RE: Dream weaver
You're right I think it probably would make a good topic to TPC5. Just need the time to write it. The patch has not yet made it into the main wvWare distribution although some of mine have. wvWare itself is extremely stable and I have not found any problems with wvWare. I am currently looking at other languages French / Portuguese etc. wvWare has got much better over the last few months and many of the issues that I had with have now gone away. But in the tidy ups of the core some of my patches will need re-implementing. But I am looking at this at the moment. So when (if?) we get a stable base and my patched work then I'll submit them. SAM > -Original Message- > From: Leon Brocard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2001 2:18 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Dream weaver > > > Matthews Simon sent the following bits through the ether: > > > Our solution to this has been to write some perl > > code to convert Word documents (marketers tool of choice) into > > Template::Toolkit templates that we use internally. > > IIRC, you had patched wvware to output XML. Has this patch made it > into the main wvware distribution, and if not why not? ;-) Have you > found wvware stable enough to do this properly everytime, or do you > force your users to use standard templates? > > Leon > > ps would make a good talk for tpc ;-) > -- > Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ > yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ > > ... Join the Group Mind - become a Borg >
Re: Dream weaver
> > DREAMWEAVER 3.0- Training Dates Now Available!
> > ==
> > With Dreamweaver being adopted by up to 90% of development companies
> > worldwide, Focus Group are now providing cost effective, scheduled and
> > company specific Dreamweaver training, offering Developers the
> > opportunity to gain extensive skills in just 2 days.
What's a 'development company' when it's at home? Also, note that
Developers is being used as a proper noun here (as in, what Focus group
consider a Developer to be)
Later.
Mark.
(Who works in marketing and remembers the phrase about not trying to
bullshit a bullshiter)
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print "\n",map{my$a="\n"if(length$_>6);' 'x(36-length($_)/2)."$_\n$a"} (
Name => 'Mark Fowler',Title => 'Technology Developer' ,
Firm => 'Profero Ltd',Web => 'http://www.profero.com/' ,
Email => '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', Phone => '+44 (0) 20 7700 9960' )
Re: Dream weaver
* at 25/01 15:56 - Robert Shiels said: > Subject: RE: Dream weaver > > Just got sent this: > > DREAMWEAVER 3.0- Training Dates Now Available! > == > With Dreamweaver being adopted by up to 90% of development companies > worldwide, Focus Group are now providing cost effective, scheduled and > company specific Dreamweaver training, offering Developers the > opportunity to gain extensive skills in just 2 days. up to 90%? struan
Re: Dream weaver
Subject: RE: Dream weaver Just got sent this: DREAMWEAVER 3.0- Training Dates Now Available! == With Dreamweaver being adopted by up to 90% of development companies worldwide, Focus Group are now providing cost effective, scheduled and company specific Dreamweaver training, offering Developers the opportunity to gain extensive skills in just 2 days. /Robert
RE: Dream weaver
Title: RE: Dream weaver >> >>> >>I would actually be interested to hear from someone on the >>> >>Dreamweaver side of this argument... >>> >> >>> >>Anyone? >>> >> >>> >>Michael >>> >>> I'd love to but the last time I spoke about Dreamweaver with Dave >>> Cross around it turned into a LOOONG lunchtime. >> >>How about if I promise to shut up? >> >>Dave... >>[who will just snigger quietly in the corner] >> >>p.s. Mark, have you seen the new article on perl.com yet? Ring any >>bells? >> TT2? Never used it and don't know anyone who has :-) Further to Dreamweaver, I'd almost like to go against what I've said to others and say that actually templates in Dreamwaver are a complete pain as they restrict things which you haven't set as template regions such as table width and can be tricky for experienced used nevermind, er, gumbies (apologies to any gumbies reading). Where Dreamweaver succeeds is the ability to create HTML objects such as a menubar which you then drop into each page you wish to use the menubar on. I really haven't convinced anyone have I? :-) Mark.
Re: Dream weaver
Matthews Simon sent the following bits through the ether: > Our solution to this has been to write some perl > code to convert Word documents (marketers tool of choice) into > Template::Toolkit templates that we use internally. IIRC, you had patched wvware to output XML. Has this patch made it into the main wvware distribution, and if not why not? ;-) Have you found wvware stable enough to do this properly everytime, or do you force your users to use standard templates? Leon ps would make a good talk for tpc ;-) -- Leon Brocard.http://www.astray.com/ yapc::Europehttp://yapc.org/Europe/ ... Join the Group Mind - become a Borg
RE: Dream weaver
At Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:43:47 -, Mark Kitching <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>I would actually be interested to hear from someone on the > >>Dreamweaver side of this argument... > >> > >>Anyone? > >> > >>Michael > > I'd love to but the last time I spoke about Dreamweaver with Dave > Cross around it turned into a LOOONG lunchtime. How about if I promise to shut up? Dave... [who will just snigger quietly in the corner] p.s. Mark, have you seen the new article on perl.com yet? Ring any bells?
Re: Dream weaver
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:43:47PM -, Mark Kitching wrote: > >>I would actually be interested to hear from someone on the > >>Dreamweaver side of this argument... > >>Anyone? > >>Michael > I'd love to but the last time I spoke about Dreamweaver with Dave Cross > around > it turned into a LOOONG lunchtime. I'm not seeing the flaw yet... Michael
RE: Dream weaver
Title: RE: Dream weaver >>I would actually be interested to hear from someone on the >>Dreamweaver side of this argument... >> >>Anyone? >> >>Michael I'd love to but the last time I spoke about Dreamweaver with Dave Cross around it turned into a LOOONG lunchtime. Mark.
