Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12

2001-02-15 Thread Philip Newton

acme wrote:
 This london-list weekly summary has been brought to you with IRC
 nicknames instead of, err, real names. This is just an experiment - we
 reckon it's a bit silly and more confusing. What do you reckon?

I didn't know who "dumrats" was but it didn't take long to figure out.

Whether IRC names or "real" names are used depends, I suppose, on what you
know each other by.

However, I imagine if the weekly summaries are intended for the readers of
the list, using the names people use on the list might be better. Use IRC
names for summaries of #london.pm traffic :)

Just my EUR 0.02,

Cheers,
Philip
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Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12

2001-02-15 Thread Robin Szemeti


 This london-list weekly summary has been brought to you with IRC
 nicknames instead of, err, real names. This is just an experiment - we
 reckon it's a bit silly and more confusing. What do you reckon?

hmmm .. dunno .. you start off ok with 'blech' but then go on to use the
same name spelt the same way on subsequent uses. surely it would make
more sense to change one character each time in a humorous fashion.

just my GBP 0.02 worth ( ~ 8.67 EUR at current exchange rates )

-- 
Robin Szemeti

The box said "requires windows 95 or better"
So I installed Linux!



Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12

2001-02-15 Thread Robin Houston

On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:17:42AM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
 [...] summaries of #london.pm traffic :)

Now _there's_ an idea :-)

Is anyone feeling really, really bored?

 .robin.



Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12

2001-02-15 Thread Philip Newton

Robin Houston wrote:
 On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:17:42AM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
  [...] summaries of #london.pm traffic :)
 
 Now _there's_ an idea :-)
 
 Is anyone feeling really, really bored?

Isn't 30% of the traffic of the type "dadadodo for cream nauseous disgrace
extensibility"? :-)

Cheers,
Philip



Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-02-12

2001-02-15 Thread Dave Hodgkinson

Robin Houston [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:17:42AM +0100, Philip Newton wrote:
  [...] summaries of #london.pm traffic :)
 
 Now _there's_ an idea :-)
 
 Is anyone feeling really, really bored?

No, but I'm getting hungry...

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Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Robert Shiels

Is this a suitable place to talk about our server? I guess we should have a
separate mailing list for it eventually g

I was just wondering if we could make a list of things that have been
installed and services that are available. I would be willing to start a FAQ
and wish list if someone else isn't doing it already.

To start:

I'd like to be able to have a http://london.pm.org/~shiels web address, and
a cgi-bin directory.

I would like to have (at least) one mysql database to play with.

I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.

I doesn't make sense for us all to install things in our individual user
areas if we can share them instead.

There may of course be valid objections to doing some of the above, but it'd
be good if we had a dos and don'ts list in that case.

Thoughts?

--
Robert




Re: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:

 I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.


I think Meestah Cross has written something that does this, as have I and
I think that Tom Phoenix has released Inside now which is a properly
implemented way of doing same (I beta tested it for him and it worked
then).

/J\
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Re: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Roger Burton West

On or about Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 03:26:27PM -, Robert Shiels typed:

I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.

http://www.perlfaq.com/faqs/id/205

Roger



RE: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Jonathan Peterson


 To start:

 I'd like to be able to have a http://london.pm.org/~shiels
 web address, and
 a cgi-bin directory.

 I would like to have (at least) one mysql database to play with.

 I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.


Why don't we just install all of CPAN to begin with? We are a pm group no?

And can we have password based SSH(or whatever we have to call it now) as
well as PK based ?

And




Re: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Robert Shiels

From: "Jonathan Stowe" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 February 2001 15:40
Subject: Re: Penderel Configuration


 On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
 
  I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.
 

 I think Meestah Cross has written something that does this, as have I and
 I think that Tom Phoenix has released Inside now which is a properly
 implemented way of doing same (I beta tested it for him and it worked
 then).

Cool - perhaps we could have the output of one of these sent to the website
automatically every night...

--
/Robert




Re: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Robin Houston

On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 03:26:27PM -, Robert Shiels wrote:
 
 I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.

Add this handy alias to your ~/.bashrc and you'll be able to
find out whenever you like :-)

alias lsmodules='perldoc -m perllocal | perl -nle '\''print $1 if /L(.*?)/'\'' | 
sort -u | column'

Output follows.

 .robin.

Apache::AuthCookie  Digest::MD5 Parse::Yapp
Apache::DB  Getopt::LongSet::Object
Apache::DBI HTML::ParserStorable
Apache::Reload  HTML::TagsetTangram
Apache::SandwichlibapreqTemplate
Apache::Session libwww-perl Text::Autoformat
Apache::Stage   libxml-enno Tie::IxHash
AppConfig   libxml-perl URI
CGI MIME::Base64XML::Parser
Data::ShowTable mod_perlXML::RSS
Date::Manip Msql-Mysql-modules  XML::XPath
DBI Net
Devel::Symdump  Net::IRC



RE: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread jo walsh


  I'd like to be able to have a http://london.pm.org/~shiels
  web address, and
  a cgi-bin directory.

k i can do the ~/public_html thing and sort this out is that the best way?
or there is a group of web users who can write to the docroot if you
prefer (both?)

