Re: [Possible Job] Perl, Linux
On Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 07:44:11AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > Are there any of you lot still looking for jobs? Still open? I think I might have someone for you. -- If you give a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day. If you set a man on fire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Re: London.pm posting stats
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 09:10:53PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > And how about a signal/noise bias? ;-) The noise *is* signal. -- I cannot and will not cut my conscience to fit this year's fashions. -- Lillian Hellman
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:59:48PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: > Are these e-mail addresses? If so, does it make it possible to forward all > 4 denials in 1 message To: all four and ask for one "joined up government" > answer? http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19340.html says the man to talk to is [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've just asked him whether he thinks restricting access to IE and NS only (hence cutting off speech browsers for the blind) constitutes discrimination against the disabled. :) -- Britain has football hooligans, Germany has neo-Nazis, and France has farmers. -The Times
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:26:40PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > I tend not to pay much attention to conspiracy theories. Me neither. http://linuxtoday.com/imgs/microsoft/gateway-microsoft-rationale-statement.pdf -- This process can check if this value is zero, and if it is, it does something child-like. -- Forbes Burkowski, CS 454, University of Washington
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 02:06:24PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > So yes, the only reason for not allowing me to use it is incompetence on > the part of whichever civil 'servants' were in charge of implementing it. And nothing to do with the deal struck between Microsoft and the government. No. -- You want to read that stuff, fine. You want to create a network for such things, fine. You want to explore the theoretical boundaries of free speech, fine. But when it starts impacting *people* trying to *communicate*, then that is where I draw the line. - Russ Allbery, http://www.slacker.com/rant.html
Re: www.gateway.gov.uk
On Sat, Jun 09, 2001 at 01:27:08PM +0100, Jonathan Stowe wrote: > As a public service I would exhort all of you to go to this site and then > complain when it tells you that you are using an 'Unsupported Browser' > (which I guess will be more than half of you :) Well done. The Reg picked this up ... last month. -- When your hammer is C++, everything begins to look like a thumb. -- Steve Haflich, comp.lang.c++
Re: crazy golf
On Sat, Jun 02, 2001 at 01:38:44AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: > Assuming you're not a Masai tribesperson. On this list, anything is possible. -- I don't understand how people can think SCSI is anything more quirky than a genius with peculiar dietary requirements in a world where the creators of Notes, and their new owners, are allowed to walk the streets without fearing for their very lives. - Graham Reed, asr
Re: crazy golf
On Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 03:53:53PM +0100, Barbie wrote: > the only surviving English/British religion, Paganism Nice try. -- diff: usage diff [whatever] etc. - plan9 has a bad day
Re: bad greg
On Thu, May 31, 2001 at 10:00:22AM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > > FreeBSD users, Debian committers, OpenSRS registry (can do .co.uk's too), > ^ > are they?? Indeed they are. http://www.earth.li/~noodles/computers.html -- The Second Law of Thermodynamics: If you think things are in a mess now, just wait!
Re: bad greg
On Wed, May 30, 2001 at 05:55:39PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote: > Mr Couzens Die, alien slime! -- When your hammer is C++, everything begins to look like a thumb. -- Steve Haflich, comp.lang.c++
Re: wantarray and Tied Hashed
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 11:28:27AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote:
> my @array = $h{two};
^
In perl 5 at least, *this* is your scalar context.
--
"Little else matters than to write good code."
-- Karl Lehenbauer
Re: Election Manifestos
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:59:12AM +0100, Richard Clamp wrote: > Ah, he'd be fine if it weren't for those fucking mood swings. You mean I'm nice at times? -- Ever wake up feeling like a null pointer? -Allan Pratt
Re: Email Style (was: Re: Election Manifestos)
On Thu, May 24, 2001 at 09:21:08AM +1000, Damian Conway wrote: > Well, I would if you'd just stop putting those evil thoughts in my head... Evil Ideas BOF at TPC. ISAGN. -- >God Save the Queen! And let Satan take the Prime Minister... - Tanuki, in the monastery.
Re: Election Manifestos
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:50:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: > @Mail (http://webbasedemail.com/) copied my code, my docs, and my > images without telling me, added a configuration file, and sold it. I > only found out about it by accident, which wasn't good. (it's changed > a lot since). This is 100% within their rights. > They could have handled it better. They could have told me about it, Yes, but they didn't have to. > So either I break up and cry at how lax the Artistic License is and > inflict viral GPL on all my code, or I just keep on going hacking > code. Which do I do? ;-) If you didn't want your code to be used under the license terms you set, YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE SET THEM. Deal with it. -- It's 106 miles from Birmingham, we've got an eighth of a tank of gas, half a pack of Dorritos, it's dusk, and we're wearing contacts. - Malcolm Ray
Re: Election Manifestos
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 11:17:14AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: > But Mail::Cclient is also unbeleivably powerful. Lying round on my HD > there's a Mail::Cclient::Simple which amkes everything much easier but > it's one of many projects I've never got round to finishing. Why > reinvent the wheel by rolling my own or using 5 or 6 different modules > when one will do. Because it doesn't exist? :) OTOH, Mail::Cclient does do NNTP as well, which would be a boost, because WING is meant to be the Web IMAP and NNTP Gateway. > Imp was crap when we started and it's also PHP based. I like PHP (/me > gets coat) but I wouldn't do a large scale application in it (especially > since I had just just done one then and hit some very large limitations) > plus it doesn't have the community support that Perl does or CPAN and it > was difficult to extract presentation from logic. If I were to deploy Imp, I wouldn't care how much community support PHP had, I'd care how much community support Imp had. -- "Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats." -- Howard Aiken
Re: Election Manifestos
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 11:04:19AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: > that Mail::Cclient is powerful but complicated and can be a bitch to > install, And use. Ripping that fucker out would be my first act. :) There's also http://www.horde.org/imp/ which is reasonably popular. -- "Jesus ate my mouse" or some similar banality. -- Megahal (trained on asr), 1998-11-06
Re: Election Manifestos
On Wed, May 23, 2001 at 09:43:23AM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: > It didn't hit critical mass. Discuss. Yet Another Webmail Client; it wasn't exactly filling a gaping niche. (And I say that as someone who may soon be maintaining one of the others...) -- 4.2BSD may not be a complete disaster, but it does a good job of emulating one.
