Re: Maths Problem

2001-06-18 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 12:01:05AM +0100, Chris Benson wrote: Mmmm, so if there are 3 water lilies with circular leaves, what is the largest they can grow on the surface of a sphere without overlap? On a circle it's easy to see it's just less than the radius of the circle. Not so easy with a

Re: Government Websites

2001-06-18 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 11:41:57AM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Users will say: I don't have Flash and don't want to download it. Therefore, I should leave out the Flash bits of the site. Users will say: I read that JavaScript can expose security holes, so I'll turn it off. Therefore, I will make

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 04:36:00PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: First, are there any others that I should look at? Also I'd really like any objective input people have about templating with these modules. It is important to me to try and not just get the article done and dusted, but for once to

Re: Templating Solutions

2001-06-18 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Jun 18, 2001 at 06:30:24PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Simon Wilcox wrote: I avoided HTML::Embperl, HTML::Mason Apache::ASP because they all embed perl into the template which is a Bad Thing (tm). Why is that so evil? I'm willing to be enlightened here. Separation of code and data -

Re: Maths Problem

2001-06-17 Thread Roger Burton West
On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 06:52:04PM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: Ok, now how can you distribute N points around the origin in _3_ dimensions, again all of them at the same distance from the origin? Obviously there will be an imaginary sphere again, but where do you put the points. Best general

Re: *Buffy's Not Included

2001-06-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Jun 14, 2001 at 10:01:33AM +0100, Robert Thompson typed: CSV is an option - except that an awful lot of the data will need to be escaped out before it goes into the file, and I would rather only have to do when its rendered out to the browser. DBD::CSV is your friend. Sits on

Re: downloady filenames

2001-06-12 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 09:10:32AM +0100, Robin Szemeti typed: someone somewhere a few weeks ago posted something about an extra line you could put not dissimilar to 'Apparent-filename: something.xyz' .. its not so much a mime types thing but a browser thing .. Content-Disposition. R

Re: M$ SQueaLServer

2001-06-07 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Wed, Jun 06, 2001 at 04:58:11PM -0700, Paul Makepeace typed: At the end of the day, the simple fact is that Windows 2000 crashes more frequently than *n[ui]x does -- this surely is unquestioned fact. Bear in mind also this item from Monday's RISKS (21.44): Date: Tue, 29 May 2001

Re: Sony Clie (was: Re: Social meet)

2001-06-07 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Jun 07, 2001 at 11:40:20AM +0100, Robin Szemeti typed: I just dont get why they wont release specs .. surel;y the plan is to sell as many memory sticks as possible? ..or hav I missed someting? Yup. The plan is (a) not to get kicked out of bed by MS and (b) not to have cheap

Re: tape changes

2001-06-04 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Jun 04, 2001 at 08:04:46PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: is 15 quid a shot cheap [ ] normal [ ] expensive [ ] for lobbing a dat tape into a box and slinging in a new one? It's not Telehouse prices, but it sounds expensive to me. R

Re: crazy golf

2001-06-01 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 01:27:44PM +0100, Paul Mison typed: (Isn't there an extra bank holiday next year for Golden Jubilee shenanigans?) http://www.dti.gov.uk/er/bankhol.htm

Re: General Election

2001-06-01 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, Jun 01, 2001 at 02:39:03PM +0100, David Cantrell typed: Pah! Sing to the Motherland, home of the free, Bulwark of peoples in brotherhood strong. O Party of Lenin, the strength of the people, To Communism's triumph lead us on! Humbug! The people's flag is black as night From

Re: Windows Perl - how?

2001-05-31 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, May 31, 2001 at 12:37:22PM +0100, Mark Fowler typed: I seem to remember downloading an .exe last week (which I no longer have and no longer seems to be where it was on thier site.) Are they randomly switching between MSI and .exe and haven't bothered to upload the installer

Re: Windows Perl - how?

2001-05-31 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, May 31, 2001 at 01:07:31PM +0100, Greg McCarroll typed: yip i've seen this format as well, does anyone know what advantages it has? does it enforce any standards for the software? is it just a M$ ploy to control the standard install packages? I'll take option C for six million

Re: MIME stuff - Am I missing something?

