Finding out where perl is
parody
Stop, stop, this script archive is not ready yet! Where are the Hello
world examples? Where are the detailed instructions? And why are you
actually working on these scripts yet!
/parody
You're all getting ahead of yourselves. We need to write a set of
At Wed, 14 Mar 2001 10:19:42 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Finding out where perl is
parody
Stop, stop, this script archive is not ready yet! Where are the Hello
world examples? Where are the detailed instructions? And why are you
actually working on these scripts
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Mark Fowler wrote:
Finding out where perl is
parody
Stop, stop, this script archive is not ready yet! Where are the Hello
world examples? Where are the detailed instructions? And why are you
actually working on these scripts yet!
/parody
*giggle*
L.
delete
Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Finding out where perl is
parody
Stop, stop, this script archive is not ready yet! Where are the Hello
world examples? Where are the detailed instructions? And why are you
actually working on these scripts yet!
/parody
You're all getting
At 10:54 14/03/01 +, you wrote:
Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Finding out where perl is
Ooh, 'configure.cgi'.
If only we could assume that they had a working perl on the box that
they were installing from then we could write a cunning installer
script which uploaded
(What do you mean with "not-inplace cgi"?)
Some servers (like my own) are configured to allow you to run perl scripts
anywhere.
Some servers (especially in the paranoid ISP land) are configured to have
a /cgi-bin/ where you have to put files in that will be 'executed'.
Typically you cannot
At Wed, 14 Mar 2001 11:28:19 + (GMT), Mark Fowler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
(What do you mean with "not-inplace cgi"?)
Some servers (like my own) are configured to allow you to run perl
scripts anywhere.
We _like_ servers configured like this. Especially if they've got some
kind of
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, you wrote:
(What do you mean with "not-inplace cgi"?)
Some servers (like my own) are configured to allow you to run perl scripts
anywhere.
Some servers (especially in the paranoid ISP land) are configured to have
a /cgi-bin/ where you have to put files in that will
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 11:50:04AM +, Jon Eyre wrote:
In my experience, virtually *all* isps/hosting providers use the
'separate cgi-bin directory' configuration. either for the security
reasons outlined by evil dave ...
Eh-hem.
Evil Dave's server does *not* use seperate cgi-bin
At Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:52:33 -, "Robert Shiels" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I was looking for the mailing list subscription details on our
london.pm.org website, and thought they were a bit hidden down on
the "what we've done" page. I think they should probably be more
prominent, probably
Dave Cross [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth:
*
*Exclusivity! Take a good look round next time you're at a meeting and
*tell me how exclusive you think we are :)
*
*But, yes, I have _lots_ of ideas for a revamp of the web site. I might
*even have time to do it some time this year.
There is also a
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 12:46:45PM +, Jon Eyre wrote:
oops...
Heh. Just remember, Evil Dave is the paranoid nutcase, Dave Cross is the
one with the gold-plated cat.
At Wed, 14 Mar 2001 13:05:05 +, David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Evil Dave's server does *not* use
My several users use scp.
is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows
clients? my several users require them, or they'll just continue
using ftp, because it's *easier*... People are lazy, and security
measures which are a pain in the arse will fail to work because the
At Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:34:32 + (GMT), Jon Eyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My several users use scp.
is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows
clients? my several users require them, or they'll just continue
using ftp, because it's *easier*...
They won't if you
On or about Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:34:32PM +, Jon Eyre typed:
is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows
clients?
PuTTY.
my several users require them, or they'll just continue
using ftp, because it's *easier*... People are lazy, and security
measures which are a pain
is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows?
On Windows I use pscp which comes from the same people as putty. It
works well, but it doesn't have a pretty graphical front-end.
Yes there is. http://www.i-tree.org/ixplorer.htm.
I suggest you peeps read
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
At Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:34:32 + (GMT), Jon Eyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My several users use scp.
is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows
clients? my several users require them, or they'll just continue
using ftp,
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:55:28PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:34:32PM +, Jon Eyre wrote:
My several users use scp.
is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows
clients? my several users require them, or they'll just continue
using ftp,
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
At Wed, 14 Mar 2001 14:34:32 + (GMT), Jon Eyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My several users use scp.
is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows
clients? my several users
On or about Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 04:00:22PM +, Greg McCarroll typed:
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
They won't if you stop running the ftp daemon on the server :)
Rule one of security:
Ensure availability for authorised users
Rule zero of security:
A system with no
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:57:41PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
On or about Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:34:32PM +, Jon Eyre typed:
is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows
clients?