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:37:23PM +0100, Roger Burton West wrote: > If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are > you posting about it? But I wanna type, I wanna type, I wanna type! Roger, where we come from we have a word for people like that. -- I did write and prove correct a 20-line program in January, but I made the mistake of testing it on our VAX and it had an error, which two weeks of searching didn't uncover, so there went one publication out the window. - David Gries, 1980
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:16:41PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: >Labour were voted in on the basis of the Tories screw ups. Yes, so what you said about the party's previous record as, indeed, irrelevant. > Labour hasn't screwed up yet. Thanks, that's going in my sigfile. Oh, and fix your bloody line length. -- Thus spake the master programmer: "After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless." -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming"
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:44:25PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > We vote for the encumbent party until they screw up big time and then we > switch and repeat the process. Except we don't while they can arrange for elections to be when everyone's forgotten about their big screwups. Also, in fact, most of the voters are too oblivious to or closed-minded about or basically too damned stupid to recognise their big screw-ups anyway. Besides, what do you call a big screw up? The Dome was a screw-up from start to finish, but it hasn't made a scrap of difference. F&M was handled amazingly badly, but that hasn't made any difference either. Nor has the Hindujas, or Mandelson or Robinson. The NHS? Health of the nation not quite a big enough screw-up? Or the schools? Deciding who should govern us is far too important to be left to the plebs. > There's no point judging the parties on what they say they'll do, only on > what they did last time they were in power. Right, yes, which is why we - sorry, you plural, I was way out of the country at the time - elected Labour based on their fantastic performance last time which lead to the General Strike and the Winter of Discontent. Sorry, a nanosecond of thought would show that that is complete bullshit. -- In related wibbling, I can see an opening for the four lusers of the Apocalypse... "I didn't change anything", "My e-mail doesn't work", "I can't print" and "Is the network broken?". - Paul Mc Auley
Re: Election Manifestos
On Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:16:16PM +0100, Chris Heathcote wrote:
> From air-conditioned tubes, thru to RIPA, to cheap petrol, it's
> bandwagon-jumping.
Ah, congratulations! You seem to have been completely politically
brainwashed; it's become so de rigeur for parties to completely
disregard the will of the people that when one actually even *claims* to
be concerned about matters that people will get up and shout about,
they're immediately decried.
It's one of those irregular verbs, isn't it: Labour is interested in
what concerns the people; the LibDems are true democrats; the Tories are
jumping on bandwagons.
Not that I'm accusing anyone of hypocracy, of course.
Perhaps bandwagon-jumping is in fact the essence of democracy.
> I have yet to see a Conservative talk eloquently and knowledgably about the
> subjects they're making promises on.
I've yet to hear a Labour MP talk eloquently about anything at all. Anyone
ever talked - sorry, tried talking - to their MP about RIP?
> Which is fucking scary.
This is even scarier, since, under Rule One, they're probably going to get
elected again.
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Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 11:08:22PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > The interesting question for me is : if I already own a paper copy of the > book, which costs 30p to produce and the remaining ?39.70 is for 'a > licence on the copyright' Whence did you pluck these figures, if it's not completely obvious? -- 3rd Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr fortune: Segmentation violation -- Core dumped
Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 08:49:56AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > I disagree. IMO, posting a link to site containing pirate copies of books > _is_ advocating piracy. YMMV. "Here is how to do it. Now *you* have a choice." Have you read "A treatise on the construction of locks"? -- "The C Programming Language -- A language which combines the power of assembly language with the flexibility of assembly language."
Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?