  I would like to have (at least) one mysql database to play with.

mysql is installed and should be running, i spose anyone who wants their
own database should email me or alex about it

  I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.

 Why don't we just install all of CPAN to begin with? We are a pm group no?

this is a good idea.

 And can we have password based SSH(or whatever we have to call it now) as
 well as PK based ?

no problems, is enabled. call us at state51 or start a 'talk' session on
the box, i guess, and get told a password

sorry about continuing absence of mailman

jo





RE: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Gareth . Harper

I notice you don't have Symbol::Approx::Sub installed ;)

On a side note, now I've figured out how to send proper plain text mail,
anyone know how I can tell outlook to prefix replies with  or likewise ??

Thanks Gareth


-Original Message-
From: Robin Houston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 15 February 2001 15:49
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Penderel Configuration


On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 03:26:27PM -, Robert Shiels wrote:

 I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.

Add this handy alias to your ~/.bashrc and you'll be able to
find out whenever you like :-)

alias lsmodules='perldoc -m perllocal | perl -nle '\''print $1 if
/L(.*?)/'\'' | sort -u | column'

Output follows.

 .robin.

Apache::AuthCookie  Digest::MD5 Parse::Yapp
Apache::DB  Getopt::LongSet::Object
Apache::DBI HTML::ParserStorable
Apache::Reload  HTML::TagsetTangram
Apache::SandwichlibapreqTemplate
Apache::Session libwww-perl Text::Autoformat
Apache::Stage   libxml-enno Tie::IxHash
AppConfig   libxml-perl URI
CGI MIME::Base64XML::Parser
Data::ShowTable mod_perlXML::RSS
Date::Manip Msql-Mysql-modules  XML::XPath
DBI Net
Devel::Symdump  Net::IRC



Re: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Steve Mynott

Jonathan Stowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Robert Shiels wrote:
 
  I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed.
 
 
 I think Meestah Cross has written something that does this, as have I and
 I think that Tom Phoenix has released Inside now which is a properly
 implemented way of doing same (I beta tested it for him and it worked
 then).

surely just

$ perldoc perllocal

?

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there are several good protections against temptation, but the surest is
 cowardice.  -- mark twain



RE: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Andrew Bowman

 From: Michael Stevens [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Tools - Options - Preferences - E-mail Options
...
 (This is Microsoft Outlook 2000 SR-1 Corporate or Workgroup)

Outlook 98 and Outlook Express also have this feature. Outlook 97 (my
current employer's choice) doesn't (so the above quoting is manually
inserted - I should be thankful that the Exchange server here is at least
configured to squash HTML/RTF email into plain text).

It may be heresy to admit it around here (come on then MuttCarroll!), but I
actually quite like Outlook Express (as distinct from Outlook) as a mail
client. Once it's configured to disable scripting etc. it's biggest flaw,
aside from its provenance in Redmond, is that it doesn't seem possible to
disable the display of HTML email - which is kind of annoying given the
opportunity this offers to spammers etc. to track the display of email.
Maybe it's not so good after all ;-)

Andrew.




Re: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread David Cantrell

On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 04:33:00PM -, Robert Shiels wrote:

 The ~/public_html is what I had in mind, this should be fairly easy to turn
 on in httpd.conf, although when I looked it seemed like it was already
 configured, but I couldn't get mine to work.

The web user needs read access to your home directory as well as to
~/public_html for this to work.  IIRC, this isn't the case on penderel.

   Why don't we just install all of CPAN to begin with? We are a pm group
 no?
 
  this is a good idea.
 We have enough disk space (just !), so I agree totally.

Have fun with all the binary dependencies :-)  Or are you talking about
having a CPAN mirror, which is an entirely different water-boiling-device
of pisceans.

 I expect there is
 even a way to keep this up-to-date automatically. I would find this really
 great as a major hindrance to me trying out scripts I 'find' is usually that
 I can't be bothered installing the 1/2 dozen or so modules that need to be
 installed first.

Some would consider this to be a good thing :-)

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Re: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Philip Newton

jo walsh wrote:
 mysql is installed and should be running,

Seems not to be.

quote
[pne@penderel pne]$ mysql
ERROR 2002: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket
'/tmp/mysql.sock' (111)
[pne@penderel pne]$ date
Thu Feb 15 16:41:25 GMT 2001
/quote

Cheers,
Philip



Re: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Dominic Mitchell

On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 04:21:34PM -, Andrew Bowman wrote:
 It may be heresy to admit it around here (come on then MuttCarroll!), but I
 actually quite like Outlook Express (as distinct from Outlook) as a mail
 client. Once it's configured to disable scripting etc. it's biggest flaw,
 aside from its provenance in Redmond, is that it doesn't seem possible to
 disable the display of HTML email - which is kind of annoying given the
 opportunity this offers to spammers etc. to track the display of email.
 Maybe it's not so good after all ;-)

HTML email is bad.  In this weeks LWN letters page, there's a cute
letter from Alan Cox explaining how you don't need JS enabled to get
tricked.  If you look for "HTML email privacy" at:

http://lwn.net/2001/0215/letters.php3

Related, there's a lovely little tidbit in this months Crypto-Gram,
about how you can be caught out.  Crypto-Gram should be available as:

http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-0102.html

But, that doesn't seem to be available yet.  I got mine from:

http://lwn.net/daily/crypto-gram.php3

The interesting bit is the section "A Semantic Attack on URLs".