Re: Dream weaver
At Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:37:24 +, Michael Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would actually be interested to hear from someone on the > Dreamweaver side of this argument... > > Anyone? Wouldn't it go along the lines of: "ooh! pretty!" Dave...
Re: Dream weaver
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 01:32:46PM -, Matthews Simon wrote: > As someone who's been using templates and perl to do web sites since January > 96 I can see both sides of the argument. We (perl people) are all much > happier with the idea of building pages from bits it appeals to our > laziness. There are however end users to consider. Much as I have tried I > cannot get the marketing droids to use vim and templates. They seem to have > a real problem with this. Our solution to this has been to write some perl > code to convert Word documents (marketers tool of choice) into > Template::Toolkit templates that we use internally. This makes us all happy > :-) I would actually be interested to hear from someone on the Dreamweaver side of this argument... Anyone? Michael
RE: Dream weaver
As someone who's been using templates and perl to do web sites since January 96 I can see both sides of the argument. We (perl people) are all much happier with the idea of building pages from bits it appeals to our laziness. There are however end users to consider. Much as I have tried I cannot get the marketing droids to use vim and templates. They seem to have a real problem with this. Our solution to this has been to write some perl code to convert Word documents (marketers tool of choice) into Template::Toolkit templates that we use internally. This makes us all happy :-) SAM
Re: Dream weaver
On Thu, Jan 25, 2001 at 11:09:15AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Pretty much !
>
> Having started the web site project here without much knowledge of developing
> websites (having mostly been doing corporate network support before that) I
> allowed the designer to choose the tools. I chose apache/mod_perl for the
> backend because I wanted to learn more about perl & apache. Perhaps not the best
> rationale but hey, it's my project :-)
>
> We now have a site with lots of html files full of dreamweaver tags which are
> very easy to mess up with a text editor so we tend to stick to DW and keep the
> hand editing to a minimum.
>
> Having learned LOTS in the last year, we are planning to rebuild the site to
> separate the templates from the content because content management is becoming a
> pain. Naturally we will be doing this with perl.
>
> So - Dreamweaver is a good gui editor but it generates files which are difficult
> to maintain. It is good for those who are not technically minded but probably
> not the best choice if you have technical skills available.
> We will ditch DW in the new version of the site.
I think there's a lot of potential for manipulating dreamweaver's markup
and file structures from perl. I've been able to write CGI scripts
that do stuff like.
print STDOUT get_library_component('componentname');
and fetch and include stuff from dreamweaver at the appropriate place.
I think there's a lot of potential in this sort of approach but I've not
heard of anyone exploiting it.
Michael
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Re: Dream weaver
Roger Horne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Wed 24 Jan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Dreamweaver (I know, don't ask) > >But I must ! You are only the second person I have heard of who has used >it... > [snip] >Am I right in thinking that what CS said made as much sense as "We don't >need a case of claret because we have a pound of brussels sprouts"? > Pretty much ! Having started the web site project here without much knowledge of developing websites (having mostly been doing corporate network support before that) I allowed the designer to choose the tools. I chose apache/mod_perl for the backend because I wanted to learn more about perl & apache. Perhaps not the best rationale but hey, it's my project :-) We now have a site with lots of html files full of dreamweaver tags which are very easy to mess up with a text editor so we tend to stick to DW and keep the hand editing to a minimum. Having learned LOTS in the last year, we are planning to rebuild the site to separate the templates from the content because content management is becoming a pain. Naturally we will be doing this with perl. So - Dreamweaver is a good gui editor but it generates files which are difficult to maintain. It is good for those who are not technically minded but probably not the best choice if you have technical skills available. We will ditch DW in the new version of the site. Simon. __ This document should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Accordingly, our company disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences for any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. If you have received this E-mail message in error, please notify us immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this E-mail message is strictly prohibited.
Re: Dream weaver
On Wed 24 Jan, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Dreamweaver (I know, don't ask) But I must ! You are only the second person I have heard of who has used it... In November I was asked by a Judge to convert a court guide written in Word into HTML. Only real problem was the index which was good, but indexed pages, not paragraphs. I solved this with a bit of creative editing of the Word file, a script, and MakeIndex. A colleague and I then checked each page on every available OS and browser and it was then sent off by the Judge to Court Service to be put on their site, assuming it would appear there within a couple of days. It turned out that Court Service requires that every page on its site should be topped and tailed with a template which ensures that the page is in the default colours of white text on a sludge blue background. Hardly difficult to achieve, although hideous[1]. Even without using TT, and as an amateur, it took me less than half an hour to extract the templates from another file on the site and to write a script that topped and tailed all 37 files in about 20 seconds. (OK, my version probably needed a bit of tidying up by hand.) But when I asked those in charge of the Court Service site why they could not do the same I was told "We don't have Perl and we don't need it, we use Dreamweaver. It will take us 5 days to do the work". The files appeared on the CS site 6 weeks later. Am I right in thinking that what CS said made as much sense as "We don't need a case of claret because we have a pound of brussels sprouts"? rh [1] http://www.courtservice.gov.uk -- Roger Horne 11 New Square, Lincoln's Inn, London WC2A 3QB mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.hrothgar.co.uk/