On Sun, May 20, 2001 at 11:23:05AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > I have in the past had a pirate copy of O'Reillys Network Bookshelf ... > but a) I would not have paid for the CD in the first place and b) Iliked > what I saw so much that I went on to buy a whole bookcase full of > O'Reilly stuff. I'm *sure* at some level, the publishers know this, but they'd rather not admit it. :) If you release a book as a computer file, *IT WILL GET COPIED*. Don't think they're too stupid not to realise this. But people like having nice bound paper copies of things. Having it on line just isn't the same. That's why O'Reilly publishes copies of things that *are* freely available, like the Linux Network Administrator's Guide. -- People who love sausages, respect the law, and work with IT standards shouldn't watch any of them being made. - Peter Gutmann
Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 09:10:02PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > I'm curious what the perceived payback is on books: kudos on the one > hand, benefit to humankind on the other, and then cash. How does it > all stack up? The kudos is fun but unless you write something completely earth-shattering, you're quickly out of fashion. I see the cash as an incentive to get books written that might not otherwise have been written, because again, unless you're writing something earth-shattering or coming out with something new every six months or so, sales will dry up. Royalties are bonuses, they buy goodies: a holiday here, a new computer there. And soon, I expect, I'll not be getting so much in from Beg. Perl, and they'll be buying jewellery for the other half or video games. I do it for the benefit - Beg. Perl was written to help one single individual learn Perl, and if other people have learnt Perl from it, that's a bonus; the book I'm writing at the moment, I'm doing it because I want there to be a really damned good book about XS out there, and there isn't. If I'm going to write a book, it's because I *really really* want to write it, so the money is in a sense immaterial. So why don't I forego the cash and do it all under an open publication license? Well, firstly, I do: I spent rather a lot of time helping fix up the Perl documentation, and now I'm planning a bunch of books under the OPL. But if a publisher's going to throw money at me for writing something, I'm far more likely to sit down and get on with it, rather than getting bored and hacking Perl instead. Well, that's the plan, anyway. Sometimes it doesn't work like that, either. :) -- The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra, SIGPLAN Notices, Volume 17, Number 5
Re: O'Reilly Safari - anyone use it?
On Sat, May 19, 2001 at 07:20:31AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote: > Who here has written a book? Simon and Dave at least. It's not easy, > is it? You're asking the wrong guy. I don't write books for money, I write them to contribute information. This is why, unlike some people, I don't blatantly plug my book at the end of every mail. -- Keep the number of passes in a compiler to a minimum. -- D. Gries
Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-05-14
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:21:47PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: > Now all I have to do is not volunteer for the p5p summary, Leon You're a marked man, you realise? -- "If that makes any sense to you, you have a big problem." -- C. Durance, Computer Science 234
Re: pc components
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 08:12:52PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: > The same happened to me. I've given up buying things on the > Internet. I do all my research on the web, and then head down to > Tottenham Court Road to actually buy it. The prices are generally > comparable, and you get it *there and then*. They're calling it shops or `S-Commerce' and it's being rolled out in cities and towns nationwide. "It's a real revelation," according to Malcolm Fosbury, a middleware engineer from Hillingdon. "You just walk into one of these "shops" and they have all sorts of things for sale." Fosbury was particularly impressed by a clothes shop he discovered while browsing in central London. "Shops seem to be the ideal medium for transactions of this type. I can actually try out a jacket and see if it fits me. Then I can visualize the way I would look if I was wearing the clothing." This is possible using a high definition 2D viewing system, or "mirror" as it has become known. Shops, which are frequently aggregated into shopping portals or "high streets", are becoming increasingly popular with the cash-rich time-poor generation of new consumers. Often located in densely populated areas people can find them extremely convenient. And Malcolm is not alone in being impressed by shops. "Some days I just don't have the time to download huge Flash animations of rotating trainers and then wait five days for them to be delivered in the hope that they will actually fit," says Sandra Bailey, a systems analyst from Chelsea. "This way I can actually complete the transaction in real time and walk away with the goods." Being able see whether or not shoes and clothing fit has been a real bonus for Bailey, "I used to spend my evenings boxing up gear to return. Sometimes the clothes didn't fit, sometimes they just sent the wrong stuff." Shops have a compelling commercial story to tell too, according to Gartner Group retail analyst Carl Baker. "There are massive efficiencies in the supply chain. By concentrating distribution to a series of high volume outlets in urban centres-typically close to where people live and work-businesses can make dramatic savings in fulfillment costs. Just compare this with the wasteful practise of delivering items piecemeal to people's homes." Furthermore, allowing consumers to receive goods when they actually want them could mean an end to the frustration of returning home to find a despatch notice telling you that your goods are waiting in a delivery depot the other side of town. But it's not just the convenience and time-saving that appeals to Fosbury, "Visiting a shop is real relief for me. I mean as it is I spend all day in front of a bloody computer." from Benjamin Gill, Information & Research, P-Four Consultancy Ltd, TEL: (44) 0171 924 3233, FAX: (44) 0171 978 5304, E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- We *have* dirty minds. This is not news. - Kake Pugh
Re: More Questions
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:58:01PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > Ah, but those don't do the same do they. You have to regenerate your > rankings whenever you add a new score, whereas mine lets you get the rankings > directly from the hash. Who said anything about adding a score? I just said you had some data and the task was to turn it into some other data... -- Old Japanese proverb: There are two kinds of fools -- those who never climb Mt. Fuji, and those who climb it twice.
Re: More Questions
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 05:15:56PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> Did you mean like this?
>
> tie my %scores, 'Tie::Hash::Rank';
> [overengineering snipped]
Or you could do it in two lines:
my $i;
my %rank = map { $_ => ++$i } sort {$scores{$a} <=> $scores{$b}} keys %scores;
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Re: pc components
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 03:25:22PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: > I haven't seen a really good one for SOMEBODY SET UP US THE BOMB yet. > apt-get install the-bomb doesn't qualify. dpkg --configure ? -- "I don't think so," said Rene Descartes. Just then, he vanished.