-Dom



RE: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I notice you don't have Symbol::Approx::Sub installed ;)

 On a side note, now I've figured out how to send proper plain text mail,
 anyone know how I can tell outlook to prefix replies with  or likewise ??


In Outlook menu - Tools/Options select Mail Format tab ... thoug I still
havent worked out how to get it to not put the silly header bit ...

/J\
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RE: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Jonathan Peterson

  
   this is a good idea.
  We have enough disk space (just !), so I agree totally.

 Have fun with all the binary dependencies :-)  Or are you
 talking about
 having a CPAN mirror, which is an entirely different
 water-boiling-device
 of pisceans.


Oh no, CPAN mirror is bring, I'm talking about installing all the
CPAN modules. Of course some of them do depend on other unbundled software,
but we can skip those.




Matt Sergeant Technical Talk

2001-02-15 Thread Dave Cross


The next technical meeting will be next Thursday (22nd Feb). Our guest 
speaker for the night will be Matt Sergeant who will be talking about AxKit 
http://www.axkit.org.

Meeting starts at 7:30pm and will be at Torrington Interactive. Address and 
further details are on the web site.

(Still time for someone to volunteer to do a support act talk!)

Dave...



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RE: The Conway Lecture

2001-02-15 Thread Andy Mendelsohn

 
 THE CONWAY LECTURE
 
 "Quantum::Superpositions"
 by Damian Conway
 
 In the Brockway Room, Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, WC1R 4RL
 On Monday 26th Feb, 2001
 At 7pm

Having seen him give this lecture last week at the Silicon Valley Perl
Mongers meeting, I can't stress how good a lecture it is. It's one of the
best I've ever been to. Mind you, does anyone need encouraging to go and see
Damian Conway talk?

andy



Re: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Jonathan Stowe

On Thu, 15 Feb 2001, Dominic Mitchell wrote:

 HTML email is bad.  In this weeks LWN letters page, there's a cute
 letter from Alan Cox explaining how you don't need JS enabled to get
 tricked.  If you look for "HTML email privacy" at:


I've always been *enabled* whaddya talking about ...

/J\
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Re: The Conway Lecture

2001-02-15 Thread Leon Brocard

Andy Mendelsohn sent the following bits through the ether:

 Mind you, does anyone need encouraging to go and see Damian Conway
 talk?

No.

Leon
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Re: The Conway Lecture

2001-02-15 Thread Neil Ford

(please circulate this to any interested parties)

Forwarded to the UK FreeBSD User Group and the Brighton Linux User Group.

Neil.
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Re: The Conway Lecture

2001-02-15 Thread Greg Cope

Neil Ford wrote:
 
 (please circulate this to any interested parties)
 
 Forwarded to the UK FreeBSD User Group and the Brighton Linux User Group.

Brighton LUG - Where ?

Greg

 
 Neil.
 --
 Neil C. Ford
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Pony and Buffy (was Re: Mailing List Stuff)

2001-02-15 Thread Mark Fowler

On Fri, 2 Feb 2001, Michael Stevens wrote:
 On Fri, Feb 02, 2001 at 12:34:15PM +, Robin Houston wrote:
   what is it with ponys?
  I've wondered that too.
  Seems to be a #perl obsession...
 
 purl pony 
 [purl] pony is replyGimme a Pony! Pony! Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony
Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony Pony! Pony Pony 
Pony! Pony Pony Pony!
 
 Michael

Obviously one good meme deserves another:

- *dipsy* buffy?
*dipsy* trelane: wish i knew
*dipsy* purl knew: buffy is reply I want
BUFFY! Buffy! Buffy! Buffy! Buffy
+Buffy Buffy!  Buffy Buffy Buffy!  Buffy Buffy Buffy!  Buffy Buffy Buffy!

Okay, own up, who was this ;-) ?  And more importantly, who told dipsy to
forget Buffy...

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   Name  = 'Mark Fowler',Title = 'Technology Developer'  ,
   Firm  = 'Profero Ltd',Web   = 'http://www.profero.com/'   ,
   Email = '[EMAIL PROTECTED]',   Phone = '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960'  )








Re: The Conway Lecture

2001-02-15 Thread Neil Ford

Neil Ford wrote:

  (please circulate this to any interested parties)
  
  Forwarded to the UK FreeBSD User Group and the Brighton Linux User Group.

Brighton LUG - Where ?

http://www.brighton.lug.org.uk

It's a fairly dorment group but it does exist. The web page has 
details on how to join the mailing list.

Neil.
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