PuTTY.
SCP for Windoz = http://winscp.vse.cz/eng/
SCP for Linux = well, command
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:55:28PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
I've been thinking that, while not ideal, webDAV is probably the best
option here. I'm told it's a) secure-ish, and b) integrates nicely
with Dreamweaver and whatever microsoft's
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:57:41PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
On or about Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:34:32PM +, Jon Eyre typed:
is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows
clients?
PuTTY.
http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
In case anybody hasn't
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 03:08:03PM +, Struan Donald wrote:
and people are worrying about plain scp confusing people? ssh
tunneling is one of those things that appears close enough to magic
that people assume it is. damn useful magic though.
plus it always seems such a pain on windows
At 03:00 PM 14.3.2001 +, Leo Lapworth wrote:
If anyone hears of a good gui SCP client for non-OSX mac's I'd
really like to know (I've got users on my machine that need it!).
Can Fetch do it? At a glance, I don't see anything about SCP there, but then I've only
done a cursory check; it may
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 03:01:17PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
WebDAV is ok, but you'd need to run it over HTTPS to be secure.
WebDAV is not OK, cos it means installing yet more stuff on the server
which is simply not needed. If a user can't use scp, then I don't want
that user. I mean,
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 03:13:46PM -, Jonathan Peterson wrote:
There is a GUI front-end for pscp, available from
http://www.i-tree.org/, apparently, although I haven't tried it.
This is kind of flakey, and has trouble with stuff like files owned by a
user or group with more than 8
* Neil Ford ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:57:41PM +, Roger Burton West wrote:
On or about Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:34:32PM +, Jon Eyre typed:
is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows
clients?
PuTTY.
SCP for Windoz =
* at 14/03 14:59 + Mark Fowler said:
Do what we do. Keep everything running, but shove a whopping great
ipchains (or firewall of choice) in the way. If you want to access it,
ssh tunnel it first.
Would not ipsec be a better solution? It's transparent to the users,
and more reliable
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Dave Cross wrote:
At Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:10:02 +, David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 03:01:17PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
WebDAV is ok, but you'd need to run it over HTTPS to be secure.
WebDAV is not OK, cos it means installing
which is simply not needed. If a user can't use scp, then I
don't want
that user. I mean, it's not hard FFS.
Scp is not hard. Users should be able to use scp. However, the real point is
that scp sucks. scp is to a sensible way of transfering files what
command.com is to a good shell. scp
Yes there is. http://www.i-tree.org/ixplorer.htm.
I've since installed WinSCP, from the list of alternatives on OpenSSH This
is also based on PuTTY and isn't so, well, dodgy as iXplorer. Forget I
ever mentioned it.
Seems to work well for me. The interface is clunky (i.e. you have to
press
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, David Cantrell wrote:
WebDAV is not OK, cos it means installing yet more stuff on the server
which is simply not needed.
Using WebDAV on a internal staging server and then updating the live
server with something rsync-ish using scp might be a good
usability/security
* Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
At Wed, 14 Mar 2001 16:10:02 +, David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 03:01:17PM +, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
WebDAV is ok, but you'd need to run it over HTTPS to be secure.
WebDAV is not OK, cos it means
... and how much trouble you can get in for not knowing the difference:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/03/13/208259
Dave...
* at 14/03 15:22 + Michael Stevens said:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 04:10:02PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
WebDAV is not OK, cos it means installing yet more stuff on the server
which is simply not needed. If a user can't use scp, then I don't want
that user. I mean, it's not hard FFS.
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 03:22:59PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 04:10:02PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
WebDAV is not OK, cos it means installing yet more stuff on the server
which is simply not needed. If a user can't use scp, then I don't want
that user. I
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:
"In a recent survey, 9 out of 10 MS Windows users were found to have
difficulties maximising and moving their windows. Macintosh users were
not admitted to the tests because they had difficulties with the door
handle at the lab where the
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 03:50:14PM +, Struan Donald wrote:
* at 14/03 15:22 + Michael Stevens said:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 04:10:02PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
WebDAV is not OK, cos it means installing yet more stuff on the server
which is simply not needed. If a user can't
Wednesday, March 14, 2001, 11:34:16 AM, grep wrote:
GM * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
An admirable point of view in my opinion. Why would anyone possibly
want to run an ISP and have to deal with all the clueless people?