Re: pc components
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 11:03:35AM +0100, AEF wrote: > When I last ordered a HDD from Dabs, they mailed me a couple of days > later to say that it wasn't in stock (there website said it was). My motherboard from Dabs has spent two days "awaiting credit card clearance" and two days "awaiting despatch". It *is* in stock, it's just taking them four days - and counting - to get around to shipping it. Simply aren't much better. Took them three weeks to get stuff in stock. -- >but I'm one guy working weekends - what the hell is MS's excuse? "We don't care, we don't have to, we're the phone company." - Ben Jemmet, Paul Tomblin.
Re: Enough!
On Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:27:47AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: > Fairly easy to write your own 'Wildfire'-esque system with this. Hook it > into Mister House (open source home automation program, > http://misterhouse.net/) and you could do some really funky things by > just phoning up your house Mandrake has already done this, I think. > [ring ring, ring ring] > Dipsy : hello ^ YM "Operator". :) > Simon : I need an exit -- Chomsky is COBOL -- Sean Burke
Re: [gnat@frii.com: Damian Conway's Exegesis 2]
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 10:06:22PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > of RFC's along the lines of `Perl must stay Perl', but because > the next leap forward is VisualPerl which will be as much about > IDE as core language. Now lets not get hung up on the IDE bit > of that statement So, let me get this right - you want to discuss something which is equal value IDE and core language, without discussing the IDE, yes? :) -- DESPAIR: It's Always Darkest Just Before it Gets Pitch Black http://www.despair.com
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 04:31:18PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > Simon Cozens wrote: > > That's not argument, it's just contradiction! > I'm sorry; I'm not allowed to argue with you unless you've paid. Ah, you going into consulting as well, eh? -- "The elder gods went to Suggoth and all I got was this lousy T-shirt."
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:41:58PM +0100, James Powell wrote: > > You've hit the fundamental problem with XP. Getting anything done > > requires two programmers to agree on something; this, as everyone > > knows, is impossible. > > No it isn't! That's not argument, it's just contradiction! -- There is no distinction between any AI program and some existent game.
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:08:40PM +0100, Robert Thompson wrote: > Having two people look at/develop a piece of code is better than one. > Therefore having three people must be even better. > But why stop there - why not four, five, six . . . > Better yet - design/develop by committee! You've hit the fundamental problem with XP. Getting anything done requires two programmers to agree on something; this, as everyone knows, is impossible. -- So remember when you're feeling very small and insecure How amazingly unlikely is your birth, And pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space, 'Cause there's bugger-all down here on Earth. (Monty Python)
Re: A look over the shoulder of an XP programmer (auf deutsch)
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 02:37:25PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > > Well it isn't English, but it's *almost* comprehensible... > Sounds a bit like dadadodo, only it makes more sense :) Which does? :) -- "Irrigation of the land with seawater desalinated by fusion power is ancient. It's called 'rain'." -- Michael McClary, in alt.fusion
Re: Latest Perl Journal
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 01:19:36PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote: > What's the footnote on page 78, Dave? IAND, but... "I like the fact that the new name includes the word "Symbol", since it means that we can also call it The::Module::Formerly::Known::as::Sub::Approx. -- "It's God. No, not Richard Stallman, or Linus Torvalds, but God." (By Matt Welsh)
Re: Enough!
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:09:47PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > yeah .. thats fine .. it doesn't work from creaky old strowger exchanges > either (are there any of those left ? ) but there is a subtle difference > between 'number withheld' and 'number unavailable' There is, but not all phones make the distinction. -- Within a computer, natural language is unnatural.
Re: Enough!
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:38:26PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > Ok, so you should have said "Caller detect doesn't work for some > international calls either". But, you see, if a call ID is withheld, you can't tell whether they're international calls with non-working caller detect or domestic calls from ex-directory/paranoid numbers. So filtering on withheldness is BAD BAD BAD. -- luckily, my toes have no trailing newline characters
Re: Enough!
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:25:23PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either. > > Untrue. When I get calls from friends in Sweden I can see who they > are. And when I get calls from Japan, which happens about twice a week, I can't. -- Britain has football hooligans, Germany has neo-Nazis, and France has farmers. -The Times
Re: Enough!
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:43:59PM +0100, James Powell wrote:
> > No; many people withhold automatically, it a legitimate privacy concern.
> That's what the terse message is for ("reveal yourself, or bugger off").
> I suppose it could go to answerphone.
Caller detect doesn't work for international calls either.
--
>but I'm one guy working weekends - what the hell is MS's excuse?
"We don't care, we don't have to, we're the phone company."
- Ben Jemmet, Paul Tomblin.
Re: Enough!
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:30:59PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: > Ho hum. If I wasn't trying to get some work done, I'd grab sphinx and > write some code. One of the things I plan to do on my way around America after TPC is sit down with Kevin and DHD and start writing some funky robots. sphinx + infobot + reefknot + festival -- why hire a secretary when you can write one? :) -- An algorithm must be seen to be believed. -- D.E. Knuth
Re: Enough!
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:15:32PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:04:24PM +0100, James Powell wrote: > > Heh, don't forget to have a RBL-like list of source telephone numbers. > Definitely. A whitelist too, of course. Now *this* is why I want programmable mobile phones. -- Be not anxious about what you have, but about what you are. -- Pope St. Gregory I
Re: Enough!
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:10:23AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > we are considering funding the development of a procmail-a-like for > snail-mail. I want a procphone. -- VMS must die!
