail, Commerce Engine recommends that you consider whether it is appropriate for your circumstances. Commerce Engine does not represent, warrant or guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that the communication is free of errors, virus or interference.Commerce Engine Pty Ltd ACN 118 850 552
RE: [WSG] Site check please www.commerceengine.com.au/index.htm
Cheers will do.. Kind regards, Taco Fleur Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851 786 Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 . * Web Design and Development * SMS Solutions, including developer API * Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of kvnmcwebn Sent: Wednesday, 12 April 2006 3:00 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check please www.commerceengine.com.au/index.htm in firefox the top nav bar background images dissapear initially on rollover. pre-load rollover states bg image in there. -kvnmcwebn ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **
RE: [WSG] Site check please www.commerceengine.com.au/index.htm
Thanks, comments taken onboard, put a bit more space between the images. Will have a look at the darkness of the blue box. We are not worried about people having images off at this stage, when they have images and css off they would be able to navigate ;-) Kind regards, Taco Fleur Free Call 1800 032 982 or Mobile 0421 851 786 Pacific Fox http://www.pacificfox.com.au an industry leader with commercial IT experience since 1994 . * Web Design and Development * SMS Solutions, including developer API * Domain Registration, .COM for as low as fifteen dollars a year, .COM.AU for fifty dollars two years! -Original Message- From: listdad@webstandardsgroup.org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thierry Koblentz Sent: Tuesday, 11 April 2006 9:28 AM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] Site check please www.commerceengine.com.au/index.htm Taco Fleur wrote: Haven't done this before, but thought I'd give it a go since we really want to make sure this site is easy to use and understand, we'd appreciate any feedback you might have for us. www.commerceengine.com.au/index.htm www.commerceengine.com.au/_resource/style/default.css The idea on the front-page is to first make our products stand out, then provide a little summary into each one of the main navigation buttons. Looks nice; the blue box seems to be a bit dark on my monitor though. I'd give some room to the images in the sidebar. Navigation links are not accessible with images off [0] Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com [0] http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/scalable.asp /plug ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list getting help **