GM Mike J, you used to work for AOL, you should be more than
This is the eighth of hopefully many weekly summaries of the London
Perl Mongers mailing list. For the somewhat hectic week (we hit more
than a hundred messages a day again) starting 2001-03-12:
Don't forget the London.pm website for meetings etc. There isn't a
technical meeting on Thursday due
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:02:04PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
a picture of him drinking a beer from the London.pm website.
Misparse! Misparse! Misparse!
--
We use Linux for all our mission-critical applications. Having the source code
means that we are not held hostage by anyone's support
Leo Lapworth was trying to debug something with Devel::DProf and
couldn't understand why BEGIN was called more than once. Robert Price
and Mark Fowler pointed out that 'use Module LIST' is exactly
equivalent to 'BEGIN { require Module; import Module LIST; }', so the
module was being use-d in
Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream
That's not right. MIMEs do type/format (e.g. image/gif.) So it'd more
likely be:
Content-type: beer/guinness
Later.
Mark.
--
print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
Name = 'Mark Fowler',Title =
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, you wrote:
And they just give 'em out. No checks, no confirming with the
customers, nothing. There's little hope of
securing stuff if people can be socially
engineered so easily.
That's a matter of setting policy. If there's no policy in place to
prevent that,
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, you wrote:
enough people find moving/copying files on windows complex... when
you start introducing a second computer...
hmmm I wouldn't place such creatures as far up the food chain as 'people'
.. but I know what you mean.
--
Robin Szemeti
The box said "requires
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, you wrote:
Yes there is. http://www.i-tree.org/ixplorer.htm.
I've since installed WinSCP, from the list of alternatives on OpenSSH This
is also based on PuTTY and isn't so, well, dodgy as iXplorer. Forget I
ever mentioned it.
Terraterm and TTSSH are what I have on
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, you wrote:
Scp is not hard. Users should be able to use scp. However, the real point is
that scp sucks. scp is to a sensible way of transfering files what
command.com is to a good shell. scp is stateless.
scp makes you enter your
password, again, all the time.
err
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, you wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 04:10:02PM +, David Cantrell wrote:
WebDAV is not OK, cos it means installing yet more stuff on the server
which is simply not needed. If a user can't use scp, then I don't want
that user. I mean, it's not hard FFS.
Wednesday, March 14, 2001, 1:55:03 PM, Robin wrote:
RS there is a rather good ISP on Hawaii that plainly states 'the service is
RS not suitable for clueless users' .. ring em up and ask too many docile
RS questions and they pull your account ..
My gfriend in pharmacy school plans on having a
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:19:54PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream
Isn't that what happens in the bogs of Penderels Oak?
--
David Cantrell | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david/
This is a signature. There are many like it but
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:28:03PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
On Wed, 14 Mar 2001, you wrote:
That's a matter of setting policy. If there's no policy in place to
prevent that, then you can expect people to do it. If you have a security
policy which states that you will fire people for
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:44:55PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
I dont have a problem with scp .. but I can see it would annoy the drag
and drop brigade ... it works for me and I script those batch transfers
and site updates anyway .. I keep meaning to look at rsync over an ssh
tunnel but
* Mike Jarvis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
And don't even get her started on child proof caps.
yeah, tell me about it - those things are impossible to get open!
--
Greg McCarroll http://www.mccarroll.uklinux.net
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:39:12PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote:
* David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:19:54PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream
Isn't that what happens in the bogs of Penderels Oak?
Is it just me who has
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:19:54PM +, Michael Stevens wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:18:09PM +, Simon Cozens wrote:
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:02:04PM +, Leon Brocard wrote:
a picture of him drinking a beer from the London.pm website.
Misparse! Misparse! Misparse!
Robin Szemeti wrote:
of course if you _did_ want to discover a users password its
not that hard .. there are ways ... I believe we have some
world renowned experts on the topic at hand ... now where is
'merlin' when you need him :)
ITYM 'merlyn' (or 'q[merlyn]').
HTH. HAND.
Cheers,
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