Re: BOFHs requiring license
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:58:41PM -0400, Piers Cawley wrote: > Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Rule one, man, rule one. > What? Always be wary of smiling old men? purl, rule one? it has been said that rule one is "People Are Stupid" -- "They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." -- Carl Sagan
Re: JAMES DUNCAN
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 05:54:26PM +0200, Niklas Nordebo wrote: > > It's crap, but... http://www.ecdl.com/ > Isn't that more of a Microsoft Driving License? It may have escaped your notice but the people who need it tend to be the people likely to use Microsoft software... -- "IT support will, from 1 October 2000, be provided by college and departmental card locks." - J-P Stacey
Re: JAMES DUNCAN
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 04:45:13PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > Particularly with the lack of an Internet Driving License, anyway. It's crap, but... http://www.ecdl.com/ -- emacs: Terminal type "emacs" is not powerful enough to run Emacs.
Re: see attachment
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 04:08:27PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > Of course we could make a cyberpunk movie instead, now let > me thing about it IN AD 1987, PERL WAS BEGINNING. -- The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article, then hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog and smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just extremism. - Paul Tomblin, in the monastery.
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 03:49:26PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > Unless the door to the pupil's mind is open then there is no teacher. > And he was enlightened. http://simon-cozens.org/hacks/grok -- For detailed information on the "info" command, type "man info". - plan9 has a bad day
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:17:14AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson wrote: > 2. A teacher can't be alone in a room with a pupil unless the door is open. I know it's one of those Zen koans, but I just can't work it out. -- Feed me on TOASTIES! There's no HALL for PHILOSOPHERS ON FRIDAYS. - Henry Braun is Oxford Zippy
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 12:16:27PM +0100, Matthew Jones wrote: > It also irtritates me when the oil companies hike fuel prices and the "dump > the pump" lobby respond by suggesting that the government drop tax. Why > don't they ever have a go at BP or Shell? You don't elect BP or Shell. -- "He was a modest, good-humored boy. It was Oxford that made him insufferable."
Re: BOFHs requiring license
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:37:23AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: > Here's a pretty fundamental issue. Why do so many people seem to think that > low taxes are good? Rule one, man, rule one. -- EFNet is like one big advertisement for lobotomies.
Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:58:42AM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > I recall the previous government being impressively dishonest about a great > many things. When was the last government that was *not* impressively dishonest? I think there might have been one around 1868, but I'm not sure. > The previous government didn't appear to have much grasp of economics > either. Similar remarks apply. > IIRC they did *not* promise to introduce PR, but to look in to it. Ah, yes. That's like "we're listening", isn't it, in response to the fuel crisis? We're not going to do anything, but we're happy to listen. > Oh, and that silly Tory claim that there have been nnn 'stealth' taxes is > easily debunked when you notice that most of them were either announced > in previous *TORY* budgets or are the usual tax escalators which, again, > the previous government was happy to use. If you ignore all of those, I > wonder how many of those 'stealth' taxes would really exist. There are some contractors here, I understand, who might have something to say about government policy on taxation. -- The FSF is not overly concerned about security. - FSF
Re: see attachment
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:52:50AM +0100, Peter Haworth wrote: > I keep meaning to ask, where do all these plan9 bad day quotes come from? The plan9 fortune file. It's the mistakes they made while they were developing it. -- yes >/dev/kmem # Shutdown is broken. This'll have to do - plan9 has a bad day
Re: BOFHs requiring license
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 06:30:44PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: > Hey, what if we had a system where we just elected a *candidate* we > liked, like one for each local area or something? Pretty crazy, huh? Democracy? In this country? It wouldn't work. Democracy is overrated. I think a meritocracy is needed. Perhaps measured by Perl competence. -- User: In 1793 the french king was executed. MegaHAL: HA HA HA! CORRECT. ALTHOUGH, EXECUTED HAS MULTIPLE MEANINGS.
Re: BOFHs requiring license
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:35:24PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > Do the Lib Dems think along these lines? No-one knows cos the LDs have > never seemed to have any policies ever. Actually, I like the idea of parties which don't have any policies. They're supposed to represent what we tell them to support, remember, not the other way around. -- Some people claim that the UNIX learning curve is steep, but at least you only have to climb it once.
Re: BOFHs requiring license
On Sun, May 13, 2001 at 05:22:49PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > How can any socialist not feel that when it came to the crunch socialism was > rejected by intelligent people who understood its principals and benefits > intimitadly because they could see it would not work for modern Britain? Which "intelligent people who understood it" would that be, then? -- Hi, this is Ken. What's the root password?
Re: BOFHs requiring license
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 03:30:31AM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/18866.html > Absurd, laughable and bizarre. What *is* wrong with the UK? Don't ask me, you elected 'em. And it looks like you're all stupid enough to do it *again*. -- Pray to God, but keep rowing to shore. -- Russian Proverb
Re: see attachment
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 08:06:48PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: > > Snow Crash, essentially. > > I was thinking recently about how well it would work as a film. You're obviously not the only one: http://www.corona.bc.ca/films/details/snowcrash.html -- Intel engineering seem to have misheard Intel marketing strategy. The phrase was "Divide and conquer" not "Divide and cock up" (By [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Cox)
Re: see attachment
On Sat, May 12, 2001 at 04:08:27PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: > Aha - some dark evil force creates a website (BIG FONTS) that attracts young > people from the world and has lots of flashy stuff on it (ok it would be > flash, but this is a movie, so its just going to be BIG FONTS AND SWIRLING > STUFF) that is actual fact brainwashing the teenagers to worship the website Snow Crash, essentially. -- diff: usage diff [whatever] etc. - plan9 has a bad day
Re: Monitors
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 04:22:04PM +0100, Dominic Mitchell wrote: > How many things do you have on top of your monitor? Nothing. If your monitor cost as much as mine, you'd keep it sacrosanct too. -- SM is fun. ADSM is not. "Safe, Sane, Consensual"... three words that cannot used to describe ADSM. - Graham Reed, sdm.