2001-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 02:48:17PM +0100, Robert Thompson typed: Open up the file, read in the first few bytes and grab the magic number. Most types of binary file have a marker of some kind to designate what they are. Any half decent book on graphics programming should be able to tell

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 04:02:33PM +0100, Simon Wistow typed: According to the Register ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/19112.html the Tory's want to repeal IR35, make RIPA less strict and speed up Local Loop unbundling, whereas Labour want to introduce laws meaning that if

Re: Election Manifestos

2001-05-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, May 22, 2001 at 05:23:32PM +0100, Cross David - dcross typed: I've not actually seen the manifesto, but from what I'm told it really means If you can't be bothered to take a few minutes to look, why the hell are you posting about it? The actual text is: A future Conservative

Re: [OT] Cordelia (was Re: They are all vampires!)

2001-05-21 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, May 21, 2001 at 05:09:50PM +0100, Jonathan Peterson typed: Ah, an excellent typo consisting of one additional character, one omitted character, and a transposed pair. I shall put it in my collection. I should say by the look of it, this one was speed induced. Goes off to

Re: Some Northern Irish Fun and Games ...

2001-05-18 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, May 18, 2001 at 09:29:42AM +0100, Matthew Jones typed: As far as it being sensual, that is not a word you would attribute to country music. They obviously haven't been listening to The Archers recently. R

Re: pc components

2001-05-17 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, May 17, 2001 at 10:57:23AM +0100, Greg McCarroll typed: Does anyone have a recommendation for an online provider of PC components, i'm looking for a couple of big hard drives (50Gb+). I've had success with DABS - just make sure the thing's in stock before ordering. Roger

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:45:45AM +0100, Matthew Jones typed: I genuinely believe that the public are sick of watching the NHS, education system etc wasting away on a starvation diet and would be willing to pay a bit of extra tax to make sure that their kids can get schooled and that

Re: Politics (was RE: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:04:52AM +0100, Matthew Jones typed: When have they ever been asked? During elections. Like I say, in 1997, the UK voted in a party that was (I reckon) seen as the guardian of the public services, the party that is traditionally associated In 1997 the UK

More politics (was Re: BOFHs requiring license)

2001-05-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 10:37:23AM +0100, Cross David - dcross typed: Here's a pretty fundamental issue. Why do so many people seem to think that low taxes are good? Because many people think that they are better judges of how their own money should be spent than the government (of

Re: OT - Perl

2001-05-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 03:29:41AM -0500, will typed: Has anyone seen some perl around here? I thought I saw some earlier but it sems to have gone now :-) use Politics; use Quantum::Superpositions; (the rest I leave to your imagination)

Re: JAMES DUNCAN

2001-05-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 03:32:32PM +, Steve Mynott typed: Dominic Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you really work for ebookers.com, why are you sending from a hotmail address? It doesn't lend credence to your request to have somebody else unsubscribed from this list.

Re: JAMES DUNCAN

2001-05-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, May 14, 2001 at 05:54:26PM +0200, Niklas Nordebo typed: On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 04:50:53PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: It's crap, but... http://www.ecdl.com/ Isn't that more of a Microsoft Driving License? You expected something else from politicians (granted, not professional

Re: putting escape characters in files

2001-05-11 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, May 11, 2001 at 10:48:41AM +0100, Jonathan Peterson typed: You know, from the outside, Unix looks so well designed and clean and modern... From the outside, Windows looks as if it works. ObRant: computers and OSes in their current state are not consumer devices. They're not

Re: putting escape characters in files

2001-05-11 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, May 11, 2001 at 11:37:20AM +0100, Struan Donald typed: but then any reasonably flexible multi-purpose device is always going to have a hard time being a consumer device as by it's nature it's complex and trying to make complex things appear simple is very very hard. Yes.

Re: putting escape characters in files

2001-05-11 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, May 11, 2001 at 11:32:33AM +0100, Dave Hodgkinson typed: Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ObRant: computers and OSes in their current state are not consumer devices. They're not sufficiently reliable or intuitive. Bad marketing has made people think they need

Re: putting escape characters in files

2001-05-10 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, May 10, 2001 at 04:35:29PM +0100, Struan Donald typed: kind of off topic but how do you get things like ^M and such like into a file for, say, writing vi macros? ctrl-x 0 d but using it in a search/replace pattern is harder. Roger

Re: Buffy musings ...