Re: Bah!
On Thu, May 10, 2001 at 11:22:45AM +0100, Cross David - dcross wrote: > Do you write it in raw Tex/LaTeX, or do you generate that from some other > format (like, perhaps, XML)? I'd be interested in seeing the intermediate > stages. For my writing these days, I do SGML -> tex ( -> pdf | -> dvi -> ps ) -> html -> text I suppose I should use XML instead, but I'm a dinosaur. No, I haven't tried writing SGML with Perl yet, but I will. Simon -- It's difficult to see the picture when you are inside the frame.
Re: Movies (was Re: Buffy musings ...)
On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 08:55:16AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote:
> On the subject of music (despite the Subject: of movies) ... anyone
> here into trad. Irish instrumental music?
Yes, very definitely. Unfortunately I don't play anything vaguely relevant,
apart from the guitar. I'd *really* love to be able to play the Uillean
pipes. One day.
--
For true believers, LORD would be K\textsc{nuth} in TeX, and
L\textsc{amport} in LaTeX. Atheists prefer \phantom{LORD}. Agnostics
may need to use the ifthen package.
- Chris Boyd, comp.text.tex
Re: Apocalypse Two
On Fri, May 04, 2001 at 08:14:47PM +1000, Damian Conway wrote:
> package DotsForArrows;
> use Filter::Simple;
> FILTER { s/\b\.(?=[a-z_\$({[])/->/gi };
That's BORING. Obviously the right way to do it is to allow lvalue
overloaded operators, and overload "." for everything.
--
The man who sees, on New Year's day, Mount Fuji, a hawk, and an eggplant
is forever blessed.
-- Old Japanese proverb
Re: cocktails
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 09:25:16PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: > ... Did you know there's a guy living in our closet? You've seen him too? -- King's Law of Clues : Common sense is inversely proportional to the academic intelligence of the person concerned.
Re: DBD::*->bind_param() ?
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 12:16:32PM -0700, Paul Makepeace wrote: > Clearly says someone who's hasn't installed Oracle recently! You can install Oracle now? Wow, they must have really been fixing it of late. -- If the code and the comments disagree, then both are probably wrong. -- Norm Schryer
Re: Boozers in Dublin
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:07:08PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > Can any of you boozy reprobates recommend a boozer in Dublin for a geeky > piss-up? My first recommendation would be the Messrs. Maguire on Burgh Key is a nice place - very *big* pub (it's on three levels) and serves pretty good food. It reminds me a lot of the place opposite London Bridge tube station where we had the MJD Meet. The Oliver St. John Gogarty is a bit smaller, and I'm not sure about the food, but it's a good place to hang out, drink and listen to Irish folk. Possibly a good idea to move there after Messrs. Maguire, because it Maguire's gets bloody packed. As a last resort, anywhere in Temple Bar is worth looking at. -- In this talk, I would like to speculate a little, on ... the development of intelligent life. I shall take this to include the human race, even though much of its behaviour throughout history has been pretty stupid... - Stephen Hawking PGP signature
Re: Good Accountants
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 11:00:40PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:55:06PM -0400, Alex Page wrote: > > Blimey, there's an Oxford perl mongers! You mean I'm not the > > only perl coder in this city?!? > No. By which I mean, yes, you're not. And, of course, we've got Malcolm Beattie, who ranks as one of Perl's minor dieties. -- Will your long-winded speeches never end? What ails you that you keep on arguing? -- Job 16:3
Re: Good Accountants
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 05:55:06PM -0400, Alex Page wrote: > Blimey, there's an Oxford perl mongers! You mean I'm not the > only perl coder in this city?!? No. -- "I find that anthropomorphism really doesn't help me with a place full of bugs." -- Megahal (trained on asr), 1998-11-06
Re: MySQL -> Oracle wrapper/compat. libs
On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 06:50:18PM +0100, Leon Brocard wrote: > OK, I give you Perl, the Perl debugger, and B::Generate. First one to > optimise Perl code (maybe replacing bits of Perl with XS on the fly?) > gets a pat on the back. I think NI-S is working on it; see recent perl6-language discussion about tying. -- > I never thought I'd say this, but you're getting very strange. Thank God: I thought it was everybody else. - J-P Stacey
Re: Company Name
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 01:39:38PM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: > I thought of "Shiels IT Services", > but one potential acronym of this is not very pleasing :-) Well, that might be a feature, you know. After all, it's what a lot of people think of when they think of contractors. -- Simon: `hello kitty' douche. If you are getting some and you know what hello kitty is... Well, you're an exceptionally lucky man. -- Megahal, trained on IRC.
Re: Company Name
On Wed, Apr 25, 2001 at 09:02:16AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: > How did contractors here come up with the names for their companies Your main choice is between sounding "established", "professional" or "informal". "Established" companies contain merely names, and give no indication of what they do: "Shiels and Company". (Examples from real life: "Ede and Ravenscroft", "Coutts".) "Professional" companies possibly contain a name and give *some* indication of what they do: "Robert Shiels Consulting", "Shiels IT Services". (Examples: "Merchant Ivory Productions", "Barclay's Bank".) "Informal" companies contain one or two words which *hint* at what they do, and no names (and are much harder to come up with. :) : "The SAP Workshop" (Examples: "Microsoft", "NetThink".) -- The FSF is not overly concerned about security. - FSF
Re: Mutagenic modules: online slides
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:50:46PM +0100, Robin Houston wrote: > The slides for the talk I gave this evening are online at > http://London.pm.org/~robin/semantic-talk/0.title.html ff. Funny. You've come across the same idea I did. http://simon-cozens.org/pg.pdf -- ?warning: write might change good version of `/dev/null' - plan9 has a bad day
Re: next social meeting vs tube strike
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:12:20PM +0100, Mike Wyer wrote: > The okapi was much better (think giraffe crossed with zebra with a > tongue any muff diver would kill for) Do they have bonobo? I thought bonobo were the generic sexual zoo inhabitant. -- "MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years of careful development." (By [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: (Don't Laugh) Buying PGP
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:12:57PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: > Can't you call it an "Enterprise cross-platform file sharing solution" or > something like that? So is Napster. -- DEC diagnostics would run on a dead whale. -- Mel Ferentz
Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 01:38:44PM +0100, Paul Mison wrote: > There's a fairly long standing and, from what I remember, well > respected habit of using JOB in the subject line- if it really annoys > you, filtering on that should reduce the jobness of the list quite a > lot. Ah, bingo. Thanks. > Of course, if anyone is doing this they'll be missing this thread too... But if they're already doing it, they know about it, so it doesn't matter. -- Within a computer, natural language is unnatural.
Re: JOB: Another one (Banking)
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:53:09AM +0100, dcross - David Cross wrote: > This is for people who don't have a problem working in a bank. Would it be worth forking london-pm-jobs? -- The steady state of disks is full. -- Ken Thompson
Re: Komodo
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:02:03AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote:
> Then you're missing half the fun. Seriously. M-x compile was the
> reason I started using emacs in the first place.
And I \N{WHITE HEART SUIT} M-x gdb
--
I respect faith, but doubt is what gives you an education.
-- Wilson Mizner
Re: Komodo
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:34:30PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > but I should also add that I see anyhting which looks like splintering > the nice world of One Big [*nix] Perl [1] into several different > incompatible AS Perl on Unix isn't incompatible. -- Every little bit of seaweed kelps.
Re: Komodo
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:23:34PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > I can not see however a place in linux for any perl IDE that doesnt use a > standard perl install. simple as that. Then don't buy one. Those who do, will. Isn't the free market great? -- Doubt is a pain too lonely to know that faith is his twin brother. - Kahlil Gibran
Re: Mourning clothes for London.pm
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 10:29:43AM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: > CNN reports that BtVS's SMG will wed Freddie Prinz. You know you've been core hacking too long when you read that as "SVtB's set magic". -- Um. There is no David conspiracy. Definitely not. No Kate conspiracy either. No. No, there is definitely not any sort of David conspiracy, and we are definitely *not* in league with the Kate conspiracy. Who doesn't exist. And nor does the David conspiracy. No. No conspiracies here. - Thorfinn, ASR
Re: Komodo
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:58:00AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > umm ... since Linux accounts (at a guess) for 75% of Perl usauge, thats > quite an 'afterthought'. That's irrelevant. ActiveState's business is 90% Windows, so they do Windows first. -- heh, yeah, but Aretha could be reading out /etc/services and kick just so much ass :)
Re: CPAN search from mozilla address bar
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 01:35:25PM +0100, Struan Donald wrote: > no idea if anyone will find this useful but: > if you use mozilla (on linux/*nix at least) stick this: To do something similar for Netscape, look at http://bofh.concordia.ca/ns/ns-cli.txt (Netscape can call out to a CGI program to parse "commands" in the location bar) -- Actually Perl *can* be a Bondage & Discipline language but it's unique among such languages in that it lets you use safe words. -- Piers Cawley
Re: What did I miss?
On Wed, Apr 18, 2001 at 11:28:58AM +0100, Lucy McWilliam wrote: > has anyone noticed much traffic on the perl-cert list or is my > subscription just funted? No. Greg was going to tell us Ze Master Plan. I think it involves alcohol. -- The best book on programming for the layman is "Alice in Wonderland"; but that's because it's the best book on anything for the layman. - Alan Perlis
Re: Komodo
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 07:12:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > Methinks Activestate are too much in the Windows world I note that the Linux distribution of Kodomo contained complete distributions of Mozilla, Perl and Python. -- The sky already fell. Now what? -- Steven Wright
Re: re-release of autodial
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 01:54:56PM +0100, Aaron Trevena wrote: > it no longer kills dia This appears not to be the case, as of dia 0.86. -- I did write and prove correct a 20-line program in January, but I made the mistake of testing it on our VAX and it had an error, which two weeks of searching didn't uncover, so there went one publication out the window. - David Gries, 1980
Re: Komodo
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 05:57:17PM +0100, Dean wrote: > Has anyone got an views on it or the Linux version? The Linux version is broken; it won't install, claiming you need a new license. lathos: I just talked to the Komodo lead. He suggests a) don't evaluate Komodo on the Linux version, yet. b) we changed licnese schemes recently. If absolutely necessary we can send you a new license. -- BEWARE! People acting under the influence of human nature.