2001-05-09 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, 09 May 2001, you wrote: I could get you one and deliver it to the Pederels Oak for probably a hundred quid including transport. Hmm. You just want us to get thrown out even more vehemently than last time, don't you? Roger

Re: More revolting natives

2001-05-07 Thread Roger Burton West
On Sun, May 06, 2001 at 08:49:56PM -0500, Mike Jarvis wrote: A cow-orker of mine had to be told that Spain was in Europe, not South America. Cue story about Spanish woman being turned away from the Hispanic channel at US Immigration. Roger

Re: Good Accountants

2001-04-27 Thread Roger Burton West
On Thu, Apr 26, 2001 at 10:33:36PM +0100, Robin Szemeti wrote: actually .. nutscrape under Linux annoys me when it insists on looking up a hostname no matter how hard you click on the stop button .. bad threading. Excellent reason to use a proxy. Junkbuster's good... Roger

Re: DBD::*-bind_param() ?

2001-04-27 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 01:46:16AM -0700, Paul Makepeace typed: Does anyone have any Real World experience with the speed-up (even hand-wavy vague anecdotes) of using bind values v. reparsing the SQL each time (for databases that support this obviously). Postgres and Oracle I'm

Re: Beginners Guide

2001-04-19 Thread Roger Burton West
On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:34:02AM +0100, Robert Shiels wrote: What I object to is paying twice, which is what would be happening if I paid a monthly subscription to see the digital BBC channels that nobody actually wants[1]. [1]troll Don't worry, I didn't get the job with them to work on the

Re: JOB: Anyone interested

2001-04-17 Thread Roger Burton West
On Tue, Mar 27, 2001 at 10:11:47AM -0500, Dave Cross wrote: Warning - MSB used to have the reputation of being the biggest bunch of cowboys in the recruitment industry. I wouldn't normally pass this on but thought it might be of interest to some of the ex-Torrington people. FYI this particular

Re: [HELP] Traceroute

2001-04-05 Thread Roger Burton West
On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 10:33:19AM -0400, Andy Williams wrote: Hi, Can any one tell me what this traceroute actually means... it has me completely confused (not that difficult actually!!) Yup. The machines on hops 11-24 aren't answering the traceroute packets, but are passing them on. Possibly

Re: Crazy Idea

2001-04-04 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 02:38:44AM +0100, Greg McCarroll wrote: any you have the ``right'' attitude when it comes to beer and explosives http://firedrake.org/roger/fireworks/ 'nuff said. R

Re:

2001-04-04 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 03:24:03PM +0200, Philip Newton wrote: Unfortunately, while the disclaimer came out fine, my mailer (MS Outlook) displayed the real "body" (with your message) as an attachment. That would be because it was sent uuencoded. I'm sure there's a reason for this, but I don't

Re: ISO8601 [was] Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-28 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, Mar 28, 2001 at 12:04:05PM -0800, Paul Makepeace wrote: Anyway, the whole 'numbers' thing is long over due to be replaced by those new fangled 'letters'. Works for DNS... Oh @deity, let's not do that. Consider the mess the WIPO's causing now, and then think about competition for "good"

Re: Job: I'm looking for one..

2001-03-26 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Mar 26, 2001 at 05:19:12PM +0100, Leo Lapworth wrote: Just to let you all know I'm on the market again. Me too. Looking for senior developer/senior unix admin (ideally a blend of the two), permanent, London, no Windows. CV on request. Roger

Re: Debian question ...

2001-03-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 01:43:28PM +, David Cantrell typed: is there an easy way of getting a list of all the packages which are currently installed? I dislike dselect intensely, and the docs for dpkg et al don't say anything useful. To make a local

Re: Debian question ...

2001-03-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Mar 22, 2001 at 02:48:48PM +, Marcel Grunauer typed: dpkg -l | grep '^ii' Will truncate long package names. Roger

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 11:40:18AM -0500, Dave Cross typed: I really think I should drop the author a polite note offering him a patch or three. s/entire_file/strftime/ ? Roger

Re: Pointless, Badly-Written Module.

2001-03-20 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 12:24:38PM -0500, Chris Devers typed: Would a CPAN replacement have to be "drop-in"? I can see the argument behind making replacements for MSA code be functionally identical in most visible ways, but when you're dealing with CPAN code, presumably, you're

Re: Dedrat 7.0 and PGP

2001-03-18 Thread Roger Burton West
On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 01:58:14AM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: the keyfile was an ascii armoured v6.5.8 keyfile, 1024 bit RSA that I got with pgp -kxa .. GPG said 'unrecognised key format' since one of the things I need is for users to be able to export their public keys from PGP then being

Re: Dedrat 7.0 and PGP

2001-03-17 Thread Roger Burton West
On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 02:01:11PM +, Robin Szemeti wrote: I haven't considered the GPG option yet .. its going to be for a user thing .. and PGP is more common .. I am right in thinking that GPG and PGP are basically different and not interchangeable aren't I ? No. Itried importing PGP

Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12

2001-03-15 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 10:06:16PM +, Dominic Mitchell typed: On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:19:54PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream For the unenlightened, please consult the standards document:

Re: Version control

2001-03-15 Thread Roger Burton West
On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:45:34PM -, Jim Gillespie wrote: My main beef with CVS (and ClearCase) is that there doesn't seem to be any way to access the release string programatically - I can tag all my source as "FOO_R1-0" or whatever, but I can't tell from within the source that it has been

Re: Matt's Scripts

2001-03-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 02:34:32PM +, Jon Eyre typed: is there an idiot-proof graphical front-end for scp? windows clients? PuTTY. my several users require them, or they'll just continue using ftp, because it's *easier*... People are lazy, and security measures which are a pain

Re: Matt's Scripts

2001-03-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 04:00:22PM +, Greg McCarroll typed: * Dave Cross ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: They won't if you stop running the ftp daemon on the server :) Rule one of security: Ensure availability for authorised users Rule zero of security: A system with no

Re: London.pm List Weekly Summary 2001-03-12

2001-03-14 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 09:39:12PM +, Greg McCarroll wrote: * David Cantrell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Mar 14, 2001 at 06:19:54PM +, Michael Stevens wrote: Content-type: matter-transport/beer-stream Isn't that what happens in the bogs of Penderels Oak? Is it just me who has

Re: MSA rewrite project

2001-03-13 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Mar 13, 2001 at 05:34:03PM +0100, Philip Newton typed: Generally, @INC contains '.', so it should work (though remember that Net::SMTP has to go into ./Net/SMTP.pm and not ./SMTP.pm or ./Net::SMTP.pm). Otherwise, use lib '.' should be your friend. I believe IIS does horribly

Talking about xs...

2001-03-12 Thread Roger Burton West
This strikes me as something that needs a perl module... anyone feeling particularly bored and like playing with XS? ]librsync (http://freshmeat.net/projects/librsync/) ] by Martin Pool (http://freshmeat.net/users/bootswork/) ] ]librsync makes the network-delta functions of the popular rsync

Re: Talking about xs...

2001-03-12 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 10:31:09AM +, Leon Brocard typed: Roger Burton West sent the following bits through the ether: ]librsync (http://freshmeat.net/projects/librsync/) I was *sure* something like this was already on CPAN[1]. H. I still don't really see what advantages having

Re: Heretics' meeting

2001-02-28 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 03:16:17PM +, Struan Donald typed: to be more helpful see above[1]. [1]: wondering how to make mutt do things in the right order when replying to multiple posts. Tag the posts you want, then reverse the sort order (shift-o whatsit). Roger

Re: Heretics' meeting

2001-02-28 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Wed, Feb 28, 2001 at 05:44:31PM +, Greg McCarroll typed: someone simplified this to ... meetings are held on the day after the first wednesday of the month Guilty. What can I say, it was my first meeting. Roger

Re: Overheard on IRC

2001-02-27 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 10:46:18AM +, Simon Wistow typed: yet another t-shirt idea methinks any(@londonpm) R

Re: geek cricket

2001-02-27 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Feb 27, 2001 at 12:29:19PM +, Amias Channer typed: Each company would have a team (or combine to make teams) and play 40 over matches on sunday afternoons in some sort of league . Does this appeal to anyone ? gambling is optional . You mean... actual physical exertion?

Re: DMP

2001-02-20 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 11:26:02AM -, dcross - David Cross typed: Nah. That's what it's said for the last two weeks. They haven't got round changing it to '24 hours' yet. Mine's "1 on hand", but there are other things in that order. R

Re: Penderel Configuration

2001-02-15 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 03:26:27PM -, Robert Shiels typed: I'd like to know which perl modules are already installed. http://www.perlfaq.com/faqs/id/205 Roger

Re: Technical Meeting 22nd Feb

2001-02-13 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, Feb 12, 2001 at 04:50:40PM +, Matthew Robinson typed: Here you go, directions to Torrington. The address is: Torrington Interactive 2 Printing House Yard London E2 7PR http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=533478Y=182733A=YZ=1 Printing House Yard is on the

Re: irc problems

2001-02-01 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:31:16AM +, Michael Stevens typed: On Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 11:28:37AM +, Neil Ford wrote: I can't get onto any of rhizomatic.net. Is anyone else having problems? Michael we're all there fine in actuall fact as I type this you've just appeared :-)