Re: The Most Boring Thread Ever on London.pm : Cool Letter Heads
On Sat, Apr 14, 2001 at 12:04:15AM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: > ooh .. that reminds me .. the Census man has just dropped a form in .. I > didn't reallise it was this year .. excellent .. now dont forget .. your > religion is 'Jedi' ok ? "Discordian". No, seriously. (Fnord) -- It is now pitch dark. If you proceed, you will likely fall into a pit.
Re: Ummm... Perl not professional??
On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 11:36:40AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Unfortunatly this is largely a valid point. Perl is not used by > many *professional* people. Perl is used by a lot of people, and some of > them are professional, but I wouldn't consider it the > majority. A professional is someone with a profession. -- Dames lie about anything - just for practice. -Raymond Chandler
Re: Silly postings
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 05:27:57PM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > No, best pizza is in NY or the hypehnated environs. > You go to Italky for the wine and the antipasti. It's a hell of a trip back for the main course, though. -- People in a Position to Know, Inc.
Re: CiP value =1.5?
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 11:24:57PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote:
> @P=split//,".URRUU\c8R";@d=split//,"\n?neht krow siht seod woh oS";sub
> p{@p{"r$p","u$p"}=(P,P);pipe"r$p","u$p";++$p;($q*=2)+=$f=!fork;map{$P=
> $P[$f^ord ($p{$_})&6];$p{$_}=/^$P/ix?$P:close$_}keys%p}p;p;p;p;p;map{$p
> {$_}=~/^[P.]/&& close$_}%p;wait until$?;map{/^r/&&<$_>}%p;$_=$d[$q];
> sleep rand(2)if/\S/;print
>
> not mine, but amusing
It's probably worrying if I can look at the above and think "That looks like
MJD's code".
--
King's Law of Clues : Common sense is inversely proportional to the
academic intelligence of the person concerned.
Re: Silly postings
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 01:45:40PM -0400, David H. Adler wrote: > Thanks for reinforcing the view that people outside of New York don't > know dirt about pizza... :-) I thought it was "people outside of Italy". My how times change. -- I see ADA as a larger threat than communism at this point in time -- Ted Holden
Re: sub BEGIN {}
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 02:54:25PM +0100, Martin Ling wrote: > Grr. I don't *want* to turn into an elitist wanker I seem to solve this by being one all along... -- VMS must die!
Re: Test
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:41:56AM +0100, Simon Wistow wrote: > There's also Mail::Cclient (by Malcolm Beattie) which can be tricky to > install and the interface is a bit unfriendly That's the fault of the underlying Cclient library. :( -- Sendmail may be safely run set-user-id to root. -- Eric Allman, "Sendmail Installation Guide"
Re: Mail archiving scripts?
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 10:50:34PM +0100, Neil Ford wrote:
> Following on from recent topics, can anyone point me at any scripts to help
> with breaking up mailbox files?
This is what I do:
Use Mail::Audit in a loop over the mailbox, doing something like this:
my ($y, $m) = (localtime)[5,4];
my $date = sprintf("%04d%02d", $y+1900, $m+1);
my %lists = (
regexp => "listname",
...
);
for my $what (keys %lists) {
my $where = $lists{$what};
if ($from =~ /$what/i or $to =~ /$what/i or $cc =~/$what/i) {
$item->accept($folder.$where."-$date");
return;
}
}
This means your mail gets filed to boxes like "london.pm-200104".
If you're using Mail::Audit for your incoming mail, this solution will
mean that new mail automatically gets filed to month-stamped mailboxes
as it comes in. When mutt scans your mailbox directory for new mail, it'll
pick up the new mailbox at the beginning of the month. Neat, eh? :)
--
} /* the next line is indented funny to preserve old indentation */
- plan9 has a bad day
Re: Test
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 09:19:15PM +0100, Matthew Byng-Maddick wrote: > Feature request - IMAP client. Mail::IMAPClient exists, so I guess it's a real possibility. When I get a spare second. (Yeah, right.) -- We *have* dirty minds. This is not news. - Kake Pugh
Re: Books
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:58:22PM -0500, Doug Sparling wrote: > >My experience suggests it may have something to do with being in the > >right place at the right time... :) > > Same goes for authoring -:) I'd dispute the use of the word "right" in that context. -- The Messiah will come. There will be a resurrection of the dead -- all the things that Jews believed in before they got so damn sophisticated. - Rabbi Meir Kahane
Re: Test
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 04:30:53PM +0100, Nicholas Clark wrote: > However, it's more all these *** job agencies sending me things > in multi-crap that I'm shifting home over a modem to read at home. > scp -C is good at making things smaller, but not as good as not having > crap in the first place. If you're using POP, I have a bunch of utilities for checking mail, selectively deleting mails and killing duplicates. Mail::POP3Client is your friend. If it's just an ordinary Unix mailbox, may I suggest Mail::Audit? -- "Darkly hinting of head hitting desk" -- Megahal (trained on asr), 1998-11-05