Re: Amazon Sales Rank

2001-02-01 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Feb 01, 2001 at 01:39:08PM +, Michael Stevens typed: Now if they'd just actually send me the copy I ordered... (I think they said 3-5 weeks) Ditto. It's one of the 9 things remaining before they ship my latest order. Roger

Re: London.pm nearly have a new server (fwd)

2001-01-30 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Jan 30, 2001 at 02:11:41PM +0100, Philip Newton typed: Granitecanyon? The boxes that are chronically down? Which resulted in me getting mail from the domain registry telling me to get a working nameserver up with thein week or they might yank the domain? Where noone seems to

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 11:07:02AM +, Michael Stevens typed: I imagine you could get a pc service contract on the same level as Sun do, but I have no experience in the area. Has anyone got any experience paying vast amounts of money for PC support? did you get much for your money?

Re: Sun's Perl was Re: Application servers and e-commerce platforms

2001-01-26 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, Jan 26, 2001 at 12:08:22PM -, Jonathan Peterson typed: And then people wonder why I like open source... Even within OS software there's good support and bad support. There's plenty of OS software that _doesn't_ have helpful user groups, and has very poor documentation and

Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:31:28PM +, Michael Stevens typed: I propose we drag these people and drop them in those big rubbish bins you see outside offices. DD is vaguely useful sometimes. Just not when I'm editing text. Anyone played much with PowerArchiver? Freeware WinZip

Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 12:43:46PM +, Michael Stevens typed: We need to just get on with using linux, and other sensible stuff, and IF PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS then we can tell them about it. But we shouldn't try to promote it as what they want, because invariably they start going

Re: odd -w effect

2001-01-24 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Wed, Jan 24, 2001 at 02:15:34PM +, Michael Stevens typed: What box I want depends on the local environment - windows boxes can be easier to run on windows networks, and linux boxes on more unixy or open networks. I just find Windows too bloody frustrating whenever I want to do

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-23 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 12:33:44PM +, Robin Szemeti typed: there is a whole class of clients so clueless (' I just want one of those dot-com things') that you probably need another level of handholding ... they discuss the artistic and 'feelgood' bits of the project in as precise

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-23 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 01:09:40PM +, Robin Houston typed: Did you mean http://www.webreview.com/archives/broken/2000/04_07_00.shtml ? Yes. Been a while since I looked at that one. R

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-23 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Jan 23, 2001 at 03:19:04PM +, Robin Szemeti typed: After our meeting yesterday and some careful consideration by the management team it turns out you are just too damn dumb. We have worked with chewing gum brighter than you. We regret to inform you that our shipments of

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 11:08:29PM +, Piers Cawley typed: And if the Big Cheese does hand down decisions that override the Minion then the contract between developer and client should stipulate that the client pays for the wasted time. Contracts _should_ say that the client pays

Re: Consultancy company- Where do you want to go?

2001-01-22 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, Jan 22, 2001 at 10:44:11AM +, Neil Ford typed: That just has me conjering up images of turning up at a client site in a big black van (screeching tyres obligatory) and either leaping out laptops in hand or just unrollong some CAT5 and plugging into their network :-)

Re: ArsDigita working practices (was: Big Macs v The Naked Chef -- )

2001-01-21 Thread Roger Burton West
On Sun, Jan 21, 2001 at 08:37:02PM +, Kieran Barry wrote: Yup. There isn't enough talent around, so people get promoted beyond their competence. If you train your people they'll only leave. The only way out of that cycle is to train in-house, and treat people so well that they stay. Which

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-20 Thread Roger Burton West
On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 09:12:25AM +, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: Roger Burton West [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The customers _must_ be kept isolated from the developers. That's exactly wrong. And the XP book explains why far better than I ever could. It may be possible to make it work. I've seen

Re: Consultancy company

2001-01-20 Thread Roger Burton West
On Sat, Jan 20, 2001 at 10:28:13AM +, Piers Cawley wrote: One customer. On site. Full time. Absolute honesty. Nice idea if you have customers who can take the truth, and who know when to shut up and let people get on with things. I'd like to see it working, but I haven't yet. R

Re: thoth

2001-01-19 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 01:35:32AM -0500, Mark Rogaski typed: That would be c.l.p.m ... unless of course you aren't referring to Tom. You weren't at the technical meeting last night, were you? This thoth is a network monitoring system. R

Re: Holy War

2001-01-19 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, Jan 19, 2001 at 10:39:47AM -0500, Dave Cross typed: It'll be purely for home use, so: I'd use Debian 'cos I like it. Downside: latest versions of stuff aren't usually available as packages. Upside: doesn't mess you about the way the Windowsy distributions (RH, SuSE) do. R

Re: Red Hat worm discovered

2001-01-18 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:37:27AM +, Steve Mynott typed: RH/Slackware/Debian/Solaris/FreeBSD/NetBSD/OpenBSD are all fine systems but they need to be setup by someone who knows what they are doing in the same way that Perl has to be written by clueful programmers. And competent *ix

Re: Compiling mod_perl on Debian

2001-01-18 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 10:28:13AM -0800, Paul Makepeace typed: apt-get install libapache-mod-perl gets you the dynamic version -- is there a particular advantage to having it statically built? Want mod_perl and mod_ssl? Debian stable doesn't do this easily without recompilation. R

thoth

2001-01-18 Thread Roger Burton West
For the benefit of those who want to know more about thoth, the network monitoring system I mentioned just now: ftp://firedrake.org/thoth/ http://firedrake.org/thoth/ (there's even some documentation!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subject subscribe to join the development mailing list, current

The crack is very good today

2001-01-17 Thread Roger Burton West
Given an array full of data which need to be output as a CSV... return join(',',map{defined$_?s/"/''/g+1?/,/?"\"$_\"":$_:0:''}@{$ar})."\n"; Roger

Re: Feelers for London Open Source Convention

2001-01-17 Thread Roger Burton West
On Wed, Jan 17, 2001 at 08:34:21PM +, Tony Bowden wrote: If you present the chart in a different format to how they did then there's nothing they can do... Take a look at http://www.bath.ac.uk/~bssnrw/getchart.html for a differing viewpoint. Roger

Re: Teaching Java and Perl

2001-01-08 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Mon, Jan 08, 2001 at 09:02:20AM -0500, Mark Rogaski typed: An entity claiming to be Roger Burton West ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: : So really it's Pascal all over again - if you only teach them one : language, it's what they'll always use. If you teach them two, : they may just

Re: one liner

2001-01-07 Thread Roger Burton West
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 11:40:32AM -0700, Nathan Torkington wrote: Dean S Wilson writes: Learning Perl/TK should be used as an off-line reference if its used at all. Learning Perl/Tk isn't really *meant* to be a reference. Like the other Learning books, it's supposed to be an introduction to

Re: Teaching Java and Perl

2001-01-07 Thread Roger Burton West
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 09:10:05PM +, Shevek wrote: Having taught both, I can say that I would far rather teach undergraduates Java for many reasons. In fact, they'd probably be better learning something even more restrictive and more trivial. That doesn't make it good. So really it's

Re: Technical Meeting

2001-01-05 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 12:07:01AM +, alex typed: [better instructions soon, but it takes up most of rhoda street, bethnal green, nearest tubes are old street, shoreditch, liverpool street and bethnal green, or closest of all, bus route number 8] Oh dear oh dear oh dear... that's

Re: FOOD

2001-01-04 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 11:25:42AM +, David Hodgkinson typed: OK, Now I'm REALLY hungry. I'll be at the New World at one O'Clock. Are you going to set your machine's clock to the right time first? Roger

Re: FOOD

2001-01-04 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 02:54:23PM -, Matthew Freake typed: ...and thinking about it, didn't the Wendy's on Shaftesbury Avenue used to be a Taco Bell as well ? I don't think so; there was one on the other side of Haymarket, though, towards Leicester Square. R

Re: blibble

2001-01-04 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 12:01:49AM +, Michael Stevens typed: You know you're drunk when, faced with the problem of getting through an underground ticket gate, you get out your house keys and start fiddling with them looking for the right one. Or when, faced with the problem of

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 04:44:20PM +, Mark Fowler typed: 4. Mission Impossible. Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if you can have your brain rewired so that you don't remember it. R

Re: Fwd: SPUG: ActivePerl 623

2001-01-02 Thread Roger Burton West
On or about Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 05:06:15PM +, Mark Fowler typed: 4. Mission Impossible. Only if you don't know or didn't like the original - or if you can have your brain rewired so that you don't remember it. I think you're missing the point. M.I. is crap. Don't even get me started on

Re: Perl Geek Code

2001-01-02 Thread Roger Burton West
On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 07:45:56PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote: Michael Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, Jan 02, 2001 at 06:28:29PM +, David Hodgkinson wrote: We're meeting on Thursday, right? If we aren't I'm going to be getting pretty lonely drinking on my own... I